User talk:Sven Manguard/2010

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=September=

A Poem
He came at night. The children were sleeping. The dog was in the yard. The parents were 'occupied' and otherwise unavailable. He booted up the computer, went to Wikipedia, and began his work. A light went on in the master bedroom. He had been careless, and now he had to flee. The parents came into the room. The computer was still on, but no one was there. They looked at the screen. It was still on Wikipedia, but no one was logged in. Had anything happened? The parents couldn't tell for sure. Something was different though. A recent change patrolman had noticed it, but thought nothing of it. In the dead of night, he struck. Another page was branded with a shiny new template. In the dead of night, he struck. Again.

The anonymous IP edit you reverted
Thank you for reverting the vandalism on Mark Teixeira, but in the future, please use the warning templates for vandalism. That IP has been associated with a lot of vandalism, and a polite note isn't going to stop it. However, by going up the chain with the four levels of templates, we can block users from editing once they've continued to disregard warnings. --Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I am not exactly new to Wikipedia, and only felt the need to get an account recently, as I can no longer edit semi-protected pages without an account. Once my account is auto-confirmed I will use Twinkle to apply the messages (in other words, two more days.) Thanks though, Sven Manguard (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Twinkle is a great way to simplify the process. Happy editing!  --Muboshgu (talk) 17:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article List of recurring characters in Futurama, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  15:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Thanks for working to keep Wikipedia sourced, but I went ahead and put the change back. Yes, there is not a single reliable source for this, but as it is a TV program, getting reliable sources is at the mercy of people interviewing show staff. There is an overwhelming concensus that Elzar is a parody of Emeril Lagase, as they share mannerisms, catchphrases, and the TV show/NY resturant setup. Not to be rude, but I find it odd that you would single out my change, as only about 20% of the content of that page is cited, and 20% is high for a television show. Cheers, Sven Manguard (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing. The person that reverted my contribution was Noq which begs the question as to why you are placed this warning. I undo changes often enough without giving warnings, usually for trivial and non-malicious things. It's Noq's decision whether or not to leave a warning, not yours. This is not a personal attack, mind you, rather a lesson in courtesy. If you made the revert I would have no problem with you leaving the warning. Sven Manguard (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone may leave a note to explain our policy on adding sourced material. The fact that the reverting user chose not to leave a note on your talk page explaining why, doesn't mean I can't so so. And frankly calling it discourteous for me to leave a polite note explaining why your edit was reverted and what you should do in future, is ridiculous. As for singling out your edit, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Thanks.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  19:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to List of recurring characters in Futurama. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. You may also wish to review WP:3RR as continuing to reinsert this material could violate the linked policy. If you feel strongly about this addition, you're welcome to bring it up for discussion on the article's Talk page. Thank you. -- Doniago (talk) 16:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. I know when I'm beat. For the record, I won't admit that the information itself is incorrect, quite the contrary, I am sure of its accuracy, but I see how that is not enough. I won't push the issue... much. Sven Manguard (talk) 17:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I see... apparently this debate has been going on for a few months. Didn't see the talk page until now. Ah well, if I stumble on a source, I'll let them know. Sven Manguard (talk) 17:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your understanding Sven. I don't doubt the reference myself, but the standard for WP is verifiability, not truth. My feeling is that this may be a situation where nobody who'd constitute a reliable source ever bothered to state it because they felt it was obvious...which unfortunately leaves us in a bit of a bind. I think someone on the talk page recommended the DVD commentaries, but I can't recall any commentary actually mentioning the Elzar-Emeril connection. Anyway, thanks again for your understanding, and best of luck if you decide to go source-hunting! Doniago (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

@Doniago: Yeah, I get you. Sucks that it has to be that way, but your point is valid. I had no idea I was stepping into an existing situation when I did the edit. @Giftiger: If you read what I said again, my point was that it was Noq's decision as to whether or not it needed bringing up. If you hadn't posted, I might never have known about the revert, and would more than likely not have cared. By getting involved as you did, all you could possibly hope to achieve was poking a stick at the hornet's nest. I wasn't going to say this earlier, as I wanted to try to be polite, but you made a really crappy call. My interactions with you and with Doniago demonstrate how I can take criticism, but dislike it when people blindly place warning messages. I hope not to hear from you again on this issue. Sven Manguard (talk) 01:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:CIVIL is all I have to say on this matter.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  12:06, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Since you really want to keep coming back and pushing when there is absolutely no compelling reason to do so, I am going to give you one piece of advice. Stop posting here. I said it once before, pretty much in the line directly before this, when I said "I hope not to hear from you again on this issue." Give me six weeks to completely forget about this before you even think to come back here for any other reason. Your continued posting serves no purpose and will only make me angrier. Sven Manguard (talk) 19:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

hola homie
hello, whats good -previous unsigned comment placed by 76.15.77.15
 * Hi 76.15.77.15, do you need anything? Sven Manguard  Talk  02:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Response from WookieInHeat
hey, thanks for the barnstar, but it wasn't really my quick work. i was just using WP:HUGGLE rather than WP:TWINKLE, i revert the users edit and huggle automatically warns or reports the user. thanks for the commendation none the less though. cheers WookieInHeat (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Your AIV report
Hi. Trying to create an autobiography, or even advertising a company or product, isn't really vandalism unless the attempt is pursued after several warnings. We are so keen to encourage people to come and contribute that we do not do a good job of explaining up-front what Wikipedia is not, e.g. not a sort of super-Myspace; so they can't reall y be blamed if they start off with inappropriate articles. WP:VANDALISM is a useful guide, including a section on what is not vandalism. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. There is a specific template, uw-auto for autobiographers,which points them to WP:AUTO. JohnCD (talk) 09:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll just CSD any blatant promo-only pages and leave the accounts for more experienced editors. Sven Manguard  Talk  18:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

FC Barcelona
I just edit while I'm watching the match. There are a few websites that are pretty good, Total Barça, Barça Loco and if you read Spanish try El Mundo Deportivo & Sport.La Fuzion (talk) 22:20, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, well I was watching it live on ESPN3.com, as I do whenever Barca games are on, but I waited until after the game. Thanks for the advice. Also, is there a Wikigroup for Barca fans? Sven Manguard  Talk  22:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * IDK since I just tend to edit numerous article. If you find one let me know please... La Fuzion (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can have a look at the talkpage of FC Barcelona to track the progress of the featured topic progress. The work that is missing is getting (in order of importance) Camp Nou to GA, History to GA, La Masia to GA, Supporters to FA (and rest of GA to FA). Sandman888 (talk) 12:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much!
My second barnstar ever. Thanks! Appreciated. NickCT (talk) 06:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oddly, my second barnstar awarded ever, and while I was awarding it to you, the same vandal came back and tore up my space. Keep up the good work. Sven Manguard  Talk  07:02, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Spongebob Squarepants (Season 7)
That was not vandilism! (Fowen123 (talk) 11:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC))
 * I'm really not sure what you are talking about. I had a two edit revert of an IP that removed a large amount of legitimate looking content, which for the record, has not been re-removed. Look at this edit comparison. If I made a mistake, I'm sorry, but it seems like the IP removed a bunch of information. Sven Manguard  Talk  14:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

=October=

Listing articles for deletion
Hi Sven. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I appreciate your efforts. In some of the articles you have recently listed for deletion, you metioned that they were small. These articles can be tagged with a stub template. You also mentioned some as unsourced. These can be tagged with a citation template. You have also mentioned merging in some AfDs. These articles can be tagged with a merge template. These reasons are not sufficient to list an article for deletion per our deltion policy. Could you please be more careful of this in the future? Thanks. Also, It is not appropriate to remove references from articles during an AfD, as you did here, as they may be used to verify information other than notability or added during the course of improving an article during its AfD. Thank you. -   Hydroxonium (talk) 17:00, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarifications. I was actually listing them for AfD because they fell in the rare category in WP:N where something can be sourced but is not notable. I saw these as episodic type content in a named series of documentaries. The practice in television series is to have a listing of episodes with short descriptions, and pages only for a few select episodes. I saw that the listing page already existed and wanted to delete what were, at the time, one line pages with identical content to that of the summaries. In the future I will be clearer. Sven Manguard  <b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  17:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

dynamic content
Hi, Sven. I just happened to notice your comment re User:Snottywong/sig and was pointing you at my user page which uses the same sort of techniques to make the page render different content under various conditions. If you like SW's techniques, you'll love mine. His sig has to fit in 256 characters, while my user page does about 30kb of that sort of thing. I thought you'd be interested. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:08, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I got that after the first post. Sorry if I seemed angry, I was just stunned-confused. Thanks for showing me. I am a liberal arts type of guy, advanced coding isn't my forte. I can give you a good prediction on the future of post Kim Jung Il inter-Korean relations but if it isn't really basic HTML or Wordpress I can't code for a website. If the code to make the color of the shadow change dropped in my lap I'd use it, but short of that I'm utterly hopeless. BTW you have the weirdest collection of information in a userspace I have ever seen. "I am a sock" is a new one. Kudos. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:gold 0.08em 0.08em 0.08em;"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem; and I saw your 'nevermind' just after I posted here. This sort of thing is seriously non-trivial, for a wiki. S.Korea took a hard look at Germany's reunification and are balking at the huge costs... and, of course, the north still has a bit of kick left in it. I think that China will eventually push for a mellower North, and things will sort peacefully. I'd be interested in your take. I am a sock — Wikipedia's only street-legal sock, actually. It's all old stuff, though so don't worry about it. I've been here for a very long time ;) I do a lot of code; I also have done a lot of other things, like design the lighting for an excellent(said the reviews;) production of Cabaret. Cheers, Jack Merridew 04:33, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Cracking the Quran Code
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Cracking the Quran Code. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 19:39, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Behavior
It was ridiculous to single my IP address out, given that I was only asking questions based on the allegations in the article. My editing history is irrelevant. Now that the talk page is deleted (once again) there is absolutely no context. 69.140.102.40 (talk) 03:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Luckily for you, all involved parties get ANI notices, and no one looks at one as being bad at all. I "singled you out" because your first post in a month's time was controversial and in a location that a casual surfer would be unlikely to find. It was suspicious. I mentioned it as such, as there seem to be a lot of low usage accounts buzzing around this article. This raises the possibility of a WP:CANVASSING incident. If you're innocent, nothing will come of this. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

re:Meatpuppetry on WP:Articles for deletion/Soccer Matrix
You may also want to take a look at Sockpuppet investigations/Mandolinface. Do you think this ought to go to ANI as well? 2 says you, says two 04:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No need. Sock will deal with it just fine. This is a clear WP:DUCK situation. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

We apologize
We simply felt wookieinheat had an agenda and were adding only what we found. We will no longer use or bother with the Salisbury family or any other person on wikipedia. We have no idea what is truth and what isnt such as what we read and put down. Thank you and we are done with editing ever again on wikipedia. Salisbury was found notable and we thought he was now we dont know about vogue not being real or even the newspaper articles. So that is it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.160.210.32 (talk) 06:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what is going on. There are guides on editing and I'm sure more experienced editors can give you assistance. I'm sorry if you feel mistreated. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

fyi
When using a sig in a template like, all you need to do is. The 1= forces it to parse properly. → ROUX   ₪  07:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully I'll remember that. BTW was I correct in marking it resolved or did I overstep myself? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. And I have no idea, I haven't been paying attention to that section, just saw your edit summary on my watchlist, looked at the diff, and figured I'd let you know. Same syntax goes in most templates. → ROUX   ₪  07:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

further info regarding this ANI discussion
(removed information)

I removed that entire block of information. Please do not post other people's personal information on my userspace. I want nothing to do with it, as it can only lead to administrators getting all touchy. I don't really have the time this weekend to get into this. I've seen you enough to know you're a good editor, I'll leave this in your hands. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

lol
I appreciate the laugh..., haven't had much time lately but i do try to follow up on the little things.. Cheers - 4twenty42o (talk) 21:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Without humor, humanity would go insane and die. It's SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN!  Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Eman sdrawkcab
Nice one - I usually look at things from both directions at once, but I didn't see that one... Peridon (talk) 21:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the hatemonger, someone else caught that. I forget who, but believe me I'd love to take credit, the guy needed to go. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  22:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

User talk:75.47.138.166
Note, per WP:BLANKING, users are allowed to blank their own talk page, including warning messages. There's a limited list of items they cannot blank from their user space. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:19, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but because there is an active AIAV on the IP, I am preserving them until a decision has been reached. The way I see it, he's hiding evidence in an ongoing investigation. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Admins can view the history - there's nothing in the WP:BLANKING policy that says they cannot blank the content during an investigation. As a side note, you were at 3RR on the talk page, and restoring talk page content is not a listed exception to the 3 revert rule.
 * I noticed that another admin blocked the user ... while their behavior is suspicious, the 2nd and 3rd warnings were not valid. Although they oddly posted a sockpuppet notice to their own talk page; which if true is a reason to block. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:31, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the policy lessons. I honestly did not know that IPs were not allowed to remove their own warning notices. Considering that I thought that it was vandalism, 3RR never crossed my mind. In the future, I will modify my behavior accordingly. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Windjet Flight 243 AfD
Sven, just a note to say don't feel bad about the resuld of the AfD. Obviously, the issue you raised at ANI did affect the final outcome, but you raised a valid issue in good faith. I did see your final post at ANI, and just want to say that I don't generally close AfD discussions anyway. It is bad form for any editor to close an AfD that they have !voted in, unless the nominator withdraws the nomination and no delete votes have been made, in which case anyone can close. Mjroots (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hunh? I actually had to look this up to figure out what you meant. This wasn't a big issue for me and the outcome really doesn't affect me much at all. What angered me more was the WP:CIVIL stuff, not the AfD itself. Even then, once I realized that WP:CIVIL is a complete farce put on by the community in order to keep up appearances, the CIVIL stuff bothered me significantly less as well. Thanks for the support though. And remember, it's okay to be a complete jerk, to the point that no one wants to work with you or be around you, as long as you don't make personal attacks. If there's one thing that that ANI taught me, it was that. Thanks for keeping me in the loop, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Leporidae
A colony, warren, nest, herd (domestic only), litter (young); specific to hares...A down, husk. -- Rrburke (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I suppose herd is the term, although I remember an episode of Ed, Edd, and Eddy where "flood" would have been more appropriate, and I have this shirt where "lone killing machine" would be more appropriate, but I suppose swarm just won't do. Thanks, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  17:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive edits
I was only providing data to begin a discussion on the edit war. I'm not vandalizing anything, but if you believe that I am not allowed to begin a discussion, then I won't —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.251.114 (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, please do, next time though, just use a link to the content. What happened was that I saw this same block of text posted in various places for the past few minutes, and noticed you had a level 3 warning already (which should be level one, I will fix this for you.) I thought you were spamming information, but your actions appear to be okay. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

EW
Alas, my "EW" is with an IP user who does not have a talk page. Otherwise I'd be happy to talk with IP to discuss. Still, I did add discussion to each of the pages involved, citing the basis for reverting the edits. (E.g., WP:SYNTHESIS) Your EW warning is fully understood and appreciated -- I'll behave. (But can I offer a as a bribe to let me off the hook?)  ;-) --S. Rich (talk) 20:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not the person that gave you the 3RR warning. Thanks for the cookie, but I actually feel a bit bad about this whole thing (see directly above.) This was the first edit war I've seen and I didn't realize it wasn't just plain vandalism. You want User:SarekOfVulcan for the forgiveness cookie. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Opps -- I actually came back to your page to correct my message. I'm going to copy and paste to SarekOfVulcan right now. Thanks!!--S. Rich (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I Am No Limit
I've declined the speedy tag you placed on I Am No Limit. The reason I declined it is because the current content of the page, a redirect, is not what was deleted under Articles for deletion/I Am No Limit. For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:36, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. That's probably a good call anyways. I saw the consensus was delete but a page existed, so I tagged it. Since I'm not an admin or a researcher I can't see what has already been deleted, so it was a shot in the dark, so to speak. Thanks for the due dilligence and for informing me of my mistake, I'll be more careful in the future. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You actually aren't required to make a shot in the dark on this. You can see that I Am No Limit was deleted as the result of an Articles for Deletion discussion and subsequently as spam and a recreation (see the logs for this page). CSD G4 could only be applied to the first. Were the page deleted there a redirect, the discussion would have been at Redirects for Deletion, not Articles for Deletion. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged revisions, underwent a two-month trial which ended on 15 August 2010. Its continued use is still being discussed by the community, you are free to participate in such discussions. Many articles still have pending changes protection applied, however, and the ability to review pending changes continues to be of use.

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If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I won't abuse the trust you and the community have shown. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:34, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Rugby World XV
Sven,

I'm somewhat confused about what Rugby World XV is now. Please answer my question at Articles for deletion/Rugby World XV (not here or on my talk page) D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  04:11, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit war
Hello, yes, I agree, I've been pushing it with the edits made in pages like Tifa. I would however like to inform you of the entire picture. You can find the majority of the issue at Talk:Cloud Strife. Basically, I found the use of fantasy casting in several FF7 character articles to be useless and in violation of various wiki policies, but was asked to get a consensus on whether or not to remove them. Well, I did as such, and everyone who has discussed the topic but Tintor has agreed that they should not be included in the pages. I let the issue be discussed for a week before I removed them, just to let a consensus get as fully reached as possible. I've even put up a request for comment from other parties on the talk section, but Tintor seems to not want to go along with it. Perhaps you have a suggestion that can help solve this? I've achieved a consensus, I've tried the dispute resolution that seemed to fit the most with the problem, but he still wants to just keep putting them back. Most of my other removals are still in place as of me writing this to you, aside from Tifa, who I did not link to the talk in my last removal. I won't change it for another 24 hours to deal with the revert rule, but I thought you should see this so maybe you could put it back before then. 68.55.153.254 (talk) 01:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have achieved consensus, and there is proof you are in the right, I would advise you take this to the administrators, who can either "tell" him to stop or block him for disruption. Try Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring or Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The first is the better option, the second is more likely to get seen quickly, so I'd use it only if this picks up again. Best of luck, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I read up on it, per your request. While your edits are within consensus, it is still edit warring, by technicality at least. I do believe that Tintor2 is more in the wrong, but there is a process for this, designed to prevent endless adding and reverting of the same thing. Please go and report this, then tell me. I'll weigh in there. Best of luck, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No consensus was reached. Discussion it's still ongoing and it seems stubborn removing reception just because it's an article of fancasting although it makes similar comments to the ones from reception sections.Tintor2 (talk) 02:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, as a completely uninvolved and neutral editor, I am telling you that there is clear consensus against you. If you keep making the changes you are going to get blocked for disruptive editing. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Consensus? But for what guidelines? The IP kept saying the problem was undue (although he first it was unreliable and crystal ball, while the undue problem was mentioned by another user), although it is not explained why. Undue because the articles are too big? Then why not remove another sources? Undue because it's out of context? That's why I rewrote them as explained in Talk:Cloud Strife to leave them in context.Tintor2 (talk) 02:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No. I'm not getting into this. Read what everyone else is saying. They explain it clearly. Step back for a moment and admit that you might be on the wrong side of this argument. Clearly at least four people have told you so. Now you need to stop making the changes that you made earlier today, because further attempts to insert them will be seen as a continuation of an edit war, and you will wind up banned for it. Go to the proper channels if you have a problem. Unless this winds up on an administrator noticeboard or you start making the edits again, we're done here. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I already explained that in the last 12 hours, in such talkpage I admitted my mistake, but even after fixing that, the IP kept ignoring me and moreover, he kept removing info. Still saying there was a consensus and the sentence kept breaking guidelines (ironic considering they now where like the other sources in the article).Tintor2 (talk) 02:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't want to have any more to do with this unless it goes to AN/I or AN/3RR. Please? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you understand my argument, then why only leave a warning on my talk page? Additionally, the anon kept removing such info few hours ago.Tintor2 (talk) 02:51, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Stop posting here! I don't want my talk page to become another front in this dispute. I told you this twice already. If you continue to post here, your comments will be removed without further warning. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Help and thank you.
(moved for congruity)

I've taken your advice and reported the whole incident of the edit warring here:. I'd also like to point out that since he was warned by you the other day, he's reverted the edits made to Cloud and Vincent's pages. I'm not asking you to jump into it or anything, but just pointing it out if you need to comment on it in the report above. I'd also like to take the opportunity to apologize for essentially dragging you into this whole thing as I've seen how the other user started turning the old section into a big argument on here. But thank you again for your help. 68.55.153.254 (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Look, I'm sorry for responding to him that last time, but as I said, I'm not arguing with him about it anymore and letting the admins handle it now. I haven't even talked to him since I put the report up. Sorry, I just don't know why you snapped at me too.  I'm sure your patience has been tested heavily by Tintor recently during this whole thing and I'm not going to argue with you over this because I know you've stuck your neck out when you didn't have to. Anyway, thank you again for the help. 68.55.153.254 (talk) 03:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Special Talk
sir, are you online? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garvitkamboj (talk • contribs) 04:28, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, no, I came in really quick to check in on the miners, but it's 12:30 local and I need to actually sleep occasionally. If this is in regards to the image, you shouldn't remove CSD tags, but contest the deletion in the proper area. If you can release the image for free use, which requires you own the image, not just work for the owners, you have to upload it saying that, and you might need to verify this via email if a concern arises. If you need something, I might be online tomorrow afternoon, and I should be around Friday. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, and most importantly, the image needs to be on a Wikipedia article page. Otherwise, even if it is free use, it will get deleted. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>

Sir i am new to wikipedia i created an article about my college Manav Rachna College Of Engineering. could you please help me to improve this article. some sort of advice please. it took a whole day to create that article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garvitkamboj (talk • contribs) 04:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks very good as a new article. It will need copyediting by someone more familiar with the way Wikipedia formats and writes articles, but the big thing is this. All most all of your sources are from the university itself. You need to find and properly insert sources that are not from the university. The policies you will want to be familiar with are WP:SOURCES and more importantly WP:NOTABLE. I think once it has outside sources it will easily meet notability, and then the article is in the clear. You did an excellent job, by the way. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:51, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * thanks sir. But as i am new to wikipedia. i dont understand the image policy. bcoz i can find the logo on the website only. sir please advice me to how to use a image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garvitkamboj (talk • contribs) 04:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * the article page also says it needs to be reviewed. sir can u review it. it would be a great help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garvitkamboj (talk • contribs) 05:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I inserted an image of the logo for you. I advise you allow the other one to be removed, as it is just easier that way. I will work on this tomorrow, (roughly 12 hours from now) and get it in as good a condition as possible. I admire your dedication to this. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to go now, I'm sorry, but it's 1:00 AM where I am. This will have to wait until morning. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sir you are online again?Garvitkamboj (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

HELP HELP
(moved up for congruity) HELLO SIR PLEASE HELP ME ON MY ARTICLE Manav Rachna College Of Engineering. ONE EDITOR IS TAGGING IT AS AN ADVERTISEMENT. PLEASE SEE THE ARTICLEGarvitkamboj (talk) 17:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't see the tag. I told you I'd look at it on Friday, and I will, on Friday. It won't get deleted by then, no process works that fast except CSD, and I don't think the article is eligible for that. It has to be really bad to get CSDed. Don't worry so much, it'll all work out.  Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

ANI McMahan thread
Hi, Sven! I want to cordially thank you for bringing the McMahan article to the attention of the community at ANI, and especially for your willingness to step back from the thread once the Village Voice editor responded in kind and called you names. I know from experience that it's very, very difficult not to answer back when unpleasant charges are casually thrown your way, and you're much to be commended for the maturity you exercised in not responding to his provocation at all. Your restraint allowed the thread to continue in a much more productive way than would have otherwise been possible, imo, and I honor you for it, sir. I'm not sure what will end up happening with the thread, but if it comes to a !vote at ANI, as seems probable, I hope you'll rejoin the process there to make sure your opinion is counted. Best regards, – <font face="Cambria"> OhioStandard  (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose you will have to forgive me for breaking your altruistic vision of me, but I stopped posting because I saw more experienced editors had started taking care of it, and I actually forgot it was there. I did respond once you reminded me of the thread, and was shocked to see how much it took off. While my posting did not go into personal attacks, and I stayed above the belt, I did respond, at the bottom, in the section titled something like "What Have I Started?" Now that personal attacks are being leveraged against me though, I will take a more active approach towards monitoring the thread. I hope I can live up to your standards in the future, even if I might not be able to now. Thank you, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  16:30, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Plot Structure Attribution Reversion
Ok, what's the reason that Wikipedia (and you) insist on calling Freytag's model of plot structure "Plot Structure" as if (a) it were not the innovation of a particular person, and (b) other ways of looking at the plot can and do not exist?65.96.146.159 (talk) 02:21, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree; you reverted a non-vandalism edit. Can you please explain why? / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yikes. I didn't mean to revert the first of those two, only the second one, where he changed the level two header. I reverted the level two header because it changed the meaning of the section, minimalizing it, and limiting its scope. For the IP, if you have an issue with the balace being in favor of one person's theory, I encourage you to find a source that helps balance it out. Sorry about this. I'll go fix the issue. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are only supposed to use rollback for blatant vandalism, don't forget. If you disagree with a regular content change, then you should discuss it first (or find sources yourself). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  02:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right. While there is no good excuse for the revert, I think part of the problem is that I saw someone adding "according to (name)" in a header, and the instinct that it was a prank kicked in. The rest of the justification came after I had already subconsciously decided something was wrong. I am sorry for the revert, 65.96.146.159. I hope it's the last bad one I make, and I will work towards that objective. And thanks for the guidance Fetchcomms. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The "original poster" here. It seems that there's a procedural question about Sven's edit reversion, which I will suppose has been resolved.  However, the content question remains:
 * [Sven writes] "I reverted the level two header because it changed the meaning of the section, minimalizing it, and limiting its scope."
 * Yes, this was the effect of the edit, and it is the correct effect for the article. ALL of the content in this article about "plot structure" is accurate, WITHIN Freytag's assessment of plot.  But there are MANY assessments of plot and plot structure, which this article by its framing implicitly disallows, because the heading setup presupposes Freytag's analysis.
 * Further, the information is misleading and incomplete in that it does not attribute Freytag, other than implicitly by the inclusion of the illustration.
 * If you need evidence of this, compare and contrast the information in "plot structure" with WIKIPEDIA'S OWN ENTRY "Dramatic Structure" and notice that you could swap the section called FREYTAG'S ANALYSIS in to the plot subsection "Plot Structure" making only minor changes: They are nearly identical.  But the Plot section LACKS any attribution to Freytag (or to any human), it LACKS the section "Criticism [of Freytag's Analysis]" and it STRONGLY IMPLIES that Freytag's analysis is the only existing or possible way of looking at plot.  WHY WAS THIS EDIT UNDONE AND WHY HAS IT NOT BEEN RE-INSTATED?  DO BASIC RESEARCH.
 * Well now. You just went from making a sound argument to yelling and being insulting in a very short amount of time. Cool it. I already said the edit wasn't vandalism. You can work on the article if you want. I don't care as long as all the rules get followed. Just don't ever yell at me again. I might have made a mistake, but nothing serious enough to warrant your tone. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  18:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I disagree. You reverted an edit based on the simple fact that it changed what was said in the article to something else (which was more correct).  I and someone else called you on it, and you came back with some story about how your "instincts" kicked in -- and corrected half your error.  And (if it isn't clear to anyone else reading this), the first half of my above comment went without reply for hours, and it wasn't until my follow-up, that ended in CAPS, that you bothered to reply -- and then you replied within ten minutes.  You have a chip on your shoulder.  You ought to be in this for the accuracy of Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.23.40 (talk) 18:30, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I really don't give a crap what you think. I happen to have come online at 2:00 PM local time. Don't expect me to cowtow to your schedule. The fact that you took this mistake personally is not a good sign. I'm going to say this once, and only once. Do whatever the heck you want with the article. Just stop posting here. This issue was resolved days ago and your bringing it here shows me that you want to fight, not to edit. I don't want this fight. I don't want to interact with you at all, because quite frankly, if this keeps up, it's going to get ugly. For that reason, I am invoking the right to remove any further comments you place here that are not calm and constructive. You have been warned. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  18:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

RHack Page
I am just a little confused as to why the RHack page is being deleted. I didn't create the page, but I am a fan of RHack and have heard his music before. Could you please clarify the basis that you have for nominating this page for deletion?

Scholar231 (talk) 02:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)Scholar 231


 * I'm not nominating it for deletion, I'm just preventing the CSD tag from being removed. Only an admin can remove it, unless it was placed in bad faith, in which case anyone can remove it if they provide a reason in the edit summary. Since you aren't an admin, and you didn't leave an edit summary, I reverted the CSD removal as a matter of protocol. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well is there any way that the page can be prevented from being deleted? I have already added the hang on tag, and placed my argument in the talk section, but I don't exactly understand how the deletion process works. My friends I and wanted to create a page for RHack because we want him to be more exposed, but we were told that it was nominated for deletion because there is no significance to him. But if he is a possibly up and coming artist, wouldn't that be significant enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scholar231 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey!
That's my Wikiglobe template invention--and you're free to use it. Thanks for all the help. Cheers, JNW (talk) 03:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the permission. I was planning on letting you know, it was on the top of my list of things to do after the episode of Eureka I was watching on Netflix ended. Sorry about that. Hope you enjoy the collection though. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I got a kick out of it. For me the diversion was Mad Men tonight, with a plot twist I didn't buy at all. JNW (talk) 03:47, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I just finished season 3 of Eureka and I'm dreading season 4. It seems like their plot device for the season is a corny 'reset button' gimmick. If it isn't really tastefully done, it'll mean the death of an excellent show (at least in my view.) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks as always for your quick work on reverting talk page vandalism. 7 04:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It has been my honor to serve the cause. (It's a personal pet peeve of mine, talk page vandalism, so I was quite happy to help, really.) Have a good day. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi and thanks
I am always surprised at how many people are watching the 2010 Copiapó mining accident and how quickly vandalism is reverted. An incredible amount of work by many people has gone into to improving the article. Thank you for keeping an eye on it. Cheers, Veriss (talk) 22:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, while there is a large number of interested people that watch that article, I am using an assisted anti-vandalism tool called Huggle, with support from another tool called Twinkle. I stumbled upon this vandalism edit from Huggle and responded accordingly. Still happy to help though. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Your confusion
This edit used HTML escape characters to represent characters not available on English keyboards. There's no difference in the rendered HTML.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:46, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I figured it was something like that. You'll notice I caught it and doubled back on the revert and the warning. Thanks for clearing everything up though. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Multisystemic therapy
i reverted your restoration of this article's content and placed a db-g7 tag on the page. it was blanked by the author, might as well make it easier for the reviewing admin. cheers WookieInHeat (talk) 04:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a weird one. Someone else had already removed an existing db, so I had no idea that the author was self blanking the page. Thanks for catching that. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah well, it's moot now anyways. He eh. I wish Huggle had a feature that showed how long the article has been in existence and who the created it. Sven Manguard  Talk 06:28, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Idiocy reins
Are they how you steer an idiot? Andy Dingley (talk) 09:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Look again before you speak. I reverted that vandalism. Now I am going to assume you are trying to make a joke and that this wasn't a personal attack. For your sake, let us hope I am right in that assumption. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:55, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologise in having mistaken you for someone possessed with at least an average sense of humour. Don't worry, I won't make that mistake again. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a sense of humor, but your word choice left much for interpretation. Perhaps I overreacted, but it seemed like you thought I was the vandal and you were mocking me. Sorry if that isn't the case. Ah well. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relax ... seems pretty clear to me that Andy was making a joke and didn't think you were a vandal. Otherwise I'm sure his message to you would have been a bit different, e.g. uw-v2! I also appreciated the rein/reign pun :) &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this becomes clear after a good night's sleep and a clearing of the head. Sorry Andy, I missed that one completely the first time around. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  17:16, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I probably didn't make myself clear . ..
. . . and if so I apologise. I understand that you would want to keep your talkpage free of any unpleasantness, but you are responsible for your comments on Wikipedia. I am asking you to redact your ill-considered accusations of impropriety on that page, specifically "Tom Reedy should be banned from the project as a whole for a few days for attempting to sway this discussion's outcome by "knowingly misrepresenting information and the opinions of others in this ANI", and "IMO, he is lying by omission, which is still a lie", all of which my subsequent post proves to be false. If not, I will take it to WP:WQA. I am weary of dealing with people who make slanderous remarks without presenting any evidence whatsoever. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe those statements were true when I said them. You corrected your lie by omission, but I think that your behavior in the Shakespeare thing (including the ANI) has been unethical. I also think that there are several other users being just as unethical, and I'm sorry if you feel singled out, but you did make errors in judgement in that thread. I overreacted, and I already redacted one statement, but I doubt that I am going to redact any more. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Whether you believed they were true or no is beside the point. I didn't "correct" my "lie by omission", I furnished the stats to show that your accusations were false. I don't see what is so hard to admit that you had a lapse of judegement. A simple, "although I still think that all participants are at fault, some of my remarks were hasty and ill-considered and I am retracting them" would suffice.
 * For what it's worth after the comments by Softlavender, Schoenbaum, and Bertaut, I considered opening an AN/I on myself to force them to produce diffs, because they're merely parroting Smatprt's line, but I was advised against it by LessHeard vanU, and to try to calm the waters I acquiesced until further provocation. I've stood still for this type of abuse too long, and I am determined not to do so any longer. I have no personal animosity toward you; it's merely unfortunate that you were the first one to such provocation. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:48, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You will do what you think is best, as will we all. I see the paralysis of ANI, the problems in the system that foster bubbling disagreements and stifle attempts at resolution. For what it's worth, no matter what you do, it won't matter at this point. It is clear that the parties involved are so polarized that only an Arbitration backed by sanctions can solve this. I never would have guessed that the battle between the various factions in the Shakespeare authorship Wikiconflict would have been as intractable and underhanded as those in the Israel/Palestine Wikiconflict. Someone needs to set ground rules, back them with the threat of topic and blanket bans, and end this. Far too little is being done above the board on these subjects. I'm sure that you're normally a good person, but this Wikiconflict is destroying all involved, and taking Wikipedia along for the ride. That is why I want nothing further to do with this. Unless I am being contacted because I have been brought up in AN/Something, I do not want to hear about this matter again. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Since this is a one-off episode, I'll refrain from any further action. I would suggest you familiarise yourself with the Wikipedia principles of etiquette, though.
 * And BTW, I agree with you it needs to go to Arbitration, and I'm sure it will. It is so mind-numbingly boring that not very many people are interested in it. As the old saying goes, academic politics are so vicious because the stakes are so low. Tom Reedy (talk) 21:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you will be wanting to remove this bit of unhelpfullness? LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why thank you Tom. I doubt we will meet again, as I have decided that it is dangerous for me to participate in ANI, as I have much to learn in the ways of restraint. The temptation is too great. I'm not sure why, but ANI brings out the worst in me. Now if you excuse me, as vanU has been kind enough to point out, I have a mess to clean up. Good luck in your travels. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. In our culture any hint of an admitting a mistake is seen as weakness, and few of us relish leveling our pride. As one who has had to do so many times, I know that long practice does not make it any easier. When I was teaching I told my students that the most important requirement for obtaining an education is the willingness to make an ass out of yourself in public, because that's what any admission of ignorance is seen as by the young. But I wax philosophic. Cheers Sven. Tom Reedy (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Had we only met under better circumstances. People are so much nicer when they're not in the middle of Wiki-conflicts. Feel free to stop in if you need anything non-ANI related. I don't know much about Shakespeare, but I can useful in other regards. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

hema
is it a conflict of interest if i just really like hema a lot? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hemanetwork (talk • contribs) 05:16, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if your name is "hemanetwork" and you're editing on a page called "HEMA", it gives the illusion of association. If you are not associated with HEMA, you might want to ditch this account and get another name. You might not actually be doing anything wrong, but it looks that way to outsiders. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

AfC Script
Hi there, I want to import a script, which is here, per recommendation of fetchcomms. I have no clue as to how do do it correctly.

I set up User:Sven Manguard/afchelper4.js to try and do this, and it isn't working. Worse yet, it won't let me add my db-self the damn thing.

Can someone help me fix this mess? Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you tried bypassing the browser's cache to the page yet? <font color="#0645AD">Minima <font color="#0645AD">c <font color="#0645AD"> (<font color="#0645AD">talk ) 07:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * (e/c) I think you may be editing the wrong file. The "importScript" line needs to go in a .js file named after your skin. The link Special:MyPage/skin.js will redirect to the correct file for the skin you are currently using. I've never tried to delete a .js sub-page - what goes wrong? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Templates don't expand on .js pages so db-self doesn't display the deletion request or put it in a deletion category. I have deleted the page. As John says, you have to edit the page Special:MyPage/skin.js leads to. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * @PrimeHunter: What is the recommended way to get a .js or .css page deleted? Could this be documented at WP:CSD and at ? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know a recommended way and haven't come across the issue before. People usually just blank a .js file when they don't want code in it. Adminhelp on user talk would be one of many ways to get attention from an admin. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, I still am not getting the damned script to work. It is now at User:Sven Manguard/vector.js. I think someone told me that only admins and I can edit that page because it is a js. If anyone can get it working, it's be very appreciative. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Only admins can edit my .js page, so this is a call out to any admins that have the knowledge to fix this mess. Some help would be greatly appreciated. Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want a .js file deleted, I can do that - what is the name of the file, to be sure I zap the right one? If what you want is technical advice about sorting out the code, that's beyond me. JohnCD (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go for another spin of the dice and restoring the template. If I can't get someone who can fix it, then yes, I will take you up on the offer of deleting it. The page is User:Sven Manguard/vector.js, by the way. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:20, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. I'm going to bed in an hour or so. In fact, previous experience suggests to me that you can edit your .js file, and you can even put a tag on it. The template does not expand properly on the page, so you think something is wrong, but it does put the page into CAT:CSD for any patrolling admin to delete. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the above is good advice, so I'm cancelling this for now. Please use a  if you need more help w/ it.  Chzz  ►  21:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well now, it's Chzz. Hello there. It's an honor to meet the person that seemingly singlehandedly keeps AfC running. Since this code seems like a lost cause, I'm going to nail it with the CSD and just favorite the instructions page until I have everything memorized. By the way, I am interested in becoming active in AfC. Thus far I have mainly been working on removing the backlog of unrated pages, by rating them, and got it from over 300 to less than 200 already. In a week or two I'll be done with that and will move into reviewing articles full time. I'd appreciate some advice and guidance on AfC, and can't think of anyone more qualified. I'm not sure what your position on mentoring is, or if you'd be willing to look over my work for a few weeks once I get started with dealing with submissions on a regular basis, but anything you are willing to do would be appreciated. Thanks, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't go in for 'official' mentor things; instead, people ask me stuff on my talk page, and mostly I answer them Re. AFC, I do greatly appreciate your efforts at rating pages; the only caveat - and I hope you will not read this too negatively - is that I think our current ratings system is generally meaningless, except for FA - see Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_64

Also, at the risk of more complications, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation and, indeed, Why does this process exist?

Mostly though - talk to people.  Chzz  ► 22:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. That was a bit of a rant; the thing about AFC though - please dive in, and review some.

If it's an acceptable article, move it to live.

If not, can you fix it? If so, do so, and move it live.

Or, ask the user to fix it.

If it has no hope (CSD stuff), then 'decline' it.

All of this is made super-easy if you install Tim's script, in your Special:MyPage/skin.js

importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/afchelper4.js');

That should give you a 'review' tab on AFC pages, allowing simple 'hold' and 'decline' things.  Chzz  ► 22:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Believe me, I've been trying to istall the damned script. I'm going to try again, now, because you and everyone else seem to think it works wonders. So you're saying that what I have to do is


 * 1) Create a page Special:MyPage/skin.js
 * 2) Cut/Paste that line importScript... ect.
 * 3) Refresh cache.
 * I've done that twice to no avail. I'm going to try again, I really hope it works this time. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Got it! It didn't work as well as I had hoped. It did the notifications, but I'm going to have to manually decline the test article (everything is filled in right, but the template is still yellow and my message isn't showing up.) At least it's better then it was before. Thanks Chzz, Fetchcomms, and everyone else that helped me with this. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:17, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
I answered your question :)  Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was more than willing to support you before you answered my question, which you did answer satisfactorily. I changed my level of support to "strong" after reading your answer to question 9. It is the most thoughtful, insightful, intelligent, and coherent analysis of Wikipedia civility I have ever seen. Well done. Your eloquence and thoughtfulness set a high bar here, one that I one day hope to reach, and one the community should strive for. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Gosh, thank you. I try to bring what I can - in this case, the experience of people that I have had over the years. I hope the community can settle the "civility wars" and move forward, and if I can play any part, I'll be glad to have helped out. As I said to SandyGeorgia, I only hope I don't let you guys down. And I will finish that article one day :)--Elen of the Roads (talk) 19:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

"Vandalism"
Sven, can you watch it with the vandalism accusations? wasn't vandalism. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Normally I would agree with you, but this is the fourth time in as many days that the same change has been done. Each time by an IP or SPA, and therefore I wasn't comfortable with the edit being 'clean' so to speak. Yes, the middle button (non AGF and non Vandalism rollback) might have been a better option, but this didn't seem like good faith, it seemed like a slow burning edit war edit. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:32, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

HCLHanne
Hi Sven, you've informed me that my article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/HCLHanne) is reads like an advertisement and therefore can't be published -I actually found out about the firm whilst researching Legal Aid in the United Kingdom and then authored in a similar style to - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_Meredith - I am currently researching the history of the firm and Legal Aid in the United Kingdom, I had hoped that my research could form a valid contribution to wikipedia, the article was definitely not intended as an advertisement, but perhaps I included too many references. If you could provide some further guidance it would be much appreciated as I am at present researching the founder of this firm and his history. I have now edited my article. Could you also look at my article on Herbert Curtis Lee Hanne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Everydeath (talk • contribs) 13:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010
Hi Sven, I noticed you checked out the article I created about the legislation. It's basically a stub right now; but you're more than welcome to contribute to it if you want. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InfoFan (talk • contribs) 17:33, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Category linking
Use <tt> Category:Category name </tt> to link to categories. Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 05:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I suppose it makes some sense, but I never would have gotten that on my own. By the way, what exactly does <tt> do? Sven Manguard  Talk 18:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The tt tags create the machine font, which I use when I'm explaining code. Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 00:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (In corny robot voice) <tt>Thank you sir. Query answered within acceptable parameters.</tt> He, eh. No seriously, thank you for all the recent help. Sven Manguard  Talk 00:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Feel free to ask at my talk if you have more questions. Access Denied  [FATAL ERROR] 00:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Considering that you have just earned yourself a spot on the list of people that I trust to save me from my own incompetence, you have no idea what you have just gotten yourself into. LOL. In all seriousness, I'm not that bad. I do thank you for the help though, and I appreciate the outstretched hand. Thanks again, Sven Manguard  Talk 00:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject North America
Thanks for the unofficial barnstar, actually, I've received several over the years at various IP addresses.

As I had a power outage today, my IP rotated again. Oh well.

76.66.196.13 (talk) 06:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Make an account and that will never happen again. Believe me, I never wanted one before I saw myself forced to get one, now I can't imagine not having one. Sven Manguard  Talk 18:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
You have  new messages ( last change ). / ƒETCH COMMS  /  23:12, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Your note on my page
Sven, of course you're welcome to join. BTW, could I make a suggestion you are quite free to ignore: why not make just your username shadowed, or whatever the graphic term is, rather than the whole string including date and time. It would be more effective, I think. I have to wear sun-glasses, too :-)

Tony  (talk)  14:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah... well I already joined... and have spoken to the other three coordinators already. Thanks for the enthusiastic welcome though, it feels nice to be accepted (I'm not being sarcastic, I really am glad that all four other members have welcomed me in.) As for the signature shadowing, I think it's a glitch in the system. I can't get the date and time to unshadow. It's not decision I made, and I agree with you that it might be better unshadowed, but I don't know how to do it. Sven Manguard  Talk 14:38, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, I looked at it again and realized that the entire time all that was missing was a  tag. It looks terrible to me like that though. Maybe I just got used to everything being shadowed.  Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  14:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sven Manguard Talk 14:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Sven Manguard <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  14:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, to me it looks classy with date and time in normal rendering. (I'm a bit slow with the talkback template thing, sorry.) Tony   (talk)  14:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC) PS and looking again, you might consider the same colour for "talk" as for your name. Just a thought.  Tony   (talk)  14:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's okay, there was no rush. As to changing the "talk" to the same color as my name, I regret to inform you that that is out of the question. The colored name and gold talk is "my thing." If enough people complain about the date and time, I'll consider changing it, but there are plenty of more colorful and possibly more distacting signatures out there, so I don't forsee needing to ditch the two color shadowing thing in its entirety any time soon. Thanks for the input though, I will keep it in mind. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Some help with Advertiser accounts
Hello there, quick question. Suppose I see a user who uses their main page as an advertisement for a company or product, as I recently saw with User:Handary, who was advertising the companty Handary S.A.

What is the appropriate course of action. Since I didn't know what to do, I put the user page up for CSD G11 (unambiguous advertising.) I considered also reporting the name to usernames for concern, but decided to wait until after I got an admin response here before proceeding further.

This situation happens a lot with me. Since I work at Articles for Creation, I see about one of these a day on average. The AfC was declined as a copyright violation, so that isn't a problem, my questions are more about the user and the userspace.

Thanks, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: Moved to AN/I. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

=November=

Cleanup
I did this move for you. I don't really hang around AFC so I don't know how to close this request, so I didn't really want to do it; I assume you can take it from here. Regards, Sh i r ik  ( Questions or Comments? ) 03:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing the move, although it will cause a few minor technical difficulties. I can fix it, but poor EarwigBot is going to scramble to figure out what happened. Luckily, since I have screwed up with an AfC move before, I know that EarwigBot isn't going to break, and I can manually edit the tracking statistics. Thanks for the response. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, everything should be in order, as EarwigBot hasn't done its hourly update since you made the move. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, too late. The bot updated and thinks that the article is still in review stage. Earwigbot will spend the next two weeks trying to find information that no longer exists (it lost its tracking information in the move) and then at 3:24, 9 November 2010 it will promptly forget that this ever existed, purge it from the submissions list, and be none the worse off. Gotta love a ruthlessly efficient bot. Don't worry about this, it happens all the time, the template that AfC uses to track submissions is... fragile. I'm just telling you this because some people find it humorous. Thanks for the help though. I believe stongly that doing the histories properly so that the submitter gets credit for the creation is important. Even in redirect pages. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Statement by Quantling
I modified my Statement by Quantling somewhat … letting you know in case it changes how you wish to word your response. Best —Quantling (talk) 15:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing me. I regret to inform you that I will not change my opinion on the matter however, as I still see it as a bad idea, especially considering how small the number of votes was last year (less than 1000) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Kaʻb Ibn Māma
Hi Sven, thank you for reviewing the article, it's my first so please bear with me. I updated the spelling of his name, so you can find few results here:

http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22ka%27b+ibn+mama%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=fbf719e6edf87023

He is a known icon among the Arabs (although Hatim al-Tai is more famous). For a measure of Ka'b's importance, please see page 101 of the following book:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=jKPhL5HVVQ8C&lpg=PA101&ots=E23tWgos2g&dq=%22ka%27b%20ibn%20mama%22&pg=PA101#v=onepage&q=%22ka%27b%20ibn%20mama%22&f=false

which reports a speech delivered by one of the judges of Basra to the caliph at the time. The judge said:

"...or if generoisty is mentioned, you are better than Hatim in your liberality; or if we mention true speech, you are Abu-Darr in the truth of your tongue; or if nobility, you are Ka'b ibn-Mama in preferring others over yourself..."

Al-Andalusi (talk) 02:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm still not seeing enough on the Google Search, but you can resubmit at a later date if you find the sources you need. You might want to look for someone that can find sources in Arabic. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Welcome to Articles for Creation
Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Articles for creation! We are a group of editors who work together on the Articles for creation and Images for upload pages.

A few tips that you might find helpful: Once again, welcome to the project. Alpha Quadrant   talk    13:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please take time to fully read the reviewers' instructions before reviewing submissions.
 * The project's discussion board is the best place to ask for help or advice. You might like to watchlist this page, and you are encouraged to take part in any discussion that comes up.
 * Alternatively you may like to contact one of our experienced members for help. They are: WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants
 * Article submissions that need reviewing can be found in Category:Pending AfC submissions and there is also a useful list which is maintained by a bot.
 * You might wish to add AFC status to your userpage, which will alert you to the number of open submissions. There is also a project userbox. If you haven't done so already, please consider adding your name to the list of participants.
 * Several of our members monitor an IRC channel,, and you are most welcome to join in.

hi
No email function? I wanted to fill you on the background to a comment you made. Tony  (talk)  14:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right now I have no email I am willing to give out. My university email contains my personal information, and my private email is limited only to family and a select group of close friends. Why can't you tell me in this form? I can get an email address up, G-mail is free, but I didn't think I needed it. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  18:33, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We're not talking conspiracies/canvassing here; it's just that email is useful from time to time for a number of reasons (just one example—when I invite users to be a judge of the featured content of the week at The Signpost, I don't want to embarrass them or put public pressure on them). A gmail account, BTW, also opens up their superb new live document share facility (free, and no ads!), which allows collaboration in text writing in RL with others. Tony   (talk)  02:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand, I have a gmail already, but I don't give it out except to close friends and family. I have a school account (which happens to also run on gmail software) but it has my name in it. I have a thrid account, a "spambox" account that I use for online shopping, but I never check it, unless I am expecting a shipping notice. To use any of those three emails would cause issues, and I'm not sure I want to create another email account just for Wikipedia. Besides, I was an unamiguous nerd who went to public high school. No matter what you say, no matter what you do, you have nothing on that, so don't worry about embarrassing or pressuring me. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And there's Yahoo etc. The guidelines suggest posting a "Ping" notice on a user's talk page when emailing them. I usually do this. But it's no big deal, this thing. Tony   (talk)  03:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Will users see the email address? I don't want to offend people if I decide to send it to my 'spambox' account. It literally is "spambox.(my initials)@(mailserive).com. I can make an effort to check it more often, but I could just as easily set up a new account. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

←Users don't see your email address. But I think if you want to maintain anonymity, you need to reply by clicking on the correspondent's email button on their user page, rather than just hitting reply in the email window. In all cases, hitting the WP email function reveals only your user name in the title of the message. Tony  (talk)  06:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Dre_Baldwin
Hi!

From the submission: "Baldwin has played [...] in the EuroLeague"

From WP:NBASKETBALL: "Basketball figures are presumed notable if they have appeared in one game in the [...] Euroleague"

Are you sure this fails the notability guideline?

Thanks. <font face="Verdana">&#91; stwalkerster &#124; talk &#93;  21:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well now, I'm not sure how I missed that entire section. I fixed it back up for you in the submission. A more experienced (and competent) AfC member will be along shortly to help you. Sorry about that. Best of luck, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  22:27, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not a problem, just that user came onto IRC and asked why the reviewer had said "not notable", and I couldn't actually answer the question :P . I don't do AfC stuff, which is why I didn't do anything other than ask you about it. Thanks for re-reviewing it anyway. <font face="Verdana">&#91; stwalkerster &#124; talk &#93;  01:51, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Note of reply
x2

WikiProject East Asia
Since you wanted to be kept informed... The request for WikiProject East Asia is up. It's listed at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/WikiProject East Asia with related pages at the top. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 08:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Special Invite
Hi,

I'm sorry, I will not have time to look at that in the immediate future; due to real-life issues, I am not active on Wikipedia at the moment. Best of luck,  Chzz  ► 18:20, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I figured that when I saw the message, but I still respect your opinion so I left the message. I hope your real life situation gets better. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello
I'm perfectly well my dear sir  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  23:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wonderful. I'm sorry I was snippy at you. Please though, let's just drop the whole thing. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  23:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProjects
A cookie for your help 76.66.203.138 (talk) 08:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">

76.66.203.138 has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can Spread the "WikiLove" by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{subst:Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{subst:munch}}!

North America
And thanks.

76.66.203.138 (talk) 09:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No, thank you. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  16:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

It's raining thanks spam!

 * Please pardon the intrusion. This tin of thanks spam is offered to everyone who commented or !voted (Support, Oppose or Neutral) on my recent RfA. I appreciate the fact that you care enough about the encyclopedia and its community to participate in this forum.
 * There are a host of processes that further need community support, including content review (WP:GAN, WP:PR, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR). You can also consider becoming a Wikipedia Ambassador. If you have the requisite experience and knowledge, consider running for admin yourself!
 * If you have any further comments, input or questions, please do feel free to drop a line to me on my talk page. I am open to all discussion. Thanks • Ling.Nut (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The cynic in me thinks that this should take place after the burecrat comes in and shuts closes the RfA, which, at 63% (60%N) could benefit heavily from a quick ten or fifteen support !votes.
 * The neat freak in me is miffed that a mass mailing got slapped to my page, and wants to delete it, rather than waiting a week and archiving it.
 * The tiny, disheveled, badly starved, and brutally beaten sense of human decency in others in me is screaming at the top of his lungs "Yeah, but this is the first guy who's thanked you for RfA participation yet, and you voted against the guy.
 * And I listen...

F.Y.I. my 'sense of human decency in others' would normally be much healthier, but this is election season, the month and a half where all the worst in humanity is brought to the forefront and broadcast continuously on national television. Bigotry, stupidity, people forcing their idiosyncratic or otherwise distasteful views on the rest of the country, and other human unpleasantness all becomes completely unavoidable, and sadly, intoxicatingly addicting. It's like watching a train wreck, except the screams of death aren't from people, but from abstract concepts like intellectualism, culture, respect for one's own country, etc. I'll be much better next week. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Co Nom
Hi Sven, Ϣere  Spiel  Chequers  has begun the Requests for adminship/Redthoreau if you are still interested in co-nominating. Thanks for all of your assistance :o)   <font color="#FF3333">Red <font color="#FFCC00">thoreau  -- (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI
I have commented on your RFCC. Happy editing!  Access Denied –  talk to me  04:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar
Thanks! :-) -- llywrch (talk) 04:10, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo's talk page
I don't agree with you, but I like your attitude. Cheers. Townlake (talk) 03:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Early Nomination
FYI, since the nomination period hasn't begun, your statement has been removed. You can comment here (I'm not the one who did it, just a friendly note) <font color="#BB133E" face="Tahoma">DC <font color="#002664" face="Tahoma">T •<font color="#002664" face="Tahoma">C   19:24, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Quick note
I fixed my TP header issue, per your request and suggestions :o)   <font color="#FF3333">Red <font color="#FFCC00">thoreau  -- (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:FFU where requestor helps themselves
Hi Sven, thanks for working on the WP:FFU page! You wrote: ", I wish there were a third 'closed' option for FFA so that you wouldn't be stuck with this gaudy red bad... he eh."
 * Well there is such an option, it is the success option. It results in a dark green bar.  You use  at the top and  at the bottom, there are probably ffu-c equivalent options too, but since I started doing this back when it was images for upload, I still use the ifu series templates.  Isaw te exact same issue that you did, that the request did not actually fail.  Have you ever seen anyone ask to upload something that was not an image? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:45, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

imaginary successful self help


 * No, I've never seen anything like that, although if someone made an animation, it might not be in 'image' as much as a 'file.' Not that this is likely, but if an IP decides to contribute to spoken wikipedia, this would be the venue for that as well. Thanks Graeme. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw that edit... Thanks for the welcome. I think I'll stay. I like it a lot. I still like AfC, but FFU seems more my style. Less of the "No, your band which was formed 3 days ago and preforms in your gradge isn't going to become an article" nonsense. Any advice/guidance you have is welcome. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:58, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, three questions. 1. (in reference to Warsow logo.png) can we upload non-free SVGs? and 2. How long do we wait for a response before we close a submission that doesn't meet the requirements. There are several currently. 3. When that time does arrice, do we still use the tag? Thanks,  Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Treat svg files just the same as for .gif etc, which is that you can upload it if you could upload an image in another format. The hypothetical infinite resolution for logos does not matter because we are suppose to reproduce logos accurately. svg files, because they are text can be uploaded by contributors on talk pages, but that is not your issue.
 * 2) I give the requestor 7 days to respond.
 * 3) That tag looks good, I did not even know it existed, but you can also explain the original reason and then use normal decline.  If it just lack of an obvious fair use rationale, I would make it up for the requestor. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:25, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I like to play the "click on the links at the bottom of the documentation and see what you find" game. It uncovers all sorts of dirty little secrets (like afc-c|r). The page where I got it from was Template:Ifu s, which has several underused gems. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:33, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Regarding above, please see Sockpuppet investigations/Cmmmm. Your input would be appreciated. Thank you, -- Cirt (talk) 11:51, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Television/Selected picture/21
 * 2) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Film/Selected picture/25
 * 3) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Film/Selected picture/24

I admit that my edits are wrong
I admit that my edits are wrong, please give me a chance to be a good editor.Xpjohn (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The sock should refrain from socking as with, and stick to its main account . -- Cirt (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Why good sir, I was well aware of the accusations you have made against this man when I undertook my deletion requests. I don't know who this person is a sock of, you could have the identity correct, but I do know that people that come in on their first day and start disrupting portals obviously have previous experience with being disruptive. And I don't feed socks. What would one feed socks? Wool? But I digress... I have no intention of playing with Xpjohn anymore.
 * Also, I know enough about Wikipedia to know to trust the judgment of Cirt. (Trust but verify, of course.)
 * Thank you, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:23, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 15:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I admit that I´m Cmmmm but I can not stop editing because I´m addicted to wikipedia.Xpjohn (talk) 15:52, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Well now. Wikipedia is not therapy. I won't and probably can't help you. If you want to be disruptive and are addicted to the internet, there are communities of similarly minded individuals elsewhere, and those communities won't block you for disruption. Try Newgrounds.com, there's noting but disruptive internet addicts there. Meanwhile, please don't be disruptive here, as we will continue to handle it the same exact way. Blocking. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Your signature
Please, please, please loose the drop shadow and the random coloring. Some amount of whimsy is very well tolerated in sigs, but yours is rather distracting and obtrusive and detract from your points. &mdash; Coren (talk) 15:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're not the first person to mention this. I'll tinker with it for a bit and see what comes of it. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  16:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're amenable to suggestions, the yellow shadow "glowy" thing on your talk link is pretty distinctive and not overly gaudy; and I don't mind the shadow on your username so much as the random colors. But the timestamp really should be left unadorned.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to get the shadow on the text to be the size of the shadow on the talk thing, but to no avail. My default green is much tighter than some of the other colors, despite having the same exact parameters. I've been scouting ideas for alternates, and I will change things soon.
 * Of course, the irony here is that I really like the glowing timestamp. Ah well. I can see your point. I'll figure something out. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:10, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On a strictly personal preference note, that blue right there you got? Snazzy.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A concoction of mine: #1e90ff (Feel free to use it.) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>
 * With a heavy heart, I have axed the glowing timestamps. The rotating colors are staying for now, while I work on finding something else I like. As to the rotating itself, I will point out that the person who set it up for me also has rotating colors in his sig, and I don't know if anyone complained to him. I won't name names, but it's kind of easy to find if you really want to. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Might be the combination, really. Chances are, your random color thing is going to recede to "background noise" level now that the timestamp is back to normal.  :-)  FWIW, there were also good technical reasons for not highlighting it:  there are bots that parse those and may well have been much confused by (what it would see) as a stray after the timestamp.  Thanks, Sven.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Failed Prototype A
<span class="ad-sig" style="white-space:nowrap;padding:3px 5px 1px;background:#ffd700;border:1px solid black;"> ◦ Sven Manguard ◦ And do you, my fine sir, have a plaque?

Unwelcome, non-candidate!
Dear Sven Manguard, thank you for nominating yourself as a candidate in the 2010 Arbitration Committee elections. On behalf of the coordinators, allow me to welcome you to the election and make a few suggestions to help you get set up. By now, you ought to have written your nomination statement, which should be no more than 400 words and declare any alternate or former user accounts you have contributed under (or, in the case of privacy concerns, a declaration that you have disclosed them to the Arbitration Committee). Although there are no fixed guidelines for how to write a statement, note that many candidates treat this as an opportunity, in their own way, to put a cogent case as to why editors should vote for them—highlighting the strengths they would bring to the job, and convincing the community they would cope with the workload and responsibilities of being an arbitrator.

You should at this point have your own questions subpage; feel free to begin answering the questions as you please. Together, the nomination statement and questions subpage should be transcluded to your candidate profile, whose talkpage will serve as the central location for discussion of your candidacy. If you experience any difficulty setting up these pages, please follow the links in the footer below. If you need assistance, on this or any other matter (including objectionable questions or commentary by others on your candidate pages), please notify the coordinators at their talkpage. If you have followed these instructions correctly, congratulations, you are now officially a candidate for the Arbitration Committee. Good luck! <font face="New York">Skomorokh 01:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Great... You want me to do a gangsta rap again? Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Aberdeen Student Show GA nomination
Thank you very much for your kind offer to nominate this article, which I originally started, for GA. As has been noted, much of the subsequent expansion on my original short article was done by user Summerhill Loon. Having just reviewed it in its present state, I see a number of things which need improving. I feel the article has perhaps become a little unwieldy in its present form, and could do with some judicious editing and pruning. My other regret, from a presentation point of view, is that I have been unable to find a way to make the table of show titles as researched and created by Summerhill Loon, into a collapsible list. I will see if I can set aside some time in the near future to undertake the task of editing the article. Solaricon (talk) 20:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It is now a sortable collapsible table, defaulting in uncollapsed mode. If you want it in collapsed mode, change the line at the top of the table from  to  . Ring me if you need any help.  Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  21:18, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that is great! Thank you very much for doing that. I will undertake the editing of the article soon, and let you know when I have finished. Once you have had a look at the edited version, you can decide if you would still like to nominate it. Solaricon (talk) 11:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. In the future, you can find a lot about tables in Help:Table, the table help page. Making something collapsible and sortable isn't in there, yet, but will be soon. Help:Table is a bit overly complicated, but still, it's useful. Ring me if you need me. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, Sven. I have now done everything I can to tidy up and improve the Aberdeen Student Show article. There are still a couple of citation issues. Although I have no reason to suspect the information involved is incorrect, I have not yet managed to run down reference sources to allow me to resolve these issues. Please have a look at the article again when you have a moment, and if you are still willing to nominate it for GA, then please let me know the procedures. User Summerhill Loon is still active, in the sense that he is still following developments in an article to which he has contributed so much, and I have let him know about your interest. Thank you again for the help with making the table of show titles collapsible, as this has allowed me to move it to a more user-friendly position near the top of the article, which is where I always thought it should be! Solaricon (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply at Wikimedia Commons
Hi! Copying my reply at commons:File talk:Wikipedia-logo.png:
 * This is Wikipedia logo, and this is how it looks, crooked or not. If you would like to change the actual Wikipedia logo, I can’t help with that, you have to request it in some other place, I guess meta:Talk:Wikipedia/Logo or possibly commons:Talk:Wikipedia/2.0 might do. --Mormegil ( talk ) 18:59, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

--Mormegil (talk) 19:01, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for including a response here. I actually was wondering how long it would take, it's been a month, but I suppose that that page is low traffic. I will pursue this, although with the amount of other people who look at the logo, if it were truly wrong, I suppose someone else would have noticed it, so it could just be me. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Ribbon Rewards
Sven--For answering the call and creating great looking ribbons, I award you the following:

Thanks for all your hard work! NielsenGW (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Cavell van
Sven, I note you are active at AfC. I spotted a new editor adding links to certain articles yesterday and gave him a welcome message. Checking his contributions, he had started an article at AfC - Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/cavell van. The van was in the news yesterday as it was unveiled following restoration. I've worked on the article to demonstrate the notability and historic importance of the vehicle. If it's not treading on toes, would you mind reviewing the article, and releasing it to article space (the colons before "category" will then need to be removed). If it's not the proper thing to ask, then leave the article for someone else to review. If it does get released, then I've got a DYK nomination in mind. Mjroots (talk) 07:22, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
 * <font color="Red"> How dare you ask me to be useful!
 * Okay, it's done. Happy to help. Come back if you need anything else. Cheers, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  18:45, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Question about the Asian Logo you made
I noticed you made a really cool Asian logo for your project. I was looking into making one for WikiProject United States as well (as well as a banner) but I am as they say graphically challenged. Would you be interested in making one for our project or do you know of someone else who might possess the skills necessary to create one. Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 19:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can do a nice .png image for you, but I can't do .svg files. AlexCovarrubias designed the WikiProject North America stuff, but his interest is mainly in Mexico, I think. I'll give it a shot this weekend for you. See you around, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot I really appreciate it. --Kumioko (talk) 19:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

trying to get my first page posted
you have reviewed my page but there was an issue of details now it says its something associated to me and its wrong.. i have worked on this yesterday and today and did the required research, what else do i need to do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Elika_Associates

Elika2010 (talk) 00:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you associated with Elika Associates? (Are you an employee?) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * no i am not, i know of them and who they are like someone would know and write about any subject or missing search result, also i supply facts and links to sources of facts. Elika2010 (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. Part of the problem here was that your name and the name of the group you are writing about are very similar. We were thinking that there was a conflict of interest in play. I'll make the necessary changes to your submission, and then another member of AfC will look it over. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was asked why this company is worthy enough to be included, one main reason is as stated that it is the only exclusive buyers brokerage in Manhattan... there is no other. Elika2010 (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I can't handle this right now. I placed the no-COI notice up at the top of the page, and the rest will be handled by other people at AfC. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I choose this name because i knew the first page i wanted to make, will i be stuck with it? Elika2010 (talk) 02:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. You, yourself, cannot change it, but there is a way. Hold on and I'll go ask someone where that is. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>

Ok, Thank you for the help. Elika2010 (talk) 03:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You might want Changing username Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Just come back to wikipedia after a long weekend
Seems you are quite amused by MtD's comments at the RfA. I was actually responding to poor comments of his in both the support and oppose sections. He had been previously warned on his talkpage by iridescent. He then attacked me for my response, of course I care not a jot what he says about me but I do care that such conduct gets laughed at and nothing is done, not even a warning. It is not a matter of "Polargeo can take it", it is a matter of not having someone repeatedly freely insulting users who they have had no previous interaction with. Polargeo (talk) 11:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that RfA was one of my weaker moments. I've been trying to outright avoid conflict, and hence have mostly avoided AN/I recently. RfA, however, is too important to just ignore, so I check in there every few days. Let's move on from that nonsense and focus on being constructive. Yay constructiveness! Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  15:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:TCG
Hi there!

Thanks for your interest in the Wikipedia trading card game design team!

Here's a brief introduction to our project--

Awhile back, there was a conversation at the village pump regarding fundraising possibilities. The topic of a trading card game was tossed around, and folks seemed to like it. After a long and hard two years or so of trying fruitlessly to come up with appealing rules for the game, many contributors fell dormant (most still are). This summer, a couple of us kicked in gear again with a new idea-- a democratically selected ruleset, where each rule was approved individually. That way, no one would have to settle on a ruleset that had a few bad rules here and there. Over the past few months, Hi878, MithrandirAgain, RatonBat, and I cobbled out a complete ruleset.

As we moved along to phase two (the card proposal phase), the composition of active members shifted again slightly-- the current active contributors are Hi878, Canvashat, and me. Using the ruleset as a guide, we're proposing ideas for individual cards. A proper proposal should be created using the links found at Wikipedia:Trading card game/Action plan/Phase 2:Cards/Individual card proposals. Please have a look at the current ruleset before proposing a card, as this will help prevent unnecessary problems with proposals.

Here are some things needing done, many of which you can probably do:


 * Propose cards
 * Suggest a quote to place on a non-article card (quotes should ideally come from either a page on Wikipedia or from the IRC channel, and inside jokes are discouraged)
 * Suggest an image (from the Commons) to be placed on a card
 * Design an SVG of an approved card, and upload a PNG of it to http://wptcg.wikia.org/ (if you're not comfortable working with SVGs, just sit back and watch). If you are good at designing/working with SVGs, I can send you some templates to work from and instructions for adapting them for new cards. We're trying to maintain a fairly uniform design, so any SVGs you produce should be created using these templates.

But most importantly, we need your input on card proposals, quote suggestions, and images (which have been uploaded Cards to be approved). Please review the proposals that have been listed and give us your feedback!

Asd I stated before, our current active members are Hi878 (who is on a WikiBreak for the next 7 days), Canvashat, and me. Since Hi's on break for the next 7 days, there might not be much action this week, but it'll fire back up again once he returns for sure.

Here are a couple pages you'll want to add to your watchlist:
 * Trading card game
 * Trading card game/Rules
 * Wikipedia:Trading card game/Action plan/Phase 2:Cards
 * Wikipedia:Trading card game/Action plan/Phase 2:Cards/Individual card proposals
 * Cards to be approved (I HIGHLY recommend changing your skin preference to Monobook at that wiki)

Welcome aboard! Any questions, pipe up again! Bob the Wikipedian (talk • contribs) 19:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Wait what?
Since when was an RfA an AfD? :) Airplaneman   ✈  00:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that was a rather careless error. Thanks for pointing it out. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

GAN nomination for Sea of Japan naming dispute
Thanks for posting on my talk page about the article. I've reviewed the article myself once I saw a problem with images, but that's not something everyone can quickly catch (I've been through two FAC nominations, so it was something I first wanted to check). You did good to look for a second opinion, and not immediately pass the article when the MoS was for you. Overall, it wasn't bad pretty good for your first, but the article had a few further issues you hadn't noticed. No big deal. Feel free to contact me back any time for any other concern relating GANs. <font color="#4B0000">Eric <font color="#550000">Leb <font color="#660000">01 (Page &#124; Talk)  01:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I like the old one better
... :) ++Lar: t/c 22:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I do too, but it's not as professional, and the last thing we want is for people to see the elections as a game. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  22:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Right, because it's very SRS BIZNIS. ++Lar: t/c 00:23, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * He, it's not my decision. That being said, if people decide to tear up the election for fun, and we can't block them fast enough, the chaos might legitimatize the election, and then everything will go to hell... which would be bad. I'm fine with levity, in perspective. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you may be taking this thread too seriously :) ++Lar: t/c 07:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow..
I thought your user name was Steve Manguard up until just now. I n k a <sup style="color:black;">888 23:52, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that came out of left field. No, it's Sven. Always has been, and if it changes, I doubt it would be to Steve. (sorry Steves of the world) Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  00:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

BS

 * I'm happy that you're happy. Good to see you back. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 chat 03:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

You have one reply

 * Waiting for you on my talk page. Sincerely.  Wifione    <sub style="font-size: 60%">....... <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> Leave a message  10:51, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

martyring?
I think calling my actions martyring is a bit much. I believed that I had a chance at running in the ArbCom elections. I think maybe you just need to see that I am not trying to undermine the encyclopedia and perhaps take a quick wikibreak to clear the stress. Hmmm? Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 01:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Bartsa, it says there right on the intro page that you need 1000 mainspace edits. It's just one of those rules. You need to stop telling everyone to take wikibreaks, it's getting kind of pointy --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * How is trying to get people to calm down and look at the situation rationally disrupting the encyclopedia to prove a point? Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 01:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. You certainly do not have the right to tell me to take a break. I assumed good faith when you put your name in the hat. I didn't respond because it happened while I was asleep, but I didn't think you were trying to undermine the project or anything like that. I do not, however, think very highly of your handling of the bad news. Immediately after being told that they do not qualify for ArbCom, you respond by going to a high traffic area and badmouthing the person that broke the news to you and the ArbCom process itself. If you had such a problem with the process before being rejected, you would never have applied. There are plenty of things that I do not qualify for. Some of those things I would very much like, but I do not respond to the situation by badmouthing people that point out my lack of qualifications, and I do not badmouth the process. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't telling, I was merely suggesting. Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 01:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Riiiiiight. Please do not come back to my page unless you decide to alter your basic philosophy on communicating with other people. I wasn't pleased with your actions before, but after seeing this: Complaints? I think we can discount any meaningful discourse with you. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  01:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you have already formed an opinion of me that cannot be changed. I respect this. But what I do with my userspace is none of your concern. Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 02:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are saying implicitly that complaints against you is trash. That is unacceptable in my opinion. As to what I think of you, I start out neutral with everyone I meet. I learned about your existance today. You got off on a bad foot. You have thus far done nothing to convince me that your initial actions were not indicative of your overall behavioral. I've changed opinions on people plenty, always based on patterns of beheavior. Show me that you're a better person/editor than I ascribe you to be, and my opinion of you will rise rapidly. Continue to post on my page after I've asked you not to, and well, that can't help much. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware you have not asked me to stop posting on any of your pages thus far. Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 02:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know why I'm feeding this mess. Look up. It's literally in this thread. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:14, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Or in words of one syllable NO POST HERE Elen of the Roads (talk) 02:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

u there?
You suggested going into the Signpost chatroom to show me how to enter others like it (I just can't seem to crack the nut). I've gone in there in case you're around. Tony  (talk)  07:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm here. By chance actually. It's 2:17AM local, but I'm looking for you now. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I have to go to sleep now, sorry this didn't work. Maybe next time. Also, for your information. I'm usually on IRC from 10:00 AM to 10:00 PM EST. EST is 5 hours behind of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). Therefore, it's almost 3:00 AM for me, and I can tell you that it is very rare that I am on at 3:00 AM. He eh. Sorry about this. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, got diverted onto something else. That link is where I'd got up to. Goes awry after that. Tony   (talk)  07:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Quick, before it hits 8. Go back there. Identify yourself as Tony when you do. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  07:54, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sven, now my posts in the SP chatroom don't seem to happen. I type, hit return, but nothing. Tony   (talk)  08:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm in the chatroom. Tony  (talk)  16:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Redundant
Did you create Arbitration Committee Elections December 2010/Candidates/ in error? <font color="#21421E" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">Marcus <font color="#CC7722" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">Qwertyus   19:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it was changed in error, I believe. It was supposed to be a stop-notice. In testing we realized that the page could be reached if someone didn't fill out their forms correctly when nominating themselves. It is supposed to say "If you are seeing this message, you did not enter your user name correctly when prompted to. Please hit the back button and try again." Thank you for pointing this out. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * My bad! <font color="#21421E" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">Marcus <font color="#CC7722" face="font-family: 'Maiandra GD', sans-serif;">Qwertyus   20:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  20:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Good eye! You called it, so congrats
I recently raised a "notability" question about the Jeff Ragsdale article. In response, the primary maintainer of that page took great offense, going as far as to threaten me harm. So he got blocked, and then all the other main (one!) maintainers of that page also got blocked for sock puppetry, as you astutely suspected in this posting of yours a long time ago. I figured I'd give you a shout out so you could bask in the warm glow of "I told you so". Anyway, thanks. 71.190.77.101 (talk) 02:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

AfC
Re Articles for creation/Redirects - pls see WP:INTDABLINK. Thanks. 86.180.255.89 (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 86.180.255.89 (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Policy pwned by an IP. In my defense though, I thought that was an article, not another disambig. I have no idea how I missed it... :( . Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:41, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Sea of Japan naming dispute GAN
Thank you very much for your review and assistance on Sea of Japan naming dispute. I think it's definitely much better than it was just a week ago. Again, great thanks! Qwyrxian (talk) 05:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Time for a victory dance! Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  05:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion
Hi, I wonder whether your question to PhilKight would be better on his discussion page. Then it would be transcluded centrally to a place we've just highlighted at the election report in The Signpost as being for the convenience of voters. The discussion page is a bit short on text, which is strange given the complaints by voters that there wasn't enough discussion last year. Your questions is kinda long, too, given the rules. Tony  (talk)  07:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

ACE2010
I've answered you here. I'm quite proud of that answer. If you want to ask a followup, please feel free. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 10:27, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I never thought any of it would be a problem, I just wanted to make sure everything was out in the open ahead of time. That being said, your answer is very impressive. If I did have an initial concern, I'm sure it would have been dispelled by now. Cheers, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  19:14, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Historic States
The project scope states: "The nations and states of East Asia, both current and historic, broadly construed." Since you added Empire of Japan, the articles I included involved the Empire at its maximum extent. As for specific events in the History of Japan, I considered them equivalent to the historic dynasties of China in terms of periodization. Dimadick (talk)

QuickiWiki Look Up

You have one unread message


 * I see. Well, I will look everything over again, a lot of what was tagged was kept (essentially everything except WWII battles that only involved Japan and not another East Asian nation, the minor states (during the Spring & Autumn and other periods with more than three states,) and a few biographies.) I see also that there is another large batch waiting to be rated. :) Well, thank you for explaining your reasoning, I understand it now. Keep in touch, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  14:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Assessing certain Western Chinese topics for WikiProject East Asia
Not in pursuant of any political agenda (I oppose separatism), if you are not sure, feel free to downgrade importance for topics that are associated with Xinjiang, Tibet (not just Tibet AR), western Gansu and Inner Mongolia because Xinjiang, western Gansu and Inner Mongolia are more or less both geographically and culturally part of Central Asia, and the Tibetan Plateau is split between Central and South Asia. --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 00:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I will look it over sometime in the near future, but just so that you know, there is a somewhat complete guide to importance ratings on the project's user talk page. Thank you for your help, and if you have not done so already, consider joining the project. Sincerely, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked over some of it, and you seem to be doing ratings contrary to the current guidelines. Specifically I noticed that you were changing the importance of capital cities and geographic bodies. I am going to revert those for now. I would be more than willing to hear your reasoning, however I was doing the ratings based off of a standardized rating guideline that had some level of consensus from the early contributors. We can change things around in the future, but for now, I'd like to keep things uniform. That means that if we change the level of the capitals, we change the level of all the capitals, etc. Please also note that this project's aims, while indirectly are to improve content of individual topics in East Asia, are mainly to improve content and coverage of the region. These things are similar, but not the same, hence why we do not include all of the things that exist in East Asia.
 * All of that being said, I think it might be prudent to move a lot of things up in importance levels. I encourage you to weigh in on things on the project talk page. Thanks again for all the work and for showing interest in the project. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  02:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * my interpretation of the "Top" importance category was based off the corresponding one of the WikiProject China page, which states "anything a non-Chinese reader would have a high likelihood of searching for" (or something like that). Since the East Asia scale did not include anything more than "must have", I applied the WP:China standard. If you make reversals, I will not contest them (and I have better things to do on WP than exactly that), in light of your explanation of the coverage and the importance scale (well, mainly coverage), not at least until a new importance scale emerges out of discussion. I regret making some of the "wrong again" statements. Look forward to sporadic (for now) work on the project, although most of my work will be with Chinese topics.
 * by the way, my national capital reasoning was that, given that there are at most 7 independent nations in the region, well you know. --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 02:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I reverted your edits, then reverted myself back. I owe you a huge thank you for, all be it unknowingly, to confront how overly complicated the rating system we have is. Ignore it, your gut seems good, then weigh in on the new one I am about to create. I'll leave you a talkback directly to the page when that is ready. Cheers, Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  03:02, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * no need for talkback templates on my user talk. I watch if I care enough, even though my watchlist is around 200 pages (mostly PC). less work on your part. --HXL's Roundtable, and Record 03:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * See my second statement at the project talk page. See what you think. Sven Manguard  <sub style="text-shadow:#ffd700 0.14em 0.14em 0.14em"><b style="color:black;">Talk</b>  04:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

thank you for all you do
8 Thank you for adding Taiwanese aborigines to WPEASTASIA. That was, of course, my first FA.. in a very pleasant and fruitful collaboration (as all my FAs were). And thank you so much for all you do! Ling.Nut.Email.Only (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for your support at my RfA last week. I'll do everything I can to live up to your expectations and if you ever need help from a janitor please feel free to drop me a line! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:17, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

RfC Senkaku Islands
The RfC provides an opportunity for additional comment by other interested editors. Can you frame a constructive response to Bobthefish2 pivotal question: Even if the policy does not recommend the use of Senkaku/Diaoyu-style dual names, is our situation exceptional enough to make it a good solution? In this RfC context, please consider an overview here? --Tenmei (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

=December=

I hope you're all happy with yourselves...
Monsters, all of you. Well, you win this round, my sig is now much more... plain. The colored shadows don't appear on some computers, and they've been inconsistent for me. They look awesome, but I prefer stable at the moment. Bah, I'm going to go off into some corner and cry...

 S ven M anguard  <font color="FCD116">Wha?  06:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

ty
Thanks! Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. :)  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Since you're creating tons of books...
Mind joining WikiProject Wikipiedia-Books? We're not that many, but we're pretty active. Even if you don't join, the page still has lots of relevant links you might find helpful.

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 05:31, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll consider it.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:45, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar mockup
Here's a cleaner version you can toy with.

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 23:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that made it really easy. He eh.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:43, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Courtesy-delivered by request of user:Barts1a, who is blocked. keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 12:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC) keɪɑtɪk flʌfi (talk) 12:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Voter Number discrepancy
854 votes were cast as per the voter Log but only 850 appear to have been counted even assuming that the 2 indef blocked user votes were not counted there is a discrepancy of 2 votes.For example Newyorkbrad got 591 supports 186 Neutrals and 73 opposes 591+186+73=850.Same is the case with all the candidates.For the sake of transparency need a clarification.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am aware of this. I can tell you two things though. First, that the four vote swing did not effect who got elected in any way, and second, you will have to talk to the scrutineers about that. My understanding is that there were other sockpuppets discovered during the election, however, as I said, I am not the one to ask, and cannot give you a definitive answer.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  22:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message.Just wanted it to be clarified for transparency ,I agree it would have no impact whatsoever on who gets elected.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

rob ford image
Hi, Some days ago, I tried to upload an image to replace the current image for Rob Ford, Mayor of Toronto, Canada. The request was declined, because I did not put a "license" stating that the image is public domain. I am new to Wikipedia, and I am unclear on what this means. Please explain what this means, and what I have to do to have the new image uploaded. It would be greatly appreciated. Regarding the quality of the image currently used, there should be a better, more professional image to represent the mayor of Canada's largest city.

Thank you for your assistance. 99.225.113.31 (talk) 01:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, which means that in order for us to use an image, it has to be avalible under free use, or in some cases, fair use. Becasue this person is alive, the laws on the use of images are especially tight, so the only way we can use the image is if it is clear that the owner of the image has released the image under a free use license we accept. When I said that we needed a link to the license infromation, what I meant was that we needed to see proof that the image was released for free use. If you could find that information, we can use the image. If you cannot find that information, or if the image is in fact copyrighted, then we cannot use the image. I hope this helps,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  21:53, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, that does help. How do I find proof that am image has been released for free use? thanks again 99.225.113.31 (talk) 00:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no simple answer to that question. Some people release their photos individually, and many governments release as public domain any photos taken in an official capacity. Those are the two biggest ways that images of living persons are released. If you can show that either A) the photographer released the image into public domain or released it under one of the other free use licenses, (some of the Creative Commons and GDFL) or that B) the image was taken and posted in such a way that it is automatically without copyright, (the U.S. government does this, as do several U.S. states, but I don't know about Canada) then we can upload it.
 * Most well designed sites have copyright information somewhere, usually at the bottom or on a designated page. Some sites, like Flickr, have it below the image and off to the side. Good luck,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Fraulein
Why do you keep reverting this page and leaving templates on my talk page? I would suggest DISCUSSING your edits on the talk page instead of reverting and making blind accusations of vandalism. Thanks 24.128.247.159 (talk) 06:54, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * You added opinionated and unsourced information to an article marked as controversial. The edits apepar to be inappropriate. As for the warning messages, they are added automaticly, and quite frankly, I believe that your edits merited them.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  07:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Kids in the Hall
I removed 14(!) pages (on my screen) of fancruft, which I indicated in my edit summary. There's no justification for that material to remain in that article. 71.49.82.44 (talk) 00:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sven, please read all edit summaries. @44, I've undone Sven's revert. @the M0N0 01:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is why I don't do vandalism fighting very often. I saw the edit summary, I also saw that several thousand characters of text being removed. I suppose I called it wrong. Go ahead and make the change. I have no personal investment in that article.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  02:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My thanks to both of you. Sometimes you can't judge an edit by the number of characters removed. *wink* 71.49.82.44 (talk) 06:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Morrowind Soundtrack Cover.png
 Thanks for uploading File:Morrowind Soundtrack Cover.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 16:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I don't particularly mind one way or the other, this was an upload from WP:FFU.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: B from Marcy Place
Hello Sven Manguard. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of B from Marcy Place, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: '''A7 does not apply to albums. This may well not pass WP:NALBUMS - consider PROD or AfD.''' Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * ...but now the groups's article is gone, A9 does it. JohnCD (talk) 08:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  16:47, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

From IRC logs
[23:24] <Sven_Manguard> Okay. I have questions. ArticleAlertbot, the bot that historically generated article alerts, has been down since April 2010. A new bot, being developed by JoeGazz84 isn't online yet. Meanwhile AAlertBot just went on a 14 day trial. It's by H3llkn0wz. [23:24] <Sven_Manguard> My questions are this: [23:24] <Sven_Manguard> 1) Are these both the same thing? [23:24] <Sven_Manguard> 2) Will AAlertBot be using the same that came with the wikiprojects when they got created? [23:24] <Sven_Manguard> 3) What do I need to do to make sure my projects are subscribed for AAlertBot?


 * 1) ArticleAlertbot (old bot) and AAlertBot (new bot) are different bots, which use different code, etc... whose purpose are the same, i.e. that of delivering the Article Alerts to WikiProjects and Taskforces.
 * 2) The new bot should be backwards compatible with the old one. That is projects with existing alerts shouldn't have to do anything to accommodate the new bot, at least in theory. In practice a couple of features may be missing, so projects which used the fancier options (like the transclusion of deletion discussions, currently unsupported) might want to tune their alerts while these fancy options are being developed.
 * 3) Right now, Article alerts/Subscribing details the old way of doing things. As I said, this should still work (following bot approval). If it doesn't, documentation will be updated accordingly, and notices will be sent to WikiProjects.

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 09:52, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Copied reply to Wikipedia_talk:Article_alerts.
 * Thanks!  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Your Suggestions for the ManhattanGMAT Page
Hi Sven Manguard, thank you for your input on my article Manhattan. I looked over the two pages you recommended (NPOV and SOURCES) and based on your comments I deleted the questionable source from my citations. I replaced it with two new sources that are more directly about the company. I hope the addition of these sources will help bring my page closer to being ready for the mainspace. Please let me know if you would recommend further revision. Also, I am replying here as well as on my talkpage along with the talkback tag you request in yoru rules as I am unsure exactly how you most like to conduct your correspondence. Please let me know if there is a protocol you would like me to follow for future conversations (e.g. only leaving a tlkaback tag with no more clutter). Thank you. ImTheBombardier (talk) 21:07, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm going to be out of communication for a while, so you should probably talk to other people in Articles for Creation. The best way to do this is over the IRC (channel wikipedia-en-help). Sorry,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  00:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Sven Manguard, thank you for your help. I will look for others to assist me while you are out of communication. Thanks, ImTheBombardier (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
<div style="position: relative; margin: 0 -1em; padding: 0; background-color: transparent; border: none; height: 1%;"> <div style="overflow:hidden; position:absolute; border:1em solid white; -moz-border-radius:20px; -webkit-border-radius:20px; border-radius:20px; margin-top:-412px; margin-left:-0.5em; background-color:transparent; width:588px; height:346px; background-image: -moz-linear-gradient(right, #F97161, transparent); background-image: -webkit-gradient(linear, right top, left top, from#F97161), to(transparent));"><div style="overflow:hidden; position:absolute; border:0.25em ridge black; -moz-border-radius:7px; -webkit-border-radius:7px; border-radius:7px; background-color:transparent; width:582px; height:340px;">

<div style="position: absolute; right:2em; top:2em; z-index:10; width:700px; border:none; padding:0.5em 1em 2em -1em; background-color:none; text-align:right; v-align:center;">  May your family have a joyous holiday season and a new year blessed with hope and happiness.  <div style="right: 1em; top: 1em; z-index: 10; width: 96.9%; border: none; padding: 0.75em 1em; background: transparent; text-align: left;"> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

/ ƒETCH COMMS  /  05:07, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Blueprint Cru
Hi. You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has now been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to take it to AfD. regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for Deletion
I was rather impressed Wikipedia even allowed articles on Christianity. If you're not a believer, then I can understand your frustration, but if that is not the case, your nomination could possibly set a precedent. Wikipedia does allow for arbitration. But, to be frank, your nomination to delete my userpage is a personal attack. Ronewirl (talk) 05:04, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care what your beliefs are. The fact that you are calling the nomination for deletion a personal attack demonstrates that you hold those beliefs so closely that any slight to them, perceived or realistic, sets you off in such a manner that you cannot act rationally. Even that I don't really care about. There are plenty of people that want to tell me what the believe. I tend to filter them out, as I really could care less what complete strangers think, (if I want to know what someone believes, I'll ask.) The reason I placed your page up for deletion is because there already is a precedent. Userpages, indeed all of Wikipedia, are not to be used as soapboxes. Opinions can be expressed within reason, but using your userpage in such a way is a violation of longstanding policy. I might be confusing you with someone else, but if I'm not mistaken, someone else has already deleted or nominated for deletion you page, for the same reason.
 * Oh, and one more thing. If I wanted to launch a personal attack on you, it would be a lot less subtle. As it stands, I have done no such thing, so you can cut with the accusations to the contrary. Now please be so kind as to not post on my page again. Thanks,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:14, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Do I know you? I read your comment here.  It would seem you know who I am.  I started editing here in 2004 I think.  The admin at the time, explained to me that I CAN use my userpage as a soapbox if I wanted to.  If we need to formally get a consensus on this from an administrator, ... sounds good to me.  Ronewirl (talk) 05:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I just asked an admin to look it over, and posted my thoughts on the MfD. We'll see where it goes from there. And no, I don't know you, I never heard of you before the MfD. I'm not exactly sure how I found your page either, to be honest. I'm pretty sure I wound up there from one of the backlogged categories I was working on in The Great Backlog Elimination Drive. Either way, I've been in a lot of random pages recently because of that. It's nothing personal.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Declined AfC Submission
Hi Sven, I'm new to this all and hope I've done the right thing by communicating here. If not apologies. You reviewed an article of mine and it's been declined due to sources and verifiability. I'm not 100% sure why? I added sources and the information is verfiable via those sources? If you could explain I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks OllyLondon (talk) 05:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Handling via IRC now.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Faery: Legends of Avalon
Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Vitória-SC (cycling team)
RE: edit, I don't see your name on the list of volunteers at WikiProject Unreferenced articles and was wondering what brought you to try and find reference for the article Vitória-SC (cycling team). Jeepday (talk) 17:53, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I really have no intention of finding refrences for unreferenced articles. I am of the belief that all unreferenced articles, over 300,000 at the moment, should be deleted immediately, or at the very least, blanked until references can be found. I went out and prodded a couple of articles on a whim after having a discussion on unreferenced articles at the talk page of Articles for Creation. I'd love to do more, but it's a futile effort. This project will throw itself onto swords keeping things that clearly go against the stated intentions of building a reliable encyclopedia, just to "be kind to the newbies." Well, I did seven or so, and I was aiming for doing 100 (or the entire month of October 2006) before the futility of it all caught up with me. BTW I am part of the backlog elimination drive, and unsourced articles is one of their backlogs, but I'm doing image work for them, this really wasn't part of my work there. Feel free to remove the PROD if you want, at this point I don't really care. Hope that answered your question,  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  20:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Articles_for_creation/Redirects
Regarding the redirect, I believe that the term that this IP editor wants created is Wmata, which does not exist, instead of the all-caps [ WMATA] abbreviation. :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  08:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

FSC
Sven, if you want to do a brief round-up of 2010 in terms of FSs and FSC for next week, that would be possible as a special little feature. Not too long, though—two or three shortish paras? Stand-outs? Proportions and types of music vs speech? Prospects for growth? Tony  (talk)  05:06, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. You should know though, I only found out about it recently. I'm not sure if I'm the best person to ask. I'll email you something though. We'll see how it goes.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  05:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback: Hey! Say! JUMP!
— <font color="#DC143C" face="Garamond" size="3">Spike <font color="#000000" face="Garamond" size="3">Toronto  19:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I "handled" the situation.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  19:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Your comment at my Request
Hi Sven, thanks for your thoughts at my RfA. I'm sorry if you feel this is inappropriate, but could I ask you to reconsider the language you've used in your neutral? This is apparently going to be a controversial RfA, and I feel it might reduce the drama involved if you could perhaps take some of the force (if not the meaning) out of your comment. Thanks! -- Lear's Fool 04:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I suppose I will change it, but I was being mild compared to what I wanted to say. The behavior in your RfA disgusts me. As I have said multiple times, if RfA is broken, it is the people, not the process, that is to blame. You got stuck with some serious people problems here, and I feel bad for you in that respect.  S ven M anguard   <font color="FCD116">Wha?  04:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I'm a resilient sort, and I do think their opposes are in good faith. Anyway, thanks!  -- Lear's Fool 04:27, 30 December 2010 (UTC)