User talk:Tabulyantonia

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Proposed deletion of Fiona Sze-Lorrain


The article Fiona Sze-Lorrain has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

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Can someone help see if more references are needed for entry posted? Thanx! Tabulyantonia (talk) 17:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The deletion tag has been removed from the article by an administrator. —&#160;&#160; &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 17:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
Hi, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Your recent talk page comments on User talk:Tabulyantonia were not added to the bottom of the page. New discussion page messages and topics should always be added to the bottom. Your message may have been moved by another user. In the future you can use the "New section" link in the top right. For more details see the talk page guidelines. Thank you. —&#160;&#160; &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 17:25, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from Fiona Sze-Lorrain. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. ''Please read carefully the policy on establishing the notability of people. Nothing in the current article asserts notability. I am using the maintenance template to spur improvement in the article instead of just nominating it for deletion. Please feel free to discuss here.'' —&#160;&#160; &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 19:09, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your message on my talk page. Please let's discuss your article here on your talk page, or on the talk page of the article if you prefer.  Please reply below if you have further questions after you have read WP:Notability (people). —&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;—

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Hello! I've added reliable secondary sources to the entry created. Can someone help me check? I also found out that there is a French version to this page. How should we interlink the text in another language to the entry in English? Thanx! Tabulyantonia (talk) 19:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I think you still misunderstand the issue. No one is refuting the sources at this point, your sources are fine.  What is lacking in an assertion of notability.  In the article I mentioned above there is a section about criteria for Creative professionals that I don't feel has been met by the article.  I think it probably can be met, but some text (supported by the sources) has to be added to the article to assert that notability.  Just being good at something and well-liked is not enough, the article subject also has to be important.  I'm leaving the Help me tag on this discussion to help bring some more eyes to the issue.  I could be wrong, and if I am some other editors will help us both by adding their voice. —&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 20:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I've linked the English and French articles on Fiona Sze-Lorrain. In the left sidebar there's a "languages" section; that has an "Edit links" link that allows to add links to foreign-language versions of the article. In my view, the article's main flaw could be summarized as "too much fluff, not enough facts." For example, "she moves fluidly between American, European, and Asian sensibilities" - what does that even mean? Missing, on the other hand, is practically all biographical information beyond her place of birth - no date of birth, no information on her education, no information on where she currently lives and how she came to be there after growing up partly in New York, nothing on how her careers as a guzheng player and as a writer fit together (chronologically, for example). The China Daily article provides answers to many of those questions (but not all), yet it's cited for the "Shanghainese family", something it does not confirm. The article should be a summary (in our own words, not merely a collection of quotes) of what reliable third-party sources report about her; right now the impression I get that first we had a nice-sounding article, and then we tried to find sources that might back it up. Several of those sources are very good, but others, including the blog interview, are less reliable.
 * Notability seems a minor issue to me; someone written about in detail by the China Daily and reviewed in the Prairie Schooner should satisfy the general notability guideline. If there are reliable third-party sources discussing any awards she might have won, those might be nice to add. Huon (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree with Huon's assessment and explanations. I've changed the maintenance tag on the article to indicate the need for more biographical information.  Please feel free to ask additional questions about the article on the article's talk page.  I'm following there and will try to help with the clean up if needed. —&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160;Bill W.&#160;&#160;  &#160;&#160; (Talk)&#160;&#160;(Contrib)&#160;&#160; (User:Wtwilson3) &#160;&#160;— 20:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)