User talk:Taajir

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 * This map is derived from a 2002 CIA map, which is a public domain source. However, there is no source nor license information for this modified version. Also, it would help if the image cited its own sources for the revised information. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Somali people
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Hi:} Taajir, you cannot alter the CIA's map and then claim copyright for the new version.

But I know your information is correct so I have included it as text below the map. OK? Somali people

Jameswilson 04:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not sure that Taajir's version of the map is correct. I am not positive that the CIA's original version is correct, either, but it is verifiable which is Wikipedia policy. Please see my comments at Talk:Somali people. Thanks. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the info Taajir added is correct. If you google Awrtable for example you will find plenty of sites that say the Awrtable live around Burtinle, 70 km south of Gerowe. But we need a better map. But I know you are not allowed to alter an image/map. That's why people kept on deleting your map. You either include it as it is or you have to find a different map. Do any of the Somali websites have a better map? Or the UN, OAU, World Bank, Institute of Strategic Studies, charities, etc? Jameswilson 00:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

HAWIYE IN ETHIOPIA: This town is name after the father of the Hawiye clan that lives Ethiopia and Somalia. Link1: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/ET/7/Hawiya.html Link2: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/ET/7/Babile2.html Link3: This town about 8KM a way is named after the father of Hawiye who is Erer (IRIR) http://www.fallingrain.com/world/ET/7/Erer.html Link4: This link shows a town called "The Great Hawiye" http://www.fallingrain.com/world/ET/7/Hawuya_Guda.html

The Ancestors of Hawiyes are Buried in the heart of Ethiopia and there is evidence to support this. Please see the links provided.

Habib Abass, Ottawa, Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.170.217 (talk) 04:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Leelkase subclans in the Darod article
I've left comments at Talk:Darod. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:40, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Darod. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. Please instead discuss your proposed changes at Talk:Darod.  Also consider the fact that there is a separate article about Leelkase which goes into much more detail about various subclans. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 04:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

-- I wonder why you used a map that shows Ethiopia inhabited by only Darod. How about the Isaq, Karanle, Gugundabe, Sheekhaal, Hawadle and Habargidir (close to somali border). I hope you will use one that reflects the truth of the dynamics of the Somali tribes as a whole. Just tell the world something that is close to the truth.

Habib Abass. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.170.217 (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Darod
I am a bit confused. Are you saying that:
 * 1) Maj. Gen Mohamed Siad Barre is a different person to Siad Barre who was president of Somalia from 1969-1991?
 * 2) Abdirashid Ali Shermarke is a different person to Abdirashid Ali Shermarke who was president of Somalia from 1967-1969?
 * 3) Adde Muse Hersi is a different person to Mohamud Muse Hersi who is the president of Puntland?

I researched this a bit and they look like the same people to me. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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Gaalkacyo‎
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See WP:CITE and WP:OR. Note that "I know about these things", "I come from there", "I know him", etc., cannot be used to justify changes to an article &mdash; we need verifiable sources. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 10:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've explained the situation; if you keep adding unsourced material – without or especially with aggressive edit summaries, from this account or without logging in – you may be blocked for disruptive editing. Moreover, edits like this are vandalism, and will get you blocked even more quickly. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 11:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Mudug
Why did you change the order of the list from alphabetical; you gave no explanation:

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Leelkase‎
Your edit summary was not only abusive, it made no sense; you reverted a large number of formatting corrections, including bolding, removal of duplicate wikilinking, etc. If you continue to edit and to behave disruptively and uncivilly, you may be blocked from editing. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 22:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You say that I gave no explanation or justification of my revrting of your edits; aside from my edit summaries, what do you call the above? You persistently refuse to explain what you're doing or give sources, and when you do use edit summaries it's to shout at other editors and call them biased.  You're very lucky not to have been blocked from editing yet.
 * Please read our policies and guidelines, especially WP:CITE, WP:CIVIL, WP:Notability, and the Manual of Style. The next time you go against them you will be blocked without further warning.  Your Talk page above indicates that you've been behaving badly for too long.  --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 08:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Gaalkacyo‎, Leelkase, etc.
Do not remove templates such as sprotected2 from articles; persistence in this will lead to an editing block. Persistence in disruptive editing, with little or no explanation and so sources (on the basis, apparently, that you're Somali and so don't need to comply with Wikipedia guidelines and policies), will have the same effect. Given the series of warnings that you've had, there will be no warning next time; one more disruptive or vandalising edit, and you will be immediately blocked. --Mel Etitis ( Talk ) 11:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Read WP:OWN. You don't own articles just because you started them, nor does starting an article mean that you're no longer bound by Wikipedia policies. --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 10:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Your behaviour so far is such that the fact that you haven't been blocked is amazing. You've edited disruptively by trying to insist on edits that have no sources and that violate Wikipedia guidelines and policies, by trying to take ownership of articless, and by incivility.  I've tried to explain these things to you, but you're not interested; you prefer to shelter behing a paranoid delusion that I'm picking on you to make myself look good...  There seems no point trying to explain things to you any further, nor to point you to our guidelines and policies.  If you continue to edit disruptively you'll be blocked from editing with no further warning. --Mel Etitis  ( Talk ) 08:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Speaking as someone who hasn't been involved in this discussion: Taajir, I've seen the edit summaries you've left, such as "I will never allow you to distort the truth nor damage this article that i've been managing for years." As Mel Etitis has already mentioned, you really should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's official policy regarding ownership of articles. Remember, every time you edit a page, at the bottom it says "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly . . . do not submit it." Thanks for your consideration. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 14:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Leelkase
Taajir, thanks for contacting me. The lists of notable people have become unwieldy and mostly consist of red links. I think you'll agree that the result is a sloppy-looking article. Various editors have been trimming these lists so that they only include people for whom actual articles exist. If you believe an individual is sufficiently notable enough for inclusion on such a list, I suggest writing an article about him or her first, see whether it's able to stand on its own, and then add it to a list of notable people.

I can't answer for Mel or anyone else, but I know of another editor who is cleaning up the Somali clan articles. When confronted with the same question ("how come you did it to this clan's article and not the others?") he explained that he was working alphabetically. I suspect Mel would cite a similar reason.

I am confident that Mel Etitis does not have any anti-Somali or anti-clan agenda and is only concerned that articles adhere to Wikipedia's manual of style and policies. I would opine that Mel can be terse with his comments, but there is nothing necessarily wrong (certainly nothing uncivil) about that. (P.S. if you check his user page you'll find Mel is a male.) I can tell you that Mel is strict about Wikipedia's attribution policy (as we all should be) and he is perfectly within his rights when he removes unattributed information from articles. (Remember, the policy says that Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion is verifiability, not truth.)

I'm not sure whether this addresses all or any of your concerns, but I hope it will be of some help. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Reversions in articles on Woredas of Ethiopia
I noticed that you reverted the contents of 8 articles to their first form, which removed a lot of information that has collected in them since last October, but did not leave an explanation for these changes. I'm puzzled at this; would you explain your reasons for this? -- llywrch 22:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

July 2007
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I wonder why you used a map that shows Ethiopia inhabited by only Darod. How about the Isaq, Karanle, Gugundabe, Sheekhaal, Hawadle and Habargidir (close to somali border).

I hope you will use one that reflects the truth of the dynamics of the Somali tribes as a whole. Just tell the world something that is close to the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.170.217 (talk) 03:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

October 2009
Hello, regarding the Darod sub-clan articles that I redirected, please see Talk:Darod. Thank you. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have changed Leelkase back to an article, now named Lelkase. It is now a stub with attributions. See Talk:Lelkase for more details.

By the way, having re-read your talk page, I see that you have some long-standing issues regarding the motives of other editors (e.g. bias for or against a particular Somali clan) as well as ownership of articles. Based on your recent comments on my talk page and Talk:Darod, it does not appear that this has changed since your activity in 2007. The warnings that you received from other editors still apply. If you did not do so then, then I will advise you now to familiarize yourself with WP:OWN and WP:AGF. Thank you in advance. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Taajir, please remember to cite reliable sources when you add information to articles such as Leelkase. Also, you only need to add your signature on talk pages, not in articles. Thanks. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from editing. Other than helping out with the spelling, you have not addressed any of the concerns I have given at Talk:Leelkase. I'll also ask you not to describe my edits as abusive. You are the one reverting to a version that had long been flagged for multiple issues, then removed the "Cleanup" tag and called it a "minor adjustment". Going forward, I will consider any edit on your part that reverts to a problematic version, or does not address the numerous concerns with the article, as disruption. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

for. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make constructive contributions. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text  below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first.
 * P.S. See also: Talk:Leelkase. And as for my "Ethiopian agenda," you've also been warned, more than once , about questioning the motives of other editors. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:49, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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GYROFROG IS ABUSING HIS POWER

 * Note to reviewing admins: I'm not Ethiopian, but don't see what difference it would make if I were. See also Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive230 and Mel Etitis' previous comments on this page. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 03:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

here is the appeal i made to cambridgebay wheather, which i now appeal to all other seniour, fair and honest wiki administrators
i've been contributing to the article of the Leelkase tribe for years now, and i've all of a sudden came to discover that it was completely deleted at first and redirected to Darood article, for reasons still unknown. so i contacted our ethipian editor "Gyrofrog" who said after i told him that Leelkase is a subclan of Darood similar to Marehan, Majerteen, etc, etc, he then corrected that mistake. Afterwards gyrofrog changed the name of the tribe all together to something like Lelkase which is unused, and a spelling mistake, since if you google it it, the results of the name Leelkase shows 90% more results, then if you were to search under Lelkase. When he also corrected that mistake after i brought much proof to him. He did not stop there, but erased all the information about the settlements and subclans of the Leelkase altogether, and i questioned him why?? Why all the other somali subclans had a chance to write about their tribe, and write their settlements and subclans, but that he took ours out??

Please help, this is not fair, either do it for all the Somali subclans of the Darood i.e. Marehan, Dhulbahante Majerteen, and also of the Hawiye i.e. Abgaal, Murosade, Habar Gedir, etc, etc.

I cannot imagine why those other clans have a chance to write their never ending list of disorganized subclans and irrelevent information, while our section is organized and lists important facts.

Please help, and either intervene, or direct me to a someone on WIKI that can truley come and stop this abuse of power by "Gyrofrog".

Unreferenced BLPs
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 * I also noticed this is not the first time you've made unattributed changes to an official map (you did the same with Image:Somalia ethnic grps 2005.jpg.jpg). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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 * WP:V, WP:N, possible WP:HOAX. Can't find any references to the individual via various searches Gweb/Gnews/Gbooks/Bing/etc, using a variety of name permutations.  Unreferenced BLP for two years.  A request from 2006 to correct what is claimed to be a confused or patently false district name has been ignored.

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April 2011
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May 2011
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for recurring problems with your editing: WP:V/WP:NOR, WP:OWN and WP:AGF. Regarding your edit to Galkacyo, you haven't supplied any reference(s) to support your assertion about Leelkase in the area. I'll also note that other editors have raised this issue with you, regarding this specific content in this particular article, for at least four years. This is also not the first time you have accused other editors of having a particular bias (in this case, for allegedly belonging to a particular clan), and you've already been warned about it. And it isn't the first time you've cited your own personal knowledge as being authoritative. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Gyrofrog (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Gyrofrog, will you now sleep better at night after blocking me on wikipedia?

Will writings on wikipedia ever effect the true reality on the ground, and my tribes ancestrial land of Gaalkacyo? NO!

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