User talk:Tamravidhir/Archive 8

Continued from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Child Labour: A Review in the Context of Nepal
So that means that we should wait for 15 minutes since it was created before tagging it. But if it should be immediately deleted then we should nominate it for deletion. and again docstore's content is in public domain. But it's again one's personal thesis. So in that case it should be deleted, na? I'm confused. :/ -- Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:09, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll bring it to your talk page as I don't see this as relevant to the AfD.
 * The rule is to wait 15 minutes before attaching any tags, unless it is a blatant speedy. What I meant by this was.... The other editor was questioning the timing of your AfD.  I was stating you were clearly following the rules when you nominated it for AfD.  The only time to delete it before the 15 minute time period is if it is a candidate for Speedy Deleregartion.  Examples would be a bunch of nonsense or something that is attacking.
 * This normally would be a case for a Speedy under copyright violation, but docstore's copyright is "Public Domain".  What I meant by this was... I found where the person copied and pasted from.  Normally the article would be a candidate for a Speedy Deletion for copyright violation.  However, docstore stated it was in the "Public Domain", thus it couldn't be Speedy Deleted.  Therefore, the only option to delete the article was thru your AfD nomination.


 * Looking at your user page, it appears you are from India. There is never enough people from India around here, especially when I have questions.  Very nice user page.    Bgwhite (talk) 05:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Aha! Now it is crystal clear...thank you so much. And by the way, if you need any help in any article related to India or if you have any queries or questions related India anytime then please approach me. I will really be very happy! :P :D (^_^; so many smileys!) -- Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:40, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And thank you for appreciating my userpage. I recently revamped it. I had to work a lot, phew! But it was fun and today I'm satisfied...and happy! -- Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope I didn't offend you...I just changed the section heading. It's okay, na? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Good-faith warning at User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom
Hello. I have removed your misguided warning. Please read WP:DTTR, and assume good faith yourself. If you have any problems with the edits of an experienced editor, like TRPOD, discuss the edits with them on their talk page, instead of just pasting a user warning on it. Thomas.W talk 16:03, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for removing it! And sorry! :) Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 16:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Junior_wives_of_Krishna
FYI for references of number of junior wives.-- Redtigerxyz Talk 18:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thyank you Redtigerxyz! I'm extremely sorry I didn't look for the reference in that section. Entirely my mistake. Thank you and sorry from the bottom of my heart once again... Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:31, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

A virtual kitten for you!

 * Aww! Thank you so much Prhartcom! I love the kitten and especially its eyes! Aww! Thank you so much ^_^ ! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:47, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Everest (Indian TV series)
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  01:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Am really happy today! This is my first DYK and it's extremely precious to me! Thank you for letting me know Mitchell! (I used a lot of exclamation marks, sorry for that :P) ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 04:11, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Tamra!! Prhartcom (talk) 04:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Prhartcom! I'm very happy and am satisfied not just with this DYK but also with the article... ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 04:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I just completed reading the article. Really good job, Tamra. I wish I could see the show. Also, I have been a big fan of A. R. Rahman for years and am excited to hear he is actually associated with this television project. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am elated to hear that you are excited for Everest but you can watch it in the US as I feel that STAR Plus is available in the United States (just check this!). And it is really nice to listen that you're a fan of A. R. Rahman. Even I love him, rather we all love him! Does that mean that you have watched Indian films and you have heard songs in Indian languages? Because in his long career he has worked only in a few English language films? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 13:28, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank-you for the link! Yes, after Lagaan was nominated for Best Foreign Film Oscar and I watched it, loved it, and purchased the DVD, I have been interested in Indian films and culture. I began by watching every recent Aamir Khan movie I could find, including Dil Chahta Hai, Rang De Basanti, and 3 idiots. I loved all the actresses in every movie I saw, especially Preity Zinta and of course every man's favourite Aishwarya Rai. If you had to reccomend to me one single Indian film I should watch, what would it be? Today I keep an eye on several Indian Wikipedia articles that interest me. Prhartcom (talk) 13:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Thank you for writing the article and nominating it. Hopefully the first of many! Best, HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  15:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Mitchell! Thank you so much! ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 12:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Reply to Prhartcom
You know what? I love to talk about India especially with people who are not of Indian origin. And you being my friend, I would love to recommend some films to you. Firstly, I would like to say that the masala movies don't appeal to me (masala means spices). So I don't like watching films such as Dabangg, Rowdy Rathore and Chennai Express. They may be good for watching on TV at home when you have nothing to do. But not worth 200 or 500 bucks! And even out of these some are so pathetic that they give me a headache. But I will never ever demean Bollywood. Bollywood has also produced some masterpieces, some classics, some evergreen movies which you will cherish for your whole life. I generally look for something new, something classy, something light hearted (not always though! :P) and something appealing. And here is a list of Indian films I love. But before I start the list I would like to clarify that the Indian film industry is not just Bollywood. Bollywood is just the Hindi language film industry which is a part of the Indian film industry. We also have other film industries such as the Bengali film industry (Tollywood), the Tamil film industry (Kollywood), the Gujarati film industry (Dhollywood), the Telugu film industry (even this one's called Tollywood), the Assamese film industry, the Marathi film industry and so on. Basically there is a film industry for each and every Indian language. But it's just that Bollywood is more prominent. So now I begin my list in alphabetical order (I have also tried to add English names for the movies! Some are official English names while others are just translations. I have left those which are difficult to translate; I have also included some age old classics - you may also like this link!):


 * The Must Sees -


 * 15 Park Avenue


 * Abar Byomkesh (Byomkesh Again)


 * Adaminte Makan Abu (Abu - Son of Adam)


 * Anand (Anand is a common name in the Indian subcontinent but it is also a Hindustani word meaning happiness)


 * Amar Prem (Immortal Love)


 * Aradhana (Worship)


 * Awaara (The Tramp)


 * Barfi!


 * Black


 * Chokher Bali


 * Chotushkone (The Quadrangle)


 * Dil Dhadakne Do (Meaning Let The Heart Beat this one's yet to release! But it's Zoya Akhtar; this one has to be good!)


 * Do Bigha Zamin (Land of Two Third of An Acre)


 * Do Dooni Chaar (Two Twos Are Four)


 * English Vinglish


 * Fashion


 * Gangs of Wasseypur – Part 1


 * Gangs of Wasseypur – Part 2


 * Goynar Baksho


 * Guide


 * Gumnaam (The Anonymous)


 * Guru


 * Harishchandrachi Factory


 * Highway


 * Iti Mrinalini (Yours Mrinalini / An Unfinished Letter / With Love Mrinalini)


 * Janala (The Window)


 * Jodhaa Akbar


 * Kaagaz Ke Phool (Flowers of Paper)


 * Kahaani (Parable) - This films beautifully portrays my hometown, Calcutta!


 * Liar's Dice


 * Lootera (The Marauder)


 * Monsoon Wedding


 * Morning Raga


 * Mr. and Mrs. Iyer


 * Mughal-e-Azam (The Emperor of the Mughals)


 * Noukadubi (The Boat Wreck)


 * Pakeezah (The Pristine)


 * Parineeta


 * Peepli Live


 * Pyaasa (The Thirsty)


 * Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam (The Master Wife and Slave)


 * Rang De Basanti


 * Raincoat


 * Salaam Bombay!


 * Shabdo (Sound)


 * Stanley Ka Dabba


 * Taare Zameen Par (Like Stars on Earth)


 * Tamas


 * The Bong Connection


 * The Good Road


 * The Japanese Wife


 * The Namesake


 * Udaan (Flight)


 * Vicky Donor - This is the first Indian film to talk about sperm donation.


 * Wake Up Sid


 * Yeh Jawaani Hai Deewani (This Youth Is Crazy)


 * Zindagi Na Milegi Dobara (You Won't Get Your Life Again)

Satyajit Ray is regarded as one of the greatest auteurs of world cinema. Born in Calcutta into a Bengali family (I'm a Bengali!) Ray has directed a total of 36 films, including feature films, documentaries and shorts. He was also a fiction writer, publisher, illustrator, calligrapher, music composer, graphic designer and film critic. He authored several short stories and novels, primarily aimed at children and adolescents. Feluda is one of the popular fictional characters created by him. He was also awarded honorary doctorate by the Oxford University and he was the second after Charlie Chaplin. Ray also received an Honorary Academy Award (the Oscar!) in 1992 and was decorated by the Bharat Ratna in the same year. He has represented India three times in the Indian submissions for the Oscar Best Foreign Language film award, the most by any director! And here are few of his films that you must (you must you must you must!) watch:
 * The Ray Films -


 * The Apu Trilogy - This consists of three films (Pather Panchali, Aparajito and Apur Sansar).


 * Shatranj Ke Khilari (The Chess Players) - Submitted for the 51st Academy Awards for Best Foreign Language Film


 * Charulata (The Lonely Wife)


 * And all of the Feluda films - Including those directed by him, his son and others.


 * Jalsaghar


 * Devi


 * Teen Kanya - Meaning three daughters (referring to the three female protagonists) this is an anthology film which consists of three stories.


 * Now the last and the final one...
 * Apur Panchali - This film by Kaushik Ganguly is a masterpiece! Nothing can be said about this film. You will have to watch it. I was awestruck after watching this film. Remember I talked about the film Pather Panchali? There the main character of Apu (who is actually the protagonist of the entire trilogy) was played by Subir Banerjee but in the sequel to it he was replaced by someone else. After doing this film he just never ventured into films again and no one knew of his whereabouts. Much later he was tracked down and later this film was made. Apur Panchali basically portrays the life of Banerjee after working in Pather Panchali and strikingly his life and the life of Apu (i.e. the character he portrayed) are a lot similar.Apur Panchali's director Kaushik Ganguly]] won the Best Director for this film in the 44th International Film Festival of India (IFFI) in November 2013.

Tamra vidhir (talk!) 12:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey! You adorable thing, you, I said recommend "one single" Indian film! That's not one; can't you count?? :-) You must like Indian movies or something. Okay, I have added Apur Panchali to my Netflix queue, although it said it the DVD is not out yet, over here, so I have to wait. When it added it, it told me Dil Chahta Hai was available to watch instantly so I started watching it, but it turned out to be Veer-Zaara instead. (Netflix must be confused between the two.) But I saw it had Preity Zinta in it so I started watching it. :-) I will consider watching some of the one hundred or so films you recommend above before I die, if I can. Thank-you, Tamra! (Sorry for not replying sooner.)  See you around. Prhartcom (talk) 23:55, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Update: Oh my gosh, Netflix thought Apur Panchali was the same thing as Pather Panchali. I guess Netflix gets very confused about Indian films. And it returns nothing when I search it for Apur Panchali; it has never heard of it. :-P Prhartcom (talk) 00:10, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Really hearing this seems that Netflix is really confused! Apur Panchali and Pather Panchali are related but not same. And I don't know how it confused Veer-Zara with Dil Chahta hai. That's something funny. But you talk 'bout Preity Zinta! Yes, she's beautiful but there are also other ladies...other beauties1 Wanna know? Check this, this and also this. Some I would love to mention specially here...Madhubala, Sharmila Tagore, Aishwarya Rai Bachchan, Sonam Kapoor, Gayatri Devi, Suchitra Sen and Shabana Azmi...and please do watch all the films...please! :P


 * I would also recommend that you watch Raise The Red Lantern and Farewell My Concubine. These are not Indian films but Chinese. I love both these films! They are masterpieces!  Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 05:40, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that watch Kahaani, Jodha Akbar, Mughal-e-Azam, Pather Panchali, Noukadubi, Raincoat, Chokher Bali, Tamas, Sahib Biwi Aur Ghulam and Wake Up Sid first. Note that in some cases there have been more than one film with the same name. So please make sure that they are the films which I have actually mentioned. You can see those wikilinks above to ensure that they are the one which I mean. You can cross check the director' name and the year given for a particular movie in Netflix with that given in the Wikipedia article of that film. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I did see those two Chinese films. Of those nine Indian films, which one would you recommend? Send me an email too. Prhartcom (talk) 15:40, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Prhartcom! I don't use mail nowadays...and it's really great to hear that you have watched those two Chinese films but if to recommend any one of those nine Indian films I would say watch Kahaani first followed by Jodhaa Akbar (note - if we ignore the fact that Jodhaa Akbar is historically inaccurate then it's wonderful; it is set in the Mughal era during the reign of the thirdrd Mughal emperor Akbar and tells the tale of him and his wife, Jodhaa Bai, a Rajput Hindu). Tamra vidhir (talk!) 17:53, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Prhartcom once you have finished with Kahaani followed by Jodhaa Akbar I would suggest tat you watch these following films in the given order:

Now I won't talk much! But I can bet that if you watch just these six films then you will never forget me and you will fall in love with these... Tamra vidhir (talk!) 06:44, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Chokher Baali
 * Raincoat
 * Wake Up Sid
 * Black
 * Oh yeah! And also The Last Lear! How can I forget this!? This film's in English son you won't have any probs Prhartcom... Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:59, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * And yeah The Last Lear features not only Preity Zinta but also Big B (Amitabh Bachchan)! ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:01, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You are so funny, Tamra, because I only asked for one. I don't take the time to watch too many movies these days (and I must watch a recent adaptation of Hamlet tonight). So Kahaani is the one? I see that it is available on Netflix so I will watch it; it sounds very interesting. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know! It's impossible to watch so many films...but please do watch Kahaani, Jodha Akbar, Raincoat, Chokher Bali, Wake Up Sid and Apur Panchali (now no more films!). And by today I hope that you have watched Kahaani. If yes then how was it!? And you know what earlier I didn't use to watch English films much. But for the last 6-7 months I have been watching loads of them. For example, take yesterday when I watched three great and awesome films in a row - Sherlock Holmes, The Silence of the Lambs and The Godfather. By the way, Parhartcom, could you please suggest me some films. Please please please! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 11:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Tamra, I will watch that one soon. I just finished Hamlet, and it was wonderful, and it is an adaptation of perhaps the greatest English language play ever written, so I recommend it. (There is more than one adaptation; this good one was produced in 2009 by the Royal Shakespeare Company staring David Tennant.) Prhartcom (talk) 12:51, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * If you choose to watch it, in case you have not heard about it, Shakespeare wrote his plays over 500 years ago and they are still being performed today, more than ever. The entire script is written in verse, of a type called Iambic pentameter. This one contains his famous "To be or not to be, that is the question" soliloquy. It is an education as well as a drama. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

You just reminded me that just this month a film by Vishal Bhardwaj titled Haider was released. And this is nothing but a modern-day adaptation of Hamlet and if to mention then this is the third film of Bhardwaj which is based on a Shakespearean work. The first one being Maqbool (based on Macbeth - Who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?) and the second being Omkara (based on Othello). Okay! I'll watch the 2009 Hamlet! :D Just this month I have thought to start having my personal film collection. So I'm watching as many I can and collecting as many I want to.. Actually a few of the films out of those which I have recommended, I haven't watched yet. You want to know my list of movies to watch this month. So here's it: Really it's too big! But I promise that by this month I will watch the 2009 Hamlet. Thank you Prhartcom! :) ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 14:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Black Swan
 * Monsoon Wedding
 * Tahar Namti Ranjana (Thy Name Is Ranjana; this one's a telefilm)
 * Spring in a Small Town
 * Mr. and Mrs. Iyer
 * The Japanese Wife
 * Tiktiki (Lizard)
 * Amu
 * Chokher Bali (Now this one's difficult to translate as it's metaphorical but it literally means sand of/in the eyes)
 * Dutta Vs Dutta
 * Noukadubi The Boat Wreck)
 * Parama (The Ultimate Woman)
 * The Namesake
 * Very cool, that (of course, I see now) there are great Indian films based on the works of Shakespeare. Of course, there are also English language films "based on" Shakespeare, and these, like those Indian films, are not Shakespeare. The Hamlet I recommended kept his original verse intact. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 14:28, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Cheers Prhartcom! :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 14:34, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with you Prhartcom! These films which say themselves to be based on a Shakespearean work but in reality they don't have the true essence of Shakespeare...they are like the Queen on the throne without her crown...they are not what a Shakespearean work is. I agree with you Prhartcom! I totally agree with you! ^_^  Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW, if you would rather choose a Shakespeare romantic comedy, I recommend a really wonderful adaptation of Much Ado About Nothing, released in 2012 and directed by Joss Whedon. Prhartcom (talk) 15:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Kk I'll watch that! But you know what nowadays (if to say most of the time) romcoms, except a few (I hope this one becomes one of them!), don't appeal to me much. But I have a great amount of zeal for slasher films, thrillers and mystery movies. I love them! I'm crazy for them! Do you know any such great movies which I might not have watched? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 16:06, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If it's a classic mystery/horror/slasher film you'd like, have you seen Alfred Hitchcock Psycho? Prhartcom (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Just saw Kahaani! Incredibly well done mystery thriller! And I could look at Vidya Balan's face all day. (I wish I could look at your face, Tamra.) Prhartcom (talk) 02:21, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Really!? You have watched Kahaani. Oh my God!!! I can’t believe it! And did you like it? How much a lot? By the way how was it? And did you see my hometown, Calcutta? How was it? You know I have always craved for that outsider’s view. An insider’s view can be biased to a certain extent. You enjoyed it? By the way before watching it did you know the story or the climax? Were you anyhow able to predict it? Did you ever felt bored while watching it? Please Prhartcom, tell na! And please tell the truth. I won’t mind! I am really mad and hysterical now! :P And you know waht Vidya is one of my favourite actresses. I just love her and also this film!!!! Aaaah!!! :P I would really love if you listen to the title song of the film. It isn't in the film but it is in the film's soundtrack album. The link to the female version sung by Shreya Ghoshal is (you must listen to this; you must you must you must!) and that to the male version by KK is. I just love these! And except these you have various other songs from the album; two of them being "Aami Shotti Bolchi" (meaning "I'm Telling the Truth") by Usha Uthup and Vishwesh Krishnamurthy (you must watch this for the video) and the sensational Rabindra Sangeet "Ekla Cholo Re" sung by Big B in the film which is a more modern version of the original one. And by the way I have already watched Psycho. See now I will tell you the name of the English language films falling under this genre which I have watched. And they are...
 * Argo
 * Black Swan
 * Citizen Kane
 * Flowers in the Attic
 * Halloween
 * Inception
 * Memento
 * One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest
 * Psycho
 * Rain Man
 * Rosemary’s Baby
 * Scream
 * Sherlock Holmes
 * Shutter Island
 * The Birds
 * The Conjuring
 * The Exorcist
 * The Godfather Trilogy (Part I, II and III)
 * The Silence of the Lambs

And I wanna watch Apocalypse Now, Black Christmas (the 1970s one; also known was Silence Night, Evil Night), Jaws, Rear Window, Se7en, The Shawshank Redemption, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, The Shining, The Taxi Driver and Vertigo. Tamra vidhir (talk!) 13:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I did not hear about or guess the ending. Okay, if you ask me to be truthful, I will say that I found the twist ending to be less-than-skillful writing. It made me think that the writing of Indian thriller films have a long way to go before they reach the highest caliber. It was forced and contrived, in my opinion. I was greatly enjoying the plot before it dropped to that level. Perhaps I am wrong, maybe I need to watch it again. A funny side comment: I was greatly amused by the filmmakers' innocence of computer technology, as I know something about that. Now, the direction and editing of the film was high quality, and so was Vidya Balan's acting. She is at the very top of her class, and deserves her Best Actress award.
 * I did not know until you told me that Kolkata is Calcutta! Oh my. Poor American does not know anything. Hey is that Polite Bob behind you? :-P
 * I just listened to the song you shared with me; I like it a lot. I will listen to it several more times today now. :-)
 * I am glad you have seen those Hollywood thriller movies, since you like that type of movie. You have seen many good ones. From your list of films still to see, I think you should see Se7en, by David Fincher, next. You did not mention The Sixth Sense, a very well-written story; you may want to see it soon too. :-O Prhartcom (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Update! I just watched Kahaani again! With another person, who told me they loved it! They said I was too hard on the writing, and maybe so, because I enjoyed the plot twist more the second time, I am happy to say. :-) Thank you so much for introducing it to me! Prhartcom (talk) 04:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I really don't know much about ICT and thus, whatever Kahaani showed I accepted it! :P And yes I agree with you. This is just the start. Indian thriller films need to go a long way before reaching its pinnacle. And yes Kolkata is Calcutta. Actually during the British Raj Calcutta was always called as Kolkata by the Bengalis, the natives and Kalkutta by the non-Bengalis, the Hindustanis. The Britishers spelled it as Calcutta which is an anglicised form of Kalkutta. They also pronounced it with style which many liked and even like today (I being one of them! :P). The "a" was pronounced like the "a" in cap and the "cu" as "kaa" and the "tta" as "ta". It was only in 2001, when it was changed to Kolkata to match the Bengali pronunciation. And by the way Prhartcom, who is "Polite Bob"!? o.O I have no idea!!! :/ And I'm glad that you liked the song. I am very happy that you liked it second time and you even watched it with someone else. Oh my God! Kahaani and India are trending in Dallas, Texas! Wooo!!! :D :P And okay I will watch Se7en next followed by The Sixth Sense. I see that the director and writer of the latter is of Indian origin; he was born in Mahé, Puducherry, India. And yes Vidya surely dserves what she has got. She has done so many different types of roles and films, which hardly a few have done. She's one of a kind. She's mindblowing! I love her! You can also watch her Bolly debut, Parineeta (the 2005 one). She won two Best Debut (Female) awards for her portrayal of Lalita in Parineeta and one of them is the Filmfare Awards. And as you have finished watching Kahaani I would request you to watch Raincoat after this followed by Chokher Baali followed by Wake Up Sid, Black (the 2005 Bolly one) and Jodhaa Akbar. Please do watch this Prhartcom. These aren;t thrillers but dramas and I bet you that you're gonna fall head over heels for them.Please please Prhartcom! Please watch them! Please!!! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 12:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Add-on -Prhartcom did you know that Calcutta was the first capital of British India under the British Crown. It remained the capital until 1912, when it was shifted to New Delhi (New Delhi is also the present capital of the Republic of India). By the way what did you feel about Calcutta? Please say, na! And one more query. Which song was it that you liked so much that you wanted to hear it all over again. Was it the title song by Shreya Ghoshal or the male version or the Rabindra Sangeet by Big B? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 12:20, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * This is Polite Bob: (here). I should have called him "Binito Bob". I learned that this character was so popular after the film that he became an Internet meme. :-O
 * I loved seeing Kolkata! Very crowded and dirty but charming and from a different time.
 * You know a lot about Indian history (for some reason). ;-)
 * I liked the female version of the song (of course, since I am me). :-)
 * Yes, I will watch the next title soon, and I will tell you when I have done so.
 * Of course yes, now I remember the director of the thriller The Sixth Sense is M. Night Shyamalan, an Indian. I will tell you that this movie of his, which he wrote as well as directed, was so extremely well-written and I was so dumbstruck upon reaching the movie's climax, that I immediately restarted it and watched it over again from beginning to end (and loved it even more the second time). He also cast himself in the film, in a cameo role (watch for a doctor character). It is very creepy so get ready for it. Do not let someone accidentally tell you how the movie ends. But something unfortunate about him: He immediately made several more movies, and all of them were absolutely terrible, I mean very, very bad, I am so sorry to say. :-) Enjoy it! And let me know your thoughts after you have seen it! Prhartcom (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aha! Now I get you! You meant Bob Biswas! And I see that you have learned quite a bit of Bengali. "Binito Bob" yeas that's correct! I like it! Ha ha! And he became quite popular! There was also an OLX ad in which he featured. The makers of Kahaani even thought of making a teleshow on him but that idea has not been executed till now. And probably won't be. And by the way, Prhartcom, I love (I love! I love! I love! :P) history! Although I don't like political history much but I love cultural history. You know the Mughal Empire, the Delhi Sultanate, The Renaissance and all that! And if to say (I won't like like to boast 'bout myself but it's a fact) then I always get the highest marks in History.
 * I had asked my friends about The Sixth Sense but no one has watched it yet. So no one could tell me 'bout the ending. I had read the Wiki article on it and saw that he has done a cameo in the film. But I have not and will not read the plot section of that article. That would be a spoiler!
 * Yes Kolkata is dirty (not all places but most!) but it still has charm of its own. The grand royal houses, the buzzing streets and so much. It's lively! It's lively! NaMo has started the Swachh Bharat Abhiyan (Clean India Campaign) but still a lot is needed to be done to make it a success! Yeah actually! And did you know that Cal is known as the City of Joy and is the cultural capital of India! yes, in reality! :D
 * And even I like the female version of "Kahaani" more than the male one although I love both Shreya and KK. And I will soon be watching The Sixth Sense Prhartcom! ;) Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And yeah! Please please please watch the films next in the queue and tell me when you do so. :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank-you for the Token of love and appreciation! User talk:Tamravidhir/In the scope of Tamravidhir. Prhartcom (talk) 19:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Continued and replied at User talk:Tamravidhir/In the scope of Tamravidhir. :) Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:53, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Oh!!! I didn't expect this! Thank you so much! My happiness today is beyond limit...thank you so so so much Yunshui! :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of my addition to the wiki page on Krishna
I take back my edit. Now I have replaced that with two minor edits.....for both I have added citations.Casey577 (talk) 19:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have replied on your talk page Casey! ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 12:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Your welcome & one question
Hi Tamravidhir!

Yum, thanks for the cookies! There're two questions I would like to ask (in case You got lots of user questions: there's no time pressure from my side):

1. If I like to write a requested article, is there any place where I can see if somebody else is already working on or researching for it? So I can avoid double submissions of articles or frustrating some one else's ambitions.

2. If I could write an article about a subject but have no (listable) source for my information (e. g. because the subject is a colloquial or outdated term for something or a regional food specialty with no 100% clear definition etc.), should I write it? Or would unverified content do more bad than good?

Thanks & Best --Lidanoir (talk) 16:49, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for replying so late Lidanoir. I'm extremely sorry! And I'm really happy happy that you asked me for help. But you don't need to worry! Could you just tell me the name and subject of the article you want to create as then I would look if somebody's already working on the same topic. I would rather not tell you now how to do it as that would be confusing. Once I've looked for it I'll tell you and as far as the answer to the second question is concerned then I would say that don't write an article without any verifiable/reliable source. If you have no source at all then it will be deleted any time or the other. But if you have any reliable source (RS) such as a newspaper/magazine article or a book which has been published or any article posted by an e-newspaper then it can be used as a reference. But forums and blogs are not RS. If you want to know more you may read the WP:RS article. But what is the topic of your article like? Something related to food (yum! yum!)? I actually didn't understand! :/ Please tell, na! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:36, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Good to know a source is basically obligatory. For now, I have two subjects (both listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Arts_and_entertainment#Other_.28non-people_and_non-organization.29) I could write about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bachwürfel&action=edit&redlink=1 (It's a confectionary named after composer Johann S. Bach. I have 3 sources from newspapers and the producer company)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mozart_Cake&action=edit&redlink=1 (A layer cake inspired by the "Mozartkugel" chocolate praline. Could name 3 sources from online recipe books + 1 source from a magazine)

In both cases I could write to the source proprietors asking for free pictures, if convenient.

Best Lidanoir (talk) 23:15, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Lidanoir I think that the sources you have mentioned are perfect. In case of books it will be better if you also get to know the ISBN code and add them. And the articles also appear to be very nice and yummy. I don't have any personal knowledge about them but I can still help you with the MOS, the layout and all those stuff. And I have checked no one's working on these topics as far as my search is concerned. All the best Lidanoir. The articles will be great. At times I may take time to reply but if you want help then I will love if you approach me. I will help you Lidanoir in creating these articles. If you want help from any other editor then I would suggest Yunshui. He's marvellous! But before you start the article I would like you to know this fact. Generally before creating an article in the mainspace users create a draft in their own userspace. Suppose you want to write an article titled "Elizabeth II" on Her Majesty so instead of creating an article by that name and then working you will create a page titled "User:Lidanoir/Elizabeth II" and make the draft there. Once's it's complete you will then create the ""Elizabeth II"and paste it there. Take my example, before creating Everest (Indian TV series) I had worked on it here and after it was over I pasted it. So before creating "Mozart cake" you would need to create User:Lidanoir/Mozart cake. Did you get me Lidanoir? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah and regarding the pictures I would like to say that if you get free images then it will be perfect but generally if it's a company/a brand (I mean Bachwürfe) then an image of its logo or advertisement can't be free anyhow. Such an image will be non-free so you will need to upload it to Wikipedia (not to the Commons) using the File Upload Wizard with a fair use rationale and fair use data. You can see these non-free file pages to know how to add these template and not get your picture deleted. The pages are this and this. For more info and to know the guidelines of uploading non-free content to Wikipedia you can go through Non-free content and Non-U.S. copyrights. But if there is any ad or logo or coupon which was published long back such that it's copyright has expired then it will probably be in public domain. To know whether it is in public domain or not you may go through Public domain and for the appropriate tag you can go through File copyright tags/Public domain. For instance take this 19th century coupon of Coca-Cola which is now in public domain. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

First: Great, I'll go and start writing the articles. As soon as I have one finished - as a draft like advised - I can hand it in for revision. So it would only appear in the mainspace if approved and if there's a realistic chance it won't be deleted. I'll see what I can do about the images and in case I'd be provided with some, will only upload them to Wikipedia. All Your advice really helps a lot a lot and it's also quite a lot to take in, so I'm glad I can always go back to the manual here. Maybe it takes me a while to finish the first article but I'll be working on it. Thanks again for helping! And before I forget: Somewhere I once read: Not answering to a non-emergency digital message immediately takes the pressure out of a conversation. I totally go with that :-)

Best Lidanoir (talk) 23:21, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


 * No it will surely appear in the mainspace because the sources appear to be reliable so it will surely appear in the mainspace. Once you finish what will be needed to be checked is the manual of style (MOS; just click this link if you wanna know more). That is whether the manual of style is correct or not. Just that! But it will appear in the mainspace and won't be deleted if it's notable enough (just click this link to know more). And make sure that you upload all non-free images to Wikipedia and free images to the Commons. Now if you upload the logo of a company then it's non-free but if you bake a cake and take a snap of it then it's free as you are the owner of the photo and you have uploaded it. And it's so nice to here that I have been able to help you! Really! ^_^ And if you need to keep an account of links to important pages then I would suggest you to do a thing. Even I used to go back to pages and look for the links but later what I did was I made a separate section for a list of important links in my sandbox (here). So similarly all users have a sandbox and you can also have one (I have created one for you here). You can make test edits and do whatever you want here. Just see my sandbox! It's a mess! If you want then you can also work on your articles here but so that they don't get mixed up you can always create separate userspace drafts. And you can also create more than one sandbox. It is like the buckets and toy spades you use to make sandcastles on the beach (should it be on or in? anyway!). And you can always take as much time you want to work on the articles and make the final draft. Remember that to make something good it always takes a lot of time. Remember that it took nearly 12 years to build Taj Mahal and more than 100 years to build the Great Wall of China as it is today. And if to confess I didn't get this - "...Not answering to a non-emergency digital message immediately takes the pressure out of a conversation. I totally go with that :-)" :( By the like chocolate lake is mozart cake a type of a cake or is it a product or a brand of some company. I really don’t know! :P Like Cadbury Dairy Milk is a brand of chocolate manufactured by Cadbury. If the case is the first one then the “C” in cake should be in lower case as per the manual of style and if it’s the second case then the “C” can be as it is that is in the upper case. And by the way what is mozart? :/ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the sandbox! I'll make a dive for it & for writing. Never mind the obscure quote "...Not answering to a non-emergency digital message immediately takes the pressure out of a conversation. I totally go with that :-)"}} It basically expressed that it is absolutely okay and normal not to answer immediately to a message which is not an emergency, even though the modern means of communication make it possible. Because the quicker one person reacts, say, to a mail or post, the more the other person feels urged to answer as quick or even quicker. So it's like a spiral.

Mozart cake is not a protected brand name. I copied a judicial decision for that to my sources. There is no fixed recipe for it but, as with devil's food cake or neapolitan ice cream, people associate a certain combination of flavors and baking style with it. If You order Mozart cake You'd expect a layer cake made with chocolate batter and a filling of nougat, marzipan and pistachio marzipan (or simply anything pistachio-flavoured). This leads to the answer to "What is mozart?". It's a common denominator of flavors and ingredients (like "Melba" in Melba toast) which all recipes labeled "Mozart" are expected to incorporate. No matter if the recipe is for Mozart liquor, Mozart chocolate or Mozart ice cream (all of which really exist). But since "Mozart" is no protected brand name and has no PDO (protected designation of origin), one could put the name on anything. One might sell a cherry pie as Mozart cake - but one would get in trouble selling a cherry pie as Dresdner Stollen because Stollen has a Protected Designation of Origin. No I really feel like getting myself a nice slice of Stollen which is no problem at all: Christmas candy is around in German supermarkets from about September to Februar :). Invigorated by sugary Stollen I'll then go for writing.

Thanks again & Best Lidanoir (talk) 18:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh oh! Lidanoir, if to confess then I really didn't get much! What I understood is that Mozart cake is like the "Little Black Dress". Any black dress can be called by that name but each of them should be black. So a black dress of any brand can have that name but any dress can't be called the "Little Black Givenchy Dress". Right Lidanoir? And I again didn't understand the last line of your message. Do you mean that you will start writing after having some Stollen and getting some energy? So do you mean that you will wait till Christmas!? :O :? :/ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:32, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Forget about the last line in my previous message. I was just trying to make a joke. I'm already working at the article so no worries. You understood the matter about the "mozart" attribute about right. Let's hope my articles are more intelligible than my messages. So bets for nowLidanoir (talk) 22:30, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No Lidanoir I don't mean to say that you aren't comprehensible and I am really expecting a lot from you! Very excited! I am really excited and just wanna help you! :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Thamradvidhir! I made the draft for my first article and I also have free images for it in store. Would You be so kind as to take a look at the article? The formatting for me is the hardest part. I just couldn't get the numbers of the references right. Don't worry, the text itself is not very long: [] I hope it's not automatically deleted by now. It said the sandbox would be regularly cleared. Is there a way I can save my drafts for a longer time without fearing they will suddenly be gone? Thanks for Your help & Bye Lidanoir (talk) 00:21, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * Oh my God! It works fantastic! It's fantabulous! This is going to help me a lot a lot a lot in the future. It will be of tremendous help. Thank you so much Shailendra! By the way how did you get to know 'bout this tool and how did you know that I wanted one like this? Now this is like a Christmas present! A present in advance! :P But how did you know? :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:57, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Stop Irritating Wikipedia
you please stop irritating me and wikipedia by nominating deletion for articles with references. Please stop behaving like a mental patient. I'll complain to administrators for banishing you for years. This is a last warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadman Sakibzz (talk • contribs) 05:08, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Mr. if you keep on creating such articles which are against the policies of Wikipedia and keep on being involved in copyright issues and violations then you will be blocked indefinitely. If you want to report then you may do so, see here's the link - Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. It will be you who will be landing in a soup, not me. Wikipedia takes copyright violations seriously as it is against the law and is thus illegal. You also don't assume good faith. You behave badly with me or anyone else then except that kind of behaviour. I will not take you for granted or ignore you. If you continue then I will report to an administrator. I won't let someone like you go away so easily. And next time please take the pain to sign your message at the end with four tildes ( ~ ). Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * And by the way it's not me who is irritating Wikipedia it's you! It's last warning for you Sadman... Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Sorry For Tamra Vidhir
I'm really sorry for my early behaviour. I used harsh words upon you. Actually I come of a society where a trifling fault leads to listen intense slangs. Very much sorry for my behaviours. At first I was jokingly adding infos without references which I knew but didn't feature in the net. But I've changed now. My articles at least point out some evidences. But of you disagree, you can teach me which kinds of references are allowed. Can I use infos featured in a celeb's facebook fan page? Why my images are always deleted? What it needs for being escaped from patrolled?(User talk:Sadman Sakibzz!) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadman Sakibzz (talk • contribs) 05:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Sadman I didn't mean to irritate you at all. It's really nice that you have apologised and stretched a hand out for friendship. I really appreciate. But before I start anything I would just like to give my view on a certain matter. See we all know that India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were all once the part of the same country. We not share the same culture and have a lot in common. And I have a somewhat idea about the Bangladeshi society as I am myself a Bengali. And thus I can say that yes, in most cases-but not all-a small cause may create a big issue but for that we can't say that the entire society is like that. And we shouldn't use slangs just like that for anyone Sadman! Not just for me, not for anyone. But anyway you have begged pardon and I will try my best to help you and introduce to the basics of Wikipedia. And before doing so if you want any help regarding how to edit Wikipedia apart from knowing the policies and guidelines then you may visit Help:Starting editing.


 * See, before starting any article a lot of work needs to be done. A lot. For that you can't just create an article and add what you know. As that is termed as original research. You should always support each and every information with a citation. Now what if there were no reference and you would claim that there is a species of dogs called the "mufflers" and another would contradict you to whom you would say that you are the master of one! Now, do you get me Sadman? Okay.


 * Now a website with just a list of songs can't be reliable. A Wikipedia article can't be used as a reference. Any blog or forum isn't reliable. But any book or magazine or newspaper which has published any such information is reliable. Now suppose there is book called "The Bolly Classics" which says on page 10 that "so and so" song sung by "so and so" was inspired by "so and so" song. Now that’s reliable but for using that as a trustable source you would need to provide the ISBN code. And similarly suppose a newspaper "The Day" published the same info and had the same article online in its website. That is also reliable. But if it also appeared in a forum or a blog. You can't use that source as a citation. And Sadman information on Facebook or fan pages of entertainers aren't reliable.


 * And Sadman whenever editing any biographical article (an article on a living person) a reliable citation is mandatory. Now if you know that "so and so" person is married to "so and so" you can't add that info to the article unless there's a reliable citation.


 * And if in any article you add original research then it is likely to be removed. Or else editors may tag it with the citation needed tag and if there's no citation given after months of tagging it, that information is likely to be deleted. And it is the duty and the responsibility of Wikipedians to do so. And Sadman never joke about Wikipedia. As it is not just you and me who see and read the article. Rather it's the entire world that reads it and think about and give their opinions not just on Wikipedia but also you. Please keep that in mind!


 * And now Sadman I would like you to go through the following pages:
 * Citing sources
 * Verifiability
 * Identifying reliable sources
 * Independent sources
 * Help:Referencing for beginners
 * Biographies of living persons
 * What Wikipedia is not
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia
 * Verifiability
 * Expectations and norms of the Wikipedia community
 * Here to build an encyclopedia
 * The rules are principles
 * Starting an article
 * Your first article
 * Too soon
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * Talk page guidelines


 * Also another thing which I would like to mention is that Sadman don't use terms such as "outstanding", "notable", "award winning" and likewise in your articles. These are called peacock terms and make the article non-neutral and subjective. Rather you should use referenced facts that demonstrate it. Now suppose there's a song X which you feel is outstanding and extremely popular. But you can't write that in the article. Rather you would have to use facts. Now, suppose that same song you know was ranked in Top 10 songs' list of all time and topped the charts for many months and you also have a reference, i.e. a reliable source for it, then you can add this instead of "popular" and "outstanding" as this clearly demonstrates that it was outstanding and also popular. For more info you may visit Manual of Style/Words to watch. And whenever writing any article please adhere to the manual of style (more info here and here) and see that it's notable. Now you might be thinking what is notability. Now basically, notability is:
 * Significant coverage - The article must be at least a few hundred words, ideally more, which are directly about the subject. A paragraph which mentions the subject in passing doesn't count. A mention in a list doesn't count. An article about someone or something related to the subject doesn't count.
 * Reliable - The article must have reliable sources. Usually this means that the publisher has a reputation for fact checking. These might be newspapers, books, or periodicals. Not: forums, fansites, MySpace, Facebook, YouTube, or most blogs.
 * Independent - The article must have Independent sources. These are not produced by or for the subject. So official website, or press releases aren't independent sources.
 * Verifiability - The article mist be such that it can be verified by other readers to ensure that it is not just made up. To do this, cite the information in your article.  Non-independent reliable sources can be used for verifiability.
 * And Sadman this is "the answer to life, the universe, and everything". This is the golden rule for every Wikipedia article. For more info you may visit Notability.


 * Now, I will be talking about another issue. Sadman please don't remove AfD (nominated for deletion) templates or tags from articles. That is termed as disruptive editing. You can surely remove the tags but only after resolving the issues. And even if you delete the AfD template, the nomination and debate would still take place. So don't remove the tags rather try to resolve the problems first. And whenever talking to anyone assume good faith. And (you have not done than yet but still!) don't make any attacks against any editor or threat them. That may lead you to getting blocked. And I don't want you to land in a soup Sadman. And Sadman whenever leaving a message on some one's talk page please sign at the end with four tildes i.e. these four wave-like characters ~ . And for ease when you edit the source there's a pen like thing in the box above the place where you edit. Click that and these four tildes will be added. To look what the icon looks like or to know more about how and when to sign you may visit Signatures. And for more detailed info you can read the whole page, i.e. the whole of Signatures.


 * I would like you to go through the following:
 * Competence is required
 * List of policies
 * Neutral point of view
 * NPOV tutorial
 * Edit warring
 * Assume good faith
 * Blocking policy
 * Vandalism
 * WP:NOT VANDALISM
 * Disruptive editing
 * Disruption not considered cool
 * Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point
 * Disruptive user


 * I will come back to you regarding the images soon Sadman.


 * And Sadman from your contributions to Wikipedia it seems that you are very much interested in song related articles. And if that is the case I would suggest that you become a member of Wikiproject Songs. It's like a team of editors working for the betterment of articles which fall under the mentioned Wikiproject. And then I would like you to go through these sections:
 * Notability (music)
 * Style of writing song related articles or articles on songs
 * The categories which should be added to such articles
 * Infoboxes to be used in such articles
 * What should be the content of such articles
 * List of stub templates that should be added to such an article if it's a stub
 * To know what is a stub or when an article is a stub you may go through Stub
 * Articles that can be used as an example or a model for writing such articles
 * Click this link to get enrolled and become a member of the mentioned Wikiproject


 * I hope I have been able to help you Sadman. And I'm really sorry. I know that you felt disgusted and irritated just because you were unaware and perplexed. But now, there's a lot of time left Sadman. You can change for the good. Hoping a lot from you Sadman. All the best and enjoy editing Wikipedia. If you have any question feel free to ask me. Cheer up Sadman! ^_^ :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 09:29, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar for you :)
I'm not in India but abroad and saw the premiere of the show. I felt reading its Wikipedia page. Initially I thought no one must have written about it but you gave me a big surprise. Very nice. Try to add more credits in a section at the bottom of the page if you manage to get it from official sources. Not so necessary but you may. Arjann (talk) 07:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Arjaan! Yesterday's premiere was also a surprise for me. It gives a fresh feeling. The direction, the cinematography, the music, the locations, everything! It takes you from the sand dunes and forts of Rajasthan to the buzzing streets of Mumbai and then finally to the snow clad Himalayas! Mesmerising! It's amazing! And by the way, yes, I do have to add a lot of more information now when the telenovela has already premiered. The cast, the name of the characters, more of the crew, the shooting locations and also I will have to add new sections such as "Response", Reception" and "Accolades" along with various other sections. I guess that this telenovela will surely be rebroadcasted by some other channel and if possible then it may also be dubbed in some other Indian language. STAR has various regional GECs. And there will surely be enough reliable sources (I hope so!) to cite information added to the articl,e and then you always have the credits (the opening ones and the ones at the end). :D Thank you once again Arjann. Thank you so much! ^_^ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 11:00, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Press Release regurgitation service
Re Everest - Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it is not a platform to regurgitate self promotional quotes from involved parties. Removal of such promotional bloat is not in any shape or form "vandalism". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Now neither do I want to get engaged in a brawl nor an edit war or anything like that. Nowhere does it say that quotes can't be added. I have requested for a third opinion and I'll wait for that! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 11:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * yes, it can be acceptable to use a quote from involved parties. But, you had over a dozen pull quotes from the involved parties, including the Marketing team! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  11:51, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * If that's the case TRPoD then I would like to say that I have requested the guild to c/e it but I'll still wait for the third opinion. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 11:54, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm here from the GoCE. Sorry for the delay, we've got quite the backlog (not to mention internal politics about whether we should be focusing on the requests or the tagged pages...). I'm glad to see that you two looked for another opinion and stayed rational about this. Thanks for that. Anyway, I have to agree that the use of quotations does seem both excessive and overly promotional...I'll be cutting them out. Sorry about this, Tamravidhir, I can see you've worked really hard on this page. Thank's again for staying civil, both of you. PubliusHadrianus (talk) 00:36, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia sources must be independent. Tamravidhir, as this subject is notable, independent and unaffiliated sources should be available. Prhartcom (talk) 14:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * @, , and : Here is a  WP:THIRD from :
 * Quotes are not disallowed, but must be used sparingly. Guideline explains: "Quotations are a fundamental attribute of Wikipedia. Quotations—often informally called "quotes"—provide information directly; quoting a brief excerpt from an original source can sometimes explain things better and less controversially than trying to explain them in one's own words."
 * If explained in text that the subject being quoted has a connection with a project, and as long as the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim, under WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:QUOTE, a neutral and properly attributed quotation from (actor, director, producer) is okay per guidelines. Under WP:COPYQUOTE, they should be kept brief under, but under WP:QUOTEFARM, a concern raised here is an overuse of them.
 * So and, even if seemingly contradictory to the essay WP:IS, we can have properly attributed quotes... but , they must be brief, used sparingly, and be informative but not unduly promotional.
 * Okay folks? Cheers all,   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 19:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Michael! This explains me everything!!! So are the quotes in the article Everest (Indian TV series) okay or is it that there should be less number of quotes and the present number of quotes should be reduced? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:20, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Quotes are okay, but yes... just far fewer and far shorter and far less self-serving. Neutrality above all.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 15:49, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So does Everest (Indian TV series) needs some work on the quotes which are there? Confused I am! :/ Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, work... such as THIS which converts a quote to a shortened concept presented in prose. Doing such avoids claims of WP:QUOTEFARM. See what you can do.... neutrally.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 18:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that Michael. I will work on the quotes. Thank you so much once again! ^_^ :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:05, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

per the 3O above: what part of "far fewer and far shorter and far less self-serving. do you not understand? Fewer means less - we dont make up 3/4 of the article with quotes. far shorter means that we do not include multiple full paragraph quotes. far less self serving means that we do not have multiple quotes where those involved are breaking their arms patting themselves on the back for what a great job they did. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  17:51, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

A suggestion
I have noticed your recent concentration on the contributions of new editor Sadman Sakibzz. Yes, the stubs he offered are weak, but not all are automatically non-notable simply because they are poorly written or poorly sourced. See WP:NRVE... notability usually depends on sources being available through diligence, and not upon their use in an article. And we try to avoid unnecessary bureaucracy. For example, his many song articles you sent to AFD could have far more easily been set as redirects to the various film articles, and an AFD discussion avoided... an AFD would be proper if someone disagreed and reverted the redirect.

It is generally understood that we have issues when sourcing pre-1990s Indian topics... so unless they are blatant violations of policy and not simply stubby with otherwise addressable issues, we tend to be a bit more patient and in less of a hurry to send them to deletion. Involvement of notables in certain older film projects would seem an assurance that the older films received media attention, even if not online or in English. And look to WP:NF's "other evidence of notability". As an alternative to WP:GNG, older films are often verifiable as part of a national archive, or as a major part of the career of a notable person, or have rescreened years later in festivals or as part of retrospectives.. so you might consider tagging them and see what a few weeks of editorial attention brings. Advise the editor where he might look for sources. Advise him on format and tone and style, as we always have options that are far less bitey to new editors. Thanks,  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that I shouldn't have nominated so many of his articles for deletion at AfD. I should have redirected them. I regreted not doing so later and that appears to be bitey, I know. But the only reason due to which I was forced to talk badly to him was that he called me a "mental patient' and "psycho" which were really too much! Thank you for pointing it out to me and opening my eyes Michael! Thank you so much! And I'm extremely sorry bit if to say then after he has said all that to me I would rather avoid his messages. But I will surely keep an eye on his contributions and do the correct thing. Thank you Michael and sorry! :) Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Michael could you please tell me whether articles of this website (tellychakkar.com) such as this one and this one are reliable sources or not? Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 10:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * See THIS. Started in 1999 by media and television analyst Anil Wanvari, the site Telly Chakkar (aka Tellychakkar, tellychakkar.com) has editorial oversight, and it would appear suitable as a reliable source and defendable at WP:RSN should it ever be questioned.  Interstingly, both founder and site have notability enough to support their own separate articles.)  Even nicer that it is India's most widely read online media, advertising, marketing & satellite television resource (see WP:USEBYOTHERS).  But as hyperbole seems habitual within Indian media and we cannot control the often-flowery tone of its articles, when using information from this site, be sure to neutralize the tone and give proper attribution.
 * As for the possible redirects, you can always return to those many AFDs and comment as nominator that a reasonable redirect is suitable.
 * And as for articles on early Bengali films, you might slow down a bit and give them time to grow. Remember WP:NOTFINISHED, WP:WIP, and WP:IMPERFECT. And as for that editor's reactions... while themselves uncivil, such angry responses occasionally happen when a new editor feels he is being WP:HOUNDED and his good faith efforts are being so specifically and quickly dismissed. First hand in friendship? I urge you to "be the better person", and offer to assist him in improving those topics. You may turn an disgruntled newbie into a friend for life.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 16:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Michael! And I will surely suggest a redirect and comment there at Afd. And am really thankful to you for giving your opinion on Tellychakkar. Yunshui had earlier told me that it was possibly reliable but wasn't sure enough. And if to mention then a lot, a lot a lot a lot of articles related to the Indian television rely on articles of this site. And one such article is Bade Achhe Lagte Hain, which I hope to make a GA one day (before which a lot of work is needed, as mentioned by my peers on its talk page). Now, this article's info in the "Integration episodes" and the "Response" sections depended on this website's articles. But TheRedPenOfDoom had removed it. I was gonna ask to others whether it's reliable or not at the place where such thing is asked (I forgot that place's name and link once again!). But you have relieved me! Oh, Michael thank you so much!!! And now I will be the the better person. It's so sweet of Sadman but he has apologised and I really appreciate it. And he has even admitted that he knew he was doing the wrong thing but still continued and ignored others and has asked me what he should do to ensure know such thing happens ever again. And now i will help him! Thank you Michael! Thank you so much!^_^   Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 15:05, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The source may still be taken to WP:RSN, but as noted above is defendable as a source. TRPOD is a fine editor, but RSN brings in more eyes.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 18:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Michael I have started a discussion regarding tellychakkar.com at RSN. The link to the discussion is here. :) Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:20, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Reliable Source
Please do not add or change content, as you did to Bade Achhe Lagte Hain, without verifying it by citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Tellychakkar.com is media wing of PR firm not a reliable source with a rep for fact checking and accuracy. To keep the content add the reliable source to confirm the ratings. Aryan.for.you (talk) 08:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear Mr. Aryan please don't leave false messages on talk pages. It's a violation of the talk page guidelines. Don't remove reliable sources from articles as you did in Bade Achhe Lagte Hain. A discussion regarding Tellychakkar is ongoing here. Please resolve the matter their first. After a consensus is reached it will be decided whether to remove it or not. Wikipedia uses consensus not voting. Thank you Aryan! Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:18, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with discussion but till the decision come out you can't say it reliable source. tellychakkar.com is still a gossips site not a reliable site for sourcesAryan.for.you (talk) 08:42, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Aryan I said earlier Wikipedia uses consensus and not voting. We all have to wait until a consensus is reached. Please adhere to the norms and guidelines of Wikipedia and don't violate them. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 08:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyright question
Hi there, I just saw your question at Yunshui's user talk page. As a rule of thumb, all content published elsewhere is copyrighted and non-free. But there certain exceptions. Files from other websites may be uploaded at Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons if they have been published under a free licence, or their copyright term has expired due to old age. Creative Commons is one such suitable licence but it must include the opportunity for commercial re-use and of the material and derivatives (if you see any of these signs   don't upload the file). Flickr has a lot of these free photos but then most of the content from Flickr is marked with a (c), which means it's not free to use and will be removed from Wikipedia or Commons, too.

As to old age, there are two general indicators concerning the term of copyright with lots of complicated subsets: In the United States, copyright depends on the date of publication. Everything published in the US or abroad before 1923 is not copyrighted in the US, but it may still be copyrighted in the country of origin. European states usually have a copyright term of life of the author plus 70 years after which the content becomes public domain.
 * When was the file first published in the US, and for authors/creators from other nations
 * When did the author die.

I hope this little introduction will help you determine if a file is free to re-use at Wikipedia or Commons. If you have more questions, please don't hesitate to ask them here. De728631 (talk) 16:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh God! This is so clear now. Not at all vague. Doesn't beat about the bush and pin points everything. Perfect answer. Thank you so so so so much Dewy (I though what should I call you, so I added "wy" to "De", I hope you don't mind). Thank you so much Dewey! ^_^ :D Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 14:03, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

A caution
Please understand that when two editors (one established, one very new) have similar editing styles, make similar arguments and, while at the same time asserting everything on that site is unreliable ignore the rest of the "about us" that page, to focus on just one sentence on that page as factual, and being unable or unwilling to support their personal opinions through any actual research into editorial staff to determine if the staff has the expertise required by WP:RS or if the site has the required widespread acceptance... then know that nothing you write will sway them. Their minds are made up through conjecture, not fact. Best to step away and allow others to provide research beyond such personal opinion, and please avoid any useless back-and-forth or WP:WAX. Best not to WP:BLUD the discussion.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 18:57, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean to say. I am not getting a bit. The reason I'm writing this is to ask that is this section of Bade Achhe Lagte Hain undue weight on the article and are the quotes too. TRPoD claims so. I don't know. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 13:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * What I meant to do here is encourage you to consider WP:BLUD and WP:STICK. Best of luck.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry Michael. Sorry. Extremely sorry, and thank you for pointing them out to me. But, as I requested above, could you please tell me whether this section of Bade Achhe Lagte Hain is an undue weight on the article and are the quotes so too. TRPoD claims so but I'm not quite sure. Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 14:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

File:Bade Achhe Lagte Hain teaser (for episode 166).ogv listed for deletion
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File:Everest telenovela trailer.ogv listed for deletion
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