User talk:SusanJenkins

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Proposed deletion of Kristen Darling


The article Kristen Darling has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Author who falls under too soon from the look of it

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'''If needed to delete, that's fine - but it does not follow the guidelines of Wikipedia article creation to delete a page because Author falls under too soon. Also, had many other links and cited sources, not sure why they were deleted. This ambiguity is confusing for new users like myself - I see hundreds of pages on Wiki that literally have no notability - makes me question the reasoning behind all articles I read now. I have no prior connection to this author - I went by the list of pages to create on Wiki's site - this struck me as someone interesting, and one of the only ones I looked up that actually gave me results and different sources.''' --SusanJenkins (talk) 18:57, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Ghost of You Book


The article The Ghost of You Book has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails WP:GNG/WP:NBOOK sourced only to the author's website and Amazon purchase pages.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. McGeddon (talk) 07:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Sourced from: author's website, Amazon author page, good reads author interview page


 * Actually, this page suggestion came from Wikipedia itself, along with many other suggested pages for creation. After researching several online, this was the one of the only ones I could find information about.


 * Wiki standpoint is: the topic should be notable (i.e. it should have some detailed coverage in good references from independent sources)


 * Independent sources are:
 * 1. author has own website
 * 2. Author has interviews and author page on GoodReads.com
 * 3. Author has author page on Amazon.com
 * 4. Author will be signed with popular publishing agent by end of 2015.
 * 5. Author will be interviewed for several local stations
 * 6. Author will have cross country book promotion with Barnes & Noble in December 2015.
 * 7. Author will be on National talk show sometime in December 2015.


 * So article is proposed for deletion - then in December, when author is now considered by Wiki editors to be "noteworthy" a page will be created once again - but not by original page creator (i.e. me) Not clear or really fair to original wiki writer who saw an up and coming and jumped at chance to create a page.
 * --SusanJenkins (talk) 19:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Kristen Darling for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kristen Darling is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Kristen Darling until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Blackguard 07:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Notability
'''This was the best, most descriptive and easy-to-understand explanation of why the page is being deleted. Thank you so much for going above and beyond to help me to understand and not feel like it is based on my own writing skills (which, since I am in school for journalism is a major deal to me.) I now understand it has nothing to do with how I wrote the page, but the subject material itself. I printed your explanation and brought it to class with me yesterday and my professor was extremely understanding and told me that I learned something very valuable. He also gave me an extension, so I would appreciate any guidance or suggestions you have for a page creation that I can use. Again, I thank you for taking the time to explain to a newbie and really make so much sense, I am once again excited about this assignment for school.'''

--SusanJenkins (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Hey, thought I'd answer some of your questions.

I'm not sure where you saw the author's name, but I have a feeling that it was likely here at the request page. The problem with things listed there is that a lot of times people will post requests for topics that do not pass notability guidelines, so a post there does not always mean that someone would necessarily pass. For example, I usually frequent the request page for books and at one point I cleaned out dozens of requests for books that failed guidelines.

In any case, you're probably asking why she fails: it's ultimately because she hasn't yet received coverage in independent and reliable sources per WP:RS. A reliable source would be something like a newspaper review of her book or an interview in a website like Publishers Weekly. However I also need to add that in order to show notability we'd need multiple RS, usually about 4-5. Sometimes articles can be established on fewer sources, but it's fairly rare because those sources would have to assert something major like the author winning an extremely notable award.

The sources currently in the article aren't usable for several reasons. Darling's website is considered to be a WP:PRIMARY source, as it was published by Darling herself. It can be used to back up basic details, but it cannot show notability regardless of what it claims. The other site, Goodreads, isn't usable but for a somewhat different reason. Goodreads is considered to be a routine database listing at best and at worst, it's a self-published social network source. (WP:SPS) This is because anyone can post to Goodreads and almost anyone can add a book there, so being included isn't a sign of notability in and of itself. It proves that she exists, but existing doesn't automatically mean that she's notable. (WP:ITEXISTS) However I do need to add that in this situation it'd also be a bit of a primary source since you are using the author bio that Darling posted herself. A little explanation of SPS: Self-published sources are sources that are (as the title suggests) self-published, meaning they undergo little to no editorial oversight. These rarely qualify as reliable sources because of that.

In the end it all tends to boil down to notability. Right now she doesn't pass notability guidelines, but that doesn't mean that she might not pass in the future. The interviews you referred to might be enough to assert notability once they're posted, but be careful about these. It looks like her next book will be self-published as well and while this doesn't mean that she might not be covered in RS, it's more likely that these interviews will be in self-published sources like blogs. This is why we can't really count on future coverage, because it's not always guaranteed that the future coverage will be in places that Wikipedia would consider reliable, as the site's guidelines are fairly strict.

I hope that this explains some of the stuff for you. If you need another page for your grade, I can suggest one for you. I would also recommend that you send your professor to Student assignments, as that gives an overview of the editing process and is geared towards students and professors. There's also an orientation for students at WP:STUDENT, if you're interested in looking over that. There's also a training program at WP:ADVENTURE, which might be good as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:41, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The book Nod (information here) would make for a good article, as it does have coverage via reviews and news coverage, including information that it may be a TV series . I was going to write it, but there's no reason that you can't, especially since you need this for a grade. You could turn this into a page for the author instead, if you want, but right now it'd be best to have an article on the book rather than the author. If you need a bio, I have some suggestions, although none of them are writers. I have a list of people needing articles here. The easiest would likely be the ones in the sections for the House of Delegates or House of Burgesses. They don't have much sourcing but they did hold a political position at the state level and qualify for notability on that basis alone. I'd also recommend Aline Elizabeth Black, as she's fairly notable and the link above will take you directly to the section of sources for her. (I'm highlighting her since she's female and I'm not sure if you specifically need a biography on a female person.) Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:51, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions - I would love to do Aline Elizabeth Black - the initial assignment was for women in the news (author, newscaster, journalist, but I spoke with my professor and he agreed to let me do Aline as she was part of the education system, and I can't find any notable authors, journalists or newscasters with notability that don't already have a page. Thanks again for your help.  I will start the page tonight.

SusanJenkins (talk) 17:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem! Whenever you need help, just leave a note on my talk page or ping me by posting this on your article or user talk pages: . This way it'll show me an alert upon signup, since I'm not always the greatest at checking talk pages. I'll see if I can find more sourcing for you as well. I believe that what I have should be enough overall, but it never hurts to find more, right? I did find one on EbescoHost, but my college doesn't seem to have access to that specific  database, so hopefully your school might? I also found an article by the Virginian-pilot, but it's a Highbeam article. I can e-mail you the content from the article if you want, since I have Highbeam access. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:40, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Just checking in to see how things are going! Do you need any help getting started? Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:31, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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