User talk:TBKarraker

Rocky Mountain Horse
Your changes are getting reverted because they don't back up what the sources used in the article say. For Wikipedia, we have to use only what second or third-party sources (for horses, breed books or magazines) have in them. The content also has to stick fairly close to what the sources say without being a copyright violation. The stuff you added about varied disciplines isn't in the sources; they only mention Rocky Mountain Horses being used mainly for trail riding and cattle work. Undoubtedly there are people who do other things with them, but not at the national or world level against other breeds, and Wikipedia can only say, "Horse breed Xxxx consistently wins or competes in the World Championship for Foo Riding, source: Horse Illustrated: Article Whatever, page 24". If we listed every single thing you could possibly do with a horse, it'd take too much server data to load the page. If you do have a source for something like this, then add it with the source, using the citation templates at the bottom of the article when you're in the edit mode. The article is at Good quality, meaning that it underwent review proving that it's neutral, completely sourced to reliable sources, broad in scope, and well written. That means that any edits that go against the policies are reverted. If you have any questions, please reply here or contact me on my talk/neigh page. White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:30, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia but not to Rocky Mountain Horses. I am the current President of the Rocky Mountain Horse Association and am more than willing to provide sources for the information I included. There are Rocky Mountain Horses who have competed in World level events in many of the disciplines I listed and they are used by many others who ride at lower levels of competition. Rocky Mountain Horses have participated in competitions in the National American Trail Riding Conference, the Extreme Cowboy Association, the Tevis (endurance competition), and several Mounted Shooting associations in the past few years. The variety of disciplines where Rockies are enjoyed is broadening rapidly and I had hoped to update Wikipedia to reflect that. What sort of sources do I need to provide to document these and other disciplines (jumping, team penning, sidesaddle, etc) where Rockies participate? Is the magazine published by the Rocky Mountain Horse Association an adequate source to reference? Can I reference the results published on the websites of the organizations where these horses compete? Some of the "facts" about the Rocky Mountain Horse that I provided are up dates based on information I have available due to my role with the Rocky Mountain Horse Association. What sort of source do I need to provide for this information? Can I reference information located on the RMHA website? There are several other problems that I have noted with the cited references, but I am not wise enough about Wikipedia to update these. The link for Reference #6 should go to http://imh.org/exhibits/online/rocky-mountain-horse rather than the current link. The link currently goes to a page that is not found on the International Museum of the Horse website. The link for Reference #11 should go to https://www.rmhorse.com/History%20of%20the%20Breed rather than the current link. The link currently goes to an undefined page on the RMHA website. Reference #12 refers to The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy information. This organization has changed its name to The Livestock Conservancy and the link should refer to the updated 2016 Conservation Priority Livestock Breeds list at this link http://imh.org/exhibits/online/rocky-mountain-horse I apologize for my clumsy attempt to update the information on this page. Some of the new links I noted above contain the updated information that I had included. I will work to learn how to edit these problems and cite the proper references correctly. One last thing, the European Rocky Mountain Horse Association doesn't exist anymore.

Thank you for your patience.


 * The now-dead links can be fixed by leaving the existing cite template in place and swapping the dead url for the working one; it's a lot easier than just replacing the entire citation. I can do that using the links you provided. I didn't know the European group had dissolved; maybe we can find a link to a video or something to replace it in the external links. About the Livestock Conservancy, I think the existing article will probably have to be moved to their new name and the name change covered/discussed there. I'm more familiar with the old name and undoubtedly a lot of other people are too, so we could probably say something like, "the Livestock Conservancy, formerly known as the American Livestock Breeds Conservancy, is..." in the RMH article. As for the different disciplines, you can cite the RMHA website and magazine to a point, but the biggest portion of the sources should be sources that are about the discipline, not the Rocky Mountain Horse specifically. (This helps prove they are significant in those disciplines more than the breed specific one would.) Like for jumping, you can cite a Practical Horseman article about a RMH jumping, and so on. The websites of the associations would also be OK for this. I can help update the article and help with other questions you might have.  White Arabian Filly  Neigh 22:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining and for your help with the updating. I will look for the sources for the other information.