User talk:SusunW/Archive 13

DYK for Ruth Rivera Marín
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhonda Patrick
Hi, SusunW! Looks like the Rhonda Patrick article ended up being deleted. You can check out the AfD page for Spartaz summary, or, if you think you might have some salient points to add, maybe you'd join my appeal to Spartaz to reconsider! Thanks for the particularly numerous, well-thought-out points you made on the AfD and your contributions to the actual article itself. All the best... Snazzywiki (talk) 10:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Women red links
Hi, can you not find enough to start the remaining red links? The problem is a lot of them are highly referenced but lack much biographical info about them I guess. Just remove the ones you think you can't start from the Intertranswiki list and I'll archive November.♦ Dr. Blofeld  10:07, 30 November 2015 (UTC) On the scientists, I cannot. There is a lot of stuff they have written, but nothing about them that I can find. So frustrating. I'll work on the schools a bit today. SusunW (talk) 14:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I thought. There's a lot of scientist types who are very well cited but have poor coverage. I'll remove from the list, thanks for the work on the others!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Victoria Joyce Ely
Hi, I have some extra QPQs and thought I'd nominate this for DYK. Are you finished with it yet? Yoninah (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You are amazing. Yes, I think I'm finished with her. Thank you. SusunW (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the co-credit. To be honest, I just did a few edits and added one sentence. I was hoping to build up my DYK nominations credits instead so I could reach the 25 DYK noms threshold. Could I quietly remove the creation credit on this? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You can if you want, I certainly don't want to cause a problem. What's a 25 DYK nom threshold? SusunW (talk) 00:38, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a statistics page that recognizes frequent contributors to DYK. This list is divided into creation credits and nomination credits. Each list requires a minimum of 25 credits to sign up.
 * By the way, when you added my name to the line that says "Created by..." the bot wouldn't have given me any credit. You must add a credit line below that (this is only visible in the edit window), to where it says, adding another line with my name in it. Best, Yoninah (talk) 15:13, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Kaunakes
It is interesting. You may like see and add. I was totally engrossed with posting articles on Asia Month project.-- Nvvchar . 12:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Totally fascinating. Enjoyed it as my morning read with coffee :) SusunW (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the edits. Can you suggest a hook? Nvvchar . 08:03, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nomination. Hooks are very nice. Nvvchar . 16:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Tebello Nyokong
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Thanks for participating


Thank you for your participation in the Women in Science Virtual Edit-a-thon, 8 to 29 November 2015, hosted by Women in Red together with Women scientists. It was held in parallel with a meet up at the New York Academy of Sciences on 22 November. In addition to improvements, we created well over 300 new articles. Your contributions are appreciated!

Hope you will also join us for the WiR Women in Religion Virtual Edit-a-thon from 5 to 15 December.--Ipigott (talk) 12:14, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Idelisa Bonnelly
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Anupama Kundoo
Can you find any better sources for this Template:Did you know nominations/Anupama Kundoo? I don;t known what the problem is in this Template:Did you know nominations/Susan Maxman. Nvvchar . 06:22, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I added two sources to Kundoo. My guess is that the tag related to the use of Linked-In. I'm kind of like Ian, it doesn't automatically make it a bad source is you can back up the linked-in claims in other non-involved sources, but rather than argue, I just found a different source. She has never been employed at Cornell, so isn't involved, was a juror in a contest and they gave her credentials. Also fixed the timeline on her work in the last paragraph. I think you should now be good to go. Will look at Maxman in a bit. SusunW (talk) 14:45, 16 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I did a double blind copyedit on Maxman, meaning I did not open the sources so there is no chance copied from them and I did it twice to make sure. That tool Victuallers is using is still picking up on names. I asked him to relook at it. I mean, the names of her children are the names of her children. The name of the Girl Scouts is their name. The name of the awards she won is the name of them. So yes, they match the source. But no text, other than a quote which is marked as a quote matches. Hopefully, he will see that. Good luck! Let me know if I can help further. SusunW (talk) 04:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Will you kindly have a look at this Template:Did you know nominations/Fortifications of Xi'an and do the needful. Nvvchar . 17:03, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem. It'll be sometime today. SusunW (talk) 20:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think you are good to go. SusunW (talk) 03:44, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work improving Fortifications of Xi'an - your prose is excellent! --Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC) (DYK reviewer)
 * Thank you . and I make a pretty good team. We've worked together on quite a few articles and I try to do blind editing on them, if he asks for my input, so there is no chance of any copyvios. Once he has them sourced, we trust each other to improve the files. We are half way across the globe from each other so sometimes we can access different sources for improvement. It's a collaboration that has worked well for us. :) SusunW (talk) 05:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Article for Signpost
Did I understand correctly that you have offered to draft an article for Signpost? If so, that's great. If you want any help, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 13:47, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No. I actually said the opposite. I will be glad to help if someone wants to write something. SusunW (talk) 14:15, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Pity. I think an article written by a woman would be far more effective.--Ipigott (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I just know from what Rosie described she wanted, I don't have the ability. I have no idea how to include the laundry list of things she wanted included and I don't want to be listed by name in the Signpost. At least with a regular WP article, I have some degree of anonymity, but I have seen what happens to those who put their names out front on here and I don't want to be that woman. I have never been one that craves the limelight. SusunW (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I see that I failed to ping you, which is maybe a good thing, as I noticed on another page that Sue, (aka megalibrarygirl) has agreed to work on it. SusunW (talk) 22:36, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's great news. I you need any help, just let me know.--Ipigott (talk) 07:46, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Notability and Such
Carry-over from Matilda Lăcătușu AfD. I'm afraid you didn't get my observation about consequential work "surfacing", e.g. being translated, which is just as demonstrative of notability as citations. Such work becomes known far beyond the borders of wars and disasters. Your claim that "there is absolutely no point in creating a biography which recaps the brief biological information" is non-sense: a stub of a notable person, even with just "brief biological information" is far more important to WP than 10 articles of obscure, non-notable individuals. And, as to: "I would never create a stub on WP. It is the fastest route to getting a file deleted that I know", you should know that much of WP is actually comprised of stubs – these do not get deleted if the subject is notable. You might wish instead to view stubs as placeholders that invite expansion...Agricola44 (talk) 23:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. What I actually prefaced the above quotation with was "Unless absolutely unavoidable..." In addition to my own creation of articles, I have expanded approximately 10 stubs per month to start class, but the truth of the matter is it is much easier to work on an article from scratch than to redo someone else's work. I produce a lot of documented content and occasionally look at an AfD if it comes into my radar. I typically avoid them, as they become drama-filled. Just because I defend an article at AfD does not mean that I would write that article. It means that in my estimation, it meets WP guidelines for inclusion. There are many articles on here that aren't remotely "encyclopedic" but fit the guidelines. I try to improve them. Others delete. That's the way that it is. I find it difficult that you engage by insulting people repeatedly. We work differently. That's okay, it isn't "non-sense." We shall agree to disagree. SusunW (talk) 23:56, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Marija Krucifiksa Kozulić:
Yesterday evening I started translating from sources from the French Wikipedia. Any way you have already written a very nice article. However, I have added some text and an img from two sources. PL verify if my translated version is OK. Thanks.-- Nvvchar . 02:37, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your additions are great. Once I realized she was actually Croatian, I worked from the Croatian article. Amazing what different sources we have access to. I asked Ian to look it over, as I was not entirely sure of the Italian translations. I love that factoid that the beatification started on the anniversary date of her oath. How cool!

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Caesars Palace
Coming along nicely. Can you or/and find more on Absinthe, PussyCat Dolls Lounge and OMNIA? I think we can get this to GA and it'll be worth it. I had rather hoped that would have been up for it. He did Cal Neva!♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Will try to look at it later this evening. Weeded through the last of the restaurants last night. Wish I could've found more on Bobby Flay's, but surprisingly I could not. SusunW (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. There's plenty on the restaurants now I think! There should probably be more on the casino stuff too considering that it's one of the world's elite casinos, but I've made a decent start with a Vegas gold box!♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If you or find some good lengthy quotes they can always go in gold boxes in the restaurant section anyway. I think there's enough though as it is. The Forum Shops could also use more detail I think.♦  Dr. Blofeld  22:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been on holiday for a few days. I had started to do some edits on Saturday night but promptly got dragged out of the hotel! :) Miyagawa (talk) 23:23, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe tomorrow. Today has been a long day. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:28, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Vera Fedorovna Gaze
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DYK for Fortifications of Xi'an
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Sibelius thanks
Thank you for reviewing the long composer article for DYK! I am sure it will be an FA easily then ;) Ipigott, please nominate! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your encouragement but I think I'll leave it alone for a while. There's quite a bit more I intended to do but the history section took far longer than planned (and as Susun knows, I've also been busy with other things). We need to expand on wife and family (perhaps a separate section). Far more should be added on "Legacy" which hardly covers the influence of his music on other composers. I simply have not had time to look into his students, some of whom certainly deserve special attention too. I would also like to be able to include more details in the lead on the basis of the Sgvrfjs draft but that will require extensive treatment of how S was influenced by other composers and a deeper analysis of what is so special about his music. I think we also need something on the major performances/recordings of his music. That will all take time. I was hoping there would be more extensive contributions to the article from others. Perhaps or some of the other classical music experts would like to assist or comment? --Ipigott (talk) 11:10, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I understand! (It was half a joke, because that was a very thorough review, making sure that every fact is referenced, while the DYK rules ask only that - rule of thumb - there be one ref per paragraph.) - Next year we will celebrate Max Reger, I would like to have "him" (so far under-referenced) a GA until his date of death in May, but certainly will not pursue FA if that prevents DYK at the same time. I plan to make his Requiem a FA, but better for a different date although it would be the most logical thing to have on a day of death. Logic and Wikipedia ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Gerda, not only Max Reger in 2016 but William Sterndale Bennett and Ferruccio Busoni ..... a lot of hard work ahead. --Smerus (talk) 12:53, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Soft work ;) - just listened to Elisabeth Schwarzkopf's Four Last Songs on radio, on her 100th birthday, and the comment: that was still Neue Musik when she recorded it (in 1966), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just sorry no one cleared it prior to the birthdate. I was scrolling through yesterday and saw it was still there. Next time drop me a note or something before the date and I'll be glad to review. SusunW (talk) 15:27, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No need to be sorry: they didn't want ANY DYK because we had a TFA about him (as Ipigott explained below). If there is such a rule - I wasn't in the mood to check and argue - we should discuss it for the future because it leads into the absurdity we had. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)


 * It is strange, isn't it, that different rules apply to GA and DYK. For DYK, en principe, there should be a clear citation for the hook whereas GA calls for no references in the lead. The ALT4 was more or less a summary of the whole article as expressed in the lead. As for not hitting 8 December, it had already been decided by the powers that be that we should not have the biography in parralel with the TFA on the unwritten eighth symphony. Be that as it may, the Jean Sibelius article has already had over 47,000 page views this month which is not at all bad for a classical composer. The DYK may attract some additional interest but my main concern was to get the article up to GA standard for the anniversary. Gerda has been helping us along with lots of other new articles on S's pieces, several on DYK. Thanks for all your help, Susun. Must have been quite an effort for someone who is not particularly interested in classical music.


 * Busoni might indeed be an interesting target for next April but like most of the older Wikipedia biographies on classical composers, the article has no in-line references. If it were possible to rewrite the whole thing from scratch, I might take it on but I am not prepared to go searching for citations to justify what has already been written. Maybe or  would be interested in helping out?--Ipigott (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree, really needs a complete rewrite.--Smerus (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No references in the lead (unless it's a quotation) is a rule for all articles, because it should be a summary of facts referenced in the body. Off to announce Christmas music such as Es ist ein Ros entsprungen (Sandström), - singing first, then playing piano, then writing, - hopefully little arguing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I enjoyed singing Es ist ein Ros entsprungen when I was in Vienna in my 20s. In Danish it's also sung at Christmas as En rose så jeg skyde. I'm also off to give a short presentation on Sibelius, condensing all the essentials into a ten-minute speech.--Ipigott (talk) 17:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I concur that the differences can cause confusion. No citations in the lede are required as it is a summary, but DYK does require a citation at the end of the facts that make up the hook, where ever in the article they appear. Both require that all statements be sourced, but GA follows the more standard practice that citations appear following each source and change only when the source changes. SusunW (talk) 16:54, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thankyou for all the work you do!

♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC) 
 * you are most welcome. I try to be helpful when I can. The kitten is lovely ;) SusunW (talk) 17:30, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I always feel guilty asking for your help on anything as you already do an enormous amount of work on here!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Never to worry. Ask, I will try. If I cannot, I will let you know ;) SusunW (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Gloria Lim
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DYK for Louise Hay (mathematician)
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DYK for Vera Faddeeva
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DYK for Catherine A. Lozupone
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DYK for Diana Marcela Bolaños Rodriguez
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DYK for Katherine Belov
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DYK for Una Ryan
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DYK for Una M. Ryan
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DYK for Riobamba (nightclub)
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DYK for Hank Sanicola
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DYK for Caesars Palace
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Mãe Menininha do Gantois
Do you think this article conforms to Portuguese naming convention? Can I post it on DYK?-- Nvvchar . 03:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * These ladies are fascinating, but confusing, which is why I put the history at the bottom of Cleusa's Article. Here's my analysis:

This is born out by your source http://g1.globo.com/bahia/noticia/2011/08/morte-de-mae-menininha-do-gantois-completa-25-anos-neste-sabado.html which says "Mãe Menininha era filha dos descendentes de africanos Joaquim e Maria da Glória" ... Mother Menininha was the child of [people of] African descent Joaquim and Maria da Glória. Do you concur with the analysis? It isn't original research, as it comes directly from the sources, but it is tough to figure out. I still am confused as to why her mother is da Gloria, but I can just put that in a note, if you agree this is correct SusunW (talk) 04:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Maria Júlia da Conceição Nazaré had two daughters "In this house lived Julia Maria da Conceição Nazareth, her daughters Pulcheria and Damiana and her granddaughter Maria da Gloria" (Francisco Nazaré was the husband of Maria Júlia da Conceição) AhHA so she was not Conceição Nazaré but rather do Nazaré?
 * Her daughter Pulchéria Maria da Conceição Nazaré had no children
 * her daughter Damiana Her surname isn't given, but it would be the same as her sister's da Conceição Nazaré
 * Pulcheria's niece Maria da Glória Nazaré must be the daughter of Damiana. But why is her name that? Matrilineal society, her name would be da Conceição Nazaré followed by her husband's name. Going back to the source, it says (Da união de Maria da Glória com Joaquim Assunção nasceu, nesta mesma casa, no dia 10 de fevereiro de 1894...Menininha: Of the union of Maria da Glória with Joaquim Assunção was born in this same house on the 10 February 1894 Menininha).
 * Maria Julia's granddaughter is Maria Escolástica da Conceição Nazaré but if Joaquim is her father, her name is Maria Escolástica da Conceição Nazaré Assunção.
 * Thanks for your views. I am also quite confused about the info from various sources; translation is also a problem. Please change the text as consider appropriate. Nvvchar . 05:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Yes, it is difficult. I think I have it sorted in the file. Let me know if it is confusing how I worded it and I'l rework it. SusunW (talk) 06:12, 6 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Your changes and additions are fine. I made some minor c/e. May like to nominate it on DYK. And also Marija Krucifiksa Kozulić for DYK. Nvvchar . 08:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I will do so. Will take me a day or so ;) SusunW (talk) 19:03, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This one is done Template:Did you know nominations/Marija Krucifiksa Kozulić SusunW (talk) 22:12, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I found a great source that says she helped legalize the religion. Did quite a bit of editing and now nominated her, here: Template:Did you know nominations/Mãe Menininha do Gantois SusunW (talk) 00:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent additions and edits. Thanks. Nvvchar . 01:07, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you kindly do the final review here. Thanks. Nvvchar . 14:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, been a crazy day. I don't see that anyone has made any changes except slight formatting ones since I reviewed it last. Is there something in particular you are concerned about? SusunW (talk) 23:31, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry I forgot to mention the article template. I meant this article Template:Did you know nominations/Almond production in Afghanistan. Thanks. Nvvchar . 13:57, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Did a few copyedits, not much. I, like you am confused why he cannot figure out how to access the table, but failing any other way to do it, I explained how to access the chart in "quote". If you look, you will see that it explains the procedure now, though why that is necessary, I am not sure. The page number was also evident to me, but maybe he's new to that style of citation? SusunW (talk) 18:43, 12 December 2015 (UTC)