User talk:Ta bu shi da yu/Archive28

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Dude, you've still got a bro here. :-) Tomertalk  10:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tomer. Sorry that it's turned out this way. - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

As someone who has similarly been around for a very long time, I have to say you're one of the editors I respected most. You say you will come back, I really hope it is so. RyanGerbil10 (Говорить!) 01:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. I appreciate all the hard work you've put into this project. I hope things go OK around here. Especially on TfD. - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't really known you, but you have been remarkably influential to the development of the Wiki. I can only hope you'll continue to do the same. Best of luck to you and your family.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers... I very much appreciate the encouraging words! - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

The block imposed on you was ridiculous, and was not supported by policy. Please don't allow some foolish mistake to end your fantastic wiki-career. I'm not even sure we've spoken directly, but I've admired your contributions for a very long time. I look forward to your return whenever you're ready. Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 13:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well... the one who did it did what they thought was right. I do admire that. However, I appreciate your comments Xoloz, I wish things weren't as they were. -- 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, although this account is inactive, TBSDY has not gone anywhere and resumed editing almost immediately after his purported retirement. That should put your minds at ease.  I'm sure he could even start another account and resume his admin status w/o confirmation, as many others have done.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 14:03, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Fat Man, the addiction will wear off eventually for me. Incidently, love your personal attack on my old talk page. Do you feel like a big man? - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 05:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't count on it. I locked myself out of editing for 6 weeks and still the siren's call of Wikipedia pulled me back in.  Though, to be fair, the community ain't what she used to be.  Regardless, I hope your present feelings of frustration will pass.  Dragons flight (talk) 07:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Regretfully, it really is my intention to leave and never come back. It probably will let me reassess what is most important in my life though, so that's a good thing. I do feel very sad that I'm leaving behind so many great editors. We've all been through so much and weathered so much criticism (which we almost always tried to take into consideration) that it's like leaving behind a family. But... this is an online project. It's not family, though when I started it was one of the most encouraging, funny, nice, friendly web communities around. Sure there were trolls, some of them really bad, but even then Jimbo tried to inculcate a spirit of forgiveness. I can't remember who it was, but he got blocked for a year for disruption. We all thought that it would be forever, but Jimbo impressed me with a real attempt at allowing the editor back with some mediation and mentorship. I was impressed that Jimbo would take the time to do this, I never forgot what he did there (even if I forgot the editors name) - it really stuck in my mind. Unfortunately, things have changed. Funny. It's like the history of Christianity. Christianity started out great, then after Constantine decided that the Roman Empire should be Christian, people who didn't care about the core tenets of Christianity came in seeking power and started corrupting it. It's similar to what I see happening here. Of course Wikipedia is full of heathens, so the comparison probably isn't valid... . So I wish it weren't so, but it's time to move on. Soon I'll not add anything more to this page (yes, it will take a little time to get this out of my system), but it will happen. Give me time - I've been on the Wikicrack for 5 years now, going cold turkey is almost impossible! Now to work out what I'm going to spend all my free time on... think I'll go learn about Oracle Databases. - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page. You know, people around here really, honestly seem to care for you and hold you in high esteem, even if I don't.  So why let one mean-spirited jerk-off get under your skin?  Just take a break and stop with the drama.  I'll do my part by disengaging as well.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 07:01, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What I wrote on The Fat Man Who Never Came Back's user talk page.
 * In case you hadn't noticed, there are a few things about this project that were always important.
 * Don't troll others, and don't be nasty to them. If your humour was designed to hurt another, don't do it. The humour on Wikipedia is meant to be gentle, not harsh. Hard humour designed to bring down another is not conducive to editing on this project, nor collaboration. There is enough conflict without someone's lack of regard for another to cause more hurt and pain.
 * I am perfectly able to keep my real life separate from the editing I do on this project. Like I said, things in my normal life are great, except for a bit of sickness I've had for a few days. Yeah, it's a bit stressful, but that's what happens when your wife is pregnant and money is tight with a new-born on the way. However, this doesn't mean that I'm not extremely sad that this project has turned into a horrible blame-fest, with no way of people to make mistakes, or to speak their mind, or to leave without someone leaving a nasty comment on their user talk page. I've been on this project for almost 5 years, and you are one of the very few that I've seen who left a "don't let the door hit you on the arse" style comment. Mostly when someone leaves from disappointment, other editors refrain from commenting, or at the very least note what they didn't like in a very short comment (as in "I didn't agree with that you did such-and-such") and don't make a personal comment designed to be hurtful.
 * I have no intention of returning to editing. Like I said, I scrambled my account. I'm only coming back to respond to comments like the ones you left me. I certainly didn't expect for people to be horrible to me on my talk page, or to accuse me of having a sock-puppet when I log in and edit anonymously (?!?).
 * I have contributed quite a bit to this project (for instance, I spent two years writing the USA PATRIOT Act article), and have tried to make sure that I never misused admin tools. I think that is why long-time, valuable contributors aren't particularly happy I'm leaving. I feel sorry for those in the trenches. Unfortunately, many feel the way I do and are deeply saddened that the old spirit of forgiveness, Wikilove and community is being eroded by those who only want to do meta-editing, vandal hunting and casting judgement on others. There is certainly more of that now on Wikipedia than there is of actual quality editing of Wikipedia articles. It also means a lot less recognition for those who do the bulk of the work in getting topics and articles up to speed in terms of quality. I definitely encourage any editor to remember the core goal of Wikipedia, which is to contribute the sum total of all knowledge. I do know that writing nasty comments on talk pages doesn't help that at all, all it does is make more good contributors leave. It does allow more people in who only want to be involved in making decisions for the project but who don't really care about editing articles.
 * So before you decide to post a "witty" comment on someone else's talk page, think about whether it's there to judge them and bring them down, or whether you really want them to stay and produce good contributions for Wikipedia. - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I really, really hurt your feelings; sorry for that. Perhaps I overreacted to the distasteful way you've behaved over the past few days; I really expect long-time editors and admins to be exemplars, but when they fuck up, that's no excuse for me to be mean.  I wasn't saying anything close to "don't let the door hit you on the way out," nor did I ever suggest that my comment was particularly witty. I was merely alerting others who were mourning your departure that you never actually left; however, when I re-read my comment it sounded awfully mean-spirited, which is one of several reasons I deleted it (only for you to restore it).  Yes, I'm unfamiliar with the scale and quality of your magisterial contributions--and I never claimed to be your equal in experience or utility to the project--but you're none too familiar with my behavior as an editor, either.  I do have a good idea what Wikipedia's all about and don't need to be lectured via enumerated do's and dont's by someone I don't really look up to or care to emulate.  Nobody's perfect, and we've both had our ill-advised moments; my humor can be inappropriate or dark, but if you really look at my interactions with other editors, you'll find that I get along great with a wide assortment of people; I'm sweet, patient and helpful more often than not.  I meant it when I said not to let let one online jerk-off effect your mood.  It's not worth it.  If you truly see me as nothing but a troll, you should really stop feeding me.  Please go in peace.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 14:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, I've often written comments on people's pages that I regret later. It takes a big man (really, no pun intended here!) to say what you just said, and I appreciate it. The more Wikilove, the better. I didn't really see you as a troll, but your comment did upset me. But... the comment above does make things right. I very much appreciate you saying it, and no more hard feelings on my end anymore. I hope that any bad feelings that I've caused could be forgiven on your end also. It's been a tough WikiWeek for me.
 * It is tough for me to leave. I have done a lot of stuff on this project... I guess I only said this because I was justifying my existence here to you and I wanted you to know how very much I regret the way things have turned out. It's an awfully hard thing to do to leave Wikipedia, I tried it once, left for 6 months and came back again. This time it's not really viable to do so, things have changed a lot from the first time. That's why this time I have scrambled my account so I can't get back in. - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 14:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I feel your pain. I also miss the old sense of community, common purpose, and shared values. Knowing that the current fragmentation is inevitable doesn't make it easier to watch. I mostly keep my head down and my eye on my watchlist, not on the drama. I hope you do come back eventually, as your presence will be missed, at least among those who are familiar with your intelligence and wit. Go, relax, invent a cocktail called "the exploding whale", and come back when you're ready to face some small corner of the maelstrom again. Cheers! &mdash; Catherine\talk 08:03, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Catherine. I shall certainly consider making that cocktail: I wonder whether it would be OR to add it to Exploding whale article? Keep up the good work, btw. I totally think you are a great editor, wish there were more of you about! - 211.30.71.131 (talk) 13:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * So long, and good luck. -- Altiris   Helios   Exeunt  01:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow shit, the best are leaving in spades. Um. Yeah well, take your time, all you need and want, and then fucking return. I dorftrottel I talk I 06:52, December 3, 2007

Hooroo
Hi Ta bu,

I'm sad to see you go, but it's probably for the best. If anybody edits wikipedia because they feel they "have to" or absolutely "need to" rather than because they want to, then that'd be a problem.

I think as time goes on, the temptation for people to vandalise or POV-push on wikipedia will decline. The lack of such problems may make wikipedia a less paranoid place (or maybe more paranoid - but I hope not!).

Best of luck, Andjam (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Ni hao!

 * sui1 ran2 ni3 bu4 shi4 da4 yu2, dan4 shi4 wo3 men2 hui4 xiang3 nian4 ni3. — Nearly Headless Nick   {C}  11:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

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Yikes!
How mournful I am to find you truly retired. I hope to see you again one day. +sj + 19:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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Notice of Wikimedia Australia incorporation meeting
Dear Wikimedian,

I am writing to you as your named is listed at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia under "People interested in helping to create a local chapter". Wikimedia Australia's draft rules have been approved by the Wikimedia Foundation, and we now intend to incorporate in the state of Victoria. You are hereby informed of the intention to hold a Wikimedia Australia meeting on 20th April 2008 with the intention to

(a) authorize a person who has attained the age of 18 years and who is resident in the State to incorporate Wikimedia Australia under the Victorian Associations Incorporation Act 1981; [that is, elect a Public Officer] (b) approve a proposed statement of purposes of Wikimedia Australia; and (c) approve the proposed rules of Wikimedia Australia.

A majority of members must vote to pass the motion to incorporate as an association, for it to meet the requirements of the Act.

The proposed rules, and proposed statement of purpose, can be found here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Draft_Rules_for_Wikimedia_Australia_Inc

Details of the incorporation meeting, including local meetings (to be joined up by teleconferencing, with any luck) and the agenda, can be found here:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation

In particular, you are invited to attend the Melbourne meeting:


 * Time: 3pm
 * Date: Sunday 20th April 2008
 * Location: Computerbank, North Melbourne
 * RSVP (optional): at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Incorporation/Melbourne or http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=12283635078

I also encourage you to take part in discussion on the mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/Wikimediaau-l

If you are unable to attend, you can vote by proxy. Please copy the proxy form at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Proxy_form and send it to me in an email. (It is better to appoint a generic member, e.g. "Meeting Chair" or "Acting Secretary", both of whom will be of Melbourne, rather than a specific member, but the choice is yours.)

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Yours sincerely, Brianna Laugher Provisional Secretary, Wikimedia Australia

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G'day
G'day esteemed person who has expressed interest in Sydney based meetups at this page (I hope that's the correct wording for the formal greeting!!). You may have heard that Australia is to have its very own 'chapter' of the Wikimedia Foundation - and further, there's a meeting coming up to discuss / enact the chapter's incorporation (details here). I'm afraid that I don't know too much about the details of what this entails, other than having a private hope that we might get a secret handshake, and maybe cheap coffee at wikimania (this is a poor attempt at humour - I'm sure that the Chapter's do great work, and it's a good thing that Australia is to have one).

If you're interested in meeting up this weekend (the set date is the 20th) - or later, then please do head over here and sign up, or make a comment at the talk page... the drive to create the chapter has largely come from another town in Australia that I'm afraid I haven't actually heard much about.. and anything they can do.... right? - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Drinks and a wiki chat?
G'day sydneysider - fancy a 'not quite a meetup but a few drinks' sort of thing? - We can chat about the new aussie chapter, the price of eggs and have our very own 2020 Wiki Summit! - or just sink a couple of cold ones and gass bag about the good 'ol days of wiki, when an editor could get some repsect (not a typo)! I've suggested something here so take a look and sign up if you're up for it... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Whoever was actually responsible for coming up with , they may want to resign themselves to it perhaps being the most prolific thing they will ever have created...

That appears to be you. WAS 4.250 (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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G'day NewSouthWikiWelshman
...and I mean 'welshman' in the most gender neutral way, of course...and I'm aware that not all of you guys are from NSW.. and I'm aware that this hasn't been the most smoothly written note in Wiki's history, but hey ho... slaps head, persuades voices in head to pipe down, and continues.... Fancy attending a meetup? - We've got some interested Chapter stuff to chat about, no doubt there may be some tales of Arabian Nights (or at least Egyptian conferences), and it just generally felt like it was about time..... head over here if you're interested.... do feel free to wiki-edit away in the usual fashion too if you've got any other ideas! cheers all, Privatemusings (talk) 07:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC) you've been spammed in this nature because you signed up as interested in being notified about this sort of thing.. hope that's ok!

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A Sydney Meetup
G'day all - I'm dropping this note in to let you know that there's to be a Wiki Meetup the week after next, on Tuesday, 21st at 18:00 at The Paragon in Circular Quay. If you've ever thought about popping along to one of these, but haven't had the chance - now's the time! If you love the idea, but the time and / or place don't quite work for you, please do feel free to wiki edit away at the meetup page and I'm sure we can sort something out :-) Meetups are a great way to share wiki-thoughts, meet wiki-friends, and generally learn how to prefix all areas of your life with wiki- :-)

It's a very friendly bunch, and we're hoping to be able to formally collect membership fees and details for the Australian Chapter (did you know that we're the only current english speaking chapter? Join now for kudos and future bragging rights!) - as well as just generally have a good 'ol time. I look forward to seeing you there :-) best, Privatemusings (talk) 07:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

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Wiki Christmas Meetup
G'day all - I'm hoping that I might persuade you along to a Wiki christmas celebration / meetup on december 18th :-) - The meetup regulars are a friendly bunch, and we're very much hoping to get a few new folk along to chat about all things Wiki (and there are apparently some exciting things in the pipeline! Come along to find out a bit more ;-) - you can sign up here - and do feel free to edit that page with any more ideas or suggestions too :-)

Hope to see you there - I've heard a rumour that the first drink is on the highest placed Australian in the current arbcom elections.... Privatemusings (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC) ok, so I started that rumour too....

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Meetup time again
Hi all, it's Meetup time again :-) - Hopefully you'll be up for meeting on April 22nd at about 6pm at The Paragon, a pub in Circular Quay. It'll be the usual round of drinks and chit chats, with no particular agenda, just some friendly faces, and a shared interest in Wiki stuff. If you've thought about coming along before, but haven't made it - we'd love to see you - it'll be a relaxed, social chin wag about all things wiki - bring anyone along you fancy, and I hope you can make it :-)

Please do sign up on the meetup page, and do also feel free to nominate an alternative time / date / location if for whatever reason the 21st doesn't work for you - we're an accommodating bunch :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 04:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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Sydney Meetup
I think you may have been notified by email, but I thought it was worth my dropping in a note anywhoo, to let you know that Sydney Wikipedians are having a meetup this coming Tuesday, the 4th August. As you'll see on that page, we have two folk flying in from the Wikimedia Foundation who will be attending, and we have a great crowd of wiki types signed up to come along.

If you've never been to a meetup before, this wouldn't be a bad one to kick off with (we're all very friendly, interesting, and great looking folk ;-), and if you have, well come along again, why don't ya! If you've any questions you can flick the aussie mailing list an email on wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org aussie mailing list, or drop me a note on my talk page. Hope to see some of you there!

ps. If you've already signed up, and received an email, and a phone call, and a door knock, and are getting a bit frustrated with constant advances from enthusiastic australian wiki types, then I'm told you can print this message, and bring it along to use as a 'free beer' voucher, redeemable by our esteemed Vice-President of WMAU on the night...... ;-) Privatemusings (talk) 22:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Meetup Time in Sydney :-)
Hi all,

It's meetup time again in Sydney - hopefully you'll be able to come along for friendly chat and drinks about all things wiki - topics will no doubt include the Chapter - perhaps with planning for the upcoming AGM, the general state of wiki-play, and the traditional candle lighting to encourage the mythical flagged-revisions extension to make its way on to the wiki. At this point, I usually mention that sitting wiki arbitrators are compelled to buy everyone a drink, but one of our number has taken a rather extreme route in avoiding this duty - if you have no idea what I'm talking about then you're probably busy writing and maintaining articles - but come along anyways on the 21st October, from 18.30 til late, to find out :-) cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

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