User talk:SwisterTwister/Archive 9

Draft:Matty T Wall Submission
Okay, so I've looked everywhere, in the additions made in the article there have been not only reviews, but also indications of people from all over the world, in multiple languages blogging and writing about Matty T Wall, there are indications of his musical influences as well as interviews with the man as well. The fact that he is in tour around both Australia and North America, shows that he is covering a global range and audience, in addition to the numerous articles written about him. Could you either clarify for me what exactly you mean by his notability not being demonstrated, especially since his style of play is so different from most if not all modern day bands, or check again? Thanks in advance. DFuzes (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Family Mosaic
I've AfD this article after seeing it in STiki, I personally don't think it passes WP:GNG, but oh well. Link is here. Thanks for your time! Best, Nicnote  •  ask me a question  •  contributions  21:05, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Kuladhar
I'm not sure about all these surname pages you've been creating, but I noticed that Kuladhar claims to list people with the surname Kuladhar, even though both entries appear to be first names. Did you make a mistake, or are these from parts of India where they put the family name first? If the latter is the case then I would expect there to be indication of this on the respective articles.... — Smjg (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Feedback Question
Hi, you recently reviewed the article I created and left a comment saying "Would highly benefit from all available major independent news and art reviews". Many of the major independent news and reviews are from older jewellery magazines relating to the invention of the quadrillion and invisible set. I have already listed some of them as sources however there are no urls since they haven't been digitally archived. Is this absolutely necessary for the approval, if so do you have any other suggestions. I believe the notability is somewhat represented in the view-able references as well as other wikilinks. However, some guidance would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finishedfirst (talk • contribs) 01:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:The Empty Grave
Hi, thank you for reviewing my draft. You wrote that my draft should wait since the book isn't released. I would like to say that articles like Annabelle: Creation is an upcoming film. Why has it been made into an article, and why can't mine be made into one? Plum3600 (talk) 20:19, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I tried looking for more news for Draft:The Empty Grave but since the book hasn't been released there isn't much. Can you make my draft into an article and when there is more information on the book I can add it? It would mean a lot to me. Plum3600 (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

00:06:32, 17 April 2017 review of submission by BookReviewer
Thanks for the comments. Added more books. He's a co-author on 4 NYT best-selling books in addition to 4 of his own from recognizable publishers (not self-published). Can you look and see if those additional books allow for publishing the entry? This is my first original page, so trying to get it right.

BookReviewer (talk) 00:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi there - I appreciate your feedback on the Dylan Collins page via my Talk page. I'm happy to improve the article to meet notability, but can you suggest the best method for doing that? I don't want to undo your reversion, but can you suggest a better way for me to undo and improve without looking like an edit war? I can do this all in one edit but undo felt a bit odd. Thanks Misterpottery (talk) 11:22, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Paul Fox (Singer)
Hi SwisterTwister,

Thanks for reviewing my article: Draft:Paul_Fox_(Singer) The reason I am trying to submit this page firstly is because if you Google 'Paul Fox Reggae' the first result is a Wikipedia page about Paul Fox of the Ruts who died a few years ago. We have the same name and this means that many people think I am dead! I am working in the same section of the reggae scene as a number of other people who have Wikipedia pages and I used their pages as a guideline to what is required as they were obviously approved. Below are a couple of examples of Wikipedia pages which either have the same level of links regarding 'notability' or less (and in some cases no working reference links at all). Please could you let me know if they were approved why my page has not been approved. Vibronics Zion_Train

Many thanks and your time is much appreciated.

Paul Bushman0187 (talk) 18:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

18:04:00, 17 April 2017 review of submission by VoodooEconomics
Could I get you to take another look at the iRhythm Technologies page? I know you get a ton of requests every day, so no rush of course. I'm just so curious. (I checked my email like every hour this weekend, even in the middle of the night...) this was my first shot at an article as I'm trying to learn the process. I was trying to be patient... but I failed....

Let me start by saying, I 100% agree that my first draft was pretty much just a "business listing". I was having a hard time figuring out what to write about a company while making sure that it didn't sound like an advertisement. To remedy this, I went and read a number of articles featured by the Companies Wikiproject and that helped to break me out of my writer's block. :) I think that I've fleshed it out a lot better.

As for the "notability", I'll admit I was a little confused because I read in WP:Notability_(organizations_and_companies) that things like analyst reports were valid for establishing notability, which is where I was trying to get most of my references. They weren't announcements from iRhythm, but rather articles by analysts about iRhythm. Either way, I added some references from a couple books and peer-reviewed research that discuss iRhythm and their products. So, I think that I've got notability covered now. But I am curious to get your take on what does and doesn't establish notability for companies.

Thank you so much for your contributions, and thanks in advance for your feedback! VoodooEconomics (talk) 18:04, 17 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) might be interesting to you as you are considering my questions. It looks like there is a discussion about clarifying that each round of venture capitalism round is a "significant event". I know that this isn't approved policy yet, but I thought it worth noting. Looks like they were trying to get people to weigh in on the issue. Personally, I'm not sure that I agree that a round of VC is inherently significant, but coverage of multiple rounds from multiple sources does seem to me like it would be significant. And coverage by an independent analyst of a company going public does seem like it makes a company not just notable but noted. Just a thought as I'm exploring what makes companies "Notable". Thanks again for your time and helping me figure all of this out. I really appreciate your contributions! VoodooEconomics (talk) 18:59, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:The Whispering Skull
You told me that the sources have to be notable. The daily telegraph and The Guardian are noticeable news. Can you be more specific please. Plum3600 (talk) 22:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Prod on Saran Kaba Jones
Just a note to let you know that I took the prod off of this article and fixed it. There a a LOT of very good, in-depth sources. The promotional aspect of the article has been largely eliminated.96.127.244.11 (talk) 01:03, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Min-on Draft
I've tried to comply to your's and Dr. Stauss's suggestions (he is out till July). Please take a look and hopefully accept. Min-on is a huge international concert association and shouldn't fly under Wikipedia radar.Stgrlee16 (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC) I may have screwed up the previous post by accident. If so apologies.Stgrlee16 (talk) 16:28, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 01:13:12, 19 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Desireia Valteau
Desireia Valteau (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I do not understand the rejection for the article submitted on Prof. Olufemi Vaughn. You said, "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject..." What references should the professor have? As for the latter question, not sure of the reliable sources independent of the subject? Do you mean, for example, a colleague not in African studies? A college president? Help:) Thanks! Desireia Valteau (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)Desireia

Request on 07:21:23, 19 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Pedro dreamcheaper
Hi there,

I would like to know how I could write this article in order to remain legal and have the quality required. In order to write it, I have read several articles in Wikipedia about similar booking platforms. I think my article is aligned with the articles I reviewed.

It is not the first time I am trying to submit this draft, and I don't know how to make it even more neutral. Before you answer, I have already read several "how to write an article in Wikipedia" kind of articles.

Last but not least, it's true that the article is based on other interviews, press releases, notices and so on. I would like to know which are the differences between the references of the article of booking.com (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booking.com) and my article. In fact, these two are aligned in so many ways, not only references - although it's true that DreamCheaper is not as big as booking.com. Same happens with momondo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momondo) and Trivago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivago), and some other articles.

Could you please help me out here at writing this and get it published?

Best regards, Pedro

Pedro dreamcheaper (talk) 07:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 11:34:53, 19 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Alessandra Diana
Hi! I need help, as I have already been changing the text several times and it still doesn't seem to be respecting the criteria. I would like to know exactly what is wrong, so that I can finally make the right adjustments and get the page back on Wikipedia as it was before.

I have had this comment from you: 'Too suggestive of an advertised client business profile.' Can you please tell me more precisely what is wrong and how should it be modified?

Thank you.

Alessandra Diana (talk) 11:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

19 April 2017 → Concerning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Johannes_Susen
Florine Calleen (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC) Hello SwisterTwister,

I hope, you had a good Easter time.

Did you see the latests changes to the article about Johannes Susen I did some weeks ago?

Are the relevance criteria now fulfilled? I have now mainly left TV and radio sources as well as the official site of the World Puzzle Federation.

I am looking forward to an answer thank you so much for your help and my best regards Florine Florine Calleen (talk) 12:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

LaunchDon
I just wanted to let you know that this article that you added a PROD tag to is now being discussed at Articles for deletion/LaunchDon. Edgeweyes (talk) 19:32, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

21:05:36, 19 April 2017 review of submission by Smntstatus
I'm new to creating a new submission, but I'm confused as to why the submission was declined. Elie Abadie is not a professor, he is one of the world's most prominent Sefardi rabbis who was the head rabbi for years at one of NYC's most prominent synagogues. He was recently ousted in a very public and bitter split with the synagogue's main funder. He is also on the boards of several large Sefardi organizations and received the highest civil decoration from the King of Spain. The sources I used included the Forward and New York Post, which are prominent publications. What else can I do to make it better? Smntstatus (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Charles Umerie
Hello, you have declined this page... rightly as it stands... However, I had done a bit of tidying earlier and my last 3 edits seem to have been removed when you added the declinature notice. Is this just an 'anomaly', or am I missing something? Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 23:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

02:37:20, 20 April 2017 review of submission by Michael L. Bower
Hello!

I am trying to submit this article. I've cited the sources, and I'm not sure what the next step is. Do I need to cite particular sentences or items?

Thanks MUCH for your help!!

Michael````Michael L. Bower (talk) 02:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 09:16:30, 20 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Lexoverall
Hello & many thanks for your review! You requested more sources to constitute this topic for Wikipedia. In my opinion the feature of this facility is the history of this building (it's landmarked) in combination with their modern usage. I have more articles and sources about Synchron Stage Vienna but they are in German (I used them for the German article on Wikipedia), can I also use them for citation? Would you agree a publication on Wikipedia then? greets, Lex--Lexoverall (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Lexoverall (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Quirkos
Hi, thanks for looking through and commenting on the draft qualitative software article for Quirkos - as requested I've had some help and added an additional dozen references from research articles, peer reviewed journals and textbooks, hope this helps but any further suggestions welcome! Danfreak (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Maurice Summerfield
Hello, Thanks for looking at the article, you left the message 'Conceivably notable but needs all additional major independent news.' and this was quoted when the article was declined by TheSandDoctor. I have added many new references from the sources suggested and hoped you could take the time to look it over again to see if it now at a standard to be accepted. Thanks and your time, it is much appreciated. Ron Whitenstall at Ashley Mark Publishing (talk) 11:56, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

adding refrences to Ladyvette
Dear SwisterTwister,

i have added several references to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ladyvette with the names of well known journalists of several Italian and international well known media press agencies such as Panorama, RAI and Corriere della Sera trying to demonstrate the notability level of Ladyvette

Best Regards

37.227.194.160 (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC) a fan of Ladyvette but, really, also a fan of Wikipedia... 37.227.194.160 (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Confused (phantom mention)
I am a bit confused, I got a notification saying that you mentioned me in Draft:Peter Clossick however you did not? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 18:27, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, I got them several times this morning myself so I believe it's mistake on the AfC system itself.  SwisterTwister   talk  18:29, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Weird but glad I am not alone haha. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

It happened again lol Draft:Зографов --TheSandDoctor (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

19:36:46, 20 April 2017 review of submission by LWinn
Aliza Nisenbaum's work is currently on display at the Whitney Biennial. This exhibition is considered to be one of the most prestigious and important in the art world, as it foreshadows trends for the future of contemporary art. The author of the article cited primary source information and quotes in the form of interviews and information from Art in America, a respected peer-reviewed source for contemporary art. LWinn (talk) 19:36, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Contemporary Politics (Journal)
Hi SwisterTwister. You moved Contemporary Politics (Journal) from draft to article and I'm wondering if the "j" is "Journal" should be lower case. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:44, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 09:46:10, 21 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Thomasjjsullivan
My new submission - Sullivan's Slide Rule: Approximating the Pythagorean Theorem - has been rejected due to a lack of references to prove notability. I do agree that this is a fair first assessment. However, in this case, I think my method's connection to the Pythagorean Theorem - probably, the most famous equation in the world - could substitute for this shortfall. The method I've devised is broadly applicable and deceivingly simple - you can do it "in your Head" (no squares or square roots).

Would it be possible to ask a reviewer with a mathematical background to spend just 2 minutes reviewing my YouTube video - A Pythagorean Shortcut? It's 12 minutes long but a review of the first 2 minutes by someone familiar with the theorem would be enough to assess its relationship and the notability, I believe, that affords.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6D-ZWX4w2s

I'll say Thanks, in advance, because I truly appreciate your time and effort with this.

Sincerely......tom sullivan

Thomasjjsullivan (talk) 09:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thomasjjsullivan (talk) 09:46, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia entry re-review notability of Isaiah Michalski
Dear Sistertwister,

first off, thank you for reading through my entry draft and for your constructive criticism. I have now added some evidence to the notability of my subject, Isaiah Michalski, and was wondering whether you are satisfied with my changes? I hope I was able to improve the article and I look forward to hearing back from you.

Best, Sevenseas Sevenseassixlands (talk) 12:04, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

16:15:03, 22 April 2017 review of submission by Barabakos13
As to the evidence (and ‘professor test’) given in the wiki link you kindly sent me, I noticed that this says that “Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable”. I wrote in italic the evidence that could be used to substantiate the case.

1.	The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. ''[NUMEROUS PUBLICATIONS ATTEST TO THIS. MOREOVER SEVERAL PUBLICATIONS ARE ALREADY CITED IN WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES, E.G. NM’s BOOK ON MACKENZIE CITED IN WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON MACKENZIE; NM’s BOOK ON IASOS CITED IN WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON IASOS, ETC.]''

2.	The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level. Received the Michael Ventris Memorial Award in 1991 (see page 14 of this document: https://www.sas.ac.uk/sites/default/files/files/Annual%20Reports/98-99_AnnualReport.pdf

3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the IEEE).[ 2]. NM was Elected Fellow of the Society of Antiquaries of London in 2003: see https://www.sal.org.uk/about-us/fellows-directory/M/page/11/

4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions. ''NM has taught at Oxford, Bradford, and Bristol universities, at the latter for over 18 years. Has also been Visiting Professor at University of Milan. Has also been Senior Research Fellow at Cincinnati, Istanbul and Istituto per gli studi Egeo-Anatolici (CNR, Rome). In 2014 was recipient of one of the Bristol University Teaching Awards. Evidence for this: her university webpages and http://www.bristol.ac.uk/classics/news/2014/94.html''

5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon). [not applicable]

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society. ''[Director of Institute of Greece, Rome, and the Classical Tradition at the University of Bristol: see http://www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/research/collaborations/igrct/people/ ]''

7. The person has had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity [NOT APPLICABLE].

8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area. ''[Former EDITOR OF ANNUAL OF THE BRITISH SCHOOL AT ATHENS 2007-2010, a journal rated of the highest international standard by the European Reference Index for the Humanities in three subjects: Classical Studies, History, and Archaeology]. See http://www.bsa.ac.uk/doc_store/Publications/PUB2009_7.pdf''

9. The person is in a field of literature (e.g., writer or poet) or the fine arts (e.g., musician, composer, artist), and meets the standards for notability in that art, such asWP:CREATIVE or WP:MUSIC. [NOT APPLICABLE] --Barabakos13 (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 23:42:57, 22 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Corazon70
Hi there. I received the message about my draft being declined for submission. I understand what you mean about notability but based on the draft itself can you be a bit more specific where I need to add stronger notability based on what I've written so far? Thanks in advance. Corazon70 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Corazon70 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Ways to improve F. Zabriskie
Hi, I'm Graeme Bartlett. SwisterTwister, thanks for creating F. Zabriskie!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Since the person belongs to AAAS a reference from there is not independent. We need independent references to show notability

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The tag is not relevant because WP:PROF applies here, which is not exchangeable and the page is clear by "elected to a major society"; also, this person is from the last early-century and no other sourcing is available. SwisterTwister   talk  00:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Weighing in on an AfD
Please consider giving your opinion on Articles for deletion/Jaise Jose (3rd nomination), as you voted in a previous AfD nomination.  Jupitus Smart  04:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 08:12:52, 24 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Prostrup
You state that the article is simply a marketing stunt. You have accepted this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaperCut which is an ordinary company completely without any uniqueness. Ubiquitech on the other hand can claim 3 areas of uniqueness (IBM mainframe compatibility, one-driver technology and secure public cloud technology). So, 1) if you have a mainframe computer and would like to have secure printing and never hear of Ubiquitech, then your are forced to buy Windows Server technology, 2) if you spend/waste hours and hours on numerous printer drivers you'll waste even more time and 3) if you would like to be more lean and utilize (cheap) public cloud technology, you will need to know of Ubiquitech.

Of course there is an overlap between the notability and Ubiquitech's commercial interest. But how can you avoid this? And are Google, Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. avoiding this?

Ubiquitech has some patents also unique and actually violated by nearly all competitors. Would it help to add these to the article?

You also write in your review: "sources are only announcements or notices". This please explain based on · Ref 1 is a general an independent article, setting the scene. · Refs no 2,4 and 5 are directed only to Ubiquitech and direct proof of text. · Ref 3, 6 are general relevant information. Prostrup (talk) 08:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

07:20:20, 24 April 2017 review of submission by Neilchristopher100
Thanks so much for your super quick review! impressive. Your comment is that I have not provided enough significant independent news, but my cited references are reviews, interviews and articles published by Stuff (the on-line website for the Dominion Post, New Zealands national newspaper), La Stampa (one of the most important national Italian newspapers akin to the NY Times, London Times, Sydney Morning Herald), the London Telegraph, international dance journals (Giornal della Danza and Dancelines), major on-line journal Teatro Critica and Radio New Zealand. The articles cited are all independent news items or interviews. When I compare the references to similar pages one in particular has only 5 citations with 3 being his employers website, a video on youtube and a single review. I really would appreciate some guidance as to why these are not recognised as significant independent news items.

Thanks so much


 * Looking in, I think there is enough, and I'm going yo accept it -- he holds an artistic director position with a national company.  DGG ( talk ) 08:36, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

19:05:49, 24 April 2017 review of submission by Gonzaparra
Dear reviewers,

We are grateful for your comments and suggestions. We answer the following comment about the last edition about our article: ''Comment: Yes, I see but I will mention that (1) it would highly benefit from all additional news and (2) the Executive Team section must be removed as it's too guide-like. SwisterTwister talk 13:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)''

1) As a scientific organization, we do not have interactions with the press, so news in the traditional channels are rare. Instead, our channels for communication are through scientific journals as the ones we included as references. All these articles are submitted to internationally recognized journals that are independent of our organization and evaluated by recognized experts and editors in the field before their publication. We have included more than 20 references to our projects and editorials that were published in some of the most recognized international journals from the field (Plos Computational Biology, BMC Bioinformatics, F1000Research), along the last decade as a collective effort from many different leaders around the world, that have run the Student Council, many of them being recognized scientists nowadays.

2) We agree with the reviewer's comment and we have deleted the Executive Team section.

Gonzaparra (talk) 19:05, 24 April 2017 (UTC)Gonzaparra

The draft: Valencia Ballroom was rejected because  "Perhaps notable but needs all additional significant sourcing for enhancement." Does this mean I have to start all over again? There were no specifics given. Are all of the Newspapers used in the draft insignificant? I have never posted a page on Wikipedia before. I just thought this subject was significant and have seen other ballrooms on Wikipedia. Perhaps there is too much detail. Tass AH 1234 (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

11:58:10, 10 April 2017 review of submission by James at EveryDeal
Hello, Can you please be more specific as to what I am not allowed to have on my page? Thank you.
 * I am sorry that I apparently missed this until now. What was on the page? From what I can tell currently it was not declined by me but rather . --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

14:19:22, 25 April 2017 review of submission by Gonzaparra
Dear SisterTwister, We do not fully understand your last comment. Could you please be more clear about it?

Gonzaparra (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2017 (UTC)Gonzaparra

18:33:12, 25 April 2017 review of submission by Lukeostapchuk
Greetings. Thanks for reviewing my Frank Curzio post.

I am requesting a re-review because I simply confused. I'm mostly concerned with what links/ any specific sections do not fit the Wikipedia content criteria. I was told this post was simply a business, marketing incentivized post. However, I presented all of the information from credible links provided... along with no opinions whatsoever. Being the right hand man behind Jim Cramer (Host on the nationally televised and widely popular show - Mad Money), I figured Frank Curzio was credible enough to write about.

I understand that a few links may be un-credible, but can those be pointed out? From my understanding, the reviewer feel my entire post is from unreliable sources.

Thanks for all the help!

Lukeostapchuk (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)LukeLukeostapchuk (talk) 18:33, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing. I'm a little confused as to why my sources aren't good enough or verifiable. I referenced VICE and Its Going Down, two reputable sources. The band also shares members with Iskra, a notable band in the underground punk scene. Storm of Sedition is also distributed by one of the most well known record labels in the underground punk scene, Profane Existence. So do I just need to add more references? As far as I can tell, they fit these guidelines:

"Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases."--Wuthepo34 (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 01:28:52, 26 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Wuthepo34
Thanks for reviewing. I'm a little confused as to why my sources aren't good enough or verifiable. I referenced VICE and Its Going Down, two reputable sources. The band also shares members with Iskra, a notable band in the underground punk scene. Storm of Sedition is also distributed by one of the most well known record labels in the underground punk scene, Profane Existence. So do I just need to add more references? As far as I can tell, they fit these guidelines:

"Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the following: Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising.[note 3] Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories. Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases."--Wuthepo34 (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Wuthepo34 (talk) 01:28, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Maurice J. Summerfield
Hello, many thanks for the help and guidance in getting the above article approved. Ron Whitenstall at Ashley Mark Publishing (talk) 11:06, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 18:08:32, 26 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Grindlechee
Thanks for the feedback - how do I proceed?

Greetings!! Thank you for taking the time to review my draft. I'm at a bit of a loss on how to proceed; let me explain :)

Other trailer music companies with published wikipedia pages also lack the kind of 3rd party, in depth references that you recommended for GRNLR. They seem to rely on announcements, youtube links, and social media pages. For example:


 * The_Hit_House_Music
 * Sencit_Music
 * X-Ray_Dog
 * Immediate_Music
 * Future_World_Music
 * LiquidCinema

GRNLR is as legitimately established in the Trailer Music industry as any of these companies, and I believe that anyone researching the topic would have a valid interest in at least seeing some kind of page on wikipedia. What is it about these other pages that passed the review stage?

Interestingly, there don't seem to be a lot of magazine, book, or newspaper articles on trailer music companies, generally. But these sort of music production entities have sufficient notability to merit an existence on wikipedia; how is this seeming paradox to be resolved?

Anyhow, thanks for your input, I appreciate it. Cheers, and all the best!

Grindlechee (talk) 18:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Grindlechee (talk) 18:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Editing Help!
Hello there! (:

I'm having a little trouble organizing my drafts. The pages that are now in play are these:
 * Draft:College of Psychiatric and Neurologic Pharmacists (2) -- Most up-to-date version.
 * Draft:College of Psychiatric and Neurologic Pharmacists Edit: on advice from Wiki-en-help, I've wiped the draft clean for deletion. Biochemistry&#38;Love (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Biochemistry&Love/College of Psychiatric and Neurologic Pharmacists -- Edit: per more advice from Wiki-en-help, I've also wiped this draft clean for deletion. Biochemistry&#38;Love (talk) 21:05, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

You mentioned on the User space article that the article "May actually be notable but we need a better focus in all additional major independent news." Could you please explain to me what you mean by that? Biochemistry&#38;Love (talk) 20:54, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

New page entitled - "European Mentoring and Coaching Council"
I have added many notability citations/references - could the page be moved from Draft status? Many thanks 185.62.85.43 (talk) 03:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

new page entitled Margaret Manion
I received your message sent 01:15, 15 April 2017 (UTC) that the article has been assessed as Start-Class with an improvement banner for the lead paragraph. I have now summarised Manion's positions and major publications in the lead. Would you please review the lead and let me know if it conforms. Thanks. Pergameno (talk) 05:55, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

new page entitled Draft:Taurob_tracker
Thank you for your suggestions! I have added several new sources. If you could take a second look it would be highly appreciated.

Lthp (talk) 08:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

09:03:11, 27 April 2017 review of submission by Timopomer
I have tried to made this article as objective/advertising free and factual as possible, could i know which lines pose an issue for the articles creation? Thank you very much Timopomer (talk) 09:03, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

14:41:39, 27 April 2017 review of submission by Messengero
Hi, review requested as a fair amount of additional data has shown up in terms of accuracy and extent of references and type of references - e.g. published articles that were not per-se publicity.Also some substantive pre-digital references.

Problem is I - Michael Messenger, was deleted for interfering and clash of interest, but in discussion with sarahj2107, who actually performed the deletion, seem to have agreed that the article can be re-written and resubmitted. Problem is A) can I do that legitimately and B) if so how, on what page and in what way as I cant cope with the edited text style, and dont want to get the wrong side of 'you lot' again? Can it be done in plain text and where will I find that? How do I resubmit it for checking? Are you able to provide a dummy's link - go to X > click on Y > edit etc...?

thanks Messengero (talk) 14:41, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

April 13 Review of Brain Chase Page
The page on Brain Chase that I made was rejected for not being notable. However, I referenced sources from New York times, Huffington Post, Fox News, and the Washington Times. These were not press releases, but articles written about the company. Any feedback on what kinds of sources would be considered 'notable' would be appreciated. Thanks! Jyanker (talk) 15:13, 26 April 2017 (UTC)jyanker

Thank you for your comment! I'm still not sure what is wrong with my sources though. They aren't press releases or announcements, and I have many independent articles from significant news sources such as The New York Times, Huffington Post, and The Washington Times that were written about Brain Chase. Just trying to understand so that I can make the article better :) Jyanker (talk) 14:56, 27 April 2017 (UTC)jyanker

17:32:53, 25 April 2017 review of submission by Renato455
Hi SwisterTwister I am trying to translate the german article about a well-known person from Switzerland, Cristian Sulser, for the English Wikipedia page. Unfortunately I don't know too much about writing articles in Wikipedia. What would be your suggestion to verify the article? What kind of references would be suitable and where would I have to put it? Thank you very much for your help. Renato

Hi Swister Twister

I have added some news links under Awards and Biography. Is this what you have in mind by adding verifiable information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renato455 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Shortcut for adding BLP info
Hallo, I've just stub-sorted several articles you've recently created such as Robert Henricks.

Do you know the L template? You can type  to create the birth category, death category or "Living people" (death date or "missing" goes in 2nd parameter) and DEFAULTSORT, all in one line of typing. I find it useful. I'd picked your stubs out to stub-sort as being ones which were currently filing wrongly in Category:Stubs. (eg Henricks under "R" for Robert). Pam D  07:11, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

12:02:28, 28 April 2017 review of submission by GeorgieLucas
Hi there, thank you for editing my piece. I would be very grateful if you could give me a little more feedback on how to better reference this piece, or make it fall within the Wikipedia guidelines. Thank you so much, Georgie GeorgieLucas (talk) 12:02, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 14:40:50, 28 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by WGH Schmitt
WGH Schmitt 				28. April 2017

Dear Swister Twister,

Regarding our article about „Carl Fried“, we will send you a renewed version soon. It’s much shorter and focuses on his notability mainly in the field of radiotherapy.We would like to point out that it is a unusual situation due to the fact that many documents have been destroyed.

Sincerely yours Wolfgang

WGH Schmitt (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 21:54:35, 28 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Realityinspector
Hi - my post was denied because it has the same title as a different page on Wikipedia. They are both waterfalls, but the Big Rock Falls I posted is in North Carolina in the US and the Big Rock Falls provided as the same content is in Belize. So same name but different places.

What do I need to do to update it to be approved?

Realityinspector (talk) 21:54, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Regarding recently accepted draft: "Trelawny:, Soldiers Hill, Ballarat
Hey! Could you confirm that the title of "Trelawny:, Soldiers Hill, Ballarat is as intended, and you didn't intend something more like Trelawny, Soldiers Hill, Ballarat or Trelawny (Soldiers Hill, Ballarat). TheDragonFire (talk) 09:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 20:06:37, 29 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Lshea96
Hi SwisterTiwster. I was wondering if you could offer some advice for what I should do regarding my article on Henrik Linder. I know that you commented saying some the articles/ resources were not reliable, but I was wondering if there is any way I can fix that. I am trying to write this page for a class, and wanted to eventually connect it to the Dirty Loops Wikipedia page. Henrik Linder is a signifigant member of the band.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Henrik_Linder

If you could let me know, I would really appreciate it! Thanks. Lshea96 (talk) 20:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Lshea96 (talk) 20:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

23:27:37, 29 April 2017 review of submission by 2602:306:CCB9:B390:FD9C:DACF:F51C:B2B9
Not necessarily requesting a re-review, but what's the "line" for whether or not someone is 'notable?' I (Minerva Koenig) have two critically-acclaimed, nationally-published novels -- I gather that alone isn't considered sufficient for notability? Minerva9 (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 05:57:33, 30 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Preciouse.gross
Hello, I have tried countless times to upload a Wikipedia page based on the criteria provided, editing, and referencing and the page will still not be published. I am now requesting assistance from someone within Wikipedia that can write the page on my behalf in order to have it published. Please let me know how to move forward with this request. Thank you. Preciouse.gross (talk) 05:57, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, After countless attempts to edit, reference and re-write the page I am trying to get published, I am now requesting a Wikipedia expert to write it on my behalf. Can someone please contact me regarding a write-up of the page. Thank you Preciouse Preciouse.gross (talk) 06:00, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Fig Tree Hall, University of New South Wales has a new comment
 I've written a reply to your previous comment, which can be viewed at Draft:Fig Tree Hall, University of New South Wales. Thanks! Salomėja Nėris (talk) 05:18, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI: Articles for deletion/Fig Tree Hall, University of New South Wales. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:47, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

K.M.Govt.College Narwana
Can you please better explain your comments at Articles for deletion/K.M.Govt.College Narwana? They're type of comments I expect to see from a new editor, not one with as much experience as you. Perhaps if you further elaborate on what you mean I'll better understand what you mean and I might even change my mind. JDDJS (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
 * If you see WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, no one has ever formed a good argument for getting schools deleted because exactly how no one would ever get universities Cornell, Harvard or Yale. There's never been a policy-basis for deleted and it's no different here. WP:N is not applicable as it never says it automatically applies to schools and exactly how no one would succeed in deleting Harvard or Yale. SwisterTwister  talk  03:31, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 00:39:17, 2 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Drolsson
Drolsson (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Hello> Just a query why this was not allowed as other politicians at the same levels of government have been permitted for example Cr Ryan Murphy, Cr Adrian Schrinner and Cr Andrew Wines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wines). Thank you for your help.Drolsson (talk) 00:39, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Review of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/KartRocket
Hi David, Wanted to check with you if following sources are good for this article to be reviewed. You have commented that there is no significant coverage about the subject. Kindly check if these can be considered as Indian news about the organization usually cover this only. Raghavhere (talk) 05:14, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Peace Revolution
was created at by the same editor. Is it any better than when you declined it? —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:19, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for notifying me, as it still seems promotional and this considering the past AfD in 2009, so it certainly will need one again and I'll plan one. Cheers,  SwisterTwister   talk  05:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

10:18:23, 2 May 2017 review of submission by Brentvans
Hello! I've added three refs to pertinent critical reviews (all three with wide circulation) to the novel, thus meeting your request for "majorly reviewed" status. Thanks!

Brentvans (talk) 10:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

If I am right...
According to this query that I have modified from a similar one (but not double checked), you should be the most active users on the Article for Deletion pages of enwiki. Well, it was a pleasure to have discovered you this way. I hope you enjoy the anectode. Bye.--Alexmar983 (talk) 11:30, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

12:41:23, 2 May 2017 review of submission by Miasiad
I have this problem: the creation of the page about SIAD was declined. In fact, it is just a translation of the page that exhists on the italian wikipedia. I am not a wikipedia expert but was told to translate the page in English as I work for the company, therefore I do not know how to move here. Reading the instructions, I understood that the page has to be created on the English wikipedia in order to have a translation. What can I do to publish the page? Thank you. Miasiad (talk) 12:41, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Draft of "European Mentoring and Coaching Council"
Hi,

My past experience of EMCC is that it does not try to get into the media. I do know that this association has no full-time staff nor budgets (e.g. to pay for PR/media coverage). However within Europe's Human Resources community, the EMCC is extremely significant and well known.

Skim reading the website references on this draft page, the following are already listed but maybe not as clearly stated as the following:

- The UK's Chartered Institute of Personnel Development ("CIPD") acknowledges the EMCC as one of the main bodies in the coaching and mentoring field (they mention in one reference: one of 4 bodies);

- Various cited Universities recognise the EMCC e.g. offer courses accredited by the EMCC, have internal coaching and mentoring trained staff (accredited by the EMCC) or follow the EMCC's code of ethics;

- Likewise for various organisations e.g. Flanders state government (Belgium) and the UK's National Health Service;

- Last but not least, the EMCC has been recognised by the European Union ("EU") has a lead body in the professionalisation of coaching and mentoring in the EU.

I do feel that this does reflect acceptable notability. Another main body in the field (e.g. jointly presented with the EMCC to the EU) is the International Coach Federation, which has its own Wikipedia page. Both bodies are very similar (ICF more US focused and EMCC more Europe focused).

I wonder, how I might help with the drafting of this page - so that you would be able to confirm it is no longer in draft form?

I am new to Wikipedia but a friend of mine is showing me how to edit pages and am happy to try this out on this particular page.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

"56sfm" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56sfm (talk • contribs) 14:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Draft of "European Mentoring and Coaching Council"
Hi,

My past experience of EMCC is that it does not try to get into the media. I do know that this association has no full-time staff nor budgets (e.g. to pay for PR/media coverage). However within Europe's Human Resources community, the EMCC is extremely significant and well known.

Skim reading the website references on this draft page, the following are already listed but maybe not as clearly stated as the following:

- The UK's Chartered Institute of Personnel Development ("CIPD") acknowledges the EMCC as one of the main bodies in the coaching and mentoring field (they mention in one reference: one of 4 bodies);

- Various cited Universities recognise the EMCC e.g. offer courses accredited by the EMCC, have internal coaching and mentoring trained staff (accredited by the EMCC) or follow the EMCC's code of ethics;

- Likewise for various organisations e.g. Flanders state government (Belgium) and the UK's National Health Service;

- Last but not least, the EMCC has been recognised by the European Union ("EU") has a lead body in the professionalisation of coaching and mentoring in the EU.

I do feel that this does reflect acceptable notability. Another main body in the field (e.g. jointly presented with the EMCC to the EU) is the International Coach Federation, which has its own Wikipedia page. Both bodies are very similar (ICF more US focused and EMCC more Europe focused).

I wonder, how I might help with the drafting of this page - so that you would be able to confirm it is no longer in draft form?

I am new to Wikipedia but a friend of mine is showing me how to edit pages and am happy to try this out on this particular page.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards

"56sfm" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56sfm (talk • contribs) 14:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Shri Jai Narain Post Graduate College
this article is copy pasted so i nominated for deletion... review it again ... i provided link on talk page... if possible talk with editor to write in his own lang.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by India1277 (talk • contribs) 07:14, 3 May 2017 (UTC) India1277 (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 10:40:22, 3 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Cassandrajohnsonpr
Hi! Thank you for reviewing my page. Can you specifically state why this article should be deleted? I saw that the article may not have been significant but that can kind of seem like an opinion of sorts. Why do you think this article isn't significant?

I appreciate your insight.

Cassandrajohnsonpr (talk) 10:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 10:42:57, 3 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Cassandrajohnsonpr
Hi! Thank you for reviewing my page. Can you specifically state why this article should be deleted? I saw that the article may not have been significant but that can kind of seem like an opinion of sorts. Why do you think this article isn't significant?

I appreciate your insight.cassandrajohnsonprCassandrajohnsonpr (talk) 10:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Cassandrajohnsonpr (talk) 10:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

16:58:53, 3 May 2017 review of submission by Cassandrajohnsonpr
I would like to understand why you think the page isn't notable? $K is a respected music producer who has a notable amount of work, check out the discography table on the page. Cassandrajohnsonpr (talk) 16:58, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

 * please help translate this message into your local language via meta

Thanks again :-) --  Doc James  along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Regards to the resubmission with the articles Keep Victoria Beautiful
Dear SwisterTwister,

Last time, you have left a reivew to improve my article at [] as "We would need a better focus in adding all additional major independent news, and not simply announcements or notices." After a week, I tried my best to find more references about Keep Victoria Beautiful on more sources of information. Please kindly note that Keep Victoria Beautiful is a non-profit-organisation that worked closely with the Australian government and city councils, most of existing references are from trusted government websites with .gov.au domain.

Also there was an article of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Australia_Beautiful that was online long time ago. I have tried my best to make my new articles improved in quality with infromation from trusted government websites.

I would like to give you a ping. Hoping that you are online before I resubmit the article in a few hours. I really appriciate your help to make the Wikipedia stable. I am more than happy if the article would be approved so that Keep Victoria Beautiful could contribute more for the Victorian environment and people. Cenakhoa (talk) 01:08, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Regards, Khoa

Request on 06:20:07, 4 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by 103.211.54.93
hi why has the Pragun akhil jindal article been rejected. the author triggered deomnitsation with his book in the country and what does inform author mean ?

103.211.54.93 (talk) 06:20, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

New Page Draft Declined Draft:Good World Solutions, 4 May 2017
Thank you for reviewing my submission on Draft:Good World Solutions. Can you please help me understand why you have rejected it as an advertisement when I have used news sources from the Huffington Post, the Harvard Business Review, DU Press, ProPublica, Gesi and others. I know some of the information I received from the company itself but I verified with outside sources. I have also added some more outside sources which talk both directly about Good World Solutions and also about the problem which they are addressing. I did this for a college project and it is not an advertisement for a business but a factual page on what they do and how the operate. Please help me remedy this problem. Thank you for your time. Econ-5470 Spring 2017 Group 6 (talk) 16:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Recieving Message
Hello, I received the below message from you and was wondering if you could clarify a few things for me?

User talk:DRainwater From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising.

I am a current employee of Precor and we have been trying to establish an active Wikipedia page with our business information but every time we have tried our draft gets deleted or account is blocked. The reasonings that we are provided with are:

1. Using Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising. 2. Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Is there a specific line or word that is triggering this? Any information/feedback you could provide would be great.

Thank you!

Danielle (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC) Danielle

Thank you for your response. Would you be able to verify which part of our content was considered "promotionalism?" we would like to know for future knowledge.

Thank you, Danielle (talk) 03:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC) DRainwater


 * As I happen to be here, perhaps I can help. Your draft contained multiple sentences like " Precor sets the standard for quality, innovation, and performance in exercise equipment. " "and they have been supporting the natural movement of the human body ever since."  . This is pure puffery, not appropriate outside  advertising. The article contains numerous claims of "first" without any documentation--there has to be a specific third party published reference for every claim, not just a general link to you own web site--with a "history of innovation" page that also contains puffery.  The draft use trademark symbols--the encyclopedia does not.


 * From experience over many years, it is extremely difficult for an employee of the company to write a page about the company. The company is indeed well known, and probably there are good 3rd party sources that are usable for an article. I suggest you list it at Requested articles. It's likely that someone interested in the subject will write a proper article.  DGG ( talk ) 17:51, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 06:30:46, 3 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Suniltx
Hi SwisterTwister, I came across few company/organization articles on Wikipedia, where they have added their own organization links as reliable sources and confirmed notability, So I thought my article will also be accepted with the kind of links I have listed for reference. I have made few changes to my article. Suniltx (talk) 06:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * the article was resubmitted; I declined it as a different reviewer, but for the same reasons--see user talk for the reasons.  DGG ( talk ) 18:00, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Old Draft
So I am looking at this 13yo draft: Draft:Valerie Sutton The bots never pick it up for deletion since it gets an edit here or there. The author has not been on for a year now. My thought is that she seems notable enough to just move the page over to mainspace or do a AFC request myself and let a few others take a look. Thoughts? Gtstricky Talk or C 20:09, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Resubmission
Re: Draft:Stephen Maitland-Lewis, can you please clarify your comment regarding announcements/notices? Are you referencing the "Louie Award" references by Broadway World and Queens Tribune? Can you please explain why they are not acceptable? Thank you for any information you may have in guiding me to getting the article approved. Pokerdealer123 (talk) 03:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)Pokerdealer123

Second opinion on Draft:Hannah Grace
Hi, it's me again. I was wondering your opinion on Draft:Hannah Grace? I think that having references from the BBC and (lesser so) the daily star definitely make it interesting and, barring a copyvio check (which I can't do easily on mobile but will when I am at my PC) returning that it is in violation/plagiarized, I would be tempted to accept it personally. It has some grammar issues/typos but are quite minor and I would be tempted to just fix myself and would not consider a deal breaker acceptance wise. What are your thoughts on it?

Thanks as always for your time --TheSandDoctor (talk) 00:52, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see the sources but additional ones would certainly help too. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  02:04, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * So would you decline it for the time being saying to add more reliable references etc or? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:15, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Currently declining to allow additional sources would be good. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  03:48, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your time! Is your opinion the same for the one below? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion on Draft:Subterfuge (game)
What do you think of Draft:Subterfuge (game)? I am thinking that it is possibly acceptable and the having Polygon (and to a lesser extent, Gamasutra) as a references does seem to indicate at least some notability to the game. Would like to see more on the level of Polygon as well though. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In this case it's not enough major news coverage. Cheers,   SwisterTwister   talk  05:36, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response! Hope you dont mind my asking you these sorts of questions when I come across them and am unsure. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion on Draft:Rosenbaum Contemporary
What is your opinion on Draft:Rosenbaum Contemporary? I am thinking it possibly notable but am unsure as to if Art of the Times is a reputable source or which sources might be. Your thoughts are welcome. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 22:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I wasn't sure about that one, but I think because of the article weight, there's enough to accept but, first additional significant sources would especially help. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  22:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I left an AFC comment on it and marked it as no longer under review. I might work on it myself as the editor appears inactive. It depends what I can dig up (although I can't do it tonight as it is getting pretty late here). --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:49, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Adam Armstrong
On my talk page the editor who created the draft has brought it to my attention that the essay-like wording has been addressed and I said that I would get a second reviewer to take a look at it and get their opinion on it. I was wondering what you think of Draft:Adam Armstrong? I also said in my response that more/additional noteworthy citations tend to be a good way to go. The draft is interesting and does appear to have some good references behind it, although only one is digital. Copyvio isn't loading the page for me so I am not sure on its results at this time. Discussion on my talk page: User_talk:TheSandDoctor --TheSandDoctor (talk) 05:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I agree, so it's currently unacceptable. SwisterTwister   talk  06:05, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input. What is your exact reasoning though (so I can better explain to the IP user who brought this up and for my own curiousity)? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 06:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No claims of notability and no signs of a formatted encyclopedia article. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  06:11, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks once again for the input! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 06:15, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Ty J. Young
Hi again, I was wondering if I could get your input on Draft:Ty J. Young? I think that it would benefit from all additional sourcing however am 'on the fence' as to if it should be accepted or declined. What is your take on it? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 17:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input - based on your recommendation I declined the page as an ad with a comment to refer to the below AFC comments/messages. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 20:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Darez Ahamed
Hi again, I was just wondering if I could get your input on Draft:Darez Ahamed? They left a message on my talk page asking why it is not notable pointing to other articles that exist on Wikipedia of similar stature. Thanks again for your time! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 14:56, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Sheeba Ameer
What do you think of Draft:Sheeba Ameer? The user who created it has posted on my talk page asking for another opinion on the draft and any pointers to improve it in the event that it is not ready. Some of the citations/references do appear interesting but I am not sure if they are enough. Apparently for the books section they were unable to find any references either (see this section). What are your thoughts on it? --TheSandDoctor (talk) 06:32, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's unlikely from that page she's notable, because the sources are simply not significant. SwisterTwister   talk  22:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your input on the draft. I have linked the creator to this thread as well so they can ask anything that they may be wondering in connection to this should they choose. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 22:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Gargoyle (band)
Hi there, I was wondering what you thought of Draft:Gargoyle (band)? It is translated by the draft creator from the Japanese Wikipedia. I am thinking that it is potentially good enough to accept however more independent/notable/reliable sources are typically always a good thing to add. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 03:56, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, it would need additional significant news since some of the sources are simply listed discographies or notices. Cheers, SwisterTwister   talk  03:58, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * That was a quick response! Thanks as always for your help! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:08, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Second opinion request on Draft:Guenter Mokulys
Hi again, I was wondering what your thoughts are on Draft:Guenter Mokulys? Thanks! --TheSandDoctor (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello again and, yes, I remember this one; the sources are simply not significant enough. Cheers,  SwisterTwister   talk  05:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Page of Madhubanti Bagchi
Hi SwisterTwister can you review the page of Indian vocalist Madhubanti Bagchi you rejected earlier. Can you point out the issues with the article? Thank you! Taurus 27 (talk) 15:11, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

18:42:50, 8 May 2017 review of submission by Alexhanno04
Hi there, I'm not requesting a re-review of this article, I would just like to know how I can improved the draft I've submitted to ensure it's approved next time. The reason for it being declined was a lack of sufficient and/or strong enough sources. I can certainly include other sources, I guess my only question is what requires a source and what doesn't. Furthermore, what qualifies as a legitimate source as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Thank you for your helpAlexhanno04 (talk) 18:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

01:55:43, 9 May 2017 review of submission by Kate.laolu.nyc
The person I created a page on is a notable person. His art is in several major museums, he has had a TED talk (not TED X), he was on Beyonce's Lemonade and is mentioned in her wikipedia page about it, has worked with over 7 international brands, he's had several articles about himself and his art in every major news source (some of them several times). When you google his first name he's the person who comes up for the first 4 pages. He's the most influential African artist currently alive at this moment. This is not a matter of opinion. This is why Yale, Harvard, Google, Facebook, Spotify, and Instagram have all had him come and speak to their employees. So I am asking for a you to reconsider your reasoning that this person is not notable. Thank you. Kate.laolu.nyc (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

01:20:38, 2 May 2017 review of submission by DavidConrad
I'm not sure I understand the review reason. Doesn't the fact that it's already on Wikipedia mean that notability has already been established per WP:NOTE (de:WP:Relevanzkriterien)?

Also, you say, "Would need all additional news," but I included news references from the BBC, the Miami Herald, The Independent, and Hurriyet Daily News (a major Turkish source). There are others, like the Telegraph, the Daily Mail, and MSN, which I could add, but they mostly duplicate what's already there. The Telegraph, in particular, doesn't seem to have done separate reporting, stating "the BBC reports" in the body of their article, I don't consider the Daily Mail to be a very reputable source, and the MSN article is a straight write-through of the Independent's article. I could add sites like BoredPanda but I don't think that would contribute to the noteworthiness or gravitas of the article.

I've added another reference, NYMag.com. Please let me know what else you mean by "all additional news." I would note my article is already more complete than Tombili since the German WP article doesn't cover the theft and subsequent return of the statue. -- DavidConrad (talk) 01:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Do you plan on answering these questions? -- DavidConrad (talk) 03:00, 9 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Weighing this, it would simply not be enough for a convincing notable article, wherever it was published. SwisterTwister   talk  03:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

16:36:35, 10 May 2017 review of submission by Karma Yoga
Hello Swister Twister,

I'm not ready for the article to be reviewed again, but I do have a question. In looking at what is notable about this Buddhist group, the one important thing is how many of their teachings are published in books and audio sets. Is it acceptable to put a list of publications in the article?

Thank you, Karma Yoga
 * Yes, but this alone won't establish a convincing article in notability. SwisterTwister   talk  17:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Daniel Keys
has been deleted for the second time since it's AfC was accepted. Was it really accepted w/o relaible sources? I have deleted partly due to lack of sources. There was an AFD which raised serious questions.Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Off-wiki harassment campaign possible
SwisterTwister, I'm messaging you because you're (or were) aware of some of the problems brought up at Sockpuppet investigations/Shawwal/Archive. Basically, members of a certain religious cult constantly create sock/meatpuppets to push their POV in an organized fashion (see here too). Well, recently I noticed this and then this, followed by a coverup here. Now, I'm not asking you to get involved because I know you're busy. What I am asking for, though, is an opinion, and please know that there's no pressure to answer. My question is: where should I take this? Organized campaigns of POV-pushing by this same cult has been going on for years, and numerous sock/meat accounts have been blocked along the way. In your experience, would you view AN as an appropriate avenue to bring this to the attention of admins? Or is there a more fitting avenue for this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:46, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Although possible connections aside, there's simply not enough weight to put a serious case in here, especially given that not only has Samsparky been cleared as being a Shawwal sock, but even what's above is simply not blatant enough for an IP block or CU there since it's simply an apparent email suggestion and an apparent response to it. However, if there's worse later especially something violating policy, then that may be different. SwisterTwister   talk  03:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being honest. I suppose that I'll just keep the above in mind in case it's needed, but silently hope that it isn't. All the best! MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!
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Thank you for your help with the Article The Republic of East Florida
I just wanted to personally write "Thank You" to you. EastFloridaHistorian (talk) 15:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Re-submission of article
Hello @SwisterTwister,

I appreciate your inputs on my proposed article, Draft:Shiv_Darshan on April 05, 2017. In line with your expectation and recommendation, I have provided additional references for article re-submission. Although I respect your viewpoint, I wish to share my observations. Shiv Darshan has three films to his credit already. You may like to check to verify. There are several actors who have made debut in a single film, yet they have a peer-reviewed Wikipedia page; I believe it's fair to give Shiv Darshan due consideration. Thanks a ton for reading; and hoping to receive your best support! Cheers. Amishah78 (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

User:Engr33armalik
I hate to come across as heavy handed and bitey, but that seemed egregiously WP:Nothere to me.Dlohcierekim (talk) 06:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Please slow down and check your work
Hi. I notice you've created many new stubs recently. Unfortunately, the reason I noticed this is because I've been fixing CS1 errors. Ramon Casadesus-Masanell, Paulo Lozano, Fan Ren, Hope Weiler, Kirk Schanze, Louis Burgio, and Karla Gower all have errors of one kind or another, from empty citations to non-existent categories to wikilinks which are red because the article name differs slightly. The first four I found in Category:Pages_with_empty_citations; the other three I found when I looked at 15 of the pages you created today.

You've been here long enough to know how things work. Maybe you plan to go back to each of those and fix them. Right now they're sitting in mainspace, being stubs, with errors. Please review your drafts and fix them before you move them, and take another look at the ones you've already created. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 22:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Fixed. SwisterTwister   talk  05:24, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you & a request for help
Hi @SwisterTwister /David

Thanks for your input on my article Draft:South Australian State Emergency Service. I'm trying to follow your advice to the best of my ability & have since had another go at citing & adding content. Do you think you could review it again for me? I would really like some more detailed feedback on how I can improve it. Any additional help you could give me with incorporating references would also be super helpful.

Thanks again for your time KaiRAWR (talk) 05:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Looking in, it would still highly benefit from all additional significant sourcing. SwisterTwister   talk  05:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was prompt. Thanks! Do you think it would be possible for me to change the article type to a Government Agency/Organisation Stub? Sourcing is somewhat difficult to find right now. KaiRAWR (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Well what would specifically help is that extra sourcing so, in any case, it may simply be too soon. SwisterTwister   talk  07:15, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Chidera Okolie for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Chidera Okolie is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Chidera Okolie (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. —  Jeff G. ツ (talk)   07:16, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
hi, too many words, not enough kittens.

Coolabahapple (talk) 08:13, 15 May 2017 (UTC) 

Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "Mass creation of improperly referenced BLPs by User:SwisterTwister". Thank you. Huon (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of A. O. Zoss


The article A. O. Zoss has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Adam9007 (talk) 01:02, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

17:42:21, 17 January 2017 review of submission by Travish212
Thank you for your review of my draft. I have been through way too many drafts, re-writes, and deletions for this page. It has been shortened, condensed, and as many sources as are available have been cited. I have read all of the articles that have been linked. There are no other sources available on the internet, as it is a small company. There are no opinions reflected in the draft, only basic facts. I don't see how this can be changed any more. This latest draft is even a re-write from one of your moderators. Please advise.

, helping out here, the references for the article are mostly press releases. thisi s not adequate to show notability. You need multiple references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. the only r=ractical thing to do is to wait until the firm is important enough that other people have written about it in that way.  DGG ( talk ) 06:37, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Submission request
Hello! I noticed you denied a page submission for the voice actress "Morgan Berry" awhile back. Would you mind looking it over? I believe this actress has proven herself to be of notability based on her online presence and official cast announcements from notable companies over the past few years. She has also proven to be of high demand in the convention scene. In addition, Morgan has noteworthy roles in many popular anime, video game and movie titles associated with notable companies such as Funimation, Hi-Rez Studios, ScrewAttack and GalaxyTrail     I believe this should also be taken into consideration. She is in big enough titles to be of notability, despite her only being in the industry since 2015. Thank you for your time and I look forward to discussing this further. 47.185.93.163 (talk) 02:28, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Weighing all together, it's simply not convincing enough. SwisterTwister   talk  02:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 15:19:23, 18 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by G Kopfer
G Kopfer (talk) 15:19, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, you reviewed the Article zu Thomas Lambrecht. I don't understand why, because it's a translation of the German Wikipedia by Lambrecht himself. Is it because of missing Informationen about his research or publications? What would be helpful to not be rejected? Explain it to me please, because I don't know the specifics of the english Wiki and for the german one it's all fine.

Thanks, G.Kopfer
 * Our standards have long been considered different than GermanWiki's but I will say he's in fact notable; please continue by adding all additional significant sourcing. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:30, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

05:35:33, 22 May 2017 review of submission by Carlopenco
At first I did not give evidence of the notability of the subject. I have now put some basic references, of Eva Picardi's roles in important Institutions and Societies, and of her being quoted or discussed by the most relevant philosophical authors of the XXI century (Davidson, Kripke and Dummett). I think this very short presentation is now more verified than the first version and gives a little more justice to one of the most notable contemporary Italian philosophers. I don't know whether it would be fundamental to put links to all the relevant institutions she was connected with, but, given the brevity of the presentation, I preferred not to do so. But I might if you think it needed. I would be very pleased if you could check the entry again. Besides, I find it incongruous that there is an entry for myself (made probably by a student of mine) and not an entry for her, who is much more well known in the international philosophical environment than myself! Thanks a lot, Carlo Penco


 * Helping out here: for academics in the humanities who have published books, we do not list articles. Being merely cited by a notable person does not make someone notable. You can not claim things like "central role" without a specific reference that says this . She may be notable, under WP:PROF or WP:AUTHOR, but to show either you will need references to published reviews of her books in major journals. "she leaves a relevant number of scholars who studied with her" is not English. If you mean specifically notable people who have received their doctorate under her direction, say so. Revise and resubmit.   DGG ( talk ) 01:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 07:59:52, 23 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by G Kopfer
G Kopfer (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I added refrences to the Draft of Thomas Lambrecht clinical and scientific activities. Is this enough or do the clinical and scientific has to be explained with more details? - G. Kopfer

Help
Hello, ! Thank you for helping me the last time, where you wrote to me that you will make English a little clearer for readers. Thank you very much, I'm still studying English. I ask you to check again my article Cally-Jo, because I added new information about this person. Please correct me if I have specified the word incorrectly. Please write me what I need to fix. Tell me if I have correctly noted sources and quotes. Thank you, --Nedika (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2017 (UTC) But on the page Cally-Jo inserted template «This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (May 2017)» What I need to do? --Nedika (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see no concerns in the current article. You're welcome to make any necessary changes as you like. SwisterTwister   talk  19:19, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I see now; what would largely help is adding all other major independent news, not simply announcements and notices. SwisterTwister   talk  19:31, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

19:59:41, 24 May 2017 review of submission by RL26
Hi SwisteTwister, thank you for your feedback. I am new to creating Wikipedia pages. Do you have any feedback into how to show notability? When referencing, is it unacceptable to use company websites as a reference? Thank you for your guidance! RL26 (talk) 19:59, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The current information focuses in a "client-targeted manner" and the sources are based by announcements, notices, etc. and it's not the major independent news we need. SwisterTwister   talk  20:04, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Adding stub templates to the articles you create
Again, I'll ask (since you removed this request when I wrote a rather polite, identical request about a week ago without explaination), add an appropriate stub template to any article that you create (or heck, even stub will do). You didn't do this at Louis Burgio, which was written after I requested you do this the first time. I expect better from an editor as experienced as yourself, in both receiving criticism (or, at least, responding to criticism, full stop) and in stub templating their own article. I'm surprised that you seem to be struggling with this. -- I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  00:32, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * hi, i note that is not a member of the project WP:STUBSORT that you refer to, and is not (nor is any editor, as far as i am aware), under any obligation to add any sort of stub template/tag to any article, let alone ones that they have created, indeed i don't recall doing such to any articles i have created, nor btw rated them on their respective talkpage relying on other editors to do so (although with the number of unassessed articles of mine at WikiProject Children's literature, helloooo kid lit project participants....  Coolabahapple (talk) 07:49, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * To give some context, ST was/is adding stubs 19 times a minute. I don't believe you're doing the same. At the very least he could add a stub template. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  09:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * hi, conceded, thats quite a lot, although i reckon that its great that is such an enthusiastic editor they do seem to get carried away at times.Coolabahapple (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I suppose getting carried away is one way to put it. I dream of horses If you reply here, please ping me by adding to your message (talk to me) (My edits) @  02:09, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I raised this matter of stub tagging with on 6 May, as one of several problems with these articles.

Unfortunately, ST responded to only one of the points, and ignored the others, including stub tagging..

ST then deleted the entire discussion from this page, falsely claiming that all questions had been answered. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:29, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

AfC Review
Would you mind reviewing Draft:TigerSwan - I accidentally published it through AfC, I probably should have just published directly into the main space but now that it's in AfC, I don't want to approve my own article Seraphim System  ( talk) 06:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the sources offered are simply not significant enough in major independent news (not simply announcements, notices or profiles) to establish notability. Also remember that like with others, notability cannot be inherited from the publication names alone. SwisterTwister   talk  06:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is just WP:GNG since TigerSwan is a PMC - we don't have any specific guidelines for PMCs (maybe we should, since we we likely see more of them). We have traditional military units, and soldiers - but we don't have anything for whether a company that was responsible for major security operations in Iraq/Afghanistan and at the Sochi Olympics would be notable, who has been involved in significant contracts litigation (and won - the case I cited to law review in the article is quite important.) Needless to say, my position is that they certainly are. They are inherently notable, and I would say the sources are quite sufficient given the nature of the organization and it's involvement in a major war. Seraphim System  ( talk) 07:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Also insofar as you are characterizing offering private security at the Olympics, major federal litigation that has been covered in Law Review, providing security for DAPL, providing security for State Department funded NGOs in active war zones, and Dalton Fury's published comment that their notable employees can demonstrate "how to shoot a gnat off a bull's ass at fifty yards" as "routine announcements" - I think that is debatable. I don't think you can say with certainty that this would not survive AfD, or that we may need to fill the gaps in our organization-specific notability policies for PMCs. As a PMC, they are obviously very notable and elite. Seraphim System  ( talk) 07:25, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

New professor/scientist articles
Hey there! While I was doing some maintenance work, I came across the article for Anna Balazs that you created. To that extent, I see you've created a lot of articles in the early portion of this month about a number of scientists and professors. As I look through them though, a lot of them are still just one sentence (and a lot of times, you were the only one to contribute to that sentence). Obviously I don't know these people (or you) and I'm not very involved with the whole Biographies of Living People aspect of Wikipedia, but I wanted to ask if you had a plan for these articles? Are these people all notable in some way? Are you going to continue working on all of these articles? It seems like it'd be a giant workload to bring all these articles out of stub status, and I do wonder if some of them even meet the notability criteria. I'm not trying to attack you or say what you're doing is wrong, I'm just curious to know what your thoughts are. JaykeBird (talk) 08:18, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, yes, there are plans to enlarge these such as adding their publications and similar to enhance this. Starting at least a basic page was simply an initial step. SwisterTwister   talk  17:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. I just stumbled across your new articles and I was just like "whoa"! Lol. This is a huge amount of articles, though... I hope you don't put yourself in over your head with this! Also, it doesn't seem like you've been interacting with the AN discussion mentioned below. I'm not one to tell you to act one way or another, or anything like that, but I feel the people over there may appreciate at least something from you about this. JaykeBird (talk) 01:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Compare WP:AN. Arguably most of them will likely be notable according to WP:NACADEMIC, but finding the independent sources NACADEMIC requires will likely be a challenge. Huon (talk) 10:05, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I didn't think I was the only one to stumble across this, but I didn't notice the section you made here alerting to the AN discussion, so that was why I went and asked. I'll probably look over what everyone else has been saying over there, and think about if I want to become involved with this or not. Thanks! JaykeBird (talk) 01:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Procedural closures of AfDs
Just to let you know that I've started a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard about the large number of Pakistani school AfD nominations, which you recently closed. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As mentioned there, perhaps you've taken note of the current ANI about that nominator's mass 75 AfDs which is in fact unacceptable. Next, there was clear consensus to close as such at both there and the fact WP:Articles for deletion itself was not followed. Because everyone is actually aware of this at the current ANI. The nominations all the same basis which were in fact not a cause for deletion. Also shown there, the nominator is aware what happened and there wouldn't be any "flak" from them.  SwisterTwister   talk  16:39, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have now, but I hadn't seen the AN/I thread when I posted the above. It might have been a good idea to link to the AN/I discussion in your closing rationale, I think. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Stalking
Please do not stalk my contributions Atlantic306 (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Copyvio content at Charles Barlowe
I noticed you added some content from this page. Please do remember that you need to summarize content from sources, not copy/paste it and change a few words. Can I help you understand what the difference is? Waggie (talk) 06:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Request on 07:44:55, 30 May 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Chrisnadeau1973
I saw where my article I've been working on was flagged again for some reason I have no idea why. I have done everything asked form winkipieda I even sat in the chat rooms for hours and was shocked as helpful the lady was that was helping me. I'm beyond greatfuk for everyone to keep Helping me, I sincerely am, I just don't understand the reason for the last one to be flagged. When I added new links. news articles as links. Not blog post Or press releases but actual news links. Thanks again for all of your support!

Chrisnadeau1973 (talk) 07:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC) Chrisnadeau1973 (talk) 07:44, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

05:10:36, 16 January 2017 review of submission by Abic1991
I have included news articles from cyclingnews.com and cyclingtips.com, both of which are major sports news outlets. Are these sufficiently important outlets? If so, I can include more references from different articles on these sites

07:50:59, 1 May 2017 review of submission by Dwmcduff
I realise that more references are required in this article, but as a near-beginner in Wikipedia editing I am not yet confident that the references I am currently providing are appropriate in terms of Wikipedia's style.

Regarding notability: the subject of the article, the Icelandic author Ólafur Gunnarsson, is an established and internationally known novelist whose work has been translated into several languages. There are already Wikipedia articles about him in Icelandic and German, but so far there is not an article about him written in English. I have added a section in paragraph 4 with links to reference works and other source material where Gunnarsson's work is cited. Please indicate if this is the kind of improvement that is required - if it is, then I can add some more references, but obviously do not want to do this if I am somehow going astray from the editorial line.

20:21:10, 1 May 2017 review of submission by Jonathan A. Coles
I wish to defend the need for an entry on 'Animal Reflectors'.

Who needs an entry 'animal reflectors':

1. Opticists making broad-band reflecting photonic crystals. Physicists are commendably interested in biological analogs of what they make. But they tend to study tissues that don't decay rapidly (beetle elytra, for example) and have rather missed out on animals like silvery fish and on cats' eyes, which do not keep well on the bench top.

2. Anybody wondering why and how fish have silvery sides.

3. Anybody wanting a better explanation of how eyeshine works in the eyeshine/tapetum lucidum entry.

Need for a new entry. I don't see how this information could be put conveniently in other entries. Animal reflectors all work on basically the same principle, whether they are fish scales, the fundus of the scallop eye, or tapeta lucida, and the mathematics was developed for the first two of these, and for some kinds of tapetum lucidum (in lower primates). The entry for fish scales is almost entirely zoological classification. The entry for tapetum lucidum hardly attempts to explain the optics (perhaps rightly, as there appears to be no full analysis of the optics of the cat tapetum). But the cat tapetum is of considerable interest to physicists constructing photonic crystals. There is also 'dielectric reflector', which relates to animal reflectors by the optical principles, but not by the materials. It would be silly to put animal reflectors in all these entries.

What would make sense is to have cross-references, so one can go: eyeshine > tapetum > animal reflectors. Or photonic crystal > animal reflectors > tapetum. Or dielectric reflector > animal reflectors> animal coloration. Or fish scales > animal reflectors. Or animal reflectors > fish scales.

Style Half the point of Wikipedia is that users improve entries. But they can only improve an entry if the entry exists.

I am impressed by the speed of the editors' replies.

Regards Jonathan Coles

07:41:55, 2 May 2017 review of submission by UrbindraK
Hello

This is not a re-review appeal. My writing on Swarnali Kanjilal was declined due to some valid reasons but she is a very popular lady in the city of Kolkata and all over West Bengal. I have found out some YouTube links from the respective authorized media channels. Will those links be acceptable as references? If you want I can show you some examples of those links.

Please look into the matter and any suggestion from you will be immensely helpful.

18:44:31, 2 May 2017 review of submission by Hoglundandy
Hi, how many sources do I need? I've included references to profile they've received in the New York Times, in addition to local outlets and musical trades. I've also hyperlinked to other relevant Wiki articles.

About the page Paul-Gilbert Langevin (verification of the informations)
Hello, the page about my father Paul-Gilbert Langevin has been added to the articles named something like "possible conflict of interest" because I wrote a page about somebody belonging to my relatives. Can the english wikipedia users verify it, check the informations, correct and clean the page, correct the sentences (my english is not very good), etc? In order to verify the informations, I advise you to check the links and the books about it. I hope that the page can be in order soon and the headbands suppressed when everything is okay. Kind regards, Paul-Eric.

Glosten Inc. draft updated
Hello, I have added any additional relevant news I could find for Glosten, Inc. Topics include the appointment of a new president, research and development in the areas of offshore wind and ballast water treatment, participation on a winning X prize team, and ferry design work. I hope this will be sufficient, but please do let me know if there are additional gaps to fill. A reminder, in the interest of full disclosure - I am a Glosten employee.

11:32:44, 3 May 2017 review of submission by MKantorStitch
Hi! I saw that my article on Stephen Janis was rejected because my sources lacked notability. I want to try to improve on that front before I try again, and I was hoping you could tell me which sources you think are my weak links. Any other advice you have would be much appreciated as well. Thank you so much!

11:13:49, 4 May 2017 review of submission by 103.211.55.230
Dear Reviewer The author has done some incredible work in the sphere of black money. The book on blackmoney is a first on its kind and led to major outbreak in the black money scenario I request you to approve the article.

14:08:22, 4 May 2017 review of submission by 173.14.168.121
Okay, thank you! I added sources from the likes of NYTimes, LA Times, AP, etc. Let me know if that suffices.

02:33:13, 9 May 2017 review of submission by Xrisj
Greetings. The subject of the page was a pretty significant guitarist in the bay area, and for a short time in LA. Recommended by Janis Leibhart for an audition with Bob Seger's band (audition granted) Johnson was an well know to other celebrity guitarists like Danny Chauncey (38 special) and Brad Gillis (Night Ranger). Although certainly less famous, he's sure worth of a simple mention on Wikipedia for his amazing chops and voice. What do you require to validate this page please?

20:18:18, 10 May 2017 review of submission by Automotiveguy
I tried adding the information as requested to the "Vehicle Registration Plate" page. However, it has been taken down twice now with no explanation as to why. How do we add it and make it stick.

18:38:54, 17 May 2017 review of submission by Daggersight
I've added several additional verifiable reference links.

00:19:36, 18 May 2017 review of submission by Wofsylil
1) The reviewer said the submission needs "all additional major independent news including reviews." Right now it references 5 reviews. There are many more. Should they all be included? 2) What does the reviewer mean by "notability cannot be inherited"? Does it refer to Goldberg's association with William Burroughs? If so, isn't this a key part of Goldberg's biography? 3) Besides the content presented here, Goldberg has a number of other accomplishments, unrelated to his role as a writer about drugs and the brain. These include his experiences as a poet, independent publisher, and cultural affairs journalist. Some of that work has been documented in books and articles. Should the submission be expanded to include it?

Request on 17:51:37, 1 June 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Merfeldkristie
Why was my page deleted?? I did used The Dry Bar as reference and did everything correctly for A Perfect 10 Nail and Beauty Bar. Please explain why this was deleted.

Merfeldkristie (talk) 17:51, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please take note of WP:What Wikipedia is not as the page was simply too promotional and therefore can be deleted in that basis. Tou can restart a page but it genuinely helps to show what you'll use differently. SwisterTwister   talk  17:55, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Rose Marcario
Hey there! I've been editing the draft page for Patagonia CEO Rose Marcario, along with a few other people. Since you last reviewed it, we've added quite a few more citations from news websites as well as information about her education, political involvement, and work to make the company more profitable. Could you take a look and let me know if this satisfies what you were looking for? If not, what else can I do to make this page viable?

Thank you! --Klc17 (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Would it help to cite more national news stories that quote Marcario as an expert on the outdoor industry? We find her notable because of :the work she has done to catapult the outdoor industry into the national spotlight, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to show that in this :page. Thank you! --Klc17 (talk) 02:10, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Added quite a bit more! Would so appreciate it if you could take another look before I try to resubmit. Tried to show how a chain of events ::started by Marcario has caused massive exposure of outdoor industry and Bears Ears National Monument/public lands issues. Thank you! --Klc17 (talk) 03:18, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * All additional what? Thank you so much for your help! It's good to know I'm heading in the right direction.--Klc17 (talk) 03:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Do you have suggestions for types of news sources I can add? I have NY Times, Washington Post, Denver Post, Fast Company, The Hill, ::::SNEWS, Business Insider, and others. Do I need to cite more articles within existing text? --Klc17 (talk) 03:26, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I have all of those sources already, and most of them are lengthy news articles. Is there a standard for how many I need before the page will be approved? --Klc17 (talk) 03:37, 2 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Added more information and citations last night and today and just resubmitted. Thank you so much for working with me on this! --Klc17 (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Joseph Bankman


The article Joseph Bankman has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Fails GNG, WP:PROF

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Sam Mangubat
Sam Mangubat is a local internet celebrity who rose to fame in the Philippines by joining a local siging competition. His fate is just like America's Christina Grimmie and Sam Tsui who both have wiki bio. Do not be racist. If wiki is for Americans only please add disclaimer. Do your research well before declining the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkmaster12 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

From SurveyorMJF
Friday, 17/3/2017. Today you wrote on my Talk page that you had removed the template from the top of my new mainpage article William Nevin Tatlow Hurst. But I can still see the template. Sorry, but I don't understand the situation. Do I need to do something else? Thanks - I know you're busy. SurveyorMJF (talk) 05:47, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Kristina Pimenova
Thank you for reviewing my article on Russian child model Kristina Pimenova! Unfortunately, you rejected my submission because you said I did not adequately prove notability. I disagree for several reasons. She is a prominent model and actress who has starred in a full length feature film with a famous costar. She has also posed for many high profile fashion companies. She has 4 million Facebook followers and 1.8 million Instagram followers. Many people believe she is a supermodel, and likely to become even more famous soon. I addressed these points in the article, and included several reputable sources to verify this information. Also, she is already the subject of many other Wikipedia articles in other languages, including Russian and Spanish. I was surprised to find that she has not been the subject of an English language article as well. My article included a similar amount of detail as the Spanish article. I am happy to expand my article further if you believe it will be accepted in the future. Thank you! Sincerely, Christopher Moore (Ctmuva2000) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ctmuva2000 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Dylan Collins
The article for Dylan Collins isn't an advertisement at all. Why are you redirecting without a proper discussion? That seems very inappropriate. Please restore and propose redirect if you feel thisway. A unilateral decision is inappropriate Misterpottery (talk) 17:51, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

BSD Records
You previously edited BSD Records. I wanted to inform you I have just nominated it for deletion. Chetsford (talk) 08:09, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Definitive Technology
Hi - your name is familiar for having reviewed some of my articles in the past. I recreated the Definitive Technology article. The bot flagged the talk page and included a link to a prior discussion where you voted to delete it, so I wanted to give you a heads up. Based on past experience, I think the sourcing and content are in line with Wikipedia guidelines. Should I also notify any others that voted to delete? Timtempleton (talk) 16:25, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Because when an article has been at AfD before, we want an assured chance it's substantially better and, currently writing the sources, it's simply not the case since they're only the company announcements and notices (something WP:CORP shows as unconvincing); take the Forbes for example, an employee Q&A and, while CNET is a "best of", it simply wouldn't be strong enough. Focusing in only the best available major independent news would help. I'll be watching the article for any changes made. My standards, like WP's, has largely changed since that AfD, and we're carefully selective what is considered sufficiently enough. SwisterTwister   talk  16:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking and giving me your feedback. I'll keep looking for more info as you suggest. Def Tech is a cult brand for audiophiles - so I'll hunt in the music review sites to see what I can dig up.  For your own reassurance, if you know any audiophiles you might ask them offline for their opinion of the brand. Timtempleton (talk) 18:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

16:54:02, 5 June 2017 review of submission by Tuula38
Hi again. Just wondering the reasons for decline - is it so that when someone is not willing to give interviews or be photographed as Mr. Nuikki is, it is impossible to have a wikipedia profile, which I think is the only "way" he wanted to be found on internet?

I am askin as Mr. Nuikki has created some of the worlds largest services like tastingbook.com, which is the world´s largest wine information source with over 1.5 million visitors in every month, also founder of the world leading wine publications which have 9 different magazines, also founder of the BWW - world´s largest wine competition etc...publiched over 30 book in five lanquages, Editor in Chief of nine international magazines like world's only Champagne Magazine and world's only Wine Investing magazine, Indias Only official wine magazine, Germany's biggest wine magazine ewtc...he has also awarded with the highest Advertising awards like Kodak Prp-prize, Clio, Cresta, Epica - over 150 international awards and many other great things?

Just wondering why as many of his co-workers who work for him, in his projects, are in Wikipedia?
 * Currently the specific concerns is, even considering the publication name or similar, the content weigh is simply not significant and we would need a better focus in only the best major independent news, not simply announcements or notices. Awards are actually not comparably convincing since they can either be industry-focused, similar, etc. SwisterTwister   talk  19:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI, you are mentioned at New_pages_patrol/Analysis_and_proposal
FYI, thought it might be of interest. Sadads (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Collaborating, learning and adapting
I noticed that you declined an AfC submission of Draft:Collaborating, Learning and Adapting on 6 April 2017 for lack of notability. The article was created anyway by User:Oscoda092, and I recently recommended that it be merged into another article. You are welcome to comment at if you wish. Biogeographist (talk) 15:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk about edit on Draft page about Patricia D'Amore
Thanks for looking at the page I started. I had not thought of looking for information in the Scholar profile. I hope you approve of the further information I included from that source. Still not ready to approve as I am waiting for some extra biographical info. Timlev37 (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

16:20:51, 7 June 2017 review of submission by Florine Calleen
Hello Swister Twister,

it's me again concerning "Johannes Susen". I've changed some points, but the article is not jet approved. The weblinks and sources are all prooved. Johannes Suses work together with Will Shortz, the puzzle editor of the New York Times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Shortz

They are both members of the World Puzzle Federation and took part in many international Puzzle Champinships:

http://www.worldpuzzle.org/members/usa/ http://www.worldpuzzle.org/members/germany/

May be this can help us?

I am very much looking for an answer and wish you a plesant week,

Florine Calleen

Florine Calleen (talk) 16:20, 7 June 2017 (UTC) Florine Calleen (talk) 14:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a start but we would still need all available major independent news to add. SwisterTwister   talk  16:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick answer, Swister Twister!

But what can we do?

May be my explanations concerning the links will help:

•	WDR – Lokalzeit aus Köln (regional TV news magazine) on 18th December 2013: The Crossword Puzzle Inventor (de)

—> that’s one of the biggest independent broadcast ("öffentlich-rechtlich") – in this case the section TV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk#Television

•	WDR5 Zeitzeichen (daily radio broadcast with historical topics) on 21th December 2013: First crossword puzzle to be pulished (de)

—> in this case the culture radio program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk#Radio

•	Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger (local daily paper), 4th/5th August 2007: A mystery man – A man from Brühl invents mental puzzles (de)

--> The daily newspaper in Cologne (one of the oldest in Germany); this has been a newspaper article, we just put the link to the online version

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6lner_Stadt-Anzeiger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._DuMont_Schauberg

Thanks again and best regards! Florine Calleen (talk) 14:30, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Dear Swister Twister,

here some more information which could help:

The worldwide Newsletter of WPF (World Puzzle Federation) and in fact, in every issue Susen am mentioned as a representative of the German puzzle community at GA (general assembly). There is also an article from me in issue no. 13 of 2008 + about the "Activities of the German Puzzle Federation by Johannes Susen". Link Newsletter: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/publications/wpf-newsletter/ Link Newsletter 2008: http://www.worldpuzzle.org/publications/wpf-newsletter/newsletter-13-2008/

Thanks and best regards,

FlorineFlorine Calleen (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's still a start but all additional sourcing would certainly help. SwisterTwister   talk  17:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

13 June 2017, new unreviewed article
Hello!

Would you mind having a look at my new unreviewed article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Wallraff

Thanks!

Tyttcfm (talk) 08:38, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Noticed and reviewed, yes, the two highest cited papers by one major publisher is enough to show significance by WP:PROF. SwisterTwister   talk  08:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Loom Systems - Submission declined
Hi, On March 29, 2017 you've declined the draft of Loom Systems due to insufficient amount of reliable references. I've added some new references that we're not a "not-yet established" company anymore :)

Can you please help me understand if it's OK now? if not, what's missing?

Thanks Dvirperetz (talk) 08:49, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Although you added sources, those are still only based on what the company either announced or said itself, whever published and it's simply not enough in notability; for example, industry awards or funding is still too trivial for us as it shows they still need support and, as for the awards, they're only trade-focused or similar. We've rarely accepted newly started companies is simply because it's nearly always too soon. SwisterTwister   talk  15:55, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your response! I agree with the attitude of not accepting newly started companies, but actually we are not so new anymore.. I've added some unbiased sources such as the one from TheNewStack, the unbiased Gartner's Cool Vendor, a customer interview with Bicycle Transit, and our $6M fundings, may you please help me realize what type of references is missing to prove our establishment?

Thanks! Dvirperetz (talk) 07:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

User talk:Rikirimler
When you leave messages on talk pages, please sign them. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Couple of things
Hi SwisterTwister Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:08, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Firstly I note that you have automatic archiving set up, but it is not catching nearly 200 older threads which are clogging up your talk page and making it slow to load. Would you mind doing a manual cleanup and getting it down to a manageable size?
 * Secondly I'm sure that you are following the discussion at Administrators' noticeboard and I appreciate it may be unpleasant and stressful to see the strength of feeling there. I understand if you prefer not to respond there, but would you please consider making a short statement on your talk page to say that take the concerns on board and how things will change going forward? I fear that in the absence of a conciliatory response some editing restriction will likely be imposed on you.
 * Please could you respond to these when you have time? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:54, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Still waiting ... &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I have archived your talk page - looks much tidier now! The problem is that users are not signing/dating their posts so the automatic archiving is not happening. I wonder why User:SineBot is not visiting this page because that would be useful. I must have missed your statement but will go check it now. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:01, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll see what I can archive today. SwisterTwister   talk  15:32, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see that you have made any effort to archive your talk, as it is still extremely long. Would you mind if I did a manual archive? And could you please respond to my second point as well? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes you can but, about the second point, I had made a statement there and I don't see how I can answer the second point as I had commented there and I've improved a mass number of the relevant articles. SwisterTwister   talk  17:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Why have you redirected the page?
Hi SwisterTwister,

I could not understand why Netmagic Solutions page was redirected to its parent page, NTT, when Netmagic Solutions as a subsidiary merits a separate page. Please restore or let me know what kind of changes is required to comply with wiki policies.Pramuwi (talk) 09:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * None of it satisfies our set policies and, actually, its information and sources were too promotional to separate what the company itself would advertise and what an independent uninvolved encyclopedia would publish instead. Focusing in only what genuinely independent coverage has said about the company, and not simply announcements or notices will help convince us. SwisterTwister   talk  03:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)