User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 11

Alison Krauss
I've responded again. My question is whether or not there are actual sentences in the article that are driving your issue with the reference quality or just a preference. I ask because if it's a preference ok, but it's not a policy, and if you have actual issues just make them clear and I will further reference the statement. The internet does not inherantly make a source "worse". Staxringold talkcontribs 02:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Further updated. Staxringold talkcontribs 03:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Classical music
Hi there, I am writing you because you were one of the contributors to the discussion last year about moving Classical music to European classical music. Well, the decision to do that did not have great effects - it has created a lot of confusion. Specifically, people editing articles that contain references are almost exclusively using the link classical music, which of course leads to a disambig page. They literally always mean European classical music in their context. So, it is creating a nightmare for us folks at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links, where Classical music remains the number one offender as far as the number of articles that link to a disambig page. Which shouldn't happen. I think the crux of the issue is that English-language editors think "classical music" and they know what they mean - and we are trying to tell them that they really mean something else.

(Deep breath) So, we need to try to solve this issue. My inclination is to move European classical music back to Classical music, and then move the disambig page to Classical music (disambiguation), which currently just redirects to Classical music. What do you think? -- Aguerriero  ( talk ) 20:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response! And frankly, that is my point exactly.  There is only ambiguity for a sliver of a percentage of English-language Wikipedians.  Almost everyone who says or writes "classical music" means... the thing you moved to European classical music.  So in effect, you created more ambiguity than existed before.  Make sense? --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 22:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It has been brought up at Talk:Classical music. There is a whole new set of editors wrestling with this, most of whom have come in from WP:DPL after seeing the breadth of the problem.  I do see your point as well, Tuf-Kat, but I think we may discover that we can obtain a consensus around returning to the previous state of things.  I guess we have to ask ourselves - If you asked a 100 English-language editors to define or cite an example of classical music, how many would come up with "Beethoven" and how many would come up with "Karnataka Sangeeth"? 99-1? So in essense the question is, how do we define "potentially confusing"? A 1% chance of being confusing? In my humble opinion, no. --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 14:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So, it looks like the majority of editors agreed with my proposition. However, I'm really torn because I feel that you offered very thought-provoking reasons not to move the page back. Add to the sitation that someone's bot recently went through and fixed just about every disambig, so that is no longer an issue. I am willing to concede that perhaps the need to be precise trumps usability issues in this case.  Sigh.. that being said, is there a diplomatic way to close this out without my coming across as completely daft? --  Aguerriero  ( talk ) 21:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

About the article Legionnaires' disease
Regarding your comment on the Talk:Legionnaires' disease: "I think it is public domain. See here, which I think applies to the source to this article. Tokerboy".

Tokerboy, with all due respect, I think you should be made aware that Wikipedia has had two existing articles for quite a while named Legionella and Legionellosis. The author of the new article Legionnaires' disease is User:Noigel2000. Noigel got tired of having his edits to the two existing articles corrected and of being admonished for some of them. So he wrote his own article which is based entirely on the multitude of pages on his own Internet website.

Here are two of the pages on his website: and

Here is his self-introduction from his User talk:Noigel2000 page: "Who am I or what am I. Some call me a Legioneela Advocate, Others a Legionella Nut or Legionella Fan some stronger than that." He obviously doesn't believe in using Wikipedias style guidelines which is quite evident in his new article. - mbeychok 16:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposal on Notability
Because you're a member of the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians, I'm notifying you that the inclusionist proposa Non-notabilityl is in progress to define the role of notability in articles. Please help us make this successful! Also note the proposal Importance is a deletionist proposla that seeks to officially introduce notabiltiy for the first time. --Ephilei 04:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Italian music terminology
Hello, again. I added the info box to your list. If you don't have the time to alphabetize it (according to our discussion), I'll do it. Jeffmatt 07:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Dylan Eil Ton
[Moved to Talk:Dylan Eil Ton]

You added "sea in Welsh" to this article. Sea doesn't sound like a Welsh word. Maybe you meant Dylan Eil Ton is sea in English but that clearly isn't true either. I'm confused. Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 18:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. The encyclopedia you linked to says that Dylan means sea but the other sources I've found don't mention this or say it is a misapprehension.  The only word for sea in Welsh dictionaries I can find is the common modern word, môr; gweilgi, and aig.  I suspect someone just thought it meant sea because it is part of the name of the sea god, so I'm going to remove it.
 * Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 18:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it says on Dylan that it comes from dy (great) and llanw (sea but dictionaries, even two early Welsh ones, suggest it means tide), and this is supported by other sources, and makes sense, so I'll change it to great tide.
 * Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 18:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand Music
Your picture on the New Zealand music page was posed for by our local museum some time ago. They are not musical performers whatsoever. Just thought I'd let you know... Cicadaboy 02:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help
Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, www.xkkk.org. Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history.

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Here are some links that might help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wade_Watts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheKingOfDixie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Colorblind

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Threeafterthree

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Potters_house

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Antaeus_Feldspar

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alabamaboy

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=prev&oldid=65690238

then

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=next&oldid=65690238

Also note his contributions: Featured articles: ·	African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. ·	Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edit. Potters house 00:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

Culture in NYC
Hi Tuf Kat - I saw your contributions to the great Music of New York City article. We could use your help on the more general Culture of New York City article. It needs lots of revising and fleshing out. If you get a chance, check it out. Wv235 22:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

re Music of Italy
Re the terminology list. My pleasure to help out.

You made some substantial changes to the section on popular music. Some of it is inaccurate, though. If the Garland encylopedia says that "Composers like [such as] Francesco Paolo Tosti and Gaetano Donizetti popularized Neapolitan songs, both within Italy and abroad..." then it's dead wrong. Those two had little to do with the popularization of the music, with the exception of a single song by Donizetti, popular in Italy but not abroad. Maybe there's ome ny Tosti. The great popularization abroad was coincident with emigration after 1870 as well as the influence of the singer, Enrico Caruso. There may now be a few other things that require some attention, as well. I think I liked the section better the way it was.

Re your:

"I think three main things still need to be done..."

Create a section for musicology, historiography and the like. (Music of the United States has one, as an example)


 * Is that the section called Scholarship? Yes, that is possible to do.

"Upload sound samples (which I can make a good start on without difficulty)"


 * I have never tried that but I can learn, I guess.

"Move the very nice history section to its own article. Some of the most important stuff from there ought to be incorporated into the classical section. I think the history section should be moved because it is very long (and the article itself is very long) and all the most relevant historical facts should also be in a different section anyway (making it redundant)."


 * It is very long, yes, and in the words of the contributer who recently put that fine stuff up about early music, it makes the article "lopsided". He might be able to edit it. Re "Some of the most important stuff from there ought to be incorporated into the classical section." Probably true, but that was the way the article started out some months ago--that is, the Classical and History sections were sort of one and the same (which makes good sense in the commonly understood meaning of "classical"--a lot of it is old and very historical!), but you didn't like it that way--you wanted history, classical, folk and popular, as if history and classical were separate. In any event, what you are suggesting is a major editing and rewrite. Actually, I have a feeling that the article is starting to drift out of control--that is, it may be getting worse rather than better. There are only thee or four of us working on it. Maybe we can talk about this on the ducussion page of the article itself. Jeffmatt 16:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Help me Saw that you have edited the page on Ravindran Super music director in malayalam. One of the talented singers of kerala, pradip somasundaran has an article which incidentally was started by me and then taken over by jyothis and is marked now for deletion. Please help in keeping it (on merit if it is worth). Pradip was introduced to malayalam by raveendran and he sang many of his songs. --Gluewhale 13:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Cameroonianmusic
Cameroon is not just a francophone country, there is an anglophone part as well. For traditional music, the francophone/anglophone-distinction is not important. In modern music, there are alsospecific forms of modern music in the anglophone part (some forms of highlife, e.g. bottle dance). There are also examples of makossa with pidgin texts. So does it make sense to enumerate francophone countries in this template? I suggest including a link to African Music in all the "Music of "-Articles and linking them all from there. A template could be created for this. Nannus 23:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * On |BBC Africa is divided into several regions. I don't know if this division was made based on musical style differences, but this might be a starting point. The western, central and southern region on that site seem to coincide both with dance stile regions I know and with pop music style regions. Nannus 19:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Folk music vs. Traditional music
I strongly disagree with the redirection of "traditional music" to "folk music"! A separate page on "traditional music" is needed. The term folk music is defined as meaning music made by common people, i.e. nonprofesional musicians. The word is in this sense often applied to African music although a lot of African music is not folk music in this sense. There are many forms of music performed by professional musicians. There is sacred music and courtly music and while these forms of music can be called traditional music, they are not folk music. So it is simply wrong to consider the two terms to mean the same. In older ethnomusical literature, the term folk music is often used, but in newer literature, the distinction is made, for good reasons. In the case of blues and jazz, the term folk music might be appropriate. In the case of Malian griot music or of Amadinda Xylophone music from Buganda it is certainly not. The same probably holds for music traditions from other parts of the world. Therefore (sorry) I'm planing to remove the redirect and make this an article again. Nannus 04:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

A shout after way too long
Hi Tuf-kat, I just read your page, & thought I'd leave you a short response. No you are not the only Wikipedian who thinks Userboxes are dumb -- in fact I think there are a lot of Wikipedians who would agree with you. But not me: although I have some on my user page I really don't have a strong opinion about them, although if you held my wife at gunpoint I might be persuaded to say they are okay.

I was half-hoping that you might have made an appearance at Wikimania last weekend. A bunch of us old-timers -- the "Old Fogies" as I called us -- got together & talked about life before the ArbCom & other developments. (Danny asked me if I thought those days were better; I gave him a confused & conflicted answer, which reflects just how I feel about the question.) I'm hoping that you can make the next one I can afford to go to, & you can join with the group to answer such important questions as "Who was the worst troll in the history of Wikipedia?" (FWIW, Danny, Jimbo, & almost everyone each had their own candidate for this honor.) Take care, friend. -- llywrch 02:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * He was Danny's choice, too. Me, I'm nominating Cheese Dreams -- but only for personal reasons. Be good. -- llywrch 04:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Need help
I re-wrote a wikipage. Since you are the one who created Hungarian hip hop I would like to kindly ask you to chech the article for proper language and grammar. Please let me know if you can do it for me.  Lajbi  Holla @ me   Who's the boss?  23:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Music/Featured articles and Portal:Music/Featured articles/Suggest
Can you please explain what these pages is? It seems to be claiming that music featured articles have to be nominated there, when in fact all featured articles come from the FAC. I purposefully went through all the portals about a year ago and renamed/deleted references to featured article terminology when there was none. Raul654 23:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:U-Roy.jpg
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Unspecified source for Image:U-Roy.jpg
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External links opinion
I'll ponder some standardization for Discographies when I have a chance. In the meantime, while I'm thinking about it, would you consider contributing your opinion to the External links discussion at the bottom of Talk:Bootleg recording? Thanks! &mdash; Catherine\talk 02:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Peer Review for Music of Italy
Hi, Tuf-Kat. Are we getting any hits? Or am I looking in the wrong place? On another matter, you got me interested in dance, so I started a Weapon dance article that may turn out to be worthwhile once I learn how to dance. A kind person User:Jared Hunt has a different approach to referencing than our article. (He jumped in and loaded biblio templates into the body of the editable text, itself.) As you can see from the weapon dance iten, everything is in one section, leaving no alphabetical list of references. It looks ok on that article, but I think they way we have it on the Music of Italy is fine, even though there is some redundancy (page numbers in both places in some case). Any opinion one way or the other? Jeffmatt 18:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * About "looking in the right place" for peer review. I meant that the Peer review/Music of Italy/archive2 seems to be different than the regular Peer_review list, which doesn't contain Music of Italy. Jeffmatt 05:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

interested in Norse Mythology?
Hi Tuf Kat. Would like to talk about Norse Giants. Plz email me if interested. Have a good new source would like to share but inappropriate (maybe) for wiki. Mike mlhooten@gmail.com

User:TUF-KAT/Topics by country
The country sheet is interesting. I'm not sure if you maintain it or not. The Bankings should be in, not of. e.g., Banking in Canada. Regards, Deet 02:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Maraba Coffee
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Image:Egret.jpg listed for deletion
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Music of Italy
Hello again. I see you are back, or at least maybe I am. I was away. I see you are engaged in the "first half of a major copy edit". Sounds ominous. Any thoughts about putting this up for FA and taking our lumps as they come? Cheers. Jeffmatt 15:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice job on the copy edits. I picked up a typo or two and a half sentence, but made no further changes. Also, nice opening comment. I expected the "Where's the history?" comments. There will certainly be more. Maybe some people just don't see the "main article" pointers. Jeffmatt 05:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks:Wikibooks:Administrators
I am b:User:Whiteknight from wikibooks, one of the current bureaucrats on that project. I would like to inform you that a recently accepted policy, Wikibooks:Wikibooks:Administrators affects you and several other administrators and bureaucrats that have been absent for over 1 year. According to the new policy, Administrators and bureaucrats who have been completely absent and inactive for over 1 year can be subjected to deadminship, pending a discussion on [b:WB:RFA]]. Your last edit on en.wikibooks occured June 2005, so you are currently eligible for de-adminship nomination.

Nobody on en.wikibooks considers this a punishment. However, it is the desire of the community that administrators (especially bureaucrats) be active and available. By removing perpetually inactive admins from the lists, it is hoped that we can better take stock of our human resources in the future. There are a few points that I would like to make to you:


 * 1) If you do not intend on ever returning to en.wikibooks, I kindly ask that you voluntarily relinquish your permissions there, before the de-adminiship process is started.
 * 2) If you do intend on returning in the future, I want to point out that you can re-nominate yourself for privledges, and be considered for them without prejudice. (and possibly even with some preference)
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you guys just won't aknowlege me
you guys just won't acknloedge me on the miami bass page andi must admit it hrts Amos Larkins / AMOS ALRKINS II thanks wkkiopedia for nothing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.109.183.6 (talk • contribs)

wrt: userboxes
first, apologies if i moved the above comment incorrectly. it looked to me like it was put at the top of the page as a mistake. anyways, i saw your gripe about userboxes. my take on it is that i added the babel boxes when i noticed them around, deciding they were useful. then the whole userbox thing exploded, and i added my fancy little "stfu" box. you are correct, though, that it seems you (and i) may be the only ones left who still disdain the cursed things. ... aa:talk 00:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Chinese Rock (genre) vs. Chinese rock
Okay, you said Chinese rock is a standard title. But typing that is somewhat confusing because someone might type Chinese Rock and then go to another page rather than a correct one. How is that possible? --Gh87 03:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Music of Italy
Nice job on adjusting the lead. I agree on leaving "musical notation" in (but I am not passionate about it). I think some of the comments are ok, but others are nitpicking. I took the liberty of deleting the phrase "and perception" after "Instrumental and vocal classical music is an iconic part of Italian identity..." It was unclear to me in the sense that I think I know what it means ("...as well as part of how Italians are perceived by others") but I can't come up with a less wordy way of saying it--- "...and perception..." by itself makes it sound as if maybe the Italians are doing the perceiving. Leaving it out completely wouldn't be that bad, either, I guess. Small point, but we don't want give the nitpickers a blank check. I know you have done this before, so I suppose you are used to it.Jeffmatt 18:54, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

K-os
Hey man, your an inspiration with regards to what you do to music articles. Myself recently rewriting k-os, I would like to ask you if you could give my some critism of the article. Thanks! - Tutmosis 14:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:BillyJoel.jpg listed for deletion
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Abenaki Mythology
I know you created the Abenaki Mythology article a while ago, but could you provide a brief summary of their mythology on the Abenaki's main article! I've been working on it lately, and I thought it would be easiest to provide a summary of the mythology if I had the person that wrote the original article do it. Thanks. íslenskur fel lib ylur #12 (samtal) 12:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks Images
I just wanted to let you know that I took the liberty of properly licensing about 10 images that you had uploaded to wikibooks. I tried to follow the text that you had left, concerning the original location and original license of the images, I hope i didn't make any mistakes. --User:Wknight8111 (WB:Whiteknight) 14:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

FAC comment
I fear you missed my note that said, "Also, please don't be offended if I strikethrough your comment. I'm doing it so I know what I've addressed and what I haven't, not to imply that your comment isn't appreciated. If you still have an issue, just post underneath. Thanks. pschemp | talk 04:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)" This is in fact an accepted and regular practice on FAC, as can be seen here. With a lot of information its difficult to keep track of what has been replied to and what hasn't, I'm sure you understand that. I've added more pictures form other cultures, but please keep in mind that I can only write about what scholars have published, and in the case of Eastern cultures, scholars were reluctant to discuss erotic depictions for a long time and the amount of material available for citing is vastly smaller than that for the Greeks and Romans. This reflects a bias of scholarship rather than any bias of mine. That being said, I've dug up what little there is and will be adding the material you requested as best as the sources allow. pschemp | talk 20:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Fly to the Sky
I'm not sure if I misunderstood this, but no album covers in the discography section? I'm so confused. I realize that not all pages follow the manual of style, but I haven't seen one discography page w/o an album cover.

Also, I really wanted to bring this article to FA and that was the purpose of the peer review, but do you think the articles are long enough? I know there are no restrictions on size but i know that most FAs tend to be longer than the ones I am working on... mirageinred 01:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Just one more question; mandatory for non-news articles? mirageinred 17:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sweet, thanks. mirageinred 21:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking of trying to get an A-class rating for the article first before putting it for FAC. WP policy says peer review must be done before getting an A-class rating. What do I exactly need to do to get an A-class rating? mirageinred 21:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Do I get the A-class rating by peer review or requesting it for assessment? mirageinred 00:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey, TUF-Kat! Since you are a member of WikiProject R&B and Soul Music, I thought you might be interested in joining the Inspirational Music Wiki. It's really small, so we need more editors! --  P.B. Pilh e  t  /  Talk  19:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Facist Facist
A tag has been placed on Fascist Fascist, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable (see the guidelines for notability here). If you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please write  on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

Please read the criteria for speedy deletion (specifically, articles #7) and our general biography criteria. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Missvain 05:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:BlackSabbath.jpg
Thanks for uploading Image:BlackSabbath.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. When you use a generic fair use tag such as or , you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Music in MN
Hi TUF-KAT, I'd like to add classical music scene (choral music and MN composers especially) to your page ... sound okay? I'm a composer too, and am freelancing here in Saint Paul. Am a member of the American Composers Forum. --Brent Michael Davids 07:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Budasheer, Adim AfD's
Since you created those articles, your comments at their respective AfD's are appreciated. ~ trialsanderrors 06:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Kianto Afd
This article has been nominated for deletion discussion. Please feel free to join in the discussions Bwithh 02:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

hoax concerns
can you please make some commentary on the adim article when you have your chance the discussion is at Articles for deletion/Adim and some people are worried it is a hoax article Yuckfoo 21:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

List of active autonomist and secessionist movements
I have re-added Orkney to the above list (and Shetland, too). As you added it in the first place, would you like to help me defend its position there? Regards, 81.156.63.64 17:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

(moved from userpage)
Dear TUF-KAT, you are the original person having added RGB values to color names in the article "List of Colors". I, and my colleages from the Munsell Color Science Laboratory are puzzled by this and before we attempt to remove all these values, we'd like to know where you got this information from. If what you did is simply convert the Hex values into RGB, then you were assuming that the colors listed were from the W3C standard. Color names and actual RGB values are two very distinct things. Originating with the X11 color names, this was acceptable as long as the color names only referred to values producible by NTSC-bound computer displays, but unfortunately, many of the names chosen then referred to classical color names relating to physical pigments, which cannot be imaged even on today's best computer screens, and for which, therefore, there cannot be unqualified RGB values. For these types of colors, we use photometric units and the CIE XYZ color space. Ppanzini 03:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Doing something about the ridiculous date autoformatting/linking mess
Dear TUF-KAT—you may be interested in putting your name to, or at least commenting on this new push to get the developers to create a parallel syntax that separates autoformatting and linking functions. IMV, it would go a long way towards fixing the untidy blueing of trivial chronological items, and would probably calm the nastiness between the anti- and pro-linking factions in the project. The proposal is to retain the existing function, to reduce the risk of objection from pro-linkers, and to keep the issue simple.

Your support would be particularly important given your role in WP. Tony 05:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Featured topic candidates
Hey; has the FFX/X-2 series reached the requirements necessary to be a FAT? If so, can we promote it automatically? &mdash; Deckill e r 05:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Music of Italy
Hello, again. Merry Chirstmas and Happy New Year. Thanks for keeping on eye on that article. I wonder if the sentence "The relatively recent history of Italy includes the development of an opera tradition that has spread throughout the world..." will cause some confusion. Maybe "nation state of Italy" is better. At least it will satisfy (maybe) the nitpickers who didn't understand the difference in the recent FA discussion. It also may imply that most Italian opera popular in the world was composed since 1860. Actually, that may be statistically pretty close to the truth since much Verdi and all Puccini fits in there, but it does exclude Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti. Maybe the word "further" might take care of that: "The relatively recent history of Italy as a nation state has furthered the development of a long cultural tradtion of opera that has spread throughout the world..." Something like that. Anyway, hang in there. Jeffmatt 18:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Salsa Music
Good work on refining Salsa Music and making it interesting enough for others to get involved. I am a newbie Salsero. I took some lessons in Nov & Dec 2005 and again in Nov & Dec 2006. I was curious why Jerry Rivera was omitted despite having the number 1 selling Salsa album of all-time. A DJ at one of the clubs I frequent is not a big fan of his and I gather he may sell well without being popular. I was curious why there was no mention of Bachata. Most Salsa clubs I go to play Salsa, Bachata, Merengue, and Cha-cha-cha. Bachata is in 4/4 like the others and has a Latin origin and flavor. Any comment. TonyTheTiger 04:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Christian Metal Project
If you are interested in joining a potential Project Wiki Christian Metal project go here to sign up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Christian_Metal --E tac 08:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

:-)


has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!!!-- ¿  Why  1  9  9  1  ESP. | Sign Here 02:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problems with Image:KingSunnyAde.png
An image that you uploaded, Image:KingSunnyAde.png, has been listed at Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Conscious 19:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * After getting a permission by email, one should forward it to Wikimedia and make an appropriate note on the talk page as described in Requesting copyright permission. Conscious 09:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * While you are getting permission, I suggest that you download the image to your harddrive so that it doesn't get lost, especially if it is irreplaceable. --Bejnar 21:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Request for image source
Hi, I noticed you uploaded a fair use album cover (Image:Wu-TangClanEntertheWu-Tangalbumcover.jpg) for the Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) album, I was just wondering if you happen to remember the source of the image? The image fair use rationale is causing some concern at the Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) FAC. Thanks. &mdash; Tutmosis 03:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Ivory Coast move
Since you participated in previous discussions on Ivory Coast, you might be interested in the requested move at Talk:C%C3%B4te_d%27Ivoire. —  AjaxSmack     00:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

A very complicated case at Talk:The Master Musicians of Joujouka
TUF-KAT, could you please help? --  Szvest   -  Wiki me up ®  14:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Makah music
I know you did this a while back, but do you know where you meant to put it? - there's nothing in the deletion log. Otherwise, it should be tagged for speedy deletion under g8 (talk page without page). Patstuarttalk 07:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ...or Talk:Malinke music, Talk:Mandan music, Talk:Mapuche music, Talk:Mar Thoma Church music, Talk:Masai music, Talk:Maya music, Talk:Mayo music, Talk:Melkite Church music, Talk:Menominee music.... and I just made a dent in the m-section: see User:Calton/Talk_Pages_Without_Articles. Those all should be deleted. Patstuarttalk 07:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The Temptations FAR
The Temptations has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 21:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:OzzyOsbourneBlizzardofOzz.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:OzzyOsbourneBlizzardofOzz.jpg, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 00:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Frank Black FAC
Hi. I've replied to your comment at the Frank Black FAC. The sound samples have already been worked into the text with proper criticism of the work, and so qualify under the fair use criteria. Could you comment further on the FAC? If so, that would be great! CloudNine 15:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate Articles to be merged into one, Please Help!

 * Padmaja Naidu Himalayan Zoological Park
 * Padmaja Naidu Zoological Park

Please help merging the second to the first, if correct I guess, check facts first

Atulsnischal 22:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Music of Italy
Sorry for the delay. I'll look for those sources, but I suspect that the comments will be much the same; that is, it's not a missing source or a sentence or two--it's the fact that many of the people who commented are unwilling (or unable) to deal with "Italy" as modern nation instead of the centuries-old cultural museum from their history books. Anyway, I'll look for those sources tonight. Jeffmatt 10:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. I got one of them. The other--the one with the 700 concerts a year in Milan--I don't know where that came from. Someone may have seen a number on the internet. I think we can just delete the sentence, actually, but I can always come up with a note that says "extrapolated from staistics at such-and-such website." Also, in the discussion section of the article, I suggested "Another Change to lead?" that you may not have seen. Any ideas? Jeffmatt 20:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

question about how RfC is done on article issues
Dear admin, please advise me how an RfC of article issues is conducted. I do not like them but I feel that the only way to have a civil discussion on this problem is to try to learn how to do RfC on the article Brian Jones Presents The Pipes Of Pan At Jajouka (and other articles that spell the village name, such as Master Musicians of Joujouka and Brian Jones, since two spellings are now being used instead of one). I don't do this thinking it's the best way to handle it because it is so confusing that it could easily be that incorrect things might end up decided, but this seems to be procedure. How do admins learn to go to talk in a particular RfC? Is an RfC a place for Admins to comment? Or who? I have felt this article involves hostile interest edit warring and COI and really don't want to be involved in drawn out debate. But maybe RfC's can provide solutions that remove contentiousness eventually. I truly hope so. I wish only admins were working on the articles related and not me or anyone else previously involved. But that's not practical, evidently. Admins can't do everything. I wish they could. Emerman 16:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Help Needed
Hi there! I thought since you were an experienced Wikipedian you could help me out with something I was having a bit trouble in figuring out my self. Yesterday night I created a new article on my college, Fatima Jinnah Dental College. I'm trying to figure out how I can make sure that the term FJDC (which is what the college is frequently referred to by) can redirect at that page, but I can't seem to be able to do it. I read the Wiki Help pages, and tried, but I think I might not have access/permission. I'd appreciate your help. Thanks so much in advance.Zainub 12:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks again.Zainub 06:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of X-Men 1992 TV Series episodes
You objected to this list. Can you check if the issues have been resolve. If your object remains, the nomination may fail. Colin°Talk 12:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Kabylianflag.gif listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Kabylianflag.gif, has been listed at. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Remember the dot (t) 01:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

category for Music genres
Hi there! I have seen you made templates like Middle eastern music and South Asian music. Frankly I see no basis for such classifications. While music of Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan are almost the same and similar to Indian and Bangaladeshi music they are separated into different classes. I suggest Indo-Iranian music and Arab music templates similar to indo-iranian languages and Arabic language categories (if we need any at all). We have two cultural diaspora in the region: Indo-Iranian continent and the Arab world. When there is no similarity between music of Iran and north Africa I don't see why there need to be classified in one group. Such classifications (middle east, etc) are not cultural. They are more based on religion and politics (as you hear everyday in the news) and I would say it is Arab pov and western pov. The instruments used in persian music, kurdish music and azeri music are the same as indian music and Bangeladeshi music. Arabic and north African music are quite different with these musical generes. Thanks. Sangak 11:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the same problem exists with cinema. Yesterday I read an interview with an award winning film director of Tajikistan. He said in response to a question about the similarity between Iranian cinema and cinema of Tajikistan: "cinema of Tajikistan is a part of Iranian cinema and I am an Iranian director!". In wiki Iranian cinema and North african cinema and arab cinema are classified together separate from Tajikistan and central asia. Sangak 11:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I have just checked American music page and there is no such "geographic" template there putting music of Venezuela and Bolivia next to music of US. I don't see why we need such misleading templates included in Persian music page . Sangak 11:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation
Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 22:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

Favor...
Hello, ! I think that you're a really great editor, so, do you think that you could sign my autograph book, maybe? It would be an honor if you did! See ya later, ! Cremepuff222 ( talk,  sign book ) 01:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much! Cremepuff222  ( talk,  sign book ) 01:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Your comments on the FAC Ilaiyaraaja
Hi TUF-KAT. Just to let you know that I've responded to your comment regarding this FAC. Please see Featured_article_candidates/Ilaiyaraaja. Cheers, AppleJuggler 07:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Got your recent comments. Good ones, actually. I have responded. Do take a look sometime. AppleJuggler 03:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Responded to more of your comments. Thanks, AppleJuggler 03:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi TUF-KAT. With regard to this FAC, you commented about providing better description and justification for the use of music samples. I have done this in a sandbox (go here to see). Is that sufficient, or you think it's necessary to move these music samples around (i.e., insert them in the text, or in boxes beside paragraphs in the main text)? Or is this still not enough of a justification? Let me know what you think. Thanks. AppleJuggler 12:26, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Friendly hello
Hi. I've not seen you around recently, and thought that I would just drop you a friendly "hello" note. Jkelly 18:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)