User talk:Surcouf

I've answered you at Talk:France. By the way, it's obvious English isn't your first language. It would probably be better for you to edit the Wikipedia of your language. Evercat 22:57, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi Surcouf - I see that sadly no-one has properly welcomed you here :(, so hello!

Thanks for the very interesting article on the SEA IV. It seems that aviation is an interest of yours, and you can see that Wikipedia needs a lot more work on French aircraft. If you'd like to help out with these, please take a look at WikiProject Aircraft, the informal attempt to co-ordinate these efforts. You might also like to look at the current standard for aircraft articles - I noticed that you'd copied an obsolete format for the SEA IV.

Finally, I would like to disagree with Evercat's comment above - I think it's great that we have contibutors from all over the world on English Wikipedia, and your English is much better than my French! :)

Again, welcome --Rlandmann 23:07, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think the best course of action now is to merge the information between MB 80-81 into the existing Bloch MB-81 article.

Just a couple of thoughts about naming to help in the future -
 * aircraft articles almost always begin with the name of the manufacturer, in this case Bloch.
 * the title of an aircraft article should contain only one designation, so rather than MB 80-81, it would have been better to create Bloch MB.81 (since that was the designation of the production versions) and then create Bloch MB.80 as a "redirect" to the MB.81.

It also seems very strange to say that the MB.81 was a product of Dassault Aviation, when that company would not exist yet for many years. Bloch aircraft should be described as Bloch, and we will eventually need an article on that company (explaining, of course, that after the war it would be re-created as Dassault).

Cheers --Rlandmann 22:12, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

If you look carely at SEA IV page you could see that I named it "Bloch SEA IV" because at that time "Bloch" (pron. "Blosh") was the official name


 * Actually, the Marcel Bloch company did not exist at the time that the SEA IV was built - the company that designed this aircraft and built the prototype was SEA (not Bloch, nor Dassault, nor Potez for that matter - those companies were all in the future).

but for the MB-80 "MB" stands for "Marcel Bloch" as producer name and the name of the aircraft was in reality only "80" so I made the choice to that naming rule.


 * I know it's a little redundant, but it's a convention followed in most aircraft reference books, and English Wikipedia is following this convention. It's the same for Junkers Ju 87, Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15, de Havilland DH.88 etc.

Then I inserted the Bloch and "MB" series under the dassault page first because I think that those aircraft were produced under too much different names (Bloch, MB, Dassault-Breguet, Marcel Dassault, Dassault-Aviation...) to make different main pages instead of redirections, and second because for ecample in 1952, at the beginnings of "Dassault" official factory name, there were aicrafts in production line still with the old name "MB" (like the MD 453) while at the same time also the newer "Dassault" marked aircrafts (like the Mystère series) were in production. Do you agreed with me?


 * This is a little tricky and there are no hard-and-fast rules. The basic rule of thumb to follow is to name the article after whatever the most familiar name is in English, but for obscure aircraft there might not even be a familiar name... Generally though, aircraft are listed under the original manufacturer, so in this case, the most conventional name for the article would be (for example) Bloch MB.123, with a redirect at Dassault MB.123 pointing to the same article.

Second point, how I can modify the main name of an article? (the designation of "Mirage V" name is wrong, "Mirage 5" should be more appropriated) thanks again! :-) Surcouf 08:19 CET 7/09/2004


 * Usually, you can rename an article by clicking on the "move" tab near the top of the page, but this won't work if there's already a redirect at the name you want to move to. In that case, you need to ask an admin to take care of it. Some people make the mistake of copying-and-pasting the article over the redirect notice, but this is bad practice because it scrambles the edit history of the article. I'll take care of the Mirage 5 for you.


 * Hope all of this makes sense and is of some help! Looking forward to some more French planes here! :) --Rlandmann 06:39, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Mirage V - at the moment, both Mirage V and Mirage 5 exist as redirects to Mirage III. If you want to write a separate article about the Mirage 5, then you can do it [|here], and later edit the Mirage V redirect to point there instead of to Mirage III (we should keep "Mirage V" as a redirect, since it is often (incorrectly) used to refer to the Mirage 5... --Rlandmann 06:45, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Of course you can add your name as a WP:A participant if you like! It's purely an informal way for different users to say that they're interested in this subject area... --Rlandmann 13:29, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Standards etc
Hi again - If you don't mind, please work a little bit more closely to the standard layout for aircraft articles - remember that the aim of this project is to produce an encyclopedia, and therefore a uniform approach to how information is presented is a Good Thing.

One little language tip - "moteur etoile" is "radial engine" en anglais :) I think English is unique in this case - every other language I can think of calls it a "star engine"

Finally, please be very careful not to load copyrighted pictures into Wikipedia. The black-and-white photos of Bloch aircraft in the 1930s and 40s are probably free of copyright now, but illustrations that people have published since then are probably not. I have listed Image:Bloch211.jpg, Image:Mb131.jpg, and Image:Bloch MB152.jpg as Copyright problems. If you think that the copyright has expired on these pictures, or if you have permission from the copyright holder that we can use them, then please leave a comment on that page.

Thanks again for the good work! --Rlandmann 05:24, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

MB.17x
You're correct - a list of armaments cannot be copyright, but the sentences used to describe them can be copyright. Note that the site you copied this from says:


 * "Copyright 1999 - 2003, "The Flightline" Aviation Archive - All Rights Reserved. This site is designed and hosted by ViperCon Web Graphic Services. No images or text may be used without the written and/or expressed consent of the Web Author" (, my emphasis).

Anyway, a revised version of the article is already at Bloch MB.170/Temp, so no further action needs to be taken. It's not really a big deal, but this action needs to be taken, otherwise infringing material will remain in the article's edit history, and leave Wikipedia vulnerable to any legal action that a copyright holder wants to take in future.

I hope I'm not a nuisance, but a couple more tips that I hope will help:
 * In English, decimals are written as 17.25 not as 17,25 like in Europe
 * When talking about aircraft, chasseur always means "fighter". There are no "hunter" aircraft in English :)
 * Reconnaissance is the same in English as in French - English has stolen this word from you :)

Cheers -Rlandmann 21:58, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I personally don't think that a picture of the Little Prince would add much to the MB.17x article, but go ahead if you like... :)


 * J'habite en Australie, mais ma famille est d'Autriche, (et de Portugal, et des Pays-Bas... etc!) --Rlandmann 03:07, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Napoleonic Wars

 * Please see Talk:Napoleonic Wars Philip Baird Shearer 14:22, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

German wartime images
You uploaded the following images under the template PD-Germany. Unfortunately, the wording of this template was inaccurate, and the images are not (yet) in the public domain. However, they may well be usable as fair use. Please consider changing the copyright tag to fairuse.
 * Vous avez téléchargé les images suivantes sous la mention PD-Germany. Malheureusement la rédaction de ce modèle était érronée, et ces images ne sont pas (encore) dans la Domaine publique. Toutefois, il se peut qu'elles soient utilisable sous la doctrine américaine de "fair use" (utilisation justifiée). Je serais reconnaissant si vous pourriez bien vouloir changer le modèle de licence a fairuse. N'hesitez pas à me contacter si vous avez des questions.

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Untagged images
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 * Unfortunately copyright terms are terribly long (70 years after artist's death in the US), but products of many governments's employees are automatically public domain. I've marked the images unknown for now (meaning someone will eventually come by who knows more about this and will try to track down the copyright status).  If you have any source information like a URL, putting that on the image description page would help a lot.  --Laura Scudder | Talk 08:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Major rewrite of USS Hartford Incident
I just completed a major rewrite. Please check it out - you seem to have contributed the original article.

Thanks. Megapixie 15:07, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Infobox
There is a consensus discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft on adopting a non-specifications summary infobox for aircraft articles. Your comments would be appreciated. Thanks! - Emt147 Burninate!  18:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

AfD nomination of World Tourism Rankings
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Image copyright problem with Image:Bloch 175nazi.jpg
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An exciting opportunity to get involved!
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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Twinflix levels example.jpg
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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Twinflix classic mode.jpg
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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Twinflix main.jpg
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