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Your submission at Articles for creation: National Rosacea Society (May 1)
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AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:26, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Neisson (rum) (May 21)
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 DGG ( talk ) 18:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Distillerie Neisson has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Distillerie Neisson. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: National Rosacea Society has been accepted
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Your submission at Articles for creation: Lily Born (November 1)
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AfC notification: Draft:Hoochery Distillery has a new comment
 I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Hoochery Distillery. Thanks! Dan arndt (talk) 06:54, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hoochery Distillery has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing! Northern Escapee (talk) 05:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Hoochery Distillery for deletion
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Paid editing.
The content you added to Anil Dash was excessively promotional and indistinguishable from paid editing. Please carefully review Conflict of interest, specifically #Paid editors. Please then very carefully review Paid-contribution disclosure and follow those instructions as applicable. You may also find Plain and simple conflict of interest guide helpful. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 11:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Amusingly, a significant portion of the "promotional" language that you stripped out was in the entry prior to my contributions, and you left in bald promotional links while removing legitimately noteworthy additions. I am a veteran journalist; perhaps you're mistaking my voice for promotion. Swordswfriends (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I have no interest in personally verifying your career history, but it doesn't matter very much. Unfortunately, being a journalist doesn't preclude being paid for editing. Likewise, it doesn't preclude you from having to follow Wikipedia's guidelines on promotional editing. These guidelines apply everywhere, including Hoochery Distillery, where you have padded-out the article with an excessive amount of trivial and non-notable awards, often without any sources or with unreliable primary sources.
 * As I said, your additions are indistinguishable from paid editing, regardless of your motives. Grayfell (talk) 20:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

My point in bringing up my journalism training was to note that my journalistic writing style may not match your idea of an encyclopedic tone. As I stated in the Talk page for Hoochery Distillery, I recognize that the awards list is excessive but there doesn't seem to be a consensus about what awards should be included; some distillery/brand entries list many awards, others list very few. This is a case of inexperience, not paid editing. I have no connection at all to the Hoochery, and have not been paid by them. Rather than penalizing work that in your opinion seems paid, I would welcome your advice on how to write more in line with Wikipedia style. Dismissing work that doesn't match your expectations "regardless of motive" is neither productive nor in the spirit of Wikipedia. Swordswfriends (talk) 19:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The problem is not that the writing was journalistic, it's that it was also PR-like. The line between these two is as blurry as it ever was, but hopefully we can agree this distinction is important.
 * You added this to the article, as just one example:
 * Dash has written and spoken extensively about the social and ethical considerations of internet technologies, being recognized for writing about "The Web We Lost" and the IndieWeb, the idea that "regular people might own their own identities by having their own websites, instead of being dependent on a few big sites to host their online identity."
 * This was all only supported by his own blog, which doesn't even mention the term "indieweb". Editorializing about how extensive something is, and that it has been recognized, and telling readers that this kind of stuff is encyclopedically significant, as at best a form of original research. As a journalist, these kinds of WP:PEACOCK terms should be familiar to you already as red flags, and they are also red flags here on Wikipedia. Since this was is only supported by a primary source, it is also promotional.
 * The simplest advice I can give you on avoiding PR-like writing is to avoid vagueness and euphemisms. Don't just say "recognized". Instead, use a reliable, independent source to explain how it was recognized. If this doesn't seem like a level of detail that readers actually care about, then it's not meaningful to tell them it's been "recognized" in the first place. Not every detail belongs, and not every source that is superficially reliable needs to be cited in any particular article. This also applies to less flattering terms like "controversial". (see WP:CSECTION for more on that).
 * I have responded on the distillery talk page with more specific comments about that issue. Grayfell (talk) 23:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for this clarification — yes, the lines between journalism and PR have blurred considerably. The passage you flagged was not written by me; it predated my edits by I don't know how long. It may appear to be my work because I copied the entry over to my sandbox as I drafted my additions and looked for citations, and then pasted everything back in. I agree that it was rather editorial, but I left it alone since it had previously passed muster.
 * Thanks also for your guidance on the Hoochery awards section. I will keep those guidelines in mind in the future, as I've been intermittently working on entries in the spirits category since it's not very well developed.Swordswfriends (talk) 16:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * You added the passage with this edit. It was not in the article prior to this edit. I had previously removed a somewhat similar passage specifically because it was too promotional. Your edit restored a version of that content that added peacock terms and vague filler. You are responsible for your edits. Grayfell (talk) 00:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Grayfell. That's promotional writing. Drmies (talk) 00:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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