User talk:TCO (renamed)

GOCE drive newsletter
Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 02:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

FA/GA research
Hi TCO, thanks for sharing the slidedeck with your analysis of GA/FA articles. Two suggestions: --DarTar (talk) 17:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * it would be useful to add your name or username (so your readers know how to contact you) and a date in the PDF
 * have you considered creating a project page on Meta so other people can easily discover your work?

I will fix the name and date per your direction.

Will you please create the project page for me? I was confused by the directions (sorry to ask for help). 69.255.27.249 (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, what title should I use? --DarTar (talk) 19:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Whatever you think best. I guess we want whatever works would help a serious researcher know what the topic is. "Underproduction of high quality high importance articles"?TCO (reviews needed)  19:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

The hurricane number of FA's was 110, FWIW :/ --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that was the flippant remark. I actually cut a lot of the TCO-ness in the presentation, but there are still a few things here and there.  Peace.69.255.27.249 (talk) 18:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Cross posting
Hi TCO & welcome back. I'm cross-posting my response from the FAC talkpage. A lot I agree with and have discussed elsewhere with others. I can find diffs if you want. But think about adding the two points below because I think they're important:

From FAC talkpage:
 * "I'm with Maria on this. I was a little taken back to myself dubbed a 'battleship' & thought, 'huh, I don't write about battleships'. Two things you missed: one is burn out. A year and a half after promotion I'm still fighting on the Ernest Hemingway talkpage - take a look at it, and the talk page for the Ernest Hemingway template (I'm purposely not linking). I brought Ezra Pound to FAC and it didn't go well, big page, hard to balance, but the biggest problem was that I had to bail because of an unexpected side-effect after routine eye-surgery (a four month migraine!) This brings me to the second point: Olivia Shakespear was an off-shoot of Ezra and I really never expected to bring it to FAC. Not important enough I thought. But here's the thing, aside from sleeping with Yeats as your summary says, she supported (financially) many modernist writers and artists - single handedly. So she's much more important in that respect as far as I'm concerned, but more important is that page is probably the best on the internet about her. The same with Edmund Evans an obscure Victorian printer who changed how children's books are made. Almost all the source material about him lives behind a pay-wall, but we have a nice page here, open to the public. Bottom line: how many people get burned out after working on Big Pages, and how many people are writing pages that are free, not behind paywalls, available on the internet. Even if on relatively obscure topics. Consider adding to you analysis. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)"

Take care and enjoy your turkey day. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Quite understood. Peace, fellow Steinbeck lover! TCO (reviews needed) 20:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * First Ezra, then Steinbeck. First East of Eden, my all-time favorite book, then the bio. Hopefully next summer. Truthkeeper (talk) 20:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back
You have redlinks to two deleted pages on your userpage. Do you want those restored?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:40, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, sir.RetiredUser12459780 (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The one I didn't undelete I couldn't find. Was there a deletion, or is this a planned essay?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The Rumsfeldian thing was planned...RetiredUser12459780 (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome back
Good to see you back. Wifione  Message 00:57, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi, Wifi.RetiredUser12459780 (talk) 01:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Success
Collaboration is the key to the projects success. However, when we are successful, some argue that it is due to collaboration. The bigger question for me; why have we been successful in obtaining and retaining collaborators? I truly do not know the answer. Only those that work with my students would know why they are compelled to lend a helping hand. If someone would investigate that component of such projects, maybe a guide for teachers could be developed. I don't think the answer is requiring teachers to become Wikipedia experts themselves. I'm living proof that is not the case. Thanks, your timing was impeccable. :) --JimmyButler (talk) 04:10, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You're a thoughtful guy and probably have a hunch to most of the answer. Kids are well behaved, have whole year, people do enjoy seeing young people start to acquire adult skills, you got in early with Malleus, your own personality, etc.  Collaborators are free agents.  You're fine.  I just think you need to do what is true and right.  I think you can get along fine with Sandy and move your kids through FA if an article comes up (there are alternate delegates).  I would not upset her, but at the same time, I don't think you should look for validation from one person.  Be open to learning from all, her, others, etc.  But make your own choices what you believe and don't get stressed about convincing someone with a hardened position.


 * Umm...and yeah your kids get a lot of help, but they are very sweet, too.RetiredUser12459780 (talk) 04:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Have we really been successful in retaining editors? --Sp33dyphil © • © 08:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
I totally support your views. BTW, see this. --Sp33dyphil © • © 10:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Improving Wikipedia’s important articles
Just read your paper; good stuff!

My views on the subject are here. I think this is something WMF should look at. (Obviously, since those are my views.....) heh! What do you think? Pesky ( talk  …stalk!) 10:20, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Great report, but the core article issue is somethhing I've been going on about for ages and not receiving any response from Jimbo or the foundation. See User talk:Jimbo Wales (excuse my the "article rants" part and tone at what is a terrific article but its very frustrating that I continue to be ignored on this issue). I want to implement a Core Article of the Month scheme in which a bank of Core articles are listed on a page and participants are given the opportunity to select an article and develop it and prizes are given at the end of the month after the best article improvement is decided by a panel of judges. I am very keen to move forward with this but I am countin on your support and that of others to make my voice heard as to Jimbo I think he thinks of me as a whining little boy. If somehow we can gather support on this then I think the foundation are more likely to listen. I have suggested something like a $500 Amazon Voucher for Best Article, $250 for 2nd, $100 for third, $50 for 4th and $25 for fifth or something and it works out at an annual $12,000 which I think could be reasonably raised to finance it or if not financial something of esteem or social/educational value. Personalyl I always think a financially based incentive would yield the best results..♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * thanks for the comments. I've heard a lot of interesting new ideas come up and glad to have the discussion. There is also some critism of the report.  I'm going to try to enjoy Thanksgiving so will respond tomorrow after the food coma wears off!  Basically, I like any plan that moves things forward (so having energy and being workable is the key thing).  Will read comments thoughtfully and then give FWIW response of anything it makes me think of.  Shalom.  RetiredUser12459780 (talk) 15:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination for C. A. Patrides
Hi TCO and buddies!

Please consider reviewing DYK nomination for C. A. Patrides!


 * ... that Constantinos A. Patrides, the author of Milton and the Christian Tradition, earned a medal for heroism for his boyhood service with the Greek Resistance against the German Occupation?

It has been through purgatory and my prayers and your good works may help it ascend.

Best regards, Kiefer .Wolfowitz 01:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)