User talk:Swarren16

Ardel Wray edits
If you are the person who initially created the draft, and are a representative of Wray's estate, you will need to review conflict of interest and possibly the paid editing policy(if you are paid for your work). Drafting the page for review before posting is the proper way to go- but you will still need to be aware of those policies. Any questions, please post them here. Thanks 331dot (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Deleted edits
You should always edit the current version of Help desk. Start a new section if needed. Draft:Ardel Wray is still deleted. I only see four edits in the page history [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Swarren16/sandbox&action=history] of your sandbox and seven edits in total at Special:Contributions/Swarren16. Please link the page where you see 500+ edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear PrimeHunter, here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Swarren16/sandbox&action=history. I'm sorry for this, and the apparent mess I made of the old HelpDesk thread; some editor named Murph9000 is ticked off with me and I'm beginning to feel like an idiot. Thanks again for your help. Swarren16
 * That page has four visible edits and zero deleted edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Email regarding Help desk
N.B. I do not discuss routine Wikipedia editing by email, for privacy reasons. The messages you got are just automatic notifications from the system. You replaced the entire help desk page with an old version from mid-September, erasing everyone else's current questions and discussions. I reverted it very quickly before the harm could multiply. I then went back and extracted just your new message and pasted that in at the end of the current page contents. Murph 9000 (talk) 20:02, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And I believe this is the message.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  21:35, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Ardel Wray has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ardel Wray. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Robert. Can you please direct me to an article that references Wikipedia articles using the 'See also...' convention you recommend? Also, with regard to links, what is your advice about referencing an article from text that is not necessarily the title of the article? For example, if I link to Mark Robson at the top of a paragraph, is that a sufficient reference for other information later in the paragraph? Or, would I have to include another link from the relevant text or provide a 'See also' reference??? Thanks. SW (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you got an answer to your questions. See also is a common section in articles, see: Martin Luther King Jr.. You only need to link to another wikipedia page once per article. Sorry that you have gotten a slow response, often it helps to include (for instance  - if you look at the wikicode, take out the nowikitags) in responses to "ping" a user you are messaging. Feel free to let me (or Robert) know if you have any more questions.

Smmurphy(Talk) 16:17, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I figured this out myself, I think.  I'm assuming that someone will let me know if I need more/other adjustments.  I have no idea where I am in this ever-changing queue you have going (800 submissions one day, 1026 the next).  I submitted two weeks ago and can't find the page in the "pending" list.  Also not sure how/where to apply your proposed  .  Any insights gratefully received.  SW (talk) 18:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Blocked
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for engaging in undisclosed paid editing in contravention of Wikipedia's Terms of Use. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:. Yunshui 雲 水 07:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Please see WP:COI and WP:PAID which explain how to disclose your paid status. Given that you've violated these core policies, be aware that it's less likely any admin will unblock you unless you agree to avoid any further paid editing. --Yamla (talk) 13:52, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Copy and pasting
You have also been involved in copy and pasting others work without attribution. So more than one issue here. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Dear Doc James - the page was reviewed for a missing citation (which was corrected) but nothing else. Please tell me what text is at issue here.  I'm trying to solve another issue regarding Sandbox content and I need to understand what's going on?  Thanks for your help. -- User:SWarren

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331dot, thank you for your email. I followed your instruction and posted the text of my unblock appeal (#25572) above. I trust someone will let me know if I have not this correctly SW (talk) 03:05, 13 June 2019 (UTC) Swarren16


 * Comment This user has created two articles in the past: Ardel Wray and B. F. Brisac. I, myself, never found any obvious NPOV issue with the Tinsel's Town article (in fact, I gave this user a barnstar for it). This definitely seems like a person trying to be a white hat paid editor here. It's certainly worth a review. I can't speak to the copy/paste issue, though. That isn't in my wheelhouse. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 03:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Swarren16 was asked to disclose paid editing by 331dot way before creating these two articles but there was no reply on that warning and then saying I was unfamiliar with the process doesn't sound natural. I would like to ask Swarren16 to disclose all the paid articles they have created or are working on? GSS (talk |c|em ) 04:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * To User:GSS: I have never received any communication from 331dot or anyone else at Wikipedia regarding paid editing before last Monday; if someone has told you that I did, they are misinformed. I have never been paid to write or edit a Wikipedia article prior to 1) the Tinsel's Town page I created last weekend and 2) the research/draft text I put in my Sandbox for another planned article the next day (which caused my account to be blocked on Monday). In 2016, before becoming a user/contributor for my first article (Ardel Wray) I read up on basic Terms and Conditions and saw that there was a section on paid editing but, because I wasn't being paid and had no intention of doing "paid editing" at that time, I didn't study that Help section and never looked at it again until Monday.  That was what I was referring to when I said that I was unfamiliar with the process - I was aware of the requirement, but didn't know how to do it.  I am now freelancing and, as I tried to explain, I was juggling other work deadlines and simply forgot to look up the details and post the necessary info prior to pushing the Tinsel's Town page live.
 * Regarding "cut and paste": I have explained how I use my Sandbox - it's just a method of working - any uncited/unattributed text placed there temporarily is deleted prior to creating an article/page. I used my Sandbox this same way on the Ardel Wray and B. F. Brisac pages I created, as well as on the expanded edit of the Virginia Brissac page I did in 2018 (and those three are my only contributions to Wikipedia until now).  As I said, if the information I was given in 2016 about the Sandbox being a 'private workspace' was incorrect or has changed, I will simply do all my development and draft work offline.
 * About Doc James' note on text in Tinsel's Town: I have no idea what he is talking about and he has declined to elaborate. I have scrupulously researched and sourced that article.  When a Wikepedia editor suggested the need for more citations, I made changes accordingly. Citation/attribution is not an exact science; the what/when/how varies from one publisher to another, and I strive to understand and honor expectations as quickly as possible.  In addition to the 'Barnstar' award on this site, the article had already been reviewed and referenced on other sites when it was taken down.
 * I hope I have addressed your concerns and I will be happy to address any others you might have. I would very much like to be considered for a White Hat/Paid Editor designation and I sincerely thank MJL for the recommend. SW (talk) 15:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You were asked to review these policies twice by first on 20 August 2016 (see User talk:WrayEstate) and then four days later on this talk page (please see here). On 17 Sep 2016, you recreated Ardel Wray and failed to disclose a connection to the article's subject, then on 22 Dec 2018, you created B. F. Brisac and again failed to disclose COI. GSS  (talk |c|em ) 18:10, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, dear sir - that was four years ago. Once the Wray Estate account and page was closed, I assumed my connection to the Estate was understood.  I did not receive emails instructing me to do anything, and I'm not on this site often enough to go check; back then, I had enough trouble just figuring out how to use the site - clearly I still have the problem.  Call me an idiot if you wish, but I'm not out to dupe anyone.  Just to make contributions.  And if I have a reason to contribute 'professionally', you can be assured that I will figure out how to use this Byzantine interface and be able to quote your Help sections chapter and verse.  Please, give me a break here. SW (talk) 21:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify (I don't want to make the same mistake and "assume" that you understand): The people I have written about are all relatives, all long dead, and all with "notable" careers in California. I was not paid to write about them.  I like to write, and for the first time in years, in 2016 I had some free time.  I started with these subjects because I have special knowledge of some chapters in California history and the history of the motion picture industry that are not readily available elsewhere ("estate papers").  To me, that is part of what is unique and good about the Wikipedia platform - it is a place where certain histories can be brought to light that might not be known otherwise. As I understand it, you have individual groups of editors dedicated to those kinds of historical categories, which is probably why they let my notice-less pages slide. SW (talk) 23:20, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * We are not really looking for any more paid editors... Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 01:53, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I do know the community is not enthusiastic about paid editors, but I do feel if the cut/paste issue is resolved (?) then at a minimum a ban on paid editing could be sufficient. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 01:59, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Those comments by made me physically wince. It's not look good for you, SW, even still (COI issues notwithstanding).  As to the writing articles on relatives, that's still a WP:COI. For example, I am related to Sadek Hilal (who has passed as well), but I do not edit his article because the fact he is related by marriage to my family could be perceived as a conflict for me as an editor. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:05, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

--UTRSBot (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Second onwiki unblock request
Thank you. SW (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I added the header because the thread was getting too long for me to navigate. More importantly, I wanted to say that I think you should re-read our WP:PAID and WP:COI policies. You should never directly edit articles for which you have a COI. To my limited knowledge the two ways paid editors influence wikipedia content is by (1) using Request edit and (2) Submitting draft articles to WP:AFC [both with the proper notices/disclosures and such]. Lastly, I am not admin (far from it lol). I'm a newbie editor who just thought the article was above average and wanted to encourage you as a fellow newbie editor to stick around. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:18, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Re your email of 6/14/19, can you advise as to when this request will be reviewed? Thanks. SW (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Unblock requests go in a queue reviewed by volunteers (who must not be the blocking admin or anyone who reviewed an unblock request on that block) in their (sometimes rare) free time. Obvious cases might be considered within a few minutes, while others might stay unreviewed for more than a month. Jannik Schwaß (talk) 20:07, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to let me know. SW (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

At a glance
I see a COI editor commented on your talk page. Is there some of off- wiki connection, without going into specifics? Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Who's the COI editor? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 16:48, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Who indeed?  Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I was seriously asking, but now I think you mean me? &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 17:32, 4 July 2019 (UTC)