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 * I saw your note on the deleting administrator's user talk page. Then I looked for the google cache version of her article, which will be available for a few more days.  I would have left a !vote for keep.  Not every author is notable.  Not every professor is notable.  Notability should depend on whether RS write about an individual.  Sadly, many AFD nominators are unwilling or unable to comply with WP:BEFORE.  Other nominators' nominations make nominations that boil down to "Well, if I were a newspaper's senior editor, I wouldn't allow my reporters to write about this individual, who I personally consider a nobody," without clueing in to how counter-policy this is.  We are supposed to rely on the opinions in RS.  We are supposed to recognize that our own personal opinions are completely irrelevant.
 * Have you considered asking for the article to be "userified"? This allows you to (temporarily) hide it from search engines, in userspace, so we can work on them, at leisure, and address the stated justifications, if any, offered at the AFD.  If you decide the enhanced version is ready, you can move it back to article space.  If people consider the new version isn't sufficiently different, some people might get grumpy with you.  But if you can add new things, awards, more publications, being given a named chair, spending a sabbatical at a prestigious institution, these would all counter the notion she was a nobody.  I see multiple Forbes articles mention her.  Profiles in prestigious newspapers or magazines should help.
 * Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Could use pointers on article (nun biography)
Greetings Sweet kate,

so I have recently joined Women in Red, and by the end of July had semi-randomly settled on some potential candidates of the suggested July Julies (turns out she was actually misplaced there since her name is not related to July, but oh well, July is over anyway ^^). However, I have come across two problems that I'd like to solve before continuing turning the sources into prose. And I hope you might be able to help me with that, or at least point me in the right direction.

a) She Wikidata for Irma La Fer de la Motte was a nun living at Sisters of Providence of Saint Mary-of-the-Woods under Théodore Guérin there. I saw you had started several of the articles of the later leaders (which is why I came here), and on some you used the template Infobox religious biography. I thought it looked nice and would somewhat fit my article, too, so I copied it (into my sandbox). However, I then realized it contained some parameters which I do not understand, and the template does not have a documentation about these. Primarily, this is about the "profession", which makes a subsection called senior posting appear in the infobox - and I know neither why, nor whether that makes sense for my biography. Also, naming conventions are not clear to me, so e.g. where/whether to use birth_name and monastic_name. Basically, I don't know much about nuns in general, but would still like to write the article. Could you give me some pointers? Does the infobox template even fit? (Note: I posted a question about this on wikiproject: religion before, but activity there seems to be quite low)

b) Wikidata. For the articles I had created before in mainspace, a Wikidata item was created some time after. I do not fully understand that process, and for this article it can not be the same, since I am actually working from an existing Wikidata item to form the article. So...
 * How do I link the article (once in mainspace) to the wikidata item? I'm afraid that if I do nothing, it will just create a duplicate data item, which can't be right.
 * I have two sources that both state she was born 15 April 1816, not 16 April as Wikidata holds - and also definitely not 1818, as the referenced value claims (her death date is correct). I cannot verify the reference, as it only points to the "Catholic Encyclopedia", and when I search in it (at archive.org) I can not find an entry for either her normal or religious (?) name. So, can I just edit Wikidata to rectify this? (Wikidata confuses me a bit in general, I must admit)

So yeah, I hope you can help me with that. Cheers! --LordPeterII (talk) 22:57, 5 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Let me see what I can help with!


 * a) That religious biography infobox certainly has some in-crowd terms, and a fair number of them only apply to priests who follow really specific career trajectories. You can just ignore anything that doesn't quite make sense. Regarding the names: Some (not all) people who enter religious life take a religious/monastic name they then go by in daily life. So a person born "Anna Anderson" may take the religious name "Sister Mary Alma" — her birth name would be Anna Anderson, and her religious name would be [Sister] Mary Alma. (It's tricky to decide what to name the whole article, but I try to find the name they were most known by in the most active part of their life. Often for clarity, it's the religious name plus last name, like Mary Alma Anderson — then explain the situation in the article.)


 * b) Re: Wikidata. Wikidata is in-the-background, language-independent database of Wikipedia facts. When it works well, it lets people of any language go and see the basic facts and sources of a particular item, to either write an article or in their language or otherwise learn about a topic. Lots of editors (and bots) do work on Wikidata to fill in info and create new Wikidata items when new articles are written, which is how items got added for articles you wrote. When the Wikidata item already exists, you can link it to the Wikipedia article by going to Wikidata and adding the English article in the "Wikipedia" area. Like here for Mother Theodore Guerin Q434579 you can see all the language Wikipedia articles linked to the Wikidata item — to add a new one you include the language code ("en") and the name of your new article, and then they're linked.


 * Wikidata sourcing is tricky, especially when old sources contradict. If you're confident in your data, you can edit existing statements, or add additional ones and include your source. For this one, I'd maybe edit the unsourced one to match your sources, and then add the sources below as part of the statement. (And just leave the weird Catholic Encyclopedia one there too). Wikidata makes sense the more time you spend there, but it's definitely overwhelming at first. My rule of thumb with Wikidata is always to look at similar people who are fleshed out and see how they do it, and copy the methods used there. Good luck! Sweet kate (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Alright, guess then I'll leave out anything I'm unsure about, and if necessary someone else can add it in the article later.


 * And I suppose I understand now what Wikidata is, I'm just a tad skeptical about it. I mean, half the pages I've looked at there lack any sources, and others - like the one here - only have very few that are only sourced to "some book", but not the page within or any way to easily verify the claim. And while the nun I am writing about isn't a living person, I kinda like the rigour with which BLP article verification is enforced on Wikipedia, and am not sure whether it is the same on Wikidata (I somehow doubt it). But I guess I'll just stay on the Wikipedia side for now, and only link articles in as you said - how to do that was the information I was missing, so thanks :) --LordPeterII (talk) 20:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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