User talk:T.Nuvolari

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January 2019
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July 2019
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to abuse alkpages to discuss your personal point of view, as you did at Wikipedia talk:No Nazis, you may be blocked from editing.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Alt-right troll of some sort. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * On the nosey!  Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:55, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

July 2019
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because it appears that you are not here to build an encyclopedia. If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page:.  Acroterion   (talk)   01:57, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Illegal Suggestions
Hello, T.Nuvolari,

You've written an interesting piece about your philosophical differences with Wikipedia, as you judge it to be, but it is not an unblock request that is likely to succeed. In fact, reading it over, I'm not even sure that you really want to be unblocked. So, first, you have to be sure that you want to be unblocked.

My own experience with Wikipedia is that any admin who would consider unblocking you wants to know that you won't become a disruptive source of disputes on Wikipedia. Admins fill their days with resolving problems among editors and they want to know that you are not here to right great wrongs. It's fine to want to see that articles are less biased but editors who have any political agendas are not welcome here to edit because 1) they tend not to write objectively and 2) they inevitably clash with editors who hold different points of view.

In sum, the Guide to appealing blocks will tell you what you need to know for writing a successful unblock request. I guess I would just end with the point that administrators here are not here to enforce a particular political point of view. Their aim is to reduce drama and conflict and I'm guessing that you were seen as an editor who sought that out, hence you were judged to be not here to build an encyclopedia. This opinion was not only based upon your actions but based on the experience of admins who have worked here for 18 years and seen many troublesome editors come and go. Good luck with your next unblock request. Know that unblock requests are not unlimited so put some thought into them. Liz Read! Talk! 03:58, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

As a very new editor, one thing you would not know is that there are various "spaces" in Wikipedia. The "article" that you came across is in fact not an article at all. It is an essay written by an editor here that makes observations about things that happen on Wikipedia. This is very different to an actual Wikipedia article. If you read the two links I have posted, that might clear things up. Blackmane (talk) 04:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the reply User:Liz.

The thing is I don't even know why nor understand why I was blocked. The reason provided refers to people that are actually editing and fiddling with articles. I have not done that. I posted a suggestion on a talk page today on how to improve an article and then for some reason I was blocked. I have not actually edited any articles on this site so I find it odd how I can be judged a bad editor if I have yet to actually edit anything. All I have been trying to do with my suggestions was to try and improve the accuracy and fairness of articles.

I deliberately did not make any edits myself to avoid this very issue because I am unfamiliar with how the editor system works and haven't got the time to spend in what by all accounts seems to be a very tedious process. I only existed to give suggestions for which others could maybe act upon. What you are saying though seems to suggest that I have been blocked for something that I may or may not do in the future. That is indeed quite a bizarre and scary legal concept, predicting future guilt. I guess should re-watch that film Minority Report.... T.Nuvolari (talk) 04:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the reply User:Blackmane. Ok thanks for the links I will read them. Are you saying that you are not allowed to make suggestions to "Essays" because that is all I did. If I had known that I would get blocked for a suggestion on an essay I would not have made it. T.Nuvolari (talk) 04:36, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Note: the WP:NONAZIS page is a project-space essay, not a mainspace Wikipedia article. Its topic is also nazism WP:POV-pushing and promotion on Wikipedia. There likely are other essays and policies against racism POV pushing in general and black supremacist POV pushing in articles is also not allowed. Relevant policies like WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE, WP:PROMOTION always apply in any case. An essay against the promotion of nazism on Wikipedia doesn't mean that racism by non-whites is acceptable. It is a reaction to a recently persistent problem. — Paleo Neonate  – 06:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Guys, this isn’t a good faith editor. Someone who as one of their first edits goes on an extensive commentary of SS uniforms and then follows that up on multiple talk pages saying we’re unfair to the alt and far-right is exactly the type of person WP:BLOCKNAZIS was aimed at. This isn’t someone who is going to be reformed into a model Wikipedian. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Ah I get it I made a comment in relation to an incorrect date on a photo by using the uniform he was wearing to correctly date it the and therefore i am a Nazi. Fantastic logic and you somehow you are an admin on this website? That is quite disturbing. It's clear from your own words I am being attacked for no other reason then my perceived political beliefs rather then any actual actions I have taken. Ironically I made the comment on the incorrect date-stamp on the photo after reading an article on the Einsatzgruppen in which that particular individual's name (among others) was mentioned, on the excellent website Axis History Forum. I guess that makes me extra Nazi for reading Holocaust related material?

Anyways I would like to remind our friend here TonyBallioni, that I have refrained from making any edits to articles only making helpful suggestions because I don't have time to deal with all that bureaucratic nonsense that comes with it, its better if some full time editor that knows what they are doing makes the changes. I read hundreds of articles a month on here and I have only felt compelled to make a suggestion on those which stood out for their impeccable bias. Unfortunately I didn't realize that even making mere suggestions (not actually editing anything) on a talk page on how to improve overtly biased articles (I don't understand how you can selectively only use one race to illustrate "racism" and not understand that is indeed biased and probably racist in itself) in good faith on this website can get you sent to the gulag.

As they say though you can't keep a good man down. I will be appealing this again as it's clear the allegations are politically based, frivolous, nonsensical and without merit. T.Nuvolari (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Note from blocking admin: you were blocked because you've done litle but troll talkpages  , culminating with the absurd notion that we need to be nice to Nazis  . We're not obligated to put up with that or to give you a forum for your views.   Acroterion   (talk)   01:24, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Acroterion, you have taken my point about Nazis and others out of context. My point was that in a supposedly neutral open encyclopedia that Wikipedia claims to be, users should not be judged on their actual political beliefs or their perceived political beliefs (as in my case because I knew too much about World War 2 German uniforms that obviously makes me a Nazi). If someone comes on here and declares that he is a Nazi or a Communist or some other extreme ideology but follows all the rules and makes valid contributions then what business is it of anyone's what his beliefs is, if he contributes correctly to the encyclopedia then he should be afforded the same rights as anyone else. After all the main things that matters in an encyclopedia is truth, facts and accuracy not what the skin color, ethnicity, religion gender or political belief of the contributor is correct? To do otherwise is basically to engage in discrimination. That was my point which you've completed missed. T.Nuvolari (talk) 04:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, a look at all of their contributions taken in total clearly shows them to be a pro-nazi troll only here to cause talk page disruption. They don't have a right to do that. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Talk page disruption? That's a new one. Posting a legitimate suggestion to improve the neutrality of an article is now "disruption"? Sorry to burst your bubble pal but not all people think the same.
 * TonyBallioni you keep allegedly I am "Nazi" based on what exactly? That I corrected the wrong date on a photo by using what the guy was wearing to correctly date it? The crime of knowing too much on an encyclopedia? The irony. That I suggested that an article on racism that only included people from one race to use as examples of racism was biased? Are you going to stand here and tell me that it was not biased?
 * I am not here to "cause talk page disruption" as you ridiculously claim without any proof. I am a very casual user (I haven't even made any edits yet) that has made suggestions on pages that I have come across in my readings with an overt bias on how to improve their neutrality. I have not edited the pages/articles themselves only given suggestions to improve them so that others may do so.

using W. as a soapbox
Recommend removing TPA. Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)