User talk:T Thrust

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Hello, T Thrust, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place  before the question. Again, welcome! Hello. As a contributor to music related articles on Wikipedia you may be interested in reading and contributing to the current standards for music related articles on Wikipedia such as: or creating new ones. There is also Portal:Music, which is like the front page but music exclusive. Le Deluge (talk) 11:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
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Nekrogoblikon article
Hi. I was just doing some tidying up and came across which as I think you'd worked out wasn't the place to contest the deletion of the article. I've moved your text over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rock music where it'll get some more eyeballs on it. I sympathise with your situation - Wikipedia puts much more weight on dead-tree sources which doesn't always work for how modern music works, and things like Youtube hits don't really count, whereas top 40 chart releases do. See WP:BAND for more on that. My feeling is that you're on the edge of notability, but I'll leave it to people who work on music articles regularly to make that call. In the meantime you might also want a look at WP:COI for some guidance on writing about yourself. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 11:49, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Nekrogoblikon page deletion
Hello there. Very sorry it's taken me this long to reply, I've been on a long wiki-break over most of the last year.

A few things about the links. 1) Youtube views don't really count towards as being an assertion of notability because Youtube views can be bought/faked and is not a true indicator of popularity/notability. (hence why youtube views aren't mentioned in the WP:MUSIC article) 2) First and third articles seem ok as sources and can be used in the article 3)The second and fourth article links either don't work or the articles have been removed. So either try and find other versions of those articles with links that work so I can check them to be used in the article, otherwise they can't be used as sources (need to be verifiable by anyone). 4) The coverage about the band on metalinjection that I can find is only trivial content (annoucements of tours, albums, press releases etc.) and thus can't be used as a source per the first critera of WP:BAND (unless non-trivial articles about the band are posted up on the website in the future). And so with only two usable reliable sources currently, the article still might get deleted if it's re-created. But if you have any other reliable independant coverage of the page, the page should survive deletion.

Also as you are the frontman of the band, it is highly discouraged that you or anyone connected to the band create the article due to a clear conflict of interest as it would cause the article to have a less than neutral point of view (and sometimes leads to articles sound like advertisements for the article subjects in question and thus get deleted). The only work around I can offer is that, once the sources have been improved and the admin who protected the article from re-creation gives the go ahead for the article to be unprotected, you create the article in your userspace at User:T Thrust/Nekrogoblikon, tell me when you're finished editing, I'll transfer it over to the mainspace and I'll edit it so that it's neutral in tone. Once that's done, you would still be discouraged from editing the mainspace version of the article due to conflict of interest and so any proposed edits should be added to the article's talkpage. I'll be watching both the article and the talkpage so I should see when you want to make additions. Hopefully this helps and again sorry for the late reply. AngelOfSadness talk  19:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * EDIT: The article has already been created at Nekrogoblikon (band) and appears to fit the WP:MUSIC guidelines. What I said in the final three sentences above, still applies. Anyway, all the best. AngelOfSadness  talk  19:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)