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3rr
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution.

I have place a RfC on the talk page. Please feel free to join in there. The international community considers it part of Israel. If you feel it is part of Syria, the notation should be made next to the Syrian flag and it should be supported with reliable 3rd party sources.--Nsaum75 (talk) 07:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Reference
To answer your question: --BoogaLouie (talk) 20:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

for a link to the internet:

Article editing
Legitimately mentioning of Israel in an article about food (or anything else), is not domination of an article; There are Arab Israelis, Christian Israelis, Jewish Israelis and many others.

The world is full of many different kinds of people, its call the "spice of life". Some people choose not to recognize Israel as a modern, existant country, and therefore refer to the land "Occupied Palestine", and they have every right to hold that as their own personal beliefs; However when they move beyond their personal beliefs and choose to deny Israel and its culture by systematically removing any references to it from articles, they are committing censorship, repressing facts, and trying to mislead others by presenting only information that they deem others should have knowledge of.

When people think and act this way, they ensure that there will never be peace in the middle east. True, Israeli society has adopted many foods that are very popular in the Arab world; but this no different than Arabs adopting Hummus (which is of ancient egyptian origin) or pita (which many sources attribute to the ancient Israelites matzo).

Furthermore, many modern-day Israeli Jews come from families who have lived along side of Arabs for centuries -- they didn't move here from somewhere else -- this is their homeland; and religion aside, they have shared in the development of music, art, language and yes, even cuisine. You deny them their history and contributions when you deny their modern nationality.

Lastly, wikipedia is based upon uncensored, reliably documented information; it is not based on only presenting information you personally agree with, nor is it based upon presenting information intended to promote a specific agenda.

One person's truth may be the other person's fiction. We should present all the information available, so the reader can make a informed decision for themselves. --Nsaum75 (talk) 08:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In response to your message left here: It is improper to remove properly sourced information from an article because your personal beliefs disagree with it. Doing so is injecting POV into the articles. --Nsaum75 (talk) 09:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

what properly sourced information have I removed? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009
Point-of-view edits such as this, this and this, and comments such as this are unacceptable. If you continue behaving in this fashion, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   13:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Settle down
Please understand that this is an encyclopedia. Statements must be supported by verifiable sources, opinion is not enough. Edits that are aggressive, highly political attacks on particular ethnic and national groups are not welcome here. And please try to read up on a topic before you edit. Your assertion that is is somehow illegitimate for a nation to adopt a foodstuff Za'atar is absurd. And your assertion that the Druze are not Arabs because they are not genetically Arab is not merely ridiculous, it is borderiline racism.Historicist (talk) 03:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Historicist (talk) 11:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Therese a difference between adoption and taking over. Here in Sweden people eat kebab and Pizza every day, yet you don't see us taking over the kebab and pizza articles adding, Swedish sections that are bigger then the turkish and italian ones, adding "wikiproject Sweden" to kebab and pizza and saying its "swedish cuisine", adding Swedish translation at the top, adding images of swedish kebab and pizza etc.

I provided documented and verifiable source that Israeli druze are not Arabs.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Omar Sharif
I've started a discussion on Talk:Omar Sharif that can hopefully resolve the dispute between you and 98.194.124.102. I invite you to contribute and avoid editing the article while you are resolving your differences. Sancho 19:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, please use bullets * or ** etc. to keep your contributions in the discussion indented properly. See Indentation. Sancho 20:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

POV Terms
Additions such as this, even when its properly sourced, must conform to wikipedia standards regarding encyclopedia format and Non POV word choice. Using terms such as "stubborn" or replacing the name of the country of Israel with "zionist" or "zionist entity" are POV and therefore not acceptable. I ask that you re-write this section, removing weasal and trigger words, and make it more NPOV. Thanks!! --Nsaum75 (talk) 20:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

IP You think is sockpuppeting
You may want to report that to an admin for further investigation. Cheers, Abce2 |  Access  Denied  17:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Did it once, admin didn't care. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Please do not start edit wars
I must admit, your statements on your own userpage don't help much in considering your edits to Israeli-related articles genuine attempts to improve the articles. The fact that you are willing to open edit wars for these edits don't help either. This is not the place to advocate for political agenda concerning the Golan Heights or any other politically debated issue. DrorK (talk) 16:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Current_Article_Issues
Just to let you know that I've mentioned you in the above thread. The main discussion should be at the thread you started inTalk:Israel, but I've posted to the IPCOLL board so that people who are supposedly interested in impartial coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute are made aware of this going on.

BTW, I did once compose a long post for this page in which I was suggesting that you read various policies such as WP:AGF, WP:NPOV, WP:Consensus etc. which are likely to be quoted at you and also pointing out that admins etc. are more likely to be sympathetic to editors who contribute to non-controversial articles and not just the ones where there are big edit wars. I notice that you are in any case doing that with Circassians etc. But it's always worth joining projects on other topics. Given that you voted for the pirate party, I assume that there are some music or films that you might be keen enough to write about.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppet allegation
I now know it's not you as Checkuser cleared you. I do still think that those are single purpose sockpuppets, but I'm now short of ideas on who may be responsible. It's unfortunate that they were borrowing your phrasing to make it seem like you. Also one of them had a foody user name which is unfortunately reminiscent of your id too. Sorry for the false accusation.

On the other matter, our friend Drork has been blocked for 12 hourse for violating WP:3RR by reinstating the picture of Mount Hermon four times.--Peter cohen (talk) 21:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well that IP address is in the UK and you are in Sweden. Although people can use different computers at home and at work and be able to fool some methods of identity matching by operating different accoutns form those places, the UK and Sweden are too far apart for that trick to work.--Peter cohen (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

golan
You realize you are not helping anything with some of the language you are using on that page right? It would be better if you toned down your attitude on that page. Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 20:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand, but just insulting others and talking down to people wont help. We need to stop encouraging the nationalism that causes people to dispute basic facts and the way we do that is to tone down our own nationalism. Nableezy (talk) 21:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

My neutrality
I wanted to discuss in a little bit more depth my closure of the Golan Heights RfC and your questioning of my neutrality. I have no problem with you questioning my motives given the userboxes I have on my user page. That's the point of the userboxes, actually, so that people can know where I'm coming from and evaluate any perceived bias. First off, the fact that I'm Jewish is unrelated to this topic. Many Jews neither know nor care about Israel, and some are even anti-Israel. While I understand the argument that the fact that I support the existence of Israel impugns my judgment, I don't believe that it precluded me from acting fairly in regards to this topic. The fact that I support the existence of the state of Israel (as do the vast majority of the Western World) does not itself speak anything about my opinion of the Golan, nor about my ability to fairly read opinions and generate a compromise based on consensus. There are many Israelis who support the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza and the return of the Golan to Syrian control. My personal beliefs on these matters are irrelevant so long as I can act in a way that is fair and neutral. What I would therefore ask you is this: when you read my closing, before you read my name and checked my user page, did you believe it to be unfair or biased towards Israel? If so, which parts of it are unfair and how could they be more fair?

Additionally, for future reference, it is considered courteous to discuss matters on users' talk pages before opening up a talk section about them. If you're not going to do that it's strongly recommended that you let a user know on their talk page after you open the section. Oren0 (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact is that you sided against 99% of the world that calls it Syrian territory occupied by Israel. So I believe that I was right. You shouldn't have been 3rd view. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a conspiracy against me
Someone is registering new accounts, posting messages at talk pages I am involved in and editing articles I have edited, These accounts are using some of the same language as me, they are trying to make it look like I have created several account. Someone is trying to get me banned from wikipedia.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tastytreasures <<<====== Notice this name compared to mine.

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dalwadi6

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Masasuijen

4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hamas4life

5. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wolof359 <<<=====This guy showed up when I was blocked for 24 hours, doing the exact same edits as I have just been involved in and using the exact same language.

--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I see
Huh. Something maybe wrong here. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any experiances with sockpuppeters? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:13, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Abce2, PLEASE HELP ME!! I can not respond to the guy now because I am blocked, he is trying to make it look like its me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wolof359 --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to get him to talk to me. Oh, and I replaced the word conspiracy with thing so others do not get bad ideas. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Conspiracy is right, this has happened several times and is organized against me, please contact an administrator and tell them to read what I have written here. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:18, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait a sec. Add some of those IP rantings that were on your user page, they really different in IP number, so they would have to be from different places. How many different IPs are there? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:20, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * IP rantings? What do you mean, I can only see there user names not IP numbers. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

From the history of your User page. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about IP ratings om my user page? can you link to something so I understand what you mean ?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

[] Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh you mean these two: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/80.41.35.188 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.109.84.9 No, I don't belive they are a part of this, they never pretended to be me, make it look like I have created several accounts, those two are normal vandalisers, not a part of this conspiracy against me, I think. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Which admin do you want me to contact, or is there something else? Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Abce2, please any administrator would be fine and please make a post at the Golan talkpage, tell them to read what I have written here and that I am not this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Wolof359 That he is trying to make it look like I have created a new account and frame me. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Here, I have an idea. Write something here and I will put it on the Admin's notice board(so any and all admins can see it) when it is ready. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Copy everything I have written in: "There is a conspiracy against me" section.- thank you I appreciate your help. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. I have placed it and you can watch it on the page. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:41, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

This may take awhile, or it could zoom by. Only time will tell. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  21:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's taking a long time. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  22:12, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Its alright, I have said what I had to say, could you please copy the same "conspiracy" section to my user page? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  22:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

ANI
You may want to go over there when the block is over. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!  15:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

ArbCom
You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Requests for arbitration and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
 * Requests for arbitration;
 * Arbitration guide.

Thanks,

--Nsaum75 (talk) 08:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm about to add you formally as a party as you have been mentioned by name (well user name, at least).--Peter cohen (talk) 20:35, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah we cross-posted. No Arbcom is about trying to stop user disputes getting out of control and taking policing actions when things are out of control and when passing admins can't deal with things. They are in a way the highest court in Wikipedia but they don't decide content disputes - in this case what language to use, whether the Golan Heights are part of Syria, Israel, both or neither etc. Instead, I'm hoping that they will say to us collectively, that we should stop having piecemeal discussions all over the place but instead should organise a wider discussion (bearing in mind the editing policies and guidelines) and produce an editorial policy on how places like the Golan Heights should be described. Arbcom can't and won't dictate what that policy is but they can demand that we work to develop one. Arbcom might come up with a different idea on how to deal with this. As this is just a request, they may say that things haven't bubbled up enough for them to get involved yet. If they accept this, they also have the right to rebuke editors, topic ban them, ban them from Wikipedia altogether etc. The last related dispute (about using terms such as "Judea and Samaria" etc) did end with 8 topic bans, my hope is that I've started this early enough that they will not see the need to take any measures against individual editors. So, in answer to your question, what you should say is whether you feel that my suggestion that Arbcom get involved at this stage is appropriate or whether you think that how we're doing things at the moment deciding things an article at a tiem etc is fine.


 * Read the links that Nsaum75 gave above and maybe look at some recent Arbcom cases and then post your view on the appropriateness of Arbcom getting involved, keepign in mind the word limit that the guide gives for statements at request time. I've had very little experience of Arbcom myself. SO if you want more advice after reading the documents, I woudl suggest contacting oen of the clerks listed at the Arbcom pages.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:52, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Given that you've been mentioned, I think it is inappropriate to remove you as a party. You're still a very new user. Also you've only been edit blocked once and hadn't at all at the time this request started. Most of those topic banned in Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria had been blocked several times. [] suggests that the clerks have a responsibility for helping people put there case over. One of them posted to my page about this case asking me to add aprties. I'll contact them and say that you're having trouble in understanding what to do and hopefully they or another clerk will contact you here.--Peter cohen (talk) 21:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is the reply I got . So feel free to ask them.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:25, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan
Supreme Deliciousness, please add references to her Syrian songs or why she would be considered a Syrian singer so that Music of Syria would be considered a fact in the template. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But she was a Syrian women from Syria that sang songs, so of course she was a Syrian singer.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:34, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Please reply here so I don't go back and forth. I'm not contesting that she's Syrian, however in the infobox it say in Genre "Syrian". Unless this is referenced somewhere it should be removed. Not her ethnicity is contested but the fact that she sang Syrian songs. --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if she sang any Syrian songs. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: hello
PeterCohen has put in a "request for arbitration", which means he's asked the Arbitration Committee (roughly the equivalent of Wikipedia's Supreme Court, if you will) to take a look at the situation he's describing and see if there is any need for sanctions to be placed against users involved in the article. The ArbCom is the last step in dispute resolution, and reviews very problematic disputes to handle severe issues relating to user conduct; they do not rule on content decisions (that is, an arbitration remedy might say "User X is banned" or "User Y is no longer an administrator", but they won't say "Article Z will say 'this that and other' and not 'other this and that'".). At this point, the ArbCom is getting preliminary information to see if they need to accept the case, so what they're looking for are statements from users, both involved and uninvolved, to explain what they believe the dispute is about, how it got to that point, and what the main problem is. They are also interested in hearing about what other steps have been taken to try and resolve the issue, and what users expect to get out of an arbitration case. Since you've been named as a party to the case (someone thinks you're involved), you should make a statement to this affect to the request page here as PeterCohen has. Try to keep your statement to less than 1000 words so that the Arbitrators can easily figure out what you're saying.

If you need further explanations, the Guide to arbitration may be of some help, and you're welcome to ask me questions as well. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 22:33, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, this is the first thing I've go this far. Hopefuly this will resolve it. Abce2 | Free Lemonade  Only 25 cents!(Sign here)  22:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Summaries
Please always type edit summaries after you edit a page.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 11:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: Golan map
No, somebody changed the original CIA map by moving the Syria label up & to the right, creating their own map. This changes the map's direct labeling of the Golan Heights as part of Syria, and I don't think we should be changing the meanings of these things from reliable sources, any more than we should move a border or ocean. If editors want a map that doesn't label the area as part of Syria, I think they should find a better map instead of modifying the original to show what they want. ← George [ talk  ] 20:12, 6 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I think you're probably looking at an older version of this image than I am. If you look at the history of the image here, you'll see that Fipplet has reverted the image a couple times to the modified version (which shows the Israel label over the Golan Heights), while the current version (which is the original, unmodified version), shows the Israel label over Israel proper, and the Syria label crossing the border between the Golan Heights and Syria proper. The image that should be used, and the one you should be seeing, is this one. ← George [ talk  ] 22:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Hummus
Greetings Supreme. I just want to warn you that the tone and rhetoric you are using at Talk:Hummus could be considered uncivil and provocative and could get you blocked. It also doesn't help the side you are arguing for. Please just take it down a notch. Thank you. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understand. When I first started I felt the same way you probably do. However, with time I changed my attitude on Wikipedia, and today I'm proud to say that I'm a valuable contributor and an administrator. Hang in there, just start changing your attitude here. Following the pillars and guidelines is the only an editor could survive. So many editors have failed in this and have been banned from editing in the past. Please don't make the mistakes they did. It would be a shame. I look forward to collaborating with you on articles in the future. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, nobody is saying you have to change what you think or how you feel, but you do have to realize that here, on Wikipedia, you cannot allow your personal feelings on an issue compromise article content, and in talk page discussions it is in your best interest to not allow yourself to become too emotionally involved in a discussion. Keep your arguments to what the sources say, not to how you feel. Try and stop saying things like "culture theft", all that happens is that everybody else get emotionally charged and nothing gets done because the "discussion" quickly degenerates into an "argument". There are ways to resolve most disputes on Wikipedia, from going to a noticeboard like WP:NPOV/N or WP:RS/N or requesting comments from the wider community. Just arguing with others will never work. Look at how Al Ameer conducts himself on these pages, he is non-confrontational and thorough in his review of the sources, and because of that he is able to get an article as controversial as Yasser Arafat up to a featured article that is well written and has only a minimal amount of bias. Now he is much better than me at behaving that well, I have gotten into a few disagreements that became shouting matches, so perhaps I should just leave him to tell you this, but you would be best off chilling out a bit. As a parting message I leave you a bit of advice; try and find some articles to work on that are not quite so controversial, take a look at WP:SYRIA and see if there is any articles in that wikiproject that need work. Trust me, it will help you in the long run. Peace, Nableezy (talk) 23:08, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * As someone whom you probably consider the "other side", I wanted to offer some input here. I appreciate your enthusiasm and dedication to articles.  While we may not always agree on an article's content, I do appreciate your willingness to question the "status quo" and your zeal for finding sourced material to help improve articles.  I also agree with Nableezy about finding some non-controversial articles to edit; I've been on Wiki for over three years, and have watched many editors (on both sides) who concentrate their edits on Arab-Israeli conflict articles get blocked, banned or leave wikipedia entirely out of frustration.  You have so much to offer, I would hate to see you fall into the same "trap".  --Nsaum75 (talk) 23:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Don't know if you saw it, but on Sockpuppet investigations/Arab Cowboy they confirmed that Wolof and a bunch of those other users were the same person, and all were banned. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * But were they me? SD is going around the site making ridiculous accusations.  --Arab Cowboy (talk) 04:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No they were not, but you both need to chill and just work together. Nableezy (talk) 05:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I added more to Sockpuppet investigations/Arab Cowboy. If you're going to comment on there, please keep it clear and concise. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 20:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: sorry
No worries, figured it was an honest mistake. Cheers. ← George [ talk  ] 08:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Damascus
Greetings SD! I've noticed you've been making several edits at Damascus. This is great because the article is currently in a semi-sorry state. I don't know if you're planning on significantly expanding and/or rewriting the article, but if you are, here's a great resource to use for its History section Damascus: A History by Ross Burns. I was planning on using it to edit Damascus a while back, but got caught up with Hims and later, several other articles. I'm probably going to be concentrating on Gamal Abdel Nasser soon, but please tell me if you want any assistance in editing Damascus. Good luck. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oops sorry for that then. Thanks for the edits anyway. I think sometime in the near future (1-2 months perhaps), I'll gather a handful of editors and we'll bring Damascus to at least Good article status. Hopefully you will be one of them. Cheers! --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Blue Tower Hotel
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Arbitration motion regarding Golan Heights
Per a motion at Arbitration/Requests/Case: The arbitration committee advises that one or more neutral admins chair a new and structured Request for Comment on the disputed naming guidelines on the Golan Heights within a two month time-frame.

It is recommend that those interested use WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration as a staging post. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Tiptoety  talk 17:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Discuss this

Re:Naming consistence
Hi SD, I've taken care of the Rif Dimashq Map. If you want to edit them just type in "Template:Rif Dimashq Labelled Map" or "Template:Hama Labelled Map", etc. As for the categories, I cannot rename them myself. You'll have to list them for speedy renaming here. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Arab Cowboy SPI
In case you're curious, Sockpuppet investigations/Arab Cowboy came to a conclusion: they're unrelated. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 05:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Eight Gate Damascus.PNG)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 20:43, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed it for you. Keep up the good work! J Milburn (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Syrian towns?
Marhaba Supreme, I'm thinking of focusing the efforts to start substantial stub articles for most (if not all) Syrian towns, as we're quite lacking behind in comparison to other countries. Any thoughts? or resources? I am not in Syria at the moment so I don't have access to official records and the Census Bureau's website has been down for a year (surprise-surprise)...Yazan (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, but not sure how I can help you with that. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if you have any access to official documentation that would be great! On another note, I am also interested in a major push on Damascus. The article is in a pathetic state, unsourced and in disarray... but I won't be able to do it on my own. We're probably the only two on WP Syria that are active right now. Do you think you have some extra time in the next few weeks? Yazan (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not part of WP Syria. Al Ameer son has said he was interested in improving the Damascus article, he would be the best to help you with that because its hard for me to wright good texts in english. And the problems with the Asmahan article has not ended yet. I don't know if this was what you was looking for but here you can find some statics: http://www.sana.sy/ara/204/index.htm --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 11:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Latest ANI post
I searched the IP address you listed at ANI as trying to hack your account. It resolves to an address in Sweden. Dunno if this helps in your endeavor, but I would change my password asap. --Nsaum75 (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I know, Stockholm, I traced it myself. Thanks. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, it may be a genuine mistake. I may have caused User:Tonyw some concern a while ago when I forgot my username (yes, I know, "never edit drnuk"), however I did apologise the next day. Granted, it's not as easy to get a username like yours wrong, though! Whatever the motivation, the requested password will only be sent to the email address that Wikipedia has for you. Tonywalton Talk 22:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

supreme Allah?
Do you think it is appropriate to call yourself Supreme Allah? I do not know if you are Muslim or not, but I, as a Muslim, personally have a problem with it. If you think it is fine I will drop it, but I respectfully ask you to choose a different moniker.  nableezy  - 15:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Your signature
Um... you might want to change your sig. Aside from potentially pissing off a whole lot of people, there were a number of responses at WP:CHU that told you that changing your username to that would be unacceptable. So it's probably best for you to change your sig now before things get a whole lot worse. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 05:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This matter is at AN/I now. Signatures must adhere to username policy. Your proposed username was rejected, and your corresponding signature is 'rejected' as well. Please change it. Law type!  snype? 08:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know, done.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks - your cooperation and cool head is much appreciated. Law type!  snype? 08:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Supreme Silly
What was that about? He being a character in an outstanding drama series notwithstanding, you must have known that asking for such a username change would create a ruckus and be interpreted in the most pointy light. I've had a look at your contributions and you seem to have good things to offer. Don't let yourself be shitcanned over silly things like this. Cheers, Crafty (talk) 10:05, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Nawaf
No, I think the article could be useful, it certainly passes the notability test since he was the assassin of a president (or in this case former president). Of course it could be expanded and cleaned up though. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Tack
Tack för hjälpen. Jag är ny här som du kanske har märkt :) Så varifrån Sverige är du? Livetsord (talk) 16:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Jag förstår :) Jag gillar att bidra med min kunskap och förbättra det här uppslagsverket helt enkelt. Det känns också som ett bra sätt att lära sig och förbättra sin engelska :) --Livetsord (talk) 16:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Line breaks
Could you please stop using those line breaks? They make talk pages really difficult to read and are rather distracting. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 18:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You saw how much crap was posted after Diaa specifically said no more fighting, A line is needed to clearly separate on topic posts from the rest. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to inform you, I responded on my talk page and Asmahan's talk page. --Al Ameer son (talk) 19:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Greetings Supreme! Unfortunately, I still can't read it. If you could write down those word-for-word statements for me that would excellent. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I just posted something, was there something else you needed? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Supreme, as long as adopted country is backed by the source then there's no problem with it. Nothing controversial. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry SD, I'm doing some stuff in real life right now, so I might not always reply immediately. Anyway, I replied on Asmahan's talk page. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:3RR
Just so you know, you've hit 3RR on Quneitra Crossing and List of archaeoastronomical sites by country. You may want to discuss your edits before reverting again. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (File:Eight Gate Damascus.PNG)
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Hi
I reverted to a stable version. Please discuss before taking action. Cheers, Ori (talk) 18:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

3rr report
I think mine lays it out lil better so would you mind removing yours? Was typing mine as you finished yours.  nableezy  - 19:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok!--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Please help
Would you please comment on the new SPI for Free Hans and Wolof or whatever his/her name is. It would also help if you added any of sock-trolls you know of that try and make temorary blocked users look like that they are sockpuppeting. Abce2 | Aww nuts!  Wribbit!(Sign here)  15:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Concerns
Greetings SD, I'm not sure I completely follow. I'm suggesting that instead of "relocated", "returned", "moved back", or whatever, we use the very simple and neutral "went to". This shouldn't imply anything except that she went to Syria. As for WW2, your concern is plagiarism, correct? Plagiarism is indeed a violation and I have stated that on the talk page. So rewrite the sentences, but keep the intended meaning of the book text. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry SD, I noticed everything on the talk page; I'll make my comments soon. --Al Ameer son (talk) 20:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: fipplet investigation
If you listed them on that page, you can probably let the administrators decide whether to check them. Alternatively, you can of course add them below the IP address I listed at the top. ← George [ talk  ] 23:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Delay in responses
Marhaba SD, I don't think I'll be able to articulate responses to the concerns brought up by you and AC on the Asmahan talk page just yet (it's getting murkier and murkier...). I'm leaving Wiki for a three-day (maybe four-day) vacation and will respond when I get back. If I have access to a computer I'll get on wiki briefly. Anyway, I suggest that both of you edit other articles until then when we could work something out—inshallah. I'm giving AC the same message. Cheers, --Al Ameer son (talk) 02:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Syrian military presence article
Hi Supreme D, an administrator Y not?just reverted my move of the article even though new and credible sources and arguments were presented and there was 8-6 vote in favor of the move. My question is do you know of a more neutral administrator who can look into this, because there is definitely some foul play here, no matter what evidence is presented there seems to be a concerted effort to keep it as is. Basically I'm asking you if you know an non-biased administrator who can make a second opinion.George Al-Shami (talk) 06:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Therese many administrators at the ANI. Maybe you should contact one of them. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Supreme Deli. which article is he talking about? ^ is it the Lebanese civil war? Because I have spent hours working on that article and cleaning it up. Oh and by the way thanks :) Lebanese bebe (talk) 08:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

August 2009
Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. Just a friendly reminder to please use the edit summary when making changes ;-) Cheers!   Nsaum75 (talk) 09:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Za'atar
You may want to rethink your removal of the image of Israeli Za'atar. It has been discussed numerous times on the talk page, with the agreement that both should be kept. In addition, there is a note in the header of the paragraph stating that any removal of content should be discussed first on the talk page before being implemented --Nsaum75 (talk) 06:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

You have been warned about this before. This is your final warning: further biased removals of content from Za'atar will result in your being blocked. — Hex    (❝  ?!  ❞)   08:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I forgot about that but its not really the same kind of edit as the others which was texts. Its an excessive and meaningless photo that has no place in the article.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Check this out
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. Nsaum75 (talk) 07:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC) (Using )

August 2009
Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Although you didn't write the original comment, your insistence on re-inserting it makes you responsible. A comment that starts with "Jews like yourself" cannot appear on the pages of this website. Comments should be made without referring to a user's religion, nationality, sex, or any other such attribute. Additionally, the anon's comment had no content regarding the article, and was a combination of soap boxing with a personal attack. Talk pages aren't a general discussion forum for malcontents. That entire comment is an attack against Jews as a group, and against myself as their representative.'' okedem (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Can you please give a reason when reverting other people's edits, like you did here? Andjam (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Has nothing to do with the subject.--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Use the talk page and wait
You have been warned too often for just this kind of thing -- a quick reversion. You need to slow down. Grabbing an opinion off my talk page, pasting it onto the article talk page and then using that as an excuse to make your own reversions is poor form. Especially, when you deleted one editor's paragraph because I said it was out of context or "meaningless", but replaced your own sentence even though I had also told you I considered it out of context. You need to use the talk page and allow for discussion and response. It might take days for a response. But who cares if a single synonym is there for a day or a week or month? It's no big deal. This isn't life or death surgery. Find some perspective and patience. — Cactus Writer |   needles  13:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Stop it
Cut this crap out. Tan  &#124;   39  14:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Your report at AIV
Regarding your report for Edit Warring of User:Arab Cowboy you filed at WP:AIV; AIV is really for vandals and spammers. For edit warring, I would recommend you file it at WP:ANEW where there are administrators who are more experienced in dealing with cases like this. Thanks, Stephen! Coming... 17:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look ...
If there is anything I can add to the discussion I will. Thanks for letting me know and happy editing.  T i a m u t talk 16:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

arbitration
Why on earth would you start that? I hope you realize that ArbCom as a rule does not issue judgments on content (whether or not to put Syrian or Egyptian or whatever) and the only thing that would happen if they accept the case (they shouldn't in my opinion) is the two of you getting banned for some period of time for edit warring and disruption. Arbitration is incredibly tedious with the result not likely to be advantageous to either of you. Its your life so do what you feel you have to, but this was not a wise move in my opinion.  nableezy  - 20:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dont know, but if you want people to actually try and help you need to chill out a bit as well. When there is an RfC and there are just 2 editors going back and forth nobody wants to get involved. I aint exactly the most civil person out here but I realize that if you want to get other people involved you have to make it so they arent stepping in shit. Nobody wants to get involved in these types of disputes were people are just arguing with each other, which is why so many of the Arab/Israeli articles are so bad. People see nothing but sniping and realize that it is just not worth their effort to try and help resolve the issues. So nothing gets done, you just have two sides of people arguing and getting more and more angry with the other side. Which is what happened here. If you told me you were thinking about this I would have tried to step in. Two Arabs going at it like this over a friggin category is retarded. I would have told you both that it is retarded. I would have tried to get the two of you to agree to a set of ground rules for what qualifies for the category. Or I would have tried to get Al Ameer to do it instead. If you want I can still try and do that with the two of you maybe not have to go through the hassle of an arbitration case. If you want to see what you are signing up for take a look at a recent case, read these over and let me know if you still want to go through with this. WP:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria, WT:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria, WP:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Evidence, WT:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Evidence, WP:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Workshop, WT:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Workshop, WP:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Proposed decision, WT:Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria/Proposed decision.  nableezy  - 07:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (ec)I didnt say anything because I didnt think it mattered (still dont), but if it means the two of you putting this arbitration on hold I will get involved. If you all want to go ahead with that fine, I am not trying to stand in your way, but I wont be getting involved in either the case or the dispute if you go forward (see where I said people dont like stepping in shit). But allow to provide some unrequested advice: do not continue edit warring during the case. Matter of fact dont add or remove any of the type of edits the two of you have been going back and forth over, so dont say a person is of Syrian decent or add the X of Syrian background category. You really should just disengage from the "battles" while a case is ongoing, both of you.  nableezy  - 08:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw this come up on ArbCOM, and figured I would chime in (as someone who has no interest or edit history with the articles you are disputing). Nableezy is right, bringing this to ArbCOM may result in you and AC being topic banned. Furthermore, there's the possibility that ArbCOM will examine your and ACs entire edit history, and ban both of you from all Arab related topics.  Its been my observation, and opinion, that ArbCOM decisions often "settle" problems by issuing a "broadly construed" ban of involved editors, rather than actually resolving the dispute. I don't like to see anyone banned, especially someone who has put so much time and energy into trying to improve articles.  Anyhow, just my two cents. --Nsaum75 (talk) 08:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Possible, but they usually keep it in the topic area of contention if they go with a topic ban.  nableezy  - 08:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, but SD & AC have been involved in edit wars on a number of Arab-related articles, including Arab-Israeli conflict articles. I just wanted to caution him, so that he's aware of it.  Anyhow, all the best. --Nsaum75 (talk) 08:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * What arab-israeli conflict articles?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,  hmwith  ☮  18:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Case
Okay, I've discussed this with other clerks, and you can continue with the case. The arbs will not make a decision, but the case can resume.  hmwith  ☮  23:57, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Israeli theft of Arab cuisine


The article Israeli theft of Arab cuisine has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Can this be serious? This is like an article called "Italian theft of Chinese cuisine", talking about Chinese scorn and legal action over Italians serving noodles and calling them "Italian food". The very title of the article is an opinion.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Israeli theft of Arab cuisine
I have nominated Israeli theft of Arab cuisine, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Israeli theft of Arab cuisine. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Pseudomonas(talk) 16:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Message concerning status of ArbCom case
Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan/Workshop. Let me know if you need assistance,  hmwith  ☮  17:28, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There has been an update in the status of the case. Please see Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan/Workshop.  hmwith  ☮  17:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Word count of evidence
Your evidence is currently over 1000 words, which is the limit. Please shorten it ASAP to the most important material that makes your points, or excess may be removed. Also, make sure the titles make specific points rather than just saying they're replies.  hmwith  ☮  22:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm just counting your section, and Microsoft Word 2007 word count puts the content in Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asmahan/Evidence at about 2000 words.  hmwith  ☮  22:28, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you put that on the evidence page as part of your evidence.  hmwith  ☮  22:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If it's not evidence, it doesn't belong on the page. Here, I'll move it to the talk page and link to it.  hmwith  ☮  22:58, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Questions
Postponing the case has again been proposed here. Could you please comment there and let everyone know if you opinion remains? Thanks,  hmwith  ☮  14:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)