User talk:TP kelli

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Your comment at WP:EAR
I replied to a comment of yours at WP:EAR. Along the way I read your user page and thought another comment might be helpful. You say that your goal is to correct factual inaccuracies. Wikipedia's policy on verifiability says this: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed." So just remember that it is not enough for a statement to be true to be retained or be false to be deleted. What's important is that a statement must be verifiable by independent sources. If a statement is well-sourced but you know it to be false you still do not have grounds for deleting it. Conversely, even if you know a statement to be true, you must reference a verifiable source or the statement may be deleted. That said, I wish you welcome to Wikipedia and please know that there are many editors willing to help. Sbowers3 23:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Clarke
You did a good job creating articles in your sandbox, then inviting comment before creating them in "mainspace". I am not an expert on notability but my first take is that Jeff Clarke satisfies the notability and verifiability criteria. I note two small problems: your reference to Orbitz does not work and the reference about you-tour just goes to Newseek's main page, not to a specific article.

My first take is that the Gordon Wilson article does not satisfy notability. The key to both articles is references to reliable sources to establish the subject's notability. You have (IMO) enough references for Jeff Clarke, not enough for Gordon Wilson.

Again, I am not an expert so I'll be interested to see the opinions of other editors. But I'd say that you have made a better start than many other new articles. Sbowers3 16:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your quick response and help. I'll make the Jeff Clarke changes you mentioned, and I'll dig up some additional references for the Gordon Wilson one.  Thanks a lot.  I appreciate your help.  TP kelli 16:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Clarke‎ / Gordon Wilson‎
I have been notified by TerriersFan that you are working on updates to these articles. To avoid any wasted effort, it was suggested that we coordinate with each other. My Jeff Clarke article is probably ready for prime time, and I will ask both of you to review before a move to mainspace. I haven't progressed as far with Gordon Wilson. I would like to suggest that we be extremely careful to avoid any charges of WP:COI that may arise in these articles. Every claim in the User:Alansohn/Jeff Clarke (CEO) article has been reviewed and verified, and new and revised sources have been added. Alansohn 17:22, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The User:Alansohn/Jeff Clarke (CEO) article looks really good. Well done!  I noticed two of the reference links didn't work (reference #3 and #7 #4 and #8), so I went ahead and updated those.  Additionally, I added one more reference to the entry: there was a cover story in BusinessWeek this past month on Jeff Clarke that supports much of the material in this entry, which I thought was quite pertinent.   I think it looks good to move into the mainspace. TP kelli (talk) 16:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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