User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 10

MUSTARD Tags
Hi, I'm new to creating Wikipedia pages. I recently created two pages (Real Life (Evermore album) and Dreams (Evermore album). You tagged one with a Notability cleanup tag and the other with a Reference cleanup tag. I have now added more information and added references and I think that they are now cleaned up. My question is can I remove the Mustard tags, or does some higher power (eg. you) have to? Thank you kollision 10:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Master Musicians of Joujouka
Hi I must add something to the changing of the name of the masters page. the touring group and the new Cds are coming out under the name Master Musicians of Joujouka. The only group the has used Jajouka is "The Master Musicians of Jajouka featuring Bachir Attar" The Attar family are one of two main families in Jioujouka. Bachir is essentially a solo artist now his cousins and the other village musicians are represented by the name that Mohamed Hamri gave them as an English spelling.

I suggest either, use both names with Joujouka first or just the Joujouka spelling and set up a seperate entry for "The Master Musicians of Jajouka featuring Bachir Attar" http://joujouka.net/3Joujouka-published/ link to 1973 article by William Burroughs note spelling Joujouka. best frank opiumjones 23 11:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

About Newari music
Thanks for your interest in Newari music. I am a Newar and play some of the music myself. Most of the knowledge that I have acquired is through the seniors and people of "guthi"s or organizations that maintain the Newari music tradition. There is some mention about Newari music at www.jwajalapa.com, but I have not come across much citable published materials. In case you find my edit unreliable, please feel free to remove it. Thank you. -Eukesh, 22:55, 4 June 2006

Potential Musical Edit War, Your Help Requested
Hello, TUF-KAT. I am looking for some help with concensus on a musical issue and am inviting you to participate. Rather than prejudice your thinking, i will simply say that it involves a song by David Allan Coe called Nigger Fucker. In order to understand the flow of events, i suggest that you go the history of the page, and read through the revisions in date order (there are not an overhwleming number), then go to the talk page. Basically, there is a conflict between those who feel it is valuable to note what the song is about and those who wiish to "clean it up" to the point that there is no mention of the controversy between satire versus racism. Things became very heated when Shel Silverstein's name was dragged into it (why? Go figure...) and there is a user who is bsically reverting the article to a stub every few hours. I have never been in this sort of a conflict before, and i want to do what is right. I am not looking for people on "my side," just for people who have experience editing music pages who can bring some calmth to the situation. Thanks for looking it over, if you have time, and, if not, thanks for at least allowing me to ask for help. Catherineyronwode 00:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Saints Wikiproject
I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints. You can sign up on the page and add the following userbox to your user page.

Thanks! --evrik 18:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Alpha Phi Alpha
The quote boxes have been removed as you observed.. A small favor, could you strike thru "Oppose" and add "Support". I just don't want confusion with someone still seeing oppose. Thanks for you input and support. Ccson 03:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Dubious addition
Would youmind having a look at this? It reeks of copyvio to me. Circeus 14:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Salsa music
New user has been complaining (first as, no doubt) about bias in Salsa music and posting comments in the page despite constant revert. I've left him a note at his talk page, but since you were the main contributor to push the article to featured status, I thought you would probably be more competent than me to adress his content concerns. Circeus 04:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Classical singers and performers
I'm having a kind of hard time trying to find the most appropriate place to put all the requested operatic and concert performers. The classical section isn't very big and not very well defined. Williamb 01:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Chalchiuhtlatonal
Regarding an article you created in 2002, Chalchiuhtlatonal... I'd like to nominate it for deletion on the grounds of an inability to satisfy WP:V. The article has existed for 4 years a stub and not a single substantial edit has been made to it.

I'd really like to find some info on "Chalchiuhtlatonal" but so far my searches in Google have proved fruitless. The first 7 pages are all wikipedia clones and a few personal webpages with the exact same wording as the article. My first instinct was a long-running hoax, but your an established editor so I doubt that's the case.

Anyway... any help verifying would be appreciated. ---J.S (t|c) 21:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If you don't mind me butting in, I found references for a character named châlchiuhtlatônac, a name associated with châlchiuhtlicue or châlchihuitl îcue, which seems to be the proper name of the aztec water goddess. Châlchiuhtlatônac is apparently the aspect that presidesover first births. Circeus 23:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to but in all you want! TUF, it looks like that the article at the encyclipedia dramatica is based on the wikipedia article.  That "article" (and I use the word loosely) was created 3 years post the wikipedia article and has exactly the same info. :(  Can we find something better? Circeus's sources have potential... but we need to find something in English. ---J.S (t|c) 07:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I must have misread that. Sorry.  According to WP:RS non-English are to be avoided... if possible.  I can't even look at to see if it's talking about the same thing. ---J.S (t|c) 03:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

"Music of"s
No prob, I had already removed quite a few while implementing the footers and stuff. Besides, it gave me an excuse to finally move some of these footers in their proper location. Circeus 17:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:TupacShakur.jpeg)
Thanks for uploading Image:TupacShakur.jpeg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that your image can be used under a fair use license. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If your image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why your image was deleted. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Jusjih 17:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

A favour
Hey there, TUF-KAT. Could you do do me a favour? I notice that you have been doing some good work on FAC, and I was wondering if you would take a quick look at "We Belong Together". It has failed a couple of FACs, and I think that it may be ready soon. However, I want to make sure that it will succeed this time, and currently, Peer Review isn't that much help. It would be appreciated. Thanx. Oran  e    (t)   (c)   (e)  03:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Albums, bands, and songs
Thanks for your interpretation of the WikiProject Music guideline. It hadn't occurred to me that it might matter whether mc chris was notable for non-musical reasons. Tim Ivorson 2006-05-26

Music of Dominica
Dear Tuf, I noticed you re-added Music of Dominica to the GA nominations page, after it just been failed. If you hadn't noticed it had been failed (or the talk page wasn't updated yet) then that can be appreciated and the nomination will be removed. If you disagree with the reviewer's decision, instead of re-nominating the article, please state your case at Good articles/Disputes, a place to argue the decision of reviewers. Thank you, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 14:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Apologies, nominations aren't normally straightened out so quickly. ; ) It's been re-added to the GA nominations page now. Good luck, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * You like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, at least you're stuck at home with great taste. ; ) H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 15:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured Music Project/Status
I guess the page is no longer really being used, but I wanted to get your feedback on an article. Could I add Alizée to the page? Cheers, jaco ♫ plane  01:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Your AfD for Over to You Now
It seems you forgot the third step of Articles_for_deletion for Articles for deletion/Over to You Now. I did this, and the AfD is now listed at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_31. Deleteme42 01:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Question about deletion
You removed a link I created to an online magazine that reviews blues music. I was chided in a private (I think) message for linking to a commercial or private site. However, the links I provided were neither commercial nor private; Rambles.NET is an international review magazine with more than 200 people on its staff and over 9,000 reviews in its database. It's my belief that people interested in the blues might benefit from these reviews. I was hoping for a better understanding of why the link was deleted.

Thanks.

Music of the United States
Just responding to you message. I certainly I mean no harm when editing the page, and while I admit my first edit was too severe, my second edit has just cause. The sentence in question states "Alternative styles include post-punk and Gothic rock" First off, this particular sentence is not cited. The one after it is, but that does not necessarily include this sentence as part of the cited material. Post-punk is classified as a subgenre of punk rock, most clearly evidenced on Allmusic.com. For a more specific source, Simon Reynolds' book Rip It Up and Start Again: Post-Punk 1978-1984, which is devoted to the genre, only mentions alternative rock in the afterword, as the genre's successor. Gothic rock is classified as alternative rock, certainly, but its roots and popularity were predominately British, with Christian Death being the only major American band (even then often instead being categorized as deathrock, a punk subgenre). Since this is an article on American music, its mention does not pertain to the topic. A better choice would be indie rock, of which definite strains and notable bands developed out of the American underground scene.

The main problem with this sentence was that it was pretty much copied from an earlier version of the alternative rock page before that page was corrected; in fact, a lot of the genre descriptions are duplicated from the individual pages, such as the one for Heavy metal music. Since the sentence mainly serves to offer examples of the form the genre takes, we could theoretically list any number of articles on Wikipedia without a citation, because we are linking within Wikipedia.

There are other smaller problems in the article that need to be tweaked. For example, grunge is never called grunge music; it's only called that on Wikipedia for disambiguation purposes. Also, we discussed the thrash metal influence on the grunge talk page, ultimately determining it was incorrect; the writings of Michael Azerrad, books such as Ian Christe's Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal, and interviews with the bands themselves clearly establish the grunge bands were influenced by traditional metal and hard rock bands like Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Aerosmith, not thrash. And the sentence "The large recording companies operate their own music festivals, such as Lollapalooza and Ozzfest" sounds incorrect; there's nothing on the pages to indicate these are run by labels. WesleyDodds 06:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Well I got here by too much curiosity and nothing to do, so I got here. And have to say, with out a quote I certainly know alternative included those genres. It all comes from punk and college rock. Everybody knows alternative music gets its name from not being coined, from the records selled on stores as "alternative rock", meaning "all those other kinds of rock we don't have a name for". It included almost all kind of music from bands getting the spirit, rap (cypress hill), metal (Faith no more), folk, punk (Green Day) and all kind of combinations. For example, while being grunge, Nirvana and Soundgarden liked and the last even covered Devo, a New Wave band; Melon Blind had Guns n roses influences; Beck, Beastie Boys, the RHCP and Faith Nomore and even Mudhoney (when jamming with sirmixalot) mixed the genre with hip hop. Grunge for example is a genre, but Nirvana, PJ, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, Tad and Melvins are widely different with 180° different influences (with usual commong grounds: Neil Young, Sabbath, the stooges and AC/DC, and agree, no trash). I also agree about the shows thing, even more, Ozzfest isn't that alternative at all.--T-man, the wise 04:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Foreign terms in Music encyclopedia topics
I'm involved in a dispute at Talk:Cadence (music) regarding the inclusion of foreign translations that appear in the WikiProject list. My understanding is that once a redirect is made, the foreign name should be mentioned so people know why they were redirected there. You seem to do the most work on the topics list and have been around a while, so I thought you might know if there's a specific policy or how it's been addressed elsewhere (there are a lot of them on the list) and help resolve the dispute. Rigadoun 18:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Template:Jamaicanmusic
I'm wndering why you moved Dominica and Saint Lucia out of "Anglophone Caribbeans". Both have English for official language, and one is even still a Commonwealth Realm... Circeus 00:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've made minor adjustments to the template to take that into acount. Circeus 04:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Request
It was suggested by Tony1 here that I request for your assistance for copy-editing the "Music and structure" portion of We Belong Together, since, as noted by him, you appear to be an expert in this field. He also pointed out that you could locate some copy-editors to tidy the prose in certain areas that are not related to the musical section. Could you please help? It would be appreciated! The article is currently listed at FAC under Featured article candidates/We Belong Together. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 12:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out. If you have any further time available, could you please suggest some copy-editors who could help to tidy the prose? (I've rewritten the article so many times that at this point I can't really tell what's wrong with it.) Thank you. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 16:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello? &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 21:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

All right, thank you very much. Sorry for sending you so many messages. &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Spouge
I duplicated there the content of Music of Barbados. Just to let you know. Circeus 14:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Nothing much
Hello, again. From Jeffmatt 06:02, 7 June 2006 (UTC). I have been away for a while. I see that you have checked on the Music of Italy article. It looks pretty good. Ready for prime time? I note the empty spot for jazz in the template. I might be able to do that. Does such a vacant link necessarily disqualify an article from featured status? Oh, and thank you for looking at the Roman music article. Cheers from Naples.

User:TUF-KAT/Topics by country
I've noticed your large table on User:TUF-KAT/Topics by country and I must say I really like it. I already fixed something on the page, and if you don't object, I'd be glad to improve it further. If you wish to respond, you can do so on my talk page. — THIS IS M ESSED OCKER  (TALK) 19:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Favorite Songs
My survey has changed. I am now continuing my mission for the best songs, but now I am accepting all genres. I'm giving you a chance to revote for your top ten favorite songs of any genres (not just classic rock which is still the best). I've made a executive decision to keep the existing survey results and just add on to that with the new entries. My feeling for doing this is because classic rock is the most influential genre in music currently so it should be expressed more in the survey. Thank you for contributing in the past, and hopefully in the future. ROCK ON. RENTASTRAWBERRY  FOR LET?   röck  03:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Music of Italy 2
Thanks for the note. I'll work on a better lead over the next few days and see what happens. Jeffmatt 06:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

and Music of Italy 3
Hello, again. I tried a new lead on the Music of Italy. I think it conforms--at least more than the old one--to the Wiki guidelines. Little by little, maybe we'll get there. Cheers. Jeffmatt 08:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC) p.s. I know, I know, you want me to give up my love affair with bullet lists!

Hey, I'll be very pleased to expand and fix Music of Italy, it misses a list of jazz musicians, for example. I am going to do it in 4 or 5 days, Brian W 13:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Question
Sorry, but why did you revert my edits? The template added had the article Rai on it...so either the articles should include the template or the template shouldnt include the article. --Osbus 17:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then take it off the template. --Osbus 17:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Personal harrassment
hey Tuf-Kat, your help is needed: Limowreck is harrassing me in various manners, please give a look at his/her recent edits. Also, I suspect that 157.193.214.17 and 84.193.167.210 are sock puppets of him/her. The article Kosmische musik has been vandalized by this ip address. Brian W 13:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not harassing you, I don't use sockpuppets, I have to many edits and problems with previous users using sockpuppets to try things like that. I don't see why I'm harassing you, I only try reasing or warning no to use wikipedia for your own POV definitions of different musical genres or styles. Esp. on modern dance music, you feel the need to remove things you don't like... I don't care about those genres either, but that's no reason to remove popular and actual usage of wordings and genres just because you don't like them. I'm not the only one you seem to have problems with... many people tried, eg. User:mjb tried reasoning with you on Talk:Club_music, but it doesn't really seem to work. Yesterday, you left a message to me, User_talk:Wickethewok, and others, but none of use understand what you're talking about. Try looking at yourself instead of blaming others...  and using other peoples talk pages for incomprehensible accusations --LimoWreck 14:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

In other words, I assert that some people are trying to advocate the use of drugs, reverting the history of music from 1978 onward. That's all. Brian W 14:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Tuf-Kat, I'm tired. I do not care at all. None cares of these underground genres. Old Electronic music and New Age fans do not need and do not use Wikipedia as primary source. New "electronic music" fans, simply ignore or really can't understand differences and proper analogies between genres. So, ther is no point to fill this gap. Though there are thousands people sharing my "point of view", there is no way to involve them in a "battle" against younger Wikiusers. Feel free to do what you want. Wikipedia is only a stupid game, I'm no longer interested in contributing on these topics. Usually, users that remove dispute templates are immediately banned, but these harrassers aren't yet. Maybe Wikipedia is theirs and none else has to touch their toy. Enjoy it. I'll not post anything else on music genres. Bye. Brian W 16:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for Les Gentlemen Nomination
I would like to apologize for the Les_Gentlemen nomination for deletion. It appears I have mistaken it for another band. I have withdrawn my nomination and will remove the tag from the page. Please accept my sincerest apologies. Regards, --Auger Martel 15:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Question about deletion
Question about deletion

You removed a link I created to an online textbook related to Traditional Music to the Southern Philippines. It's used as a textbook for kulintang students at San Francisco State University and Skyline College. I dunno if you thought it was a blog (it is a blogspot.com site) but the lefthand sidebar is the entire textbook with information and pictures of instruments placed into categories. I'm not sure what exactly is the criteria behind what is allowed as an external link but I believe that the volume of information alone on that left sidebar is sufficient for those looking for a better and in depth look into Southern Philippine Musical Culture.

I'm putting it up again but if you could give be a better idea why it should be there, please tell me.

Thanks.

Request
Hello! I just added a "Music and structure" section to Cool (song). I was hoping that you could take a look at the content and correct any factually incorrect information, or something that is purely wrong. It would be incredibly appreciated! Thank you! &mdash;Eternal Equinox | talk 22:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Smashing Pumpkins
I want to ask you if you could give The Smashing Pumpkins a look and provide feedback at Peer review/The Smashing Pumpkins/archive1. We've been trying to mold this into Featured Article material and precise feedback would be much appreciated. Also, given our discussion at Music of the United States, I was wondering if you could add any relevant citations to alternative rock from the sources you used there. Thanks. WesleyDodds 09:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Alison Krauss
I've responded to your complaints on Alison Krauss, please let me know what I can do! Thanks! Staxringold talkcontribs 16:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you please respond to the FAC of Alison Krauss? I believe all of your issues have been addressed. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

mustard
Love the title. I'll take a look later (it does need a copy-edit/massage). I wonder whether it could be a little more ... nurturing and positive, by avoiding the term "enforce" at the top? Tony 09:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

From Sea to Shining Sea
Hey there, I noticed you tagged a stub I started recently (on a Johnny Cash album entitled From Sea to Shining Sea) with a References cleanup tag. A few minutes ago, I added a References section and a link to Luma Electronic, which lists the singer's albums and the chart positions the singles from each album reached. I was wondering if this is enough to remove the tag; if not, I'd be grateful if you specified which part(s) of the article require additional references. Thanks in advance ;). Cromag 22:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing the tag. The two producers are in fact listed on the album's individual page on that site, my only hope is that their information is correct :). Thanks again for the quick response. Cromag 09:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Deuce
I revised Deuce (song). So remove the cleanup tag. I'd do it myself, but apparently the rules here are different for different people and I'm not a sacred cow and I don't want to piss off the admins. I like this place, but I don't like the fascistic control. GeorgeC 16:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Louisiana/New Orleans blues
Sorry I misunderstood the scope of the World project, but you did tag the Cajun music article which led me to believe that other Louisiana rooted music would apply.Aaron charles 21:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)