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commons:User:Syrthiss
I assert that I am the same person as User:Syrthiss on commons. Syrthiss 13:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Talkback
I dream of horses @ 22:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Bigotgate
Per your posting at ANI, I have taken this matter to DRV as your deletion seems improper. Colonel Warden (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Alrighty. Did you roll it in, or create a completely new one?  Also, please remember to sign your comments at DRV with ~ .  I had to add an  by you earlier. Syrthiss (talk) 15:02, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * They are distinct redirects. One is a direct attack, one isn't. A joint DRV would be too confusing. – xeno talk 15:07, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree (on it being a separate issue than the B-W-I), and have said as much in my comment at drv. If consensus is to restore it, thats fine.  If nothing else, I'd rather have to apologize for acting out of process than to have BLP issues for the encyclopedia.  Has there been any move to DRV Bigotsgate? Syrthiss (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you explain how "Bigotgate" as a simple redirect is an attack? Bigotsgate was an actual article, I'm not sure if the writer plans to bring it to DRV. I did notify Fences&Windows of the Bigotgate DRV though. FWIW, I don't think you would have to apologize: while I think that deletion was in error, one shouldn't feel the need to apologize for erring on the side of caution in deference BLP. – xeno talk 15:34, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've been trying for a few hours to come up with an explanation with no fruitful analogies manifesting. So I'm not ignoring you, I'm just not able to put it into a compelling argument at this point. Syrthiss (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I've just noticed our guideline on redirects specifically allows this one: "if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources), it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms". – xeno talk 20:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Query
This is a case involving a userpage. The userpage has been tagged for deletion some days prior. An IP has just deleted the content. This is not a case of the author blanking their own article / userpage, but a case of someone else blanking a userpage without explanation in the edit summary. This is the edit. I reverted it for the reasons I gave, and warned the IP. Am I correct in doing this? I would like to make sure, before I'm blasted again for cocking up. Thanks, Orphan Wiki  11:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Thats correct. We have no way of knowing if the IP is the user, so warning for vandalism is appropriate. :) Syrthiss (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Jolly good! Thankyou :) Orphan Wiki  21:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Planning Discussions Now Underway Regarding DC Meetup #10

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Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page. --Nlu (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a prob! Syrthiss (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Victoria Society
Having had a little more success with research, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind reviewing the article to see if it matches your strict criteria for acceptance? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pb352 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll take a look, thanks. Syrthiss (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

nick barham redirect
i understand that i can't redirect to userspace, but why not? i'm not doubting you, i just wanna know why. qö₮$@37 (talk) 14:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Essentially, I think its because people were creating articles in their userspace and trying to argue that because the pages were in userspace certain aspects of policy didn't apply (like manual of style, proper citations, biographies of living persons). The pages also don't show up on google searches if they exist only in userspace.  I don't remember when the last big blow up about it was, but I think it was from maybe 2007 that they decided just to not allow it explicitly. Syrthiss (talk) 15:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah, i've tried to search them in blackle and they don't show up. the rule is kinda stupid, but i'm not one to say. qö₮$@37 (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As with all things at wikipedia, you can start a discussion on the Village Pump about changing it and see if you have consensus. If a substantial consensus emerged that it was useless the policy could be re-written.  At the very least, someone there might be able to explain better than I can why it is in place.  Hope that helps. Syrthiss (talk) 17:17, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Gregg Foreman
I've restored it and moved it to your user space. Clean it up and I'll move it back if you don't know how to do a proper move. (Not meant to offend, but I have no idea who has what powers and knowledge these days....) - UtherSRG (talk) 14:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hrm.... So the two bands he played with, which would give him notability, you didn't wikilink. Maybe he's not really notable? - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I did. Didn't I?  He was with Cat whatever and The something 72, according to the articles on those bands and the reference.  Did I forget to wikilink them?  I didn't wiki the later times I mentioned them. Syrthiss (talk) 17:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Your honor, if I may submit that you are on crack. :) The bands are all linked at their first mention in the article. Syrthiss (talk) 17:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm on crack. :D In my defense, I work night shift, and I was a few hours into the day shift trying to get tired enough to go to sleep. I think I succeeded. ;) However, I don't see him in the Cat Power article, so we need some V&RS that says he was in it. I didn't check the other article yet. If we have no proof he was in either band, he's back to being NN and deletable. - UtherSRG (talk) 04:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm very much on crack. He's in both articles. I think I should go back to bed.... - UtherSRG (talk) 04:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * :D Syrthiss (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Block against User:!JAMIEIMAJ!
We got a request at unblock-en-l that this user be unblocked since her previous account was compromised. You've blocked her for being a sockpuppet, but at User talk:Larry jefferson the first unblock request states ''Per WP:GOTHACKED we will have to leave this account blocked. You are free to start a new one.'' This new account does not appear to have performed any blatant vandalism; the only edit in article space  was reverted for lack of citations (appropriate, of course) but does not appear malicious. Would this be an appropriate case to AGF? --Chris (talk) 21:05, 20 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure, thats fine with me. I think I only blocked it because of the behavior after it was reported at AIV.  Will you handle the unblocking or should I?  Keep in mind that tho I'm willing to assume good faith, I pretty much expect the account is intending to be disruptive.  The post on Sco1996's talk page didn't look encouraging. Syrthiss (talk) 11:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah. My understanding is that they are friends in real-life, so I'm not terribly worried about whatever they want to do to each other (WP:FORUM and WP:NOTFACEBOOK aside).  I'll go ahead and unblock the account and will also keep an eye on it.  (Yay WatchlistBot.)  Thanks!  --Chris (talk) 15:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

, and  also don't give me a lot of hope for this. First stop, the userlist and then driving through to checkuser. Syrthiss (talk) 16:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

actually i'm male, no i'm not intending to be disruptive, and whats AGF? i would also like you to get rid of this since its unfair for me, you did not ask me if you could make a user talk article about me. jamie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by !JAMIEIMAJ! (talk • contribs) 11:13, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are being disruptive. Please block this user. See the page history at Hyposmocoma mediocris Ruigeroeland (talk) 20:39, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

User pagemoving articles way too brashly
I don't know if combating pagemove vandalism is your cup of tea, but uses the pagemove function way too often and without any source to back his actions, the latest two were on Survivor Philippines: Celebrity Edition and Laguindingan International Airport. Most of this pagemoves had to be reverted by other users. What can you do about him? Thanks in advance. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I think this may be something for WP:ANI. From what I can see, this user has never once posted to a talk page to discuss things... has had multiple articles deleted as copyright violations... and moves pages around to unsourced names.  Assuming good faith, they don't appear to be doing much good for the encyclopedia.  However, I think that anything that should be done needs to be a community decision.  If you start a section on ANI, feel free to let me know and I'll copy the relevant part of my comment here to there. I hope this helps. Syrthiss (talk) 12:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I've already told several admins about this because but I always use WP:AN/I as a last resort as it may not get responded on in at least an hour, if not immediately. Anyway, I would add the message above to WP:AN/I anyway. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * PS: Do you know what good speedy deletion template would be used on Kuki (TV series) and Kukji (TV series)? I've turned them to redirects since these two were the product of this user's pagemove from Kokey @ Ako and both are non-sensical, I believe. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 12:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I believe those would be db-r3, as unlikely redirects to a page. Syrthiss (talk) 12:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello, you blocked me a few weeks ago. I am just wondering if you would block me again. Thanks.

- Carlton Cuse

Mrm087 (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Karin Slaughter
See my note on the talk p. of Grant County, Georgia Sometimes I do this myself, but someone has to.The original author seems very unlikely to return. This sort of problem occurs all too often with popular fiction.  DGG ( talk ) 03:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Replied there. I believe your sentence above should be 'Sometimes I do this myself, but someone else has to (this time)', based on what you wrote over there.  I think its unlikely that I'll have time, but I'll see what I can do to clean up the fangush. Syrthiss (talk) 13:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Connolly's RED MILLS
Hi Syrthiss, I put up a hangon note on this page once it was up for speedy deletion but not much time was given to write a message on the talk page. Anyway, I want to try and rewrite this piece and include more citations from reliable third party sites as I think it would be beneficial for users, hopefully then it will be ok!

Cheers,

--2008CM (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Please feel free. I look forward to a neutral, well supported article on this. Syrthiss (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Who maintains what
Did you notice who cleared User talk:12.7.202.2? User:12.7.202.2 has the right to maintain this page, right? -12.7.202.2 (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, and it has been established that IPs do not own their talkpages like a registered account does. I wouldn't warn an ip for 'vandalising' their talkpage by blanking it, but at the same time I'm not going to desist from reverting the blanking.  Also, do you always talk about yourself in the third person? Syrthiss (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There is guidance on this at WP:BLANKING. – xeno talk 18:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, which specifically says 'declined unblock notices', etc. which are extant on 12.7.202.2's page should not be blanked. Were you providing guidance to me or to the IP? Syrthiss (talk) 18:15, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Both really. And it goes on to say 'only while sanctions are in effect'. While I don't necessarily agree with this guideline, IPs are allowed to blank most content from their talk pages. That being said, if this IP is the static IP of the indefinitely blocked user as indicated by the sock template, why isn't it blocked for longer? – xeno talk 18:17, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Its probably not worth getting into a fish slapping dance about. The ip can try to hide that they are a sock, and anyone with a reasonable amount of suspicion will look at the block log and talk page history. I don't know from the ANI section if a full SPI was carried out, just a duck-test blocking for a week which expired today. Syrthiss (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yea, I'm just reading up some of the background (pointed EyeSerene here, too). Might make sense to get the SPI run or just call it confirmed per DUCK. – xeno talk 18:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

About to leave for the day, so maybe tomorrow I'll look into the edits and try to determine anecdotally if there are non-mbhiii-esque edits coming from the IP in the past. Syrthiss (talk) 18:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. – xeno talk 18:45, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * NOW I HAVE TO GO PICK UP LIKE 7 ELECTRIC GUITARS, AND A GLENN FREY MASK. THANKS. Syrthiss (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There was no SPI that I'm aware of; I blocked because of the deafening quacking. I gave all accounts/IPs including the now-indefblocked sockmaster 1 week, though if that IP's static then a longer block might well be appropriate. An SPI might well be useful, but it doesn't take too much delving into the various histories to spot the socking. The only real reason I didn't block for longer was because I wasn't sure if was shared (I don't recall seeing the notice then that's there now).  EyeSerene talk 18:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * hehe I bet because the IP blanked it. I'm not sure how definitive the sharedip notice is, the whois that I looked at from the toolserver was kind of sparse. Syrthiss (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Heh, no doubt you're right. Oh well, we live and learn :) EyeSerene talk 18:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Its probably worthwhile just to get the SPI, and see if the Checkusers can confirm the nature of the IP. That or I'll try to look tomorrow and see if I can figure it out from the edits. :) Syrthiss (talk) 19:01, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Opened WP:Sockpuppet investigations. Syrthiss (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied there yesterday, BTW (was hoping that someone with experience would take care of it, but alas). A bit cryptic as I need to be, but should give you everything you need to decide. :) Amalthea  11:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks Amalthea. I extended Xeno's month block to a year long anon only.  I'm going to recopy captain nono's other mbhiii ips here, and try to keep an eye on them.  First one I checked hasn't done anything since May 25. Syrthiss (talk) 11:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Multiple IPs were blocked originally. Additional ones were blocked throughout the original 1 week block due to multiple attempts to evade it. User:74.242.231.200, User:74.242.231.200, User:74.162.153.141, User:74.242.252.148, User:98.69.170.215, User:65.80.37.13, 68.210.144.13. Cptnono (talk) 21:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit war: Girls' Generation
Could you or an other admin may take a look at the following pages:
 * Girls' Generation
 * Taeyeon
 * Jessica Jung
 * Sunny (Korean singer)
 * Tiffany (Korean singer)
 * Hyoyeon
 * Kwon Yuri
 * Sooyoung
 * Im Yoona
 * Seohyun

User:EunSoo always undos my edits, so I think an admin should decide. See also: User_talk:EunSoo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Crisp (talk • contribs) 07:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll try to take a look. From a brief skimming of EunSoo's talk page, they're very bold in their editing (to put it nicely) and not so big on understanding why it might cause problems.  Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 11:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello Syrthsis. I am very big on understanding that's why I engross myself in these discussions. But it seems like editors ideas of understanding is giving up. They seems to not understand what I am saying. I am actually not breaking any of Wikipedia's rules but editors rules. EunSoo (talk) 11:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thats why I said I'd look into it, not "I'm going to go punish EunSoo straight away!!!". What it looks like to me at first glance is you are relatively new to the encyclopedia, and even if you aren't breaking any 'rules' you are going against some guidelines (for example, page moves) that have been long established in order to try and smooth out the disagreements that might arise in a collaborative project such as this.  I might recommend obtaining the services of an experienced editor as a mentor, but let me dig a little first. Syrthiss (talk) 11:35, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to point them both to WP:3RR after this spilled over to AIV. – B.hotep •talk• 11:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

(after ec with Bubbahotep, talking on this same subject) BTW - I'm going to warn you both here, and separately on your talk pages - at just the first article I looked at Sunny (Korean singer) (because it is on my watchlist after protecting it yesterday) you both are either at or exceeded 3 reverts in violation of WP:3RR. If you are not familiar with that policy, please consider reading it and adhering to it or run the risk of being blocked from editing. Syrthiss (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I ask that you name a few incorrections about my edits to the SNSD articles. Thant would help me. EunSoo (talk) 12:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Since I have been working to put out the edit war fire, I haven't had a chance to investigate. The issue yesterday was you and another editor moved sunny's article between 'entertainer' and 'singer'.  That was a valid move on the surface, and not against guidelines or policy.  However, if there is a chance that someone would object to the move then you need to follow the guidelines at requested moves.  That way you can be sure you have consensus for the move and head off any edit warring. Syrthiss (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh no I'm not talking about the moves I mean the edit war between Dr. Crisp and I. What is it about my contributions to Sooyoung, Hyoyeon and etc that was bad? EunSoo (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
 * repeating myself* I'll let you know when I get a chance to look. I have not had a chance yet.  Syrthiss (talk) 12:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

A heads up
Hey. Just letting you know that I've had a chance to review Sooyoung, and I've written a summary of on the talk page. User:EunSoo's edits across these Girls' Generation pages have been similar, with the addition of redundant information at best, unsourced trivia at worst. But I can't really comment beyond that, as I've been conflicting with the user as well. SKS (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, I haven't had time to look in depth still... RL getting in the way.  I popped in and noticed EunSoo has been dancing with 3RR and socking all afternoon, so my opinion is that I won't get to look at the contributions before EunSoo is indeffed for disruptive editing. Syrthiss (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

EunSoo sock
I believe that User:EunSoo is back editing under these two IPs, 189.1.142.88 and 193.227.250.111. The former IP edits are similar (if not exactly) the same as EunSoo. This might also be a sock 88.248.114.46. And a next one 222.122.197.23. Sorry to bother you again but I found one more 110.136.187.43. MS  (Talk | Contributions)  17:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


 * All those have been blocked as open proxies. Let me know if you run across others, I don't usually look at Japanese entertainer articles.  I will block or protect as needed. Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Just a heads up about one of the ranges (61.18.170.0/24) that may get used again, User_talk:Zzuuzz. Best not to long block these. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Alrighty, thanks. In general, I'm skeered of rangeblocks so I might just call on you if thats needed.  The ones above I did for 2 months (some had been blocked previously by procseebot for that long.  Think those are too long? Syrthiss (talk) 12:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * That must have been quite a nightmare keeping on top of all that. I know it was for me! And I think Socks & Co realises that too. – B.hotep •talk• 12:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, it ate up a lot of the afternoon on Friday. :( I'm glad for the help, however much of a headache it was for you. :) Syrthiss (talk) 12:50, 7 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, he was playing the proxy card, which I think he eventually realised is not a good long term thing to do. Many have tried before and soon run out of IPs. Those blocks all look fine, and feel free if you like. It's the ones where you can't find a port number for that IP that are the ones to be wary of. In this case a single open proxy is moving around on one of Hong Kong's busier ISPs. The only way to stop it is to block the whole range (not a desirable thing). -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You may be interested in what I think is another another sock - Sockpuppet investigation page. Dpmuk (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I made a comment on the SPI, but this behavior isn't the ones that I was following so while I'm suspicious, I'm willing to wait on the Checkuser.  Certainly I'll watch their talkpage and see if they start up edit warring etc.  I'm still of the opinion that EunSoo could be a productive editor, if we could just get them to listen to consensus and stop edit warring. Syrthiss (talk) 11:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I've now added a checkuser request to their SPI page. I'd agree that EunSoo could be a productive editor and actually thought I was making progress with them before they got their ban.  Suppose the balls in their court now.  Dpmuk (talk) 12:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

EKOenergy
Hi please check out the latest version of EKOenergy ecolabel here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Reskelinen/EKOenergy

Do you think this could be ready to publish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.236.248.99 (talk) 12:09, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I did a little bit of editing. I think it certainly would survive the speedy deletion round, as it isn't overly advertorial and asserts why the label is notable.  I'm not sure it would pass a full AFD, just because I don't know enough about the other articles in this area.  If you accepted my changes on the draft, and fixed that one uncited claim then I'd have no objection. Syrthiss (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Speed Deletion
Why did you delete Scott Fraser (Singer). It is actually true. Also it was not finished yet. Sco1996 &#124;  I will respond.  12:35, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Before I answer that, can you explain this edit? Syrthiss (talk) 12:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was told by a mate of mine that this was definatley a sockpuppet of Larry jefferson —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sco1996 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sockpuppet investigations/Larry jefferson. I'll reply below about your article. Syrthiss (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe I was tricked by my mate. I have removed the tag. Sco1996 &#124;  I will respond.  12:48, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Darn those tricksy mates. Syrthiss (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Page
You said on my talk page that a page that i have created is to be deleted or has already been deleted. I have edited wikipedia for ages and have only created one page, Ovingham Middle School and that was months ago. Could this have anything to do with the Scott Fraser (Singer) page. Sco1996 &#124;  I will respond.  12:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I was warning you to not make articles about non-notable people. Your article might be 'true', but you didn't explain why Scott Fraser is notable enough to be included in the encyclopedia.  You've edited here long enough that surely you've come across our notability guidelines. Syrthiss (talk) 12:46, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The Scott Fraser (Singer) article is about me. I am well know in the local area. The article was created by someone I knew and his aim was probably to get me more well known.  Sco1996  &#124;  I will respond.  12:52, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * You posted a message on my talk page that starts with "Welcome to Wikipedia", then you say that I have been on wikipedia for a while and should know how everything works. Also, I the articles on how to use wikipedia are way too long and takes ages to find the information that you need and I simply do not have the time to read every single bloody word of each article when I would only need to know a small section. Sco1996  &#124;  I will respond.  07:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the message I left on your talkpage is a standard template that includes the 'welcome to wikipedia'. I don't expect editors to know everything about how Wikipedia works, but I'd assume that after 6 months (your first edit being in December 2009) you might have some feel for our basic guidelines for articles and notability.  So, without slight to you and your local popularity the article doesn't meet our threshold for inclusion and was deleted. Cheers! Syrthiss (talk) 11:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thats the guy who keeps saying i'm a sockpuppet. Larry Hernandez (talk) 12:48, 9 June 2010

United Drug speedy deletion
Hi Syrthiss, thanks for the message on my talk page. I think United Drug is an article of note, and I'll work more on it when I get a chance; here's an Irish Times article from May 11, 2010 stating that "United Drug has today reported pre-tax profits of €31.5 million for the six months to the end of March 2010, a five per cent increase on the €30 million recorded a year earlier." I think this is notable enough for a wikipedia article, although the company probably isn't that well known outside of the UK and Ireland.--Eggonclegg (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I copied this note over to the talkpage for the United Drug article for the reviewing admin to see. I'm not all that sure that a profit notice is all that notable, unless the company staff is comprised of only 2 people or something...but I'll leave it to the reviewing administrator to judge. Syrthiss (talk) 14:26, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * They are probably the biggest supplier of medicines to pharmacies in the Republic of Ireland - and I think they also own quite a few as well, and they generally have a big (albeit largely behind the scenes) influence on healthcare in Ireland. I'll have to do some research on their UK operation, and although it doesn't need a big article, I would definitely think it's notable. Thanks for your help!--Eggonclegg (talk) 15:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

block user:sco1996
Dear Syrthiss. sco1996 is continuing to sockpuppet none sockpuppet users causing general trouble to the site he is using inappropriate languages on pages and generally disusing the site i also know he has two accounts although i am not sure of the name of the second. please can you stop him. from Tariq. Tariq harr (talk) 11:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I've been told sco1996 is a scokpuppet but i'm not sure of yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tariq harr (talk • contribs) 12:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I've reverted your sockpuppet notice on his page. My checkuser wasn't conclusive. Syrthiss (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

John Cunnison ("Ian") Catford
Syrthiss,

thanks for the advice. I didn't know about this policy. I'll try to rewrite the whole article with my own words, as it was said in the message. Just like everyone in Wikipedia, I'm trying to help. Thanks, again. Scheid2 (talk) 18:12, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Farouq Abdul-Aziz
Respected Sir,

Hope this massage finds you well. I have received massage that my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz has been deleted due to copyright infringement of http://bucaillelegacy.com/FarouqAbdulAziz.html)but sir the article on http://bucaillelegacy.com is also my own work.Moreover, Now I want to edit my article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz to make it more comprehansive but it says ' protected by administrators'

Kindly guide me what should i do to get the article back

Best Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mblegacy (talk • contribs) 08:36, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Mblegacy, we have tried to explain many times on your talk page what you need to do if you wish to donate that text. Please follow the instructions on WP:IOWN to release that text.  Please consider that once you donate the text, any other editor here can edit the wikipedia article on Farouq Abdul-Aziz.  Over time, it may change quite a bit from what you have on your website.  You could also re-write it from the start so that it doesn't resemble the text on your website at all, and that would remove the problem with the copyright violation.


 * Essentially, you saying that the text on that site is your own is not enough. We need proof in some fashion (explained at WP:IOWN) to protect the rights of the owner of that website.  I hope this is helpful to you.  Syrthiss (talk) 11:31, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Easy2Sync for Files
Hello Syrthiss. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Easy2Sync for Files, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to software. Thank you. A le_Jrb talk 11:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Its a fair cop. :) Syrthiss (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Mod My... LLC
I don't see why the Mod My... LLC page was deleted, it is simply an informational page about a company and its website. This is no different from the wikipedia page of Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, etc. I understand that you may think it is advertising, but if you read the content, you would see that it is not. If it was advertising, words like "please visit" or "best website" would've been used, and I would understand the deletion. The page was simply going to give a brief UNBIASED synopsis of the website, in which there was no possible advertisement in the description.

Jenki221 (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Mikos


 * Specifically, the article briefly mentioned your company and then linked only back to the company's own website. At first blush, that looks like advertising.  If you look at the pages for Facebook and Twitter, I believe you'll not only have a link back to their website but (1) credible assertions of notability and (2) reliable third party sources that back up those assertions.  If you can address those issues with your article, I'm sure we'd be happy to have an article on it.  Cheers. Syrthiss (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

PFW tournaments
Do you mind if I tag the accounts? I'm asking since you fully protected the pages.  E lockid  ( Talk ) 02:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, thats fine. I just didn't want the spammers to come back and populate them, as that seems to be their primary activity.  Thanks for checking. :) Syrthiss (talk) 11:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Farouq Abdul-Aziz
Respected Sir,

Hope this massage finds you well. I have received massage that my article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz has been deleted due to copyright infringement of http://bucaillelegacy.com/FarouqAbdulAziz.html. Now i want to completely re-write it from the start so that it doesn't resemble the text on website at all, and that would remove the problem with the copyright violation. Kindly guide me what should i do to edit the article because when i open it, it say this is protected and can only be edited by administrators. Kindly help me in this case. Best Regards.--adnan (talk) 06:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Mblegacy, I would recommend starting to write the article at User:Mblegacy/Farouq Abdul-Aziz.  When you have the article to a form that you are happy with, feel free to contact me or User:Alexf (the other admin who deleted the article the second time) and if we're in agreement that there are no copyright issues we can move it back into the main article location at Farouq Abdul-Aziz.  I hope this is helpful to you.  Syrthiss (talk) 11:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Black veil brides (band)
I found plenty of sources. Joe Chill (talk) 16:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sources don't help if it is indeed a copyright violation. I can't dig further to see if it is while I am at work. Syrthiss (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision of Deleted Article Farouq Abdul-Aziz
Dear sir,

according to your kind suggestions I have completely re-written the deleted article Farouq Abdul-Aziz & posted it to User:Mblegacy/Farouq Abdul-Aziz. Kindly review it and guide me how can I replace this article with the original Farouq Abdul-Aziz article.--adnan (talk) 09:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I would recommend reviewing Mblegacy's page it appears to be well within spec for Wikipedia. I don't notice any blatant copyright issues and the article appears to be fairly well written and organized. Drewerd (talk) 15:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean aside from unsourced information? Syrthiss (talk) 15:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That would be a problem *facepalm* I can't belive I didn't notice that. Drewerd (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, I would trim the article down to what I could verify and what is reliable but at this point the only thing I have confirmed reliably is Mr Farouq conducted an interview with Lynn Redgrave. I expect that much of the problem Mblegacy and we are having is due to language differences and the western world's west-centered reporting media.  I am betting there are reliable Arabic sources for Mr. Farouq's notability, but its hard to convey that to Mblegacy (and I don't speak Arabic). :( Syrthiss (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Florida Championship Wrestling
Hello,

Can you please unprotect the page Florida Championship Wrestling. As you can see in the discussion ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Florida_Championship_Wrestling ) the wiki users and FCW fans want all talents on the page. There is only one user who doesn't use a wiki account and never signs his posts who is against it. Please make a note in the discussion that the concensus is made and we take all talents from the talent page.

Thank you very much --Hixteilchen (talk) 03:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you don't have a very clear view of what a collaborative project is about. Consensus is not achieved, and I'll stop by that discussion in a second to let you all know what I think. Syrthiss (talk) 11:48, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision of the deleted artical farouq abdul-aziz
Dear sir,

according to your kind suggestions I have completely re-written the deleted article Farouq Abdul-Aziz & posted it to User:Mblegacy/Farouq Abdul-Aziz. Kindly review it and guide me how can I replace this article with the original Farouq Abdul-Aziz article.--adnan--adnan (talk) 12:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I'll go take a look. Syrthiss (talk) 12:03, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll reply here and then also cut and paste the same text to your talk page: Dear Mblegacy, I think the article has promise. Mr. Abdul-Aziz is clearly (to me) notable. The text is no longer a plagarism problem (at least to any of my searches). I believe the only significant obstacle is the lack of reliable sources. The BFI link clearly establishes Mr. Abdul-Aziz as the interviewer for that film but referencing the other bits of the article are very problematic. IMDB cannot be used as a reliable source in most cases, except perhaps to support a filmography. While I don't doubt the information on your http://bucaillelegacy.com/FarouqAbdulAziz.html site is accurate, I'm not sure we could say that it is a reliable source. We don't know the background on the information there. Are there any print books about him? Articles about him on major journalism sites? I couldn't find anything in a quick google search, but I understand it may be limited to western writing and not Arabic. Regards, Syrthiss (talk) 12:40, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Revision of Deleted artil " Farouq Abdul-Aziz"
Dear Sir,

Thanks a lot for your advice.

In her 1991 book Vanessa Redgrave; an Autobiography (Random House/New York) Vanessa talks, among other related incidents, about the circumstances that led to the production of her documentary with Farouq Abdul-Aziz.

There is an article on http://www.alaan.cc/pagedetails.asp?nid=37666&cid=33 about appointment of Farouk Abdulaziz, as adviser to the Kuwait Cinema Club but it is in Arabic.

Kindly advise me how can I transfer my article to main Farouq Abdul-Aziz article. best regards--adnan (talk) 07:35, 29 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I had looked at the alaan.cc site reference as well, using google translate, but I don't have a good feel for it being a reliable source for the same reason your site is not - we can't be sure of what procedures are used to make sure the information is valid. Certainly Vanessa Redgrave's book then confirms the information regarding Mr. Abdul-Aziz in connection to the interview.  No Arabic-language newspaper or press stories about Mr. Abdul-Aziz? Syrthiss (talk) 12:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Farouq Abdul-Aziz
Dear Sir, Regarding the reliability of alaan.cc I would like to inform you that Alaan online newspaper attracts the elite of readers as they tend to follow up with the latest news and events as they happen rather than to wait for the next day printed press.

ALAAN ONLINE NEWSPAPER has the highest traffic rate of users among all online newspapers in the country. Our visitors are increasing everyday from the middle east and 116 countries/territories. Visitors from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan alone constitute 27.10% of our site usage.Please check http://www.alaan.cc/advertise.asp

You can also check the statistics of alaan.com on http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alaan.cc.

interviews of Mr. Farouq have been published in many arabic and english newspapers like kuwait this month, Arab Times, Kuwait Times, Al Moharrer (The Editor) and n 1984 a Los Angeles Times article on Gulf finance and movie making by Jean Brody featured Farouq Abdul-Aziz highlighting his role in raising awareness about cinematic culture. Foreign radio interviews include Voice of America of Washington DC in July 1981 and Radio Orient of Paris in 2009.

Kindly guide me how to put my article back to main page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz. Best Regards--adnan (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision of Deleted Article Farouq Abdul-aziz
Dear Sir, Regarding the reliability of alaan.cc I would like to inform you that Alaan online newspaper attracts the elite of readers as they tend to follow up with the latest news and events as they happen rather than to wait for the next day printed press.

ALAAN ONLINE NEWSPAPER has the highest traffic rate of users among all online newspapers in the country. visitors are increasing everyday from the middle east and 116 countries/territories. Visitors from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan alone constitute 27.10% of site usage.Please check http://www.alaan.cc/advertise.asp

You can also check the statistics of alaan.com on http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alaan.cc.

interviews of Mr. Farouq have been published in many arabic and english newspapers like kuwait this month, Arab Times, Kuwait Times, Al Moharrer (The Editor) and n 1984 a Los Angeles Times article on Gulf finance and movie making by Jean Brody featured Farouq Abdul-Aziz highlighting his role in raising awareness about cinematic culture. Foreign radio interviews include Voice of America of Washington DC in July 1981 and Radio Orient of Paris in 2009.

Kindly guide me how to put my article back to main page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz. Best Regards--adnan (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mblegacy (talk • contribs)

Re: banned user?
I think he was banned, but in any case, see Sebastian-Gabriel Vanatoru: he's very persistent in posting the same article over and over. - Biruitorul Talk 16:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah I see. The new article was created under the name with the accents, so I couldn't see any previous history.  Going to nuke now.  Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 16:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The Vanatoru vandal is back. See here: and contribs by:  and  Please block. Thank you (Tennis Helper (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC))


 * Thanks, all are already blocked by NawlinWiki. Syrthiss (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

deletion of farouq abdul-aziz
Dear Sir, i have trying to contact you for a last one week. Kindly answer me as i want to solve the issue

Regarding the reliability of alaan.cc I would like to inform you that Alaan online newspaper attracts the elite of readers as they tend to follow up with the latest news and events as they happen rather than to wait for the next day printed press.

ALAAN ONLINE NEWSPAPER has the highest traffic rate of users among all online newspapers in the country. Our visitors are increasing everyday from the middle east and 116 countries/territories. Visitors from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan alone constitute 27.10% of our site usage.Please check http://www.alaan.cc/advertise.asp

You can also check the statistics of alaan.com on http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/alaan.cc.

interviews of Mr. Farouq have been published in many arabic and english newspapers like kuwait this month, Arab Times, Kuwait Times, Al Moharrer (The Editor) and n 1984 a Los Angeles Times article on Gulf finance and movie making by Jean Brody featured Farouq Abdul-Aziz highlighting his role in raising awareness about cinematic culture. Foreign radio interviews include Voice of America of Washington DC in July 1981 and Radio Orient of Paris in 2009.

Kindly guide me how to put my article back to main page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouq_Abdul-Aziz. Best Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mblegacy (talk • contribs) 07:14, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Mblegacy, I have told you what you need - links or directions to reliable sources (even in Arabic) that can support Mr. Farouq's notability.  When I say directions, I mean that for sources that don't appear online you can merely give the name of the newspaper story, date and year.  Specifically, if you say 'Mr. Farouq was awarded the X prize for journalism', we expect that there is a source that will show that indeed happened.  Despite the marketing speak above about Alaan.cc above, which I don't appreciate, if you want an opinion on whether it is a reliable source you should make an inquiry at the reliable sources noticeboard (or I can do that for you).


 * I am sorry that I missed your previous message. I only get a notice that things have changed on my talk page, and there were other comments that came in.  I am not trying to deliberately stall you or anything, but without you or another person who reads Arabic to spoon feed the sources I'm feeling we're at a standstill.  My searches for English sources haven't been successful. Syrthiss (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Farouq Abdul-Aziz
Dear sir, Thank you very much for your reply. my only aim behind describing alaan.cc was to prove it as a relible source.

Dear sir, can you make the changes in the article according to your requirements as i am failing to underatand what exactly you require?

should I delete the external links and refrences. Kindly guide me--62.215.93.124 (talk) 11:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear MBlegacy: I cannot make the changes, because as I say above I do not know Arabic and have been unable to confirm the English language references aside from the BBC one that you have on that page. In addition, I am not the one familiar with Mr. Farouq.  I tried just now to see if there was an Arabic-language project here to ask for assistance, but it looks like the last edit to their discussion page was in 2008.  I do not know how to further advise you at this point. Syrthiss (talk) 11:52, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for rollback
Can you check the request for rollback page please? Thanks CuteMice · Talk 14:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I did, and to put it politely: no. Not for a user who only registered the account today, despite having 'edited for a long time anonymously'.  I respect your privacy, so I'll not ask you to out whatever IPs you were using.  Also, if I can give you advice - doing what you are doing is called Forum Shopping.  As someone who has been around for a while, I would think you would have come across that term.  Please don't do it.  At best, its poor wikiquette.  At worst, its disruptive. Thanks! Syrthiss (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Syslog-ng store box
You have deleted Syslog-ng store box page, because of advertising. Please in this case delete all HP, CISCO and all other product page. My article did not contained more ad than those pages.... In addition from the income we earn on SSB we pay the development costs of syslog-ng which is a GPL software. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.92.22.190 (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I will get right on deleting those. Please review WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS while I go do that.  You have a very persuasive argument for it not being advertising (unsupported by any sources outside of yourself as it was) when you talk about financial aspects here. Syrthiss (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In this case, what I do not really understand is why you (i mean WP) let others to add articles like that? Are they more equal than me??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.92.22.190 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No, the difference between them and your company is that I could go and do a google search and find articles in The Wall Street Journal or other sources external to the companies that establish that the company is notable. To give an analogy: your article is about a software product that your company produces, not about the company itself.  We don't have an article on each router that Cisco produces unless that router is notable in some obscure way (quantum computing, perhaps) and that is established by sources outside of Cisco.  Does that help? Syrthiss (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision of Deleted Article Farouq Abdul Aziz
Dear sir

It mean that i can not recover my main article page. --94.129.178.99 (talk) 15:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't know
Sorry about that I didn't know. Thanks for the messsage wouldn't want to be wasting space on wikipedia Wiki id2  (talk)  13:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Tag
Hey I tagged these two accounts related to Dajudem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Golan_heights_is_not_occupied

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Golan_heights_is_our

Should I have tagged them related to the Stellarkid account instead? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No, I think that is fine. Its probably best to reference them back to the original sockmaster.  Also thanks for fixing those templates on Improvise.  I don't use them too much so didn't realize the User: bit would cause a problem. Syrthiss (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem. Why hasn't this confirmed sock been blocked? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:17, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, missed it since it wasn't listed in the original complaint and not linked. Syrthiss (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I saw you removed the socks edit here: but he also removed sourced information here: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As I am not familiar with the topic area and personally am very sketchy on using youtube as a source I'm not very comfortable reinstating your edit that he removed. Is there some kind of restriction on you or the topic area that prevents you from reinstating the edit?  It is covered under the same grounds, reverting edits of banned users, so I don't see why it would violate any kind of 1RR (especially considering it was several days ago).  The talkpage edit was another matter since that was an addition of material. Syrthiss (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Morphology
I just received a warning concerning:

his is the only warning you will receive regarding your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Syrthiss (talk) 12:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

You decided to delete the page, a page that is backed by a 180000+ followers. I was busy making the page accurate for everyone to see. Now a user > You, decides it's not correct. Now i want to know why. And place the removed page back to the index because you don't have any background information about Morphsuits.

Best Regards

CEO Morphsuits.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morph Man Morphsuits (talk • contribs) 12:58, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I see. Syrthiss (talk) 13:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Cliff Coenraad
Hello Syrthiss

I just created a page on Cliff Coenraad. This is a welknown Dutch Trance Dj Producer. SOmehow it keeps being deleted. I have no idea what im doing wrong. Maybe you can help out since its getting frustrating. Thanks a lot, Edith. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 12:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Keeps? I only see one version created today by you at Cliff coenraad, but I do see a version deleted back in May at Cliff Coenraad.  It looks like you have a combination of problems which I may or may not be able to help you with:

 
 * Both articles were deleted because of promotion (which is what I warned you about in my message when I deleted it). Specifically, the language used in the article was promotional ("one of a kind sound").  You need to state verifiable facts in a neutral tone.
 * Both articles were about a person with a questionable claim to notability per our guidelines for notable musicians or even our general notability guidelines. In Mr. Coenraad's case, I did a google search for his name and only found a single news item from a source of unknown reliability.  Since it was an award, that could indeed be a notable event but we would have to vet the source to make sure it wasn't just a publicity thing.
 * The Cliff Coenraad article had copyrighted material introduced to it with no assertion that the material was permitted to be used in that way. This is a greater reason to delete than any of the others if it was the single fault, but the material could be reverted and avoid the copyright issue.


 * I see that in the meantime you recreated the article, and I have since deleted it again and protected the page from re-creation. If you wish, you can try to create the article at User:Edithvermelis/Cliff Coenraad and address my issues above.  If you can create a neutral article, we would love to have it added to our encyclopedia.


 * Replying here, and copying this to your talk page in a sec. Syrthiss (talk) 12:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Syrthiss. Its very strange you could only find 1 google result on Cliff Coenraad!? Through google you can find lots of different info and accomplishments/releases, interviews, and many more references to Cliff Coenraad. you can also check the wikipages of Leon Bolier and Trance Energy for example. I could try to write the article a bit more neautral, but the fact about Cliff having a "one of a kind sound" was a quote by several well known djs like Marco V, Tiesto, and more.

Can you also tell me what kind of copyrighted material you mean? What else can I do to make this page work and get approved for wikipedia?

Thanks, Edith Vermelis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 12:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * 1 google news result. The other google results were from things like lastfm set lists (which indeed can establish notability, for regular radio play) and from fanpages.  We can't use our own pages as a reference because by definition we are a tertiary source.  As for him having a one of a kind sound, if you have a reliable source of those other DJs saying that then by all means include that in quotes and attribute that to them.  The copyright violation is from material quoted directly from his own page, at the original Cliff Coenraad. Syrthiss (talk) 13:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

We are all flabergasted for the 'one google result'. Problem is we got a lot of questions from promoters, colaborating Dj's and fans about why Cliff Coenraad isnt mentioned on Wikipedia? (Well he is mentioned, but there isnt a Cliff Coenraad page.) Creating one is proving to be extremely difficult. since Im not convinced I can apply to all the wiki regulations I will leave the creating for now and we can all get back to making music. Thanks again, Edith Vermelis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 13:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you represent Cliff Coenraad? At Wikipedia, in order to stay neutral, we all agree to avoid writing about subjects in which we have a conflict of interest.  Don't worry- if this person really is notable, it's inevitable that some of his many fans will use the available sources to write a good article about him, and you'll be able to concentrate on promoting him in other ways.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:27, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Im his number one fan. He is a good friend of mine. To be neutral I was asked to write the page. I have consulted him to check all mentioned releases and albums since its easier to get the info right from the source himself. Seems to me it was the most neutral article possible :) Im just no genius with computers and I am amazed how difficult this seems to be for a regular person. When i said that 'we' are all flabergasted about the 'one google result' I meant Cliff and several Wiki known producers who are working at the studio at the moment. It's becoming a nice joke here ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 13:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC) But thanks again, Ill leave the creating to someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 13:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologies to you Ms. Vermelis that you find our policies about saying verifiably true things and not being promotional too burdensome. Cheers. Syrthiss (talk) 13:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Ow come on Syrthiss, not everyone is a expert when it comes to computers. I did my best and invested my time. In the meanwhile Ive been nice and polite while asking for your assistance. Every part of the article was verifiable. So no need for the sarcasm. Wishing u a productive and good day, Ms. Vermelis —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I was reacting negatively to the 'becoming a nice joke here' bit about finding one google news hit for him. I appreciate that you spent time making the article, and I hope that until you started mocking me that I came across as being genuinely interested in helping you correct the errors without compromising the encyclopedia.  Considering that I have heard of Cliff Coenraad in real life, I'd still be interested in an article on him if you or another fan wished to create a page according to our guidelines.  Cheers. Syrthiss (talk) 14:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Im sorry Syrthiss, I really wasnt mocking you at all! But can you imagine what is going one at the studio when i told them there was only one single hit on Cliff Coenraad at google. Boys will be boys and they thought it was funny so started teasing him as a wannebe artist. I was just enjoying the humor and tried to share it with you. Thought it could make you smile so I shared it with you. no need to get defensive cause it was certainly no critisism to your google skills. If it seemed that way I'm very very sorry. Hope this clears the air, lots of greetings from all off us! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edithvermelis (talk • contribs) 14:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Not a problem, then. It was a misunderstanding.
 * Also, I have restored this text as it is not yours to blank. I am going to archive the page soon because it is getting too large, but I see no reason to have our good faith discussion blanked. Syrthiss (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)