User talk:TFOWR/Sandbox/Ethel MacDonald

Wow! You're researching one of my heroes! Need a hand? --Omar418 (talk) 23:18, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Always! Nothing in "my" userspace is mine and mine alone ;-) All of the real work in another sandbox of "mine" was done by another editor (that one's geographical - not political). But aye - definitely - help yourself! TFOWR 23:26, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm just worried about the border between trivia and important fact. I had a tiff with a pal demanding she was from Bellshill and I was arguing she wasn't and she was from Motherwell..and so it went on. would be good to write about the Bellshill anarchist stuff. Loving that golden age of Catalonia until the civil war. Usually argue that it comes from a harking back to Convivencia to annoy hardcore atheists. --Omar418 (talk) 23:36, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The Bellshill/Motherwell issue is interesting - I assumed that the "she's fae Bellshill" idea was an ancient myth from the Evening Times, but I bought "Homage to Caledonia" recently, and that's still promoting the idea. I've also got "An Anarchists Story" (Chris Dolan) which supports Motherwell - it has extensive interviews with her family, and even her birth certificate (which says "Motherwell"...) I'm not sure yet how we deal with this in the article - I suppose we need to say it's disputed... but I'm damn certain it's Motherwell ;-) The "Bellshill Girl Anarchist" strap-line is fairly well known, so I definitely think it should be mentioned, and that leads nicely into the "Bellshill/Motherwell" dispute.
 * I think the current article is quite weak on (a) her early life (pre-Spain), (b) her CNT broadcasts (particularly her world-wide fame...), (c) her multiple arrests, and (d) her later life. A and D are tricky - most sources write about her in Spain, but B and C should be easy enough to expand.
 * Incidentally, I'm in Glasgow, so I have fairly easy access to the Evening Times and the Mitchell Library, if that helps at all. (And I'm agnostic, so don't worry about annoying me ;-) TFOWR 23:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bit of a tangent, but one of the things I love about Wikipedia is how easy it is to learn new stuff - I've just read La Convivencia - something I know very little about. TFOWR 23:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm in glasgow too. don't worry about the religion I consider myself a muslim Atheist using a strong stretch of philosophy and I only make the reference when I know the person knows I'm getting a rise out of them. theres a good bit in the dolan book about Ethel's early life. A couple of chjapters. Should be okay to share some bits and bobs. Had a look and am a bit annoyed Stuart Christie's got more on him in this than Ethel and theres no anarchism tab on this! Things to do!Anyway bedtime --Omar418 (talk) 00:06, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I never worry about religion (I'm a Kiwi, so Glasgow's usual Catholic/Protestant nonsense washes over me...!)
 * I'm going to be away all next week, so feel free to play around in the sandbox here, ideally even push stuff over to the main article (I'm ever lazy, so if you can do stuff it means I can sit on my backside ;-)
 * Anyway - speak again when I return! TFOWR 00:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)