User talk:TUFstorian

The Amazing Race 34 Mega Leg
If the Mega Leg were to have a Pit Stop, then a second column of placements would be necessary. But since there isn't one, only one column is needed. 9March2019 (talk) 20:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The Amazing Race - Double Legs
Thank you for your comments. Unlike many anonymous individuals, you actually were courteous and respectful, and I feel that your concerns deserve a response. The issue with the double leg midpoint columns being eliminated stemmed from a problem with both accessibility and the sort function. With two columns under one header, the table sorted based on the first column and not the second (the final placements in the leg). Please take a look at The Amazing Race 10 to see what I have come up with. I believe this solves the problem and allows both columns to be sorted appropriately. Additionally, the column headers identify the leg as a double leg, and each column as the first half and second half. I believe that addresses the issue of accessibility, and avoids having to put footnotes after every italicized placement, which I wouldn't have liked and I know absolutely no one else would have liked either. In addition, I have begun to institute a few other tweaks based on feedback received that I believe still meets the requirements of MOS:ACCESS. Namely, the elimination placement in red has been replaced with Last. Therefore, only last-place placements that are not eliminated (like non-elimination legs, continue racing legs, etc.) need a footnote, and the redundant footnote previously used for the eliminated teams can be removed. I have rolled these changes out on the first 10 seasons and will continue to work on the others.

There seems to be some gross misunderstanding about the need for these changes based on arguments like "it's always been like this" or "if there were a problem, someone would have fixed it by now." There was a problem, and the person trying to fix it is me. It doesn't matter how long it's been wrong. I have earnestly been trying to work with anyone who comes at me in a professional and courteous manner, but when I receive personal attacks, insults (I've been called the "worst person on earth"), etc., I have zero interest in working with that person or in anything they have to say or offer. I'm sure you can understand that.

The concept of MOS:ACCESS is essentially that the information on Wikipedia should be accessible by everyone, and that includes people with vision impairments and the like. There are issues of color-blindness that required some of the font colors to be changed. The Lucky Charms icons that the results tables used to sport featured numerous colors that were not compliant against the white background, including the yellow, orange, and pink. There are also users who print off pages for reference and the information must still be conveyed in black-and-white, which means that colors cannot be the only means of conveying information. Lastly, there are visually-impaired users who use electronic screen-readers that read the text to the user; those screen-readers cannot interpret boldfaced print, colors, underlining, italics, or symbols. That was why the footnotes and citations were needed.

Based on how Wednesday's episode turns out, we can look at adding two columns for episode 3 of The Amazing Race 34, but that megaleg is different from previous double legs in that Phil doesn't greet the teams at the midpoint and announce their placement before telling them to continue racing. This kind of falls under OR. Would it be acceptable to you if we revisit the issue after Wednesday's episode to see how the whole thing looks? But the placements just based on last Wednesday's episode, especially when all teams hadn't completed the roadblock, and Phil's not there to simulate a pit stop, seem inappropriate by themselves.

Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns. Bgsu98 (talk) 00:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Pardon the delayed response. I was taking a break from engaging in the Wikipedia discussions. Although you guys only saw segments of it online, but I was getting private DMs about the Wikipedia changes through the following media: Facebook, Twitter, Discord, and Reddit. This is in addition to the public threads online you guys are privy to. Just type in "wikipedia" as a keyword into the Survivor, TAR, and BB Reddit pages and you'll see what I mean. I even heard from someone who was responsible for editing the Wikipedia pages in 2005 or 2006.
 * I know for a fact the editors from the Wikia pages have pre-emptively blocked you from being able to edit the Wikia pages because of some of the changes made to the page.
 * Re: Accessibility for people with visual impairment. I haven't really seen too many comments about the modifications to colour coding (I wouldn't doubt you guys receiving comments about it). I don't think anyone should be critical if something needs to be modified because of a visual impairment issue.
 * Re: Fancruft/Removal of Info. I think this is where 90 percent of the controversy lies. The Roadblock count is something people regularly keep track of. I saw the one response of "well it's like in Big Brother where Have-Nots aren't a big deal in the show anymore." The primary response to that argument is "how is that relevant? Why do unaired Have-Nots on Big Brother have to do with removing Roadblock counts on The Amazing Race Wikipedia page?" The way it was presented on Wikipedia was extremely neat and tidy. Whether or not it gets mentioned in confessionals and is moreso implied for the audience shouldn't impact on its removal from the Wikipedia pages. If anyone wants more specific info as to who did what Roadblock, that's what the Wikia pages are for.
 * Re: What Constitutes a Leg? First off, I'm glad the Leg 3 totals are included in the standings. Even contestants themselves refer to it for determining Average Finishing Position (AFP) for TAR teams. One thing that people will always argue about is "What constitutes a Leg?" This dates back to TAR 6 when the Internet cafe became the endpoint of a leg in Hungary because it was illegal for teams to beg. Whether it was teams meeting Phil on the mat or the end of the Roadblock with Tyler & James completing a Roadblock and the clue saying "Keep on racing!!!" nearly everyone was in agreement that it was fine to count this as the endpoint of the leg. A leg doesn't necessarily have to conclude with a Pit Stop (or as we've seen in TAR 10 and 15--it doesn't even have to be responsible for a planned elimination).
 * I think the most controversial endpoint is perhaps TAR Asia 2's Japan leg when everyone got equalized on that dang train then took a cab to Allan Wu on the mat telling them to keep racing at the very end of the episode. That's when I was willing to just count the train station as the endpoint rather than Allan Wu (who is a lovely man to meet in person, btw.)
 * Re: Abby & Will's elimination. I couldn't help but notice the reverting editing war happening over Abby & Will's placement. I would just put 8th and then a DNS footnote like they do in the Olympics. Yes, Dave & Connor made it to the mat in Vietnam, but this is essentially the same situation as Abby & Will. The other seven teams checked in, and therefore Abby & Will were last. They were last to the endpoint for Leg 6. Their AFP is therefore 6.0. Not assigning them a placement for the season seems bizarre as if they were abducted by aliens or were non-participants in the season.
 * Re: Unilateral Decisions/Lack of Feedback. I think you guys need to communicate with the public more frequently. The perception you guys have given to the public is you started watching reality TV a little over a year ago, and are absolutely determined to change every Wikipedia page online with either minimal or zero consultation from the public. I think the reason why you guys are annoyed with disrespect from the public is maybe they feel you guys haven't shown them enough respect in return. There are people who have been in the online Reality TV community for 20+ years such as people like myself. We're adults in our 30s who grew up with competitive reality TV like Survivor, Big Brother, The Mole, and The Amazing Race right from early grade school (I started watching Survivor when I was 8 years old and I am 31 now--yikes!). Perhaps this final point is why you guys have met the most hostile behaviour, and why places like Wikia needed to take drastic action such as pre-emptively blocking you. You guys are perhaps coming off as invaders rather than members of the RTV Community. e.g. I started playing my first ORG in 2002, I have flown from Canada to attend reality TV finales for Survivor, The Amazing Race, and The Mole in the United States and Belgium multiple times. I have met producers, alumni, and other reality TV fans in about twelve different countries during my travels. Meanwhile, you guys are swooping in and changing these pages and giving off the impression that you've been watching reality TV for a little over a year. I'm sure you see how that can be frustrating for others, and may explain why people have been rude.
 * Alright, I think I've said my peace here. I have exactly 23 different recap podcasts to rank today that discussed TAR 34 Episode 4. I take one week to check out Montreal and I'm behind in all sorts of ways.
 * Peace out and just chill 'til the next episode. TUFstorian (talk) 18:00, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I've been "pre-emptively blocked" from editing a website I've never heard of? I'll try to pick up the shattered pieces of my life and move forward. 😂😂😂 Bgsu98 (talk) 22:41, 2 November 2022 (UTC)