User talk:SwimDude

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January 2011
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Please don't remove sourced content without valid explanation
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1. Please explain to me why you feel it is necessary to include the Conviction, Penalty and Federal Prisoner number in the right-side box on Michael Milken's BLP page. I do not see one single such reference on any other page in Wikipedia involving someone not currently serving. SwimDude (talk) 05:39, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Please don't edit war
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Michael Milken. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Active  Banana    (bananaphone  21:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
 * 2) Editors violating the rule will usually be blocked for 24 hours for a first incident.
 * 3) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * You have been warned against edit warring. Please stop. Active Banana    (bananaphone  22:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry case
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Your recent edits
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Milken is not alone
We do frequently have the conviction and penalty noted in other infoboxes. A quick sampling finds: and occasionally ID number So I disagree with your premise that Milken is somehow being singled out. Active Banana    (bananaphone  22:35, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Kenneth Lay
 * Timothy McVeigh
 * Anton Gelonkin
 * Al Capone
 * Ted Kaczynski


 * So why does Martha Stewart not have this type of information in her box at the top of the page? Why not Michael Vick? Is there a Wiki standard ... or not? SwimDude (talk) 23:15, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Because each article is created on its own based on what the reliable sources say and what the editorial consensus on that article is deemed to be appropriate for that article. And Micheal Vick DOES HAVE that information. Active  Banana    (bananaphone  23:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

It has it far down the page - not at the top. I guess you and everyone else is reaching consensus and disregarding my input, correct? SwimDude (talk) 02:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No more than you are ignoring
 * Kenneth Lay
 * Timothy McVeigh
 * Anton Gelonkin
 * Al Capone
 * and that have ignored John Nagle analysis that Vick and Stewart were convicted of crimes that were not related to the acts that made them notable in the first place. Active Banana    (bananaphone  14:28, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? Three are dead and the other comes from Russia, where rule of law doesn't exist. My point is: two Wiki contributors have decided that they are correct and a third is not; therefore the third can simply be disregarded. If we were having a discussion designed to reach consensus (and that is what Wiki is about, right?), then you might have to consider that the Milken bio contains a more-than thorough vetting of his legal issues. You also might recognize that Milken has another side to him, and that just perhaps, he should not be defined in the box at the top of his page solely by a 20-year-old conviction, but by the full breadth of his life. To disregard one in favor of the other is not building consensus, it's imposing your own POV. C'mon. We both know Milken is a controversial figure. The question is can we offer a complete overview of his life without POV or bias. SwimDude (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Your sock-puppetry diminishes your credibility. JoeSperrazza (talk) 02:01, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We cover article topics in proportion to the coverage given them by reliable sources - if anything, the % of reliably sourced content covering Milkens crimes is under represented in our article compared to the what % of the pixels and ink written about him cover. Active Banana    (bananaphone  22:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Jan 2011 block
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for sockpuppetry. Once the block has expired, you're welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2011 (UTC)