User talk:Synova SA Laser Microjet

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The article Laser Microjet has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. --Chuck Sirloin 15:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Laser microjet
Thank you for taking the time to discuss this topic with me. Let me address a few points that you may be unfamiliar with in terms of Wikipedia.
 * You said on my talk page that "there is a fact that must be published into Wikipedia : these guys are mastering a completly new technology having amazing advantages on the two parent technology (water jet and laser beam), therefore I think this must be stated!"
 * First off, you obviously work at this company which presents a conflict of interest (click here for more information) when writing articles on the subject.
 * Actually I am not working at but for, and this is just for a little while, and I saw that they are sort of very modest in term of advertising and self promotion, therefore I admit I have a conflict of interest, and therefore ready to excerce the greater cautions. On the other side if it happens that anyone else master this technology in a very discrete fassion, they are of course welcome to add any usefull information on this page
 * Second, you provided no outside, verifiable (again click here for more info) sources on why this is a notable technology that merits a Wikipedia article.
 * (a) You can check the Synova.ch website, and you'll find all the relevant documentation! (b) these machines work and are actually used arround the world (c) some advantages like the help of the water jet to remove the melted junk are obvious, because light and photons don't have enough mass to do this cleaning job!
 * Also you said "if you think anythink having an advertising flavor should be removed, please remove also the few million links linking on any sort of company and business". Well, that is just not an acceptable argument for inclusion. In fact it is a strawman argument: Spamming is about promoting your own site or a site you love, not about commercial sites at all. Links to commercial sites are often appropriate. Links to sites for the purpose of using Wikipedia to promote your site are not. For more information feel free to read the page on spam.
 * I know links to commercial sites are appropriate, this is often very useful when you wish to get hot information from the field, and this is one of the goal of this page, allowing users of water and laser technology to realise that it's possible to mix boths! There are certainly people thinking that only laser or only water jets are better, and it would be very interesting to hear their arguments, but if they don't know that this technology exists, we'll get no chance for that!
 * Lastly, you said "if you think this should be written in a more neutral form, please add your corrections". The thing is, it is not my responsibility to change your article to make it acceptable. If it had some sources I would help, but as it stood, it was just a blatant advertising for your company.
 * I agree so I removed any brand name (except the external link) and rewrote it under a more neutral name

The bottom line is that, if you can find some reliable news articles or journal sources that support your claims, I would be more than happy to help you write an article on the topic, but you still have a conflict of interest because your company sells it.
 * It's not stated taht conflict of interest forbid anyone to write something about it, it's just stated that in these cases greater caution should be taken, so I try very hard

If your technology is important enough, someone else will write an article about it. http://www.synova.ch/english/company/company_profile_ip.htm http://www.synova.ch/english/company/company_profile_awards.php
 * not sure that will happens quickly, it's a very sharp market out of public attention, and even very happy customers or scientists will get some sort of conflict of interest, by the way I could also have taken the pseudo "happy moon walker" avoiding a too obvious connotation! But here is not the point I hope! So you are very right about trying to give solid proofs, I went through their website for a while and got a few, but it could be improved, anyway, here it is :

Thanks for your time. --Chuck Sirloin 17:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC) Thanks for your time too, hoping you'll get some interest into this technology


 * I found a journal source for some of the company information, so I went ahead and moved the article back to the original name and re-wrote it. --Chuck Sirloin 20:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)