User talk:THEWISEOLDTURK

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Greece/Turkey relations
I really do not care. I call it as I see it. I'd have done the same thing if I saw a Greek editor (or what I presumed to be a Greek editor) making questionable changes. Whatever biases are there now, were not written bu me, but I would not trust either a Greek nor a Turkish editor to fix it. All I do is try to prevent insertion of further bias. Quite honestly, I do not see why you guys (Greeks and Turks) cannot be content spreading your points of view on the Wikipedia pages in your own respective languages.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, on second thought, perhaps I should care. I actually thought that it seemed a bit slanted towards the Greek side as written, but I have no idea when that was put in there nor who put it there. And replacing it with the opposite bias doesn't help things either. I just try to prevent further biases (two wrongs don't make a right). So far as there being a Greek source there, quite honestly, I wouldn't trust either a Greek nor a Turkish source to tell the whole story because I am well aware of the historical animosity between you Turks and the Greeks. Of course, then again, many American and western European news sources could care less about events in the Aegean sea area because they'd rather publish stories on celebrities and stupid crap like that.
 * If you want to revert it, fine. At least there's a source, even if it is a biased one (I would treat a Greek embassy source the same way - both have agendas). In addition, I would not object if you wish to add a "dead link" tag or simply remove the citation for the Greek source, since the link is dead/inaccessible.
 * Furthermore, as to you being neutral or not, Looking at your brief edit history, I really don't see anything to indicate that you were acting in bad faith. So, I apologize for my kneejerk reaction in presuming bad faith (just a general reaction on my part in editing on sensitive issues like this).--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:33, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

All right; I might have added a view which to some may be biased. However, the previous version was definitely biased and citing no reliable, neutral, and available references and needed to be edited anyway. Therefore, in order to eliminate this mistake without causing further conflict, I have re-edited the whole sub-entry deleting the "who is to blame?" part; although this new version does not tell the whole story, no one can suggest it to being biased in anyway. In the meantime, I'll try to get hold of written permission/approval for the video footage I had mentioned about; if and when I can get it, I'll upload it and add a reference link to the entry accordingly. Regards. THEWISEOLDTURK (talk) 10:55, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I saw the edit a few minutes ago. I think that for now, it was best to remove the part inferring whose fault it was. A verifiable video of said event, or a third-party source would best to verify whose F-16 caused the crash.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 11:08, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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Cedid Atlas
Hey there... good article. The second part of my comment was actually for the next reviewer. I have been doing more editing than reviewing lately as my time is limited this week. The next reviewer will review the article in more detail, i.e., links, etc. It will be a valuable contribution. ''Cheers! Stella'' BATPHONE GROOVES  23:58, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Hello, Turk! Please add more wikilinks to your article. thank you for your very interesting and valuable contribution. Also, please review the article one more time and take care to be 'NEUTRAL with all of the content. Cheers! Stella BATPHONE GROOVES  02:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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