User talk:TV9

It is no secret that this user, User:WGN-TV, and IP user "163.192.21.43" are one-and-the-same. But no matter what, it doesn't give you ownership rights with regards to this article. You have been reverting to YOUR PREFERRED VERSION without acknowledging good-faith and correct, factual edits I have made. Let me break this down for you:

1) The word The is NOT CAPITALIZED when beginning a sentence. This is basic and proper grammar, and has nothing to do with how the Wikipedia article is titled.

2) The number 15 should be written in WORD FORM (fifteen), not in numerical form when within a sentence. Again, this is basic, proper grammar.

3) You have constantly changed the Wiki-links to the WB Television Network and the CW Television Network to The WB and The CW. This is incorrect.  And there is no reason for using the entire name in the Infobox -- abbreviations only, and without the word "The".

4) Regardless of what you may believe, MLB definitely had something to do with WGN-TV reducing its Cubs and White Sox coverage. It is the same reason WTBS/TBS Superstation has reduced the number of Atlanta Braves games they carry over the past several years.  This is a fact and it belongs in the article.  And, in the same paragraph, the Wiki-fiying of National Basketball Association is redundant.  It appears earlier in the article -- read it and you'll see where.

5) BTW, you may want to get a new, proper screenname. TV9 should not be allowed.

That's all. Rollosmokes 06:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * As you can see from your previous postings, you instructed me to create a username, which I did. The username I created was User:WGN-TV.  As you can see from the User:WGN-TV discussion page, User:Geniac requested that I change or create a different username.  The new username I created is User:TV9.  I have been reverting and correcting your factual and grammatical errors with explanations and confirmations.  Let me break this down for you:


 * 1) The word "The" is part of the name of "The WB" and "The CW". This is confirmed by the networks as well as their respective Wikipedia articles (not just the title but the body of the articles).


 * 2) Actually, numbers through nine should be written in word form within a sentence but I couldn't care less whether it's posted in word form or not on the article so I'll let that one go.


 * 3) If there is no reason the entire name of "The WB" and "The CW" should appear in the Infobox, why does the entire name of "The Tube" appear in the Infobox?


 * 4) Regardless of what you believe, and as I've repeatedly stated and confirmed, MLB had absolutely nothing to do with WGN-TV reducing its Cubs and White Sox coverage. Again, coverage was reduced because The WB (now The CW) limit their affilates to a specific number of network preemptions.  Again, this is confimed by WGN-TV.  It is not the same reason WTBS/TBS Superstation reduced the number of Atlanta Braves games.  TBS's agreement with Major League Baseball changed when it switched from a superstation to a basic cable network.


 * 5) Why should TV9 not be allowed? TV9 17:51, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please stop reverting, either in whole or part, to what is YOUR PREFERRED VERSION. This practice constitites as an ownership claim.
 * By the way, I got this message from Morgan Wick regarding the use of the full CW and WB names in the Infobox:
 * "...Everyone calls it "The WB" and "The CW", not "WB Television Network" and "CW Television Network", as is evident by a bajillion other articles, so those are the versions that should go in the infobox."
 * That, and again, the word The still should not be capitalized when within a sentence. If you work for Tribune, a newspaper company, you should already know that, right?  Rollosmokes 01:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please stop reverting, either in whole or part, to what is YOUR preferred version. If anyone is guilty of practicing an ownership claim, it's been you... and the evidence is overwhelming with all the complaints that have been posted on the discussion pages.
 * I have no problem following Morgan Wick's recommendation to drop "Television Network" from the infobox.
 * The word "The" can be capitalized within a sentence when it's the first part of a name. TV9 01:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculously childish. I am tired of having to repair your redirects to the Wikilinks for both the CW and WB. Either put the correct Wikilinks in the article (which contain the full name) or don't edit all.

And, once again, the word The should not have a capital T when the word is within a sentence. Please show me any style guide -- Chicago Manual of Style, MLA, APA -- where this is allowed. Not even newspapers do this. Please stop changing proper grammar. Rollosmokes 07:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, this became childish on June 8 when you began reverting my corrections. Morgan Wick clearly instructed you to label "The WB" and "The CW" in the info box as such.  Instead, you chose to edit them as "WB" and "CW".  And, once again, the word The can have a capital T within a sentence when it's the first word of a name or title .  Please show me any style guide where this is not allowed.  Newspapers do, in fact, do this.  It also appears this way throughout Wikipedia's articles on The CW and The WB.  TV9 15:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I have contacted an administrator about this issue. The capitalization isn't so much the issue, but rather your continued practice of changing the links to WB and CW into redirects, which is not correct. I have fixed the article again, pending administrator review. Rollosmokes 04:47, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If capitalization is no longer an issue for you, why do you keep changing it back? And since you prefer not linking into redirects, why don't you just edit to your preferred links without changing the capitalization?  I look forward to the administrator's response and hope that they also take a close look at your history on this discussion page as well as your discussion page.  TV9 05:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring over The CW/CW Television Network
Hey TV9!

First of all, thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, both under your current account, and under the IP. I've looked thru your contributions, and you have a lot of good contributions under your belt.

Rollosmokes asked me to take a look at this dispute between the two of you concerning the wikilinking on WGN-TV. It looks like you're switching out CW for The CW. Generally, we try to wikilink to the main article; The CW is a redirect. When users click on that link, they will be redirected to the main article, but they will get a little message that says they've been redirected, which isn't ideal. A pipe in the link, such as The CW might be appropriate here, as it will still allow you to say "The CW" while directing readers to the correct article.

I'm going to leave you some other links here, which may help you with editing. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page.

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 * Thanks much for your helpful advice. I followed through on your recommendation.  Be well.  TV9 12:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * What edit war? There was no edit war, this dispute was about style and structure.  Anyway, it's good to see that you've finally conformed to at least one guideline of Wikipedia style.  I'm just sorry it took involving an administrator for you to do so.  Rollosmokes 16:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you be in anymore denial? TV9 16:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Update....
Once again, you -- using both your screenname and various IP addresses -- continue to revert to your PREFERRED VERSION of WGN-TV rather than acknowledge that factual and grammatical corrections were made previously. I have once again asked for administrator assistance. I have reverted the article back to its corrected version once again. Should you change it back, it will prove that: 1) you are claiming ownership of the article as no version is acceptable to you but your own; and 2) you are using the article to prove a point. Please do not revert the article again, pending further review. Rollosmokes 07:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * With all due respect, you've been reverting to your PREFERRED VERSION of WGN-TV rather than acknowledge that factual and grammatical corrections were made previously. I have reverted the article back to its corrected version once again.  Since June 8th, you've repeatedly proven that: 1) you are claiming ownership of the article as no version is acceptable to you but your own; and you've been using the article to prove a point.  As I've previously stated, the word "The" is part of the name of "The WB" and "The CW".  This is confirmed by the networks as well as their respective Wikipedia articles (not just the title but the body of the articles).  Even administrator Morgan Wick instructed you to label "The WB" and "The CW" as such.  Instead, you continue to repeatedly edit them as "WB" and "CW".  As I've also stated, the word The can have a capital T within a sentence when it's the first word of a name or title .  You've previously stated that capitalization wasn't an issue for you but your repeated reverts prove otherwise.  I look forward to the administrator's response and hope that they also take a close look at your history on this discussion page as well as your discussion page.  Please do not revert the article again, pending further review.  TV9 09:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I apologise for taking sides here, but maybe TV9 is right in this case -- everyone refers (or referred) to these networks as The WB and The CW, and the full network names beginning with "The". To be honest, I haven't seen any press or articles that merely referred these stations as just "WB" or "CW" (other than station or block templates on Wiki) -- the exception is if a placename precedes the network name (such as "Chicago's WB" or "Alpena's CW"), or if combined with a channel number (such as "WB 39", "CW 11"). Just my two cents. -- azumanga 14:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: "Abuse Accusations?"
TV9, see my talk page for my comments on your comments. -- azumanga (talk) 03:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry...
If you have a problem with me or my edits, then speak to me directly and stop running to a middle-person (i.e. Azumanga1) for help. By the way, I haven't touched your sacred WGN-TV article for a full week. I really think it's hypocritical coming from someone who hasn't edited anything here in over two months, and only appears when his favorite article (your way of violating WP:OWN and WP:POINT) is changed. Change the sound of your one-note song, please. Rollosmokes (talk) 05:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

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