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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021
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The WikiEagle - January 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Climb Collaboration Current
Template:Climb Collaboration Current has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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New administrator activity requirement
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022
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NYC Wiknic, June 26
Hold the date. Meetup/NYC Wiknic in Crotona Park, Sunday June 26.

Watch Meetup/NYC/Wiknic June 2022 for further details as they become available.

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The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022
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Important Notice
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Question
I don't suppose there is anything I could say to you that would convince you to say "I'm going to walk away for a bit, and re-look at this in a while. Maybe all six of you guys are wrong, maybe I am.  I'll look again." --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:26, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've edited all I intend to edit on that article. And if this is the way that admins are going to be behaving on Wikipedia, this site is dead to me. It's a shame, I used to respect Nick and Dennis both.  ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 20:31, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have no idea if you used to respect me too, but just in case you did, I think you're in the wrong here, too, FWIW. I know it feels like being ganged up on, six people edit conflicting with you to tell you you're wrong. I've got my back up before when too many people are telling me the same thing at the same time.  But it's also an indication that maybe you're actually in the wrong?  And you left a vandalism-1 template on Prax's page; surely you knew that would piss a lot of people off? --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we ever really ran into each other much, or if we did my apologies but I don't remember it. I certainly respect your approach here though. ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 20:52, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The vandalism-1 template is the lightest and softest touch of all the warnings about unconstructive editing. All it says is: "I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive." and directs them to resources. It also spelled out my specific reasoning for issuing it -- that the claims of "original research" and "synth" weren't valid. And it prompted an incivil response right off the top, followed by threats and insults from admins who ought to know better. That set the tone for the rest of the encounter. If that was sufficient to "piss a lot of people off", then I think the existence of the civility policy as a whole needs to be revisited. ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 20:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * But didn't you act similarly when thewolfchild left a template here a while ago? A templated warning is like a red cape to a bull: to me, to Prax, to you, and to many people. I fear we're looking at a case where "to template" is an irregular verb: I leave a helpful warning template, you templated a regular, he/she left a &#*%T&@ template on my talk page''. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:57, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I used a different template there; but regardless their response was equally unacceptable. "I disagree with what you're saying" is now devolving to "Competency is Required" as an insult. That would have been a near instant incivility block back in the day (from a 3rd party, obviously not myself), and there's now uninvolved admins swooping in to pile on, while saying nary a word to anyone else. "Rules for me but not for thee" is not the way we should work.  ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 21:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Funny how the same voices that seemed to have so much to say about reliable sources don't have anything to say about the flurry of NAFO coverage from..... The Economist, Washington Post, Vice, Politico, shoutouts from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov putting up his own fella, etc. or how the material they were trying to remove is overwhelmingly back in the article. Quite telling, that. ⇒  SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 05:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this directed at me, or more like a blog post mislocated in a thread I started? Why would people who were worried about stuff being sourced to unreliable sources be worried about that same stuff now being sourced to reliable sources?  I think you still fundamentally misunderstand what the problem was. But you're also giving off an "eggshell armed with a hammer" vibe, so I think I'm done trying to do my kumbaya shtick. It's emotionally draining to talk to someone you know for a fact isn't listening to you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:03, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not directed at you at all -- I had thought the outdent, and the paragraph separation, would have made that clear. But unfortunately, I think you've just made it clear that it isn't me who isn't listening -- the point is that the sources were never unreliable in the first place, Saint Javelin was never "spam", and that the article has since been updated has in fact vindicated my edits. So I'mma be real with you Floquenbeam -- I don't actually believe you came here in good faith to genuinely hear what I thought. I didn't ask for a "kumbaya schtick." I gave you genuine, good faith explanations of my position because I thought you were looking to discuss it.   The fact that I explained my reasoning behind the template choice, and my issues with the weaponized use of WP:CIR as an insult?  Didn't merit a response. Me speaking *on my own talk page* to the void, saying "Oh look, guess I was right all along?" That's what prompts a sudden accusation that I'm "not listening?" That's "emotionally draining?" Imagine how emotionally draining getting ganged up on and harassed by Wikimedians who don't understand core concepts of WP:CIVIL is? Imagine how emotionally draining being told by someone you've never met that you're "incompetent" because they disagree with your edits. That's all OK and doesn't prompt any "kumbaya schtick" from you, but me literally talking to myself does? Bless your heart.  ⇒   SWAT Jester   Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 14:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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