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DYK for Women in brewing
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 * It's beer o'clock! Do they do IPA in Mexico? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  00:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 * LOL, I have zero clue. My beer drinking friends (and that is a huge number) tell me that we have an amazing variety of the bubbly stuff SusunW (talk) 18:46, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Catherine Kerrison
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 * Glad to see this has been promoted. As it's already been on DYK, I don't think it needs to be displayed there again. I see you've been doing a lot of work on Sirimavo Bandaranaike. Is she your next GA candidate?--Ipigott (talk) 08:36, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * yes I agree. Glad to have her done, such an important internationalist. On Bandaraanaike, I am finally down to her last term. It will definitely need a copyedit. I tried to follow the path of balancing her career with information on what the profile of the country was during her term, as the context was critical. Also to keep it NPOV, tried to balance internal and external sourcing, interesting to read it in a cold war context (external) verses domestic perception (internal). Alanna is going to work on the legacy section. Photos? and of course, the lede needs work, but we're getting there. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've been through Bandaranaike for basic copy editing. At almost 1000 kB, it's a pretty long article. I found the coverage of her health problems rather confusing. Her "failing health" is first mentioned in 1993, in 1994 we discover she was recovering from surgery, and shortly afterwards we learn of a foot ailment and diabetes complications. There are reports of her being in a wheel chair for her remaining years. Were all these related? Did she recover? Perhaps it would be useful to describe them separately, although there do not seem to be many sources specifically concerned with her health. Otherwise it was an intriguing historical account. Let me know if there's anything more specific I can do to help.--Ipigott (talk) 14:06, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks . I'm confused why you took the text back to American English? I copied each section into my spell checker and had it correct to British English, as I found no "Sri Lankan English" spell check. I couldn't find anything that specifically addressed her health, but diabetes often leads to problems in the extremities (and foot amputations), blindness, etc. I assumed they were all related complications of that disease, but I do not know. I'll see if I can find anything, but it's doubtful, as she denied she had any problems, but the snippets I put in about her health are widely reported. SusunW (talk) 15:02, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the American English. I tried to be as neutral as possible. I always use -ize rather than -ise as it is fully acceptable in British English too. But I noticed quite a bit a American syntax and also the use of words like program rather than programme - so I had actually assumed you were using American English. If you really want it to be more "neutrally international", then I think the only spelling that needs to be changed back is -or to -our. I'll just go ahead and take care of them now. Don't bother too much about her health. I just found it a bit confusing.--Ipigott (talk) 15:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, as I said, British English is hard for me, so I used a program to do it. I have no clue ;) I have searched again, but find nada more than the foot ailment, diabetes and heart attack. My guess is she denied any illness to appear strong. I find nothing definitive. SusunW (talk) 15:44, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your problems with British English. As far as the differences between American and British English are concerned, I have the advantage of having worked for five years in Canada and being involved in projects with the U.S. Air Force and software developers in San Diego for a further 18 years. Wikipedia editing over the past dozen years or so has also helped. As Shaw so aptly remarked: "England and America are two countries divided by a common language." Thanks to Hollywood and television, we are in fact less divided than we used to be.--Ipigott (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , oh so true. When we watch the rare television program here, it is usually British. Almost every time, I end up googling words I for which have no idea of their meaning ;) SusunW (talk) 18:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!
Thanks! Alanna the Brave, Ipigott and I have been working on it for Asia month and are about to nominate it for Good Article. She was far too important in women's history for her article to have been in the shape it was before we started. :) SusunW (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sophia Getzowa
After all the work we've been doing on the draft and background, I think it would be useful to tidy up the article, add a lead and move it to mainspace. Any work on the significance of her contributions to medical science could then follow from other contributors, once we have linked the article to relevant pages. As you will have noticed, I've now changed my mind on the English transliteration as Getzowa (rather than Getzova) is the way she is generally known.--Ipigott (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a weird one for sure. But so illustrative of the difficulty in locating information and writing about women. I had hoped to hear back from the archivist in Bern and the historian in Kiev, but have had no responses to my queries. I also am not remotely sure how to write the lede, as I don't know how to explain the significance of her work and no one we have contacted has helped with placing her research in context. Maybe if I can put it into shape to take it to main, we can tweet something that will generate interest in helping solve the mysteries of her life. SusunW (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * There are two things you could include in the lead. She carried out widely cited research on the thyroid, identifying solid cell nests (SCN) in 1907.. She was the first female professor in Jerusalem..--Ipigott (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll do that. Thanks! SusunW (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Perhaps who takes a wide interest in science could help out with her scientific achievements.--Ipigott (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation, but I don't have much experience or knowledge about the medical sciences. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:19, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not to worry, I posted it on the Wikiproject Medicine and hopefully someone can help.  I moved it to main space. SusunW (talk) 18:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Photo request petition - please sign
Hi! Can you please sign the petition to TASS and RIAN requesting them to release certain historic photos (many of them from WWII) for Wikimedia by adding your signature to the signature section? Also, please do spread the word to other Wikipedians. Thanks, --PlanespotterA320 (talk) 02:31, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. While we're asking, I'd love to have this one for an article I am working on. SusunW (talk) 15:44, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll add it to the list. And also, please feel free to add a note in the signature section.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I am working on an article on Nizoramo Zaripova (Низорамо Зарипова). Because she is still living (95 and counting) I cannot upload a fair use photo. Is there still time to add this to the list? SusunW (talk) 22:43, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Please add the request next to your signature with a link.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 22:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure I did it right,, I am not very technical, but it is there. SusunW (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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First World Congress of Jewish Women
Thanks very much, Susun, for the full 143-page cdn.alexanderstreet.com account of the congress you sent me by email. On the grounds of age alone, it must be public domain. It looks to me as if it should be included in full in some other Wikimedia project such as Wikisource, Wikibooks or even Commons. If you have any experience with this, please go ahead. If not, may be able to help. I have quoted the source in First_World_Congress_of_Jewish_Women simply as "".--Ipigott (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have no clue, sorry. The question would be, since it was printed in Vienna in 1923 is that in public domain? And I have no clue. If it is in the PD, then how to upload it? I think we all get my technical limitations on WP, but Rosie has experience with uploading documents, or knows who can do it. SusunW (talk) 15:52, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I am convinced it is public domain. So all we need is expertise in safeguarding it for wider perusal and as a basis for biographical sourcing. Maybe or her friend  could help too. Like you I am completely lost in the increasing confusion of the tangled Wikimedia web. When I first started contributing weekly library technology updates in three or four languages to the web in the mid-1990s, the order of the day was KISS — Keep It Short and Simple. Today it seems to be MESS — Make Everything Super Sophisticated! But then we septuagenarians should perhaps be leaving things to the more trippy tweens and twenties who should, of course, be the driving force of progress. (I believe at this point, to avoid conviction, I should probably add "LOL".) But to return to the subject, a few days ago I requested access to the international newspapers archive but I have not received permission yet. I was wondering if you could turn up any press photos of the Vienna congress. I know it was widely reported in both the local and international press.--Ipigott (talk) 16:31, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Something printed in Vienna in 1923 is not necessarily public domain in the US - the cut-off date is 1st January of that year. If it was printed without any named author, it is out of copyright. If it was printed with a named author, copyright expired 70 years after they died, which is not necessarily going to be the case. See File:Old Street station 1920.jpg as an example, which was published anonymously in 1929 and hence copyright expired in 2000 - you probably want something similar to that. might be able to give a more definitive answer. Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)  16:38, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Copyright for Austria is here. Hard to tell for sure without the publication to look at myself, but it looks like this is likely a jointly created work, meaning copyright wouldn't expire in Austria until 70 years after the death of the last author. Ritchie is also correct, that the PD date for the US is 1 Jan 1923. So looks like probably not public domain in either Austria or the US. The solution then is to wait until January 1, 2019, when the PD date for the US rolls over to January 1, 1924, and then upload locally on en.wiki as free in the US but not free in the source country using .   G M G  talk  16:49, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The mills of god grind slowly... There are no named authors in the publication although it is stated that some of the speeches are copied verbatim from the manuscripts of the named participants. If we really have to wait another 38 days for potential copyright to expire, then I think we might just about be able to survive the long wait. Up to now, we have waited some 13,500 days for the proceedings to come to our attention. Tempus fugit.--Ipigott (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen the link to the actual document to confirm that it was first printed in Austria vs. in the US. If in Austria, then everything said so far by holds true. But, if it was first published in the US on the date stated, then on January 1, 2019, the document could be uploaded to WikiSource so that everyone everywhere could access it.  I am leaning towards the Preface having been first published in New York as the organization's organ, The Jewish Woman, is/was published there. Have you seen this section regarding Proceedings of the World Conference of Jewish Women in 1923, ? I'll do some more digging as time permits, e.g. tomorrow is American Thanksgiving and I have family arriving soon. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Regarding Wikisource, my "go to" person is:
 * Regarding Austrian copyright, I'd defer to
 * I am not sure if everyone can access the link but it says 6-11 May 1923 and the preface states "This report is not a verbatim report of all the proceedings but contains merely the written papers prepared by the delegates of speakers on subjects prepared by them and most of the leading discussion. Ellinor Sachs-Barr, Anitta Müller-Choen, The Chair. Secretaries." That would lead me to think these two women were the authors? The last page states "Druckerei-U Verlags—A. G. Ignaz Steinmann IX., Universitätstrasse 6-8 Wien", i.e. the printer. No copyright marks appear, but I have no idea if that is irrelevant or not. SusunW (talk) 18:27, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for forwarding the link, . I was able to open the pdf and based on the last page (page 143), I think this booklet/document was originally printed by the organizing committee (e.g. not a person) in Vienna, which would make it PD now. Don't know if others agree with my opinion? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Umm...No I don't think so. As a collective work of "the delegates", we'd have to track down the death dates of all "the delegates" to determine when the last one died, and if that was 70 years ago or more. That makes it a collective work and not an anonymous one. Finding the definite death date for most turn-of-the-century mediocre people is a lost cause without serious resources and non-electronic archive access (read: digging through dusty boxes in a university basement somewhere).
 * But if we have no evidence that it was printed in the US within 30 days, then we can still upload it locally in 2019 as PD in the US. For someone to say otherwise they'd have to offer evidence that it actually was published in the US within 30 days, which is such a high burden of proof that it's damn near comical.  G M G  talk  22:58, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Worldcat only shows the one publication in Vienna. I perused other search engines with the same result. Lots of citings, all show published in Vienna, 1923. A search of copyright.gov results in "Public Catalog Copyright Catalog (1978 to present), Your search found no results. Refer to search examples, check spelling or try another search type." SusunW (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

In regard to your other question,, I have searched and searched. I find no photos on newspapers.com; newspaperarchive.com; or hathitrust. I did find two clippings that might be of use as both provide lenthy info and names: and pt 1, pt 2 SusunW (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Worldcat is finicky sometimes, but is probably good enough for our purposes. I however don't really get involved in Wikisource, and I do recommend that you reach out to Slowking4 over there (since they've been long blocked here, and haven't really expressed that much interest in reengaging with the en.wiki community).  G M G  talk  23:59, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Susun, for these articles. They will help to improve the coverage but for the time being I am not making any more major additions until the DYK comes up. In regard to newspaper reports, one of my sources gives quite an extensive account of the reports which appeared in the Austrian press. I'll let you know which they were when I have time. I don't know if they have all been digitized but I expect many of them have. Maybe the reason they didn't come up in your search is that they are all in German.--Ipigott (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Further to the above, the local papers which covered the event included the Wiener Morgenzeitung (long report on 7 May 1923), Wiener Szenen, Neue Freie Presse, Neues Wiener Journal (found, see below) and Deutschösterreichische Tageszeitung. See . The only one I was able to find on ANNO was Neues Wiener Journal, 10 and 12 May 1923. I also found short articles in Die Stunde 8 May 1923, Wiener Sonn- und Montags-Zeitung, 7 May 1923, but the others don't seem to be digitized. In any case, as far as I can see, none of the contemporary press reports include photographs.
 * In regard to copyright on the proceedings, I see the Austrian National Library listing on "World-Congress of Jewish women" does not include any authors, only the printer. Does that make things any easier?--Ipigott (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * , not sure., what do you think? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No. It's only anonymous if it's truly an anon work (comparatively rare), or if basically any reasonable effort to identify an author has failed (more common, but also weaker, since anyone may nominate for deletion if they actually can identify an author). But anyway, as I indicated above, this is a collective work, because we have authors for each individual section. So we would have to go through and be like "Ruth Eicholz...okay she died in 1933...Berta Eschelbacher...1941..." ending at some point almost certainly with something like "Berta Pappenheim...crap...she lived to be 104 and didn't die until 1967. So the entire work wouldn't be PD in Austria until...61 plus 70 equals 2031."
 * And all that's assuming a best case scenario where each individual was notable enough in their own right that there actually is an available and identifiable public record of their death. If we can identify an author but not a death date, then we pretty much have to err on the side of assuming someone in there probably died 1949 or later, meaning no PD. Copyright is stupid, and cross-national copyright for collective works is even stupider. But thems the breaks. G M G  talk  15:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for these clarifications. Then the only solution seems to be to make sure we include all important information in the article on the congress and in the biographies covering the participants. I intend to work on this as time permits and once the DYK has been posted.--Ipigott (talk) 09:01, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you ...
... for article quality improvements in October! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing . You are so thoughtful and encouraging. I truly appreciate your support ;) SusunW (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ... and in November! - Thank you for mentioning "encouraging"! - I miss a friend who encouraged me, actually making the difference between leaving and staying. Have you voted? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I so agree, encouragement makes all the difference and I really appreciate your commitment to others. I really enjoyed focusing on Central Asian politicians (see how I combined two editathon themes :) .) Our coverage on the Central Asia is really pretty bad, so it seemed to me that was begging for focus. SusunW (talk) 15:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I took your DYK nom (my 200th review this year) for my Template:Did you know nominations/Tönet, ihr Pauken! Erschallet, Trompeten! BWV 214 which pictures a woman and is kind of late, hint hint ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Ros', Belarus
Hello! What did you mean by this edit? I deleted you addition, because it does not make sense for me. --94.142.111.37 (talk) 11:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks perfectly reasonable to me. See .--Ipigott (talk) 10:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I never understand the logic of interpreting things in our own narrow view. I didn't answer, because a simple google showed it was reasonable, but I am not going to get into an edit war over it. SusunW (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably the reader was confused (the same as me) because of redirect to Ruthenia. --Rausch (talk) 14:01, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * Welcome aboard. FYI, Hathitrust is a great source for out of print/copyright items. Anytime you have questions, feel free to ask and I'll try to help. SusunW (talk) 21:48, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Lola Alvarez Bravo
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Merry Christmas!
Happy editing into 2019 and beyond! -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you Steve. Hope that you and yours have a wonderful holiday season. SusunW (talk) 13:55, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Asian Month 2018 postcard - info needed!
Hello! Kevin from Wikipedia Asian Month here. Thank you very much for your contributions this year. Because you have created at least 4 eligible articles, you are qualified to receive a special WAM postcard from an Asian community. If you would like one, please fill out this form by January 10. All personal information you submit will only be visible to select organizers in charge of postcards, and will be destroyed once postcards are sent out. If you have any questions, please drop a line on my talk page or ping me. Thank you, and happy holidays! ~ Super  Hamster  Talk Contribs 01:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks May you have a wonderful holiday season. No point in trying to send mail here, I promise it will not arrive. I enjoy learning about the people whose stories I write, that is reward enough. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lola Álvarez Bravo
Hello! Your submission of Lola Álvarez Bravo at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Sirimavo Bandaranaike
Hi, I just want to thank you for your work on Sirimavo Bandaranaike. I know you were working in the Women in Green project but nonetheless it is an important piece in the scope of Sri Lankan articles, and your efforts are much appreciated. I support the project and want to know how I can suggest some other Sri Lankan women in the project to be expanded to Good article status? I think Minnette de Silva is a great candidate for this, she is recognised as one of the most famous female architects in the world and Sri Lanka’s first modernist architect, among other accolades. Here is a recent biography about her. Her work and legacy is of real value to not only women but all architects in Asia and the world. Its a real shame her article is so poor. I'd like to find some support for this article. What do you think? Once again thanks!--Blackknight12 (talk) 14:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I truly enjoyed working on her. As you can see from the talk page on WIG, project members are very interested in diversifying the articles we work on to be more representative of our world and not so UK/US focused. There are lots of ways you can participate. Join the project, make suggestions on the talk page, start an article improvement and ask for collaborators. We often work in tandem, especially because finding sourcing is always the problem. It is often really important to have local contacts who know where to find them, as you did for Bandaranaike. Our 2019 goals are to try to nominate 20 suffragists and 20 other women. 40 is a huge goal, so we will need help to get there. De Silva looks like she would be a fabulous addition. I'm hip deep in Aletta Jacobs right now, but will be glad to try to help you improve de Silva in the future. If you want to get started right away, just post on the WIG talk page and ask for collaborators to help. SusunW (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)