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Antonio Arnaiz-Villena
Please don't WP:Edit war as you are on this article. Doing so may get you blocked, even if you do not violate WP:3RR. You might want to read WP:BOLD for how to handle content disputes. — kwami (talk) 06:15, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, take it to the Talk page, or I will block you. We have conflict-of-interest problems here. — kwami (talk) 00:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Use of your user page
Hi, It is not permitted to use your user page to disparage other editors or collect evidence about them. Please read WP:ATTACK. I ask you to remove such comments as are there and not to add more. If you want to make complaints about other editors, there are places specifically for that purpose such as WP:ANI and WP:ANEW. But first read WP:DISPUTE for a summary of what is permitted in disputes and how to solve them. We have a rather short fuse regarding bad behavior and you can get blocked if you aren't careful. Zerotalk 14:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, there are alternative ways for people to complain about pages written about themselves. If that is what you need, ask me for instructions. Zerotalk 14:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

As you may understand,I am in contact with A A-V- He has asked newspapers to remove news (one or two days syndicated false news).They have refused and now they are taken to a new appealling body for Internet libels. Now,there is an uproar throughout Spain,but do not think that it is only becase of the crisis.The level of corruption here is not easy to believe(and I am a civil servant). Please,let me have instructions ,I will pass. The "linguists" Trigaranus ,Akerbeltz,Dumu Eduba and Kwamikagami have managed to shut up User:Arnaiz1(Arnaiz-Villena,as he disclosed);User:Virginal6,another victim;also,they removed a page by User:IberomesornixThe Inquisition could not be more efficient. They do the same with our colleages Merrit Ruhlen and John Bengtson.Symbio04 (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all, if any of us ever tried to "silence" (?!?) Merritt Ruhlen or John Bengtson, please show people some WP:DIFFs to prove it. Making such a claim and leaving it here is tantamount to libel (a cowardly concept you are more than familiar with), much the worse for utterly being made up out of thin air. And secondly: you are not on a par with either Ruhlen or Bengtson, who are in fact linguists, unlike yourself. Trigaranus (talk) 00:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Trigaranus,I think it is better sticking to contents.I do not understand a word of your new play.
 * I am myself and only myself.
 * If you do not understand by know that quite a lot of past PhD students and other people who were also persecuted are fed up with your attacks to A-V,you should have a long walk into the forest.Symbio04 (talk) 23:46, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should stick to the contents, provided we are all honest about who we are. If you must know, I am a linguist and historian based in Zürich, with experience in several of the languages you claim are related to Basque.
 * I am fully confident that you are yourself and only yourself. I am certainly no judge but the elephant in the room is that "you" in this context stands for that respected geneticist (but not-so-respected player with syllables), prof. Antonio Arnaiz-Villena. I would say chances for that are about 50%. Also, I strongly suspect that you are presently using this account as a new sockpuppet after several other socks of Iberomesornix have been blocked. Chances for that are rather above 80%, in my book.
 * I feel the anger of your PhD students and cannot imagine the pain this persecution must have brought upon them; yet I am still extremely partial to long walks in the forest, which I do enjoy, especially in the summertime when it as hot as now.
 * Lastly, it is interesting to note that I criticise your linguistic positions and am accused of persecution for doing so. Persecution is a different matter entirely, and abusing the term so lightly for such trifles as academic refutation is showing persecuted people a great deal of disrespect. Criticism of your scholarly proposals ought to be answered by reinforcing or revisiting these proposals, not by lamenting how unfair everybody is being. Trigaranus (talk) 00:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand you do not agree with someone and express it,even bluntly.I cannot refute your critics to A-V and others linguistic work now.But I will ask and do.It is obvious  that some other peole thought  the same than A-V by  relating Basque,Sumerian,Iberian ,etc   .They are sending me more people and the languages compared to Basque before A-V.Symbio04 (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * On the other hand,are you interested in linguists or in law?,May be you are specialist in both fieldsSymbio04 (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As to your last cleverish comment: I am not the least interested in the legal procedings against AAV, and I care neither about nor for the matter. I have read some of his work on genetics and some of the criticisms; and I have read his famous "banned" article which simply struck me as both sloppy in language proficiency (how about asking a friend to proof-read?) and amateurish in its attempted conclusions from genetics to history, aside from being apparently (according to some of the critics) a bit outdated as to the methodology and the sampling in genetics (of which I am not an expert and which I consequently could not judge, myself). Still, I find much of the hype about its post-publication retraction to be exaggerated and inappropriate. The reason why I have become active on the issue again is Zero's interference on the linguistic points, which I find to be groundless.
 * As to your first comment: "It is obvious that some other people thought the same /as/ A-V by relating Basque, Sumerian, Iberian, etc." I asked you to bring forward a linguist (and with that I mean a "language scientist" so to speak), and all you can fall back on is a person like Imanol Agirre?!? Why not Barry Fell or Erich von Däniken? The article about Agirre even describes him as a "lingüista, lexicógrafo y epigrafista autodidacto, miembro de la diletante Sociedad Epigráfica de los Estados Unidos"! This is like trying to prove that conterfeit money is genuine by comparing it to another bogus bill! I was not asking you to graze beyond even the fringe of linguistics, I was asking you to limit yourself to peer-reviewed specialists. Trigaranus (talk) 13:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Have you read anything from Agirre?I can advise you to read what he wrote.I have the feeling that you repeat more like a parrot (joke,please) what your closed group of "professionals" say.
 * One should have a walk in the forest (including myself).I do not know who is Daniken.
 * Humboldt has written much in common with Agirre.
 * And what about Untermann[]?Apparently, you (or your professional group) was inviting him :good meals ,good holydays,good lectures...Then,quite late,he realized that Basque and Iberian languages were much related.
 * I have learnt recently that you (and /or others) stopped invitations for him to Spain.Is it true?Symbio04 (talk) 23:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I came across Agirre a few years ago when I tried to point out some of the many places Barry Fell had gone off the way of sanity in his epigraphical studies. Agirre apparently did not think so. (The man, Fell, had no idea of epigraphy or linguistics, and tried to read some inscriptions in Oklahoma (!) as a Punic-"P-Celtic" (!) bilingual. With crappy Punic. With crappy P-Celtic. With crappy Celtiberian literacy. With crappy Ogham reading. And so on.) Associating with such men does not help any argument. (BTW: read up on Erich von Däniken, he will make even you laugh.)
 * Jürgen Untermann on the other hand is a perfectly respected and very capable linguist, although I know little of his eating habits these days or of who buys him his dinners at which conferences. Knowing you a little and your tendency to hurl accusations ad hominem out there, I think it will be a safe bet to answer your "Is it true?" question at the end with "Prolly not". Given that the whole Basque-vs.-Iberian debate is something that seems to be steamed up politically only in Spain, it might well be that some eggheads in Madrid have put nationalism before academia; but I very much doubt that is the case, and it would certainly not have any such effect outside of Spain.
 * The real problem is — once again! — that you claim support you do not have. A relationship between Basque and Iberian has not been proven ("realised ... were much related" is a gross overstatement at this stage), but I would say it is certainly possible. It would not surprise me in the least if that turned out to become an established theory one day, once more texts — including bilinguals with Latin or Greek — have been found. When Jürgen Untermann, who is undoubtedly an expert on the Trümmersprachen of the Iberian Penninsula, posits such a relationship, he does so because of the evidence, and not contrary to it, and any linguist will seriously consider his suggestions, even if they eventually refute them. Iberian and Basque being related? Very well possible, but not provable so far.
 * However, is that really what you claim credit for? Nope. You want to put forward a totally different idea: "Usko-Mediterranean" languages? Basque and Akkadian? Basque and Hittite? Basque and Sumerian? In other words: "Basque is a Semitic language" plus "Basque is an Indo-European language" plus "Basque belongs in the same group as Sumerian". And even better: not only is Basque related to all and any of these... it is even possible to read them using modern (!) Basque syllables (!). No sound change. No morphology. No syntax. Way to go, tiger. It is actually enough to make me giggle again. "Usko-Mediterranean" languages? I am blast certain that that is exactly what Merritt Ruhlen, John Bengtsson and Jürgen Untermann will enthusiastically applaud, embrace, and sign their names under, saying: "That Antonio Arnaiz-Villena guy, he sure knows his diachronic linguistics!". And you can try as much as you want, using their names to cover this part of your theory or that little bit over there. But in the end your "theory" remains a crocoduck. Stick to genetics. Trigaranus (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Blocked as a sock puppet
You have been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet. –MuZemike 22:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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 * Thi block is unreasonable I was just discussing technichal matters or talkig relaxedly

Symbio04 (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2011 (UTC)