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Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies
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Shishi (movement)?
Are you sure you meant to say "Shishi (movement)" rather than "Shishi (organization)" (of the Ishin movement)? Wouldn't it be better to use "Shishi (Ishin movement)"? Seven 22:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it would be correct to say "Shishi (Ishin movement)". The "Ishin" is the Restoration, and the concept of "shishi" predates the 1860s. The point can be made that the "restoration" refers to the movement and not the events of 1868-69; however, since everyone revered the Emperor but not everyone was "restorationist" (as I said in the article, Mito shishi were an example of this), perhaps it would be best to simply rename it "Shishi (movement)". Tadakuni 02:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Er, my mistake, I meant "perhaps it would be best to simply rename it 'Shishi (organization)'" as you suggested. Tadakuni 02:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, the concept of "shishi" predates the 1860's. I only came up with "Shishi (Ishin movement)" because the article was originally specifically regarding the shishi of the Restoration (which might not be the best way to go about it) and I had only read "redirect Shishi (movement)" when I left the message. Seven 05:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

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User:Nihonjoe/Samurai
Hey -- you don't have to worry about removing bluelinked articles from the "deleted" section, no effort is being made to delete articles that are recreated, especially since Fidika has been indefinitely blocked. Mango juice talk 14:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay, gotcha. Thanks for letting me know. I've been trying to put up some basic stubs of some of these samurai, and, well...looking at this list blows me away. The guy made THIS many articles? Unbelievable! At any rate, thanks again. -Tadakuni 02:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

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Message from Shokatsu-sensei
Thanks for helping me to collect information of Amakusa 1637 (manga). Can you upload any images for characters' intro for me?


 * You mean of the historical figures? There should be a picture of Iemitsu somewhere...also, do you recall if Matsudaira Nobutsuna is in this manga? If he is, I can get a picture of him, as well. -Tadakuni 19:17, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, no. I mean the images/scans from the manga. If you have some, please upload.


 * No, I don't, and if I were to upload scans from the manga it might not be allowed, since it would break copyright rules. I can contribute historical information, and not much else. -Tadakuni 04:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Use of slaughter
I appreciate your question—one of my many efforts on Wikipedia have included removing the word 'slaughter' when referring to human death/killing/murder. My inspiration is the statement by Primo Levi, as listed on the Auschwitz article. In particular, 'slaughter' is inappropriate on Wikipedia because it reduces humans to animals and takes an editorial position on the death(s). I also amended Words to avoid to reflect this situation. Thanks again! —Parhamr 06:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you please weigh in on a related issue at Talk:The_Holocaust? —Parhamr 04:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Before I do, can I ask what relevance my comments on the "killing" of 37,000 Japanese Christians at Shimabara in 1638....would have to a discussion on the Holocaust? Okay, fine, both examples of violent discrimination against a religious group, but I don't think my comments would be very germane there. Also, no matter what you may think or what Primo Levi may or may not have said, many prominent historians have used the term when discussing the wholesale, methodical destruction of human life. See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slaughter for a dictionary definition. For the sake of joint cooperation I'll refrain from using the term on Wikipedia, but I'd just like to register my disagreement with you.-Tadakuni 22:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

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Titsingh
The rationale for retaining that extended Titsingh reference format in nengō contexts is less persuasive in something to do with the Edo shoguns. Let me think about revisiting my resistance to your constructive editing comments. Probably the logic for making a tighter citation in Tokugawa-related pages would apply equally as well in other settings -- for example, in those pages relating to the Kamakura and Muromachi bakufu. Hm-m-m. More later ....

In this same vein, I'm still unsettled in my thinking about on-line books -- the Google Books Library Project and the extent to which I want mull over issues having to do with the newly broadened accessibility of Nihon Ōdai Ichiran.   What positions do I want to take on this subject? I'm still undecided, even in the comparatively trivial consequences which arise from the various Titsingh references. Hm-m-m. More later ....

Contrary to what may appear as merely obdurate resistance to your good suggestions:
 * Please be encouraged that I have the good sense to appreciate the elegance of your recent edit to Gangyō-ji. All new work will comply with that improved citation pattern; and gradually, I will also modify everything else that I've written in Japanese era names up to this point.  Very nice.  Thanks.
 * I do also want to tell you how pleased and delighted I was to discover your recent edit to Tanuma Okitsugu -- when you added a link to Matsudaira Sadanobu, I was surprised that I'd somehow failed to do it myself. It stuck me as an elegant, graceful not-so-obvious addition; but I was pressured by something outside the world of Wikipedia, and the appropriate follow-though just slipped my mind.  Well, better late than never ....   Thanks. Ooperhoofd 01:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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伊勢の守
Hi. I noticed you changed the Abe Masahiro article to indicate that he held the post of Ise no Kami, rather than that he was governor of Ise. While the term "governor" in the modern Western context may not apply directly to that of X no kami, it is a term I have seen very commonly used to describe said post. I think we can safely assume that the vast majority of readers of this here English Wikipedia, including those with some degree of basic knowledge of Japanese history, will have no idea what Ise no kami means... thus, I rather think we should explain it out somehow. This is clearly the sort of thing that applies not just to Abe Masahiro, but across the board, to all historical figures who served as kami or shugo (are those the same post, or not?), and so establishing some sort of standard and consistency would be great. What do you think? Thanks. LordAmeth 08:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as 伊勢守 goes, I think it should link to an article about said posts, and how they became ceremonial after a certain point. And perhaps a list, as well; including not only the provincial ones, but the non-provincial ones, like Nui no Kami, Genba no Kami, and so on. I changed it because-- well, despite the fact that "Governor of Ise" is what Ise no Kami means-- it wouldn't quite be correct to say that he ruled over or was governor of Ise; the Tōdō, Hisamatsu-Matsudaira, Ishikawa, and others ruled over parts of it. Title in pretense, yes; but I think that when an average reader reads that, they're not going to think that-- they'll first think something like "Oh, what a powerful lord, to have controlled not only Fukuyama, but a whole other province, as well." It'd be like saying that Matsudaira Katamori of Aizu-- Higo no Kami (肥後守) -- ruled over/was governor of Higo Province; while that may be what the title means, it's not what he actually did (and I'm sure that the Hosokawa of Kumamoto (in Higo) would disagree, as well). I know that this is a very difficult problem indeed, especially relating to proper rendition of terms not easily translated or explained in a few words; I appreciate your asking me. Thanks. -Tadakuni 15:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * P.S. Isn't this called the ritsuryō system, or something like that? Also, I don't think that kami and shugo are the same; far as I know, kami was the imperial governor, whereas shugo was the later, Ashikaga-appointed provincial strongman. -Tadakuni 15:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes. All excellent points. You're right, I should have realized that (a) kami is an imperial title while shugo is appointed by the shogunate, and that (b) Masahiro's appointment as Ise no Kami is separate from the actual rulership of the daimyo of that province. ... Alright. LordAmeth 21:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * That being said, I think that the article to expand, with regards to this issue, would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokushi_(officials) . Bob T. Wakabayashi had an excellent article on this point, titled "In Name Only," which I saw on JSTOR while I was still in college. Also, perhaps this (the "Kokushi" article) would be the correct article to link such titles as "Ise no Kami" to. -Tadakuni 23:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, nice. Thanks for pointing that out. I don't know when I'll have time to start editing again in earnest, but I shall try to keep kokushi in mind as something to work on... LordAmeth 07:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)