User talk:Tangerines/Archive 2

Caught in the merge crossfire
Just to say thank you for your help dealing with my opposition to the merger proposal for Bispham High School Arts College which linked into the Portsmouth and Southampton merger proposals simply because the proposer (who appears to have been using these merger proposals to make a point rather than discussing them anywhere) chose the school seemingly at random after they saw it mentioned on the Wikipedia Schools project talk page. Not being sure what to do about this, your help in supporting my opposition to the merger and removal of the tag has been really useful, and much appreciated. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦ · Talk 15:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome; it is a shame that Bispham High School Arts College got caught in the crossfire. I know how difficult it is to put together an acceptably cited entry for a school, especially one with a short history, having spent the best part of a day on Admiral Lord Nelson School (Portsmouth) back when the Portsmouth nonsense first started.

I must say the infobox and logo make the page look very professional, I must do the same later in the week.

You might find these links useful, assuming I have the right school.
 * http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=194298&providerCategoryID=32&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C119%5C%5Cs10_119734_20020306.pdf
 * http://education.guardian.co.uk/secondaries/story/0,,1437244,00.html
 * http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/index.cfm?fuseaction=summary&id=119734
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/education/06/school_tables/secondary_schools/html/890_gcse_lea.stm
 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/education/06/school_tables/secondary_schools/html/890_4056.stm
 * http://www.goodschoolsguide.co.uk/?103857

Have a good week. -- Drappel 17:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Simon Grayson
You're right, but I'm not sure there's anything in his article that could be included in the club's since it's mostly Grayson-specific. - Dudesleeper · Talk 22:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Blackpool
Regarding Bpoollad22's additions: I haven't had a chance to go through the article for a while, but he seems to have improved it overall, so I can't really complain at this point in time. Maybe bring it up with him and see his reasoning behind his additions. - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * My contributions to the article have been mostly cosmetic or largely focused on the Notable people section. I haven't lived in England for four years, and I'm not all that knowledgeable about the inner workings of the town itself; I just keep an eye on the article for vandalism purposes. I think you're better suited to make any changes than I am. - Dudesleeper · Talk 21:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no limit to the number of images you can add to an article (unless the fair-use criteria states so, which is the case with screenshots). You can always add a gallery section to an article (see here). What did you have in mind? - Dudesleeper · Talk 22:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Just wondering if the newspaper is still called the Blackpool Evening Gazette and not the Blackpool Gazette. - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Ultras
I don't mind you reverting me at all, providing that what you say is right. But, I am pretty much into ultra cultur myself, and I have absolutely no idea who that guy is, or have I ever seen his image on football matches(maybe I have but didn't pay attention to it). I'll check it out right now... Cheers. Sideshow Bob 22:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we should put it back, but in a different way, so it is not a mere list of websites, which is why is was deleted in the first place. And we should filter it out, so the list will contain solely the groups that deserve to be in it... Cheers.Sideshow Bob 19:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Matty Blinkhorn
Oops, sorry, I've only just noticed your question to me. I think you posted to my talk page at the same time as someone else, and I only saw the other person's. Looks like you worked it out for yourself though. - Dudesleeper · Talk 18:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was away for the weekend and didn't realise there was more than one new comment on my talk page upon clicking the link. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:05, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Blackpool Reserves
I think that sounds good. I'd slide it in between the "current squad" and "non-playing staff" sections personally. - Dudesleeper · Talk 00:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Oxford Speedway
Oxford Speedway used intentionally as it represents both teams. Would prefer it reverted.Hammer1980 16:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally I dont see the problem with Oxford Speedway. It says official site after it and is a direct link. Its a little pedantic. More constructive putting up new articles up than worrying about a link ! Nearly finshed finishing the CL section.

Yes I made the user box and feel free to use it. More the merrier. I now believe the are now almost three of us using it !!Hammer1980 16:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Didn't think for a minute it was your intention ! If you want to make that page up, feel free. I don't know how to do that kind of stuff. What is involved with making speedway a Wiki project ? Any ideas ? Hammer1980 16:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Lytham
Thanks for your corrections and notes. Where did you get the ISBN from? It references the right book when searched for, but the search pages list the same ISBN I have in my copy (0570-27118-9).

The history I have added is a short summary from several chapters of the book - I plan to add some more when I get round to it.

I've edited the Lytham section to remove the Domesday reference as this is now covered by the history. Keith Worden 19:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Loko Cove
G'Day Tangerine!

Firstly, sorry if I offended you on the other page. Us Aussie football fans, being so outweighed by the other codes and constantly battered by the media, have developed a quite infamous insecurity that leads us to think the rest of the world is out to get us. We get so sick of hearing about Andrew Johns being the greatest footballer ever that we just have an automatic distrust of anyone who knocks us.

I agree that you're right about Loko Cove not being all that notable in terms of very strict wiki definitions, but really (as I'm sure you've seen from that page) it is a huge step forward for our football community and to put it into perspective, Loko Cove would have had, in one year, more media coverage than 90% of teams got in a season of the old National Soccer League.

Sorry again for having a go at you, hope you realise that we're just all football lovers crying out to be heard.

Also thanks a heap for the help and the hints, sadly I don't do a whole lot of work on here, I only make little alterations here and there to grammar and stuff.

Cheers!

(ps. if we've sparked your interest in Aussie football at all, feel free to come meet the awesome mob at Sydney FC! [] (you'll probably also see where I learn to make nasty comments ;)) Edblax 01:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

rv is revert. rvv is revert vandalism.
Jooler 07:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Tibet
Good work maintaining the Tibet page i seems to getting an increasing amount of traffic!!! Is our Chinese friend still persisting? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you"    Contribs 20:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Chill out
Telling you to look at what you're doing is not a personal attack...I should have looked more closely too, obviously. Though all's well that end's well, eh --Hadžija 00:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry my tone was a bit harsh, it was uncalled for...but it was bit like putting Rangers as a London club or something. I know what it feels like when you fix up some article, and someone idiot just blunders in and messes it up again, so I can't blame you for reverting straight away. Here, I'll add some info to the article.--Hadžija 01:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Advice
I was just browsing and found this recently added article - Samspin Seems an odd article, and not sure if it should be deleted, although I am inclined to think so. Just it is an area I know little about - how and where to nominate articles for deletion? thanks ♦Tangerines BFC ♦ · Talk 02:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm always unsure whether to tag non-notable articles with a (proposed deletion) or a  (speedy deletion), but recently I've just been using the latter, since an admin has the final call on the matter. Whichever tag you use, just add your reason for why it should be deleted after a divider (, for example.


 * In my eyes, Samspin is a definite candidate for speedy deletion. - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've tagged it accordingly. - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Tibet
Today I've developed the Tibet article significantly -I have to admit I hate the PRC section it is so poorly written and unconcise because of all the heavy handed interference from our friends in the east. 1950-present is going to need a complete and I mean complete!!! rewrite and we must try to get some kind of protection from new users who are undermining it. They seem to think it is a forum for Tibet's inclusion in China. Then we need to think about condensing it a bit. I have also done much work on counties by adding tenmplates and have also creates articles on Tibetan festivals and the Tibetan National Anthem! Hope you are wel i await your response ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you"    Contribs 14:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

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Blackpool userbox
Dear Sir,

Many thanks you for the information on the Blackpool userbox, which I have placed on my page. Also congratulations to our beloved team on reaching the Championship. Amazing, is it not?!

With best wishes Leightonmowbray

Tibet's flag and seal
Hi Tangerines! I gave a short explanation in the edit summary and a longer explanation on the talk page when I removed the flag and seal from the infobox. Why do you think that my removal of them is blatantly POV? Do those two symbols represent the cultural Tibet or the political Tibet? Thanks! --72.75.55.194 03:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Argentinians/Argentines
I am intrigued by your comment that Argentines is to be preferred "as per what Argentines call themselves". What Argentines/Argentinians call themselves is argentinos/argentinas, and when they are speaking English they will use whichever English word they have been taught. The locical extension of what you seem to be suggesting is to call Spaniards Espanoles. There is discussion, although it never really reached a conclusion, on the talk page about this issue, and those adjectives had been left for nearly 4 months after that discussion. Unless you have irrevocable evidence that only one of the adjectives/demonyms can be correct, it seems reasonable that a mixture remain. Good work otherwise on the article. Kevin McE 12:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I cannot consider a conversation that you have had with one person from Argentina as canonical. It is not necessarily wise to take a snapshot of a Wiki page as an authoritative statement on linguistic style, but if you consider that valid, is there any reason to prefer the content of Argentina over that of List of adjectival forms of place names? Kevin McE 19:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yid Army
Hi. Sorry for delaying my reply to your message.

Having looked more thoroughly at the section on Yid Army in the Spurs article, I have to agree with you that Yid Army was tagged in haste and incorrectly. Of course all it needs is expansion (which I see is well under way), so that's the end of my involvement, and good luck with it. Thanks. Ref (chew) (do) 01:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/The Bhoys from Seville
Thank you for your contribution on the above AfD. Your time and effort is much appriciated. regards--Vintagekits 01:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dave Hockaday
Hi - I've recently created an article about Dave Hockaday who has recently joined Southampton as a coach. As he started his playing career at Blackpool, I was wondering if you could add anything to the details of his playing career. Ignore me if this is of no interest! Best wishes. Daemonic Kangaroo 10:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Your statement on Talk:English people has been responded to.
68.110.8.21 12:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the statements were not ad hominem, until User:TharkunColl began taking them personally and then blasting me with accusations about being tripe, "un-English", unintelligent, bollocks, on drugs or drunk and etc, so all I did was throw it back at him. Why not take issue with him for lashing out at me in the first place? 68.110.8.21 01:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

I made statements directed at a prejudiced establishment, that skews English identity to their narrow-minded favour. TharkunColl took offense that I even said anything, but I was only complaining about stereotypes I am forced to live with per my English identity. He bashed me for criticising aristocratic politicians, on the basis that I was not English. Hence, he was insulting me. I don't want to fit the mold of certain English stereotypes, so nothing TharkunColl says will matter. He is bigoted for asserting that I must fit stereotypes to be English. Also, he considers me American, just because I am posting from America. I don't like being taken at face value--prejudice is what I've been fighting my entire time on the talk page. He wants me to live with it, so I responded to him in the manner of him being an apologist for a hateful establishment. 68.110.8.21 02:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

All I am doing, is explaining how not all of my actions there fit into your caveat about the rules. I don't want to have a "broad-brush" description of it all, when there was clearly a "breakdown" of discussion. Since you barely contributed to the English people talk page, except for bewilderment at my first posting, I am assuming that you consider everything I did there as fitting the bill you placed on my talk page. That's wrong, but thankfuly not as wrong as what TharkunColl was doing. So, I guess you will not chastise someone equally deserving? I see. 68.110.8.21

All right then. I am now reiterating what I went there for in the first place. Watch and see how better written it is. 68.110.8.21 02:18, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

West Lancashire Football League
You cast doubts that clubs like Great Harwood Town, Haslingden and Netherfield should be included on the list of West Lancashire League clubs that progressed to better things.


 * Great Harwood Town were originally known as Harwood Wellington, and under this name were West Lancashire League Division Two Champions in 1977-78 (cross reference Great Harwood Town and West Lancashire League articles).


 * Haslingden were West Lancashire League Division Two Champions in 1980-81, and were North West Counties League Division Two Champions in 1993-94 (cross reference West Lancashire League and North West Counties League articles).


 * Netherfield played in the West Lancashire League from 1936-37 to 1938-39 (see Kendal Town official website http://www.kendaltownfc.co.uk/archives/seasonbyseason.html).

I know references could be given, but did not think it really necessary in this instance. Higherwiki 23:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments about the West Lancashire League article. Actually it was my intention to add more information to the new section on clubs progressing from the league - eg. the year they left, where they went, etc. I may still do this. Regarding 2007-08, I'll update the divisional members as soon as I get the information. Higherwiki 20:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Have a barnstar

 * You're welcome. I've seen your contributions around for a while - well done! ck lostsword • T  •  C  19:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Orangemaster
Unfortunately, since his "last warning" was over a week ago, he may not get blocked for a single subsequent offense. Much as I hate to do so, I've given him another "last warning". I've been keeping him on my watchlist, so if he steps out line again, I'll send him to WP:AIV. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Finngall  talk  20:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Nation
I presume you are aware that a nation is a group of people and not a division of land? The "poll" is there as a contemporary and common usage of describing the British as a nation - something you seem to be reverting despite the citation. British people and Britons are interchangable terms.

I'm going to do an awful lot of reading in the next few weeks to improve some of our "British" articles, as many of them are very compromised. El.Bastardo 23:15, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with this user also. A nation is a group of people - English people are a nation, just as British people are. If this contracts with a source you have on what a Briton is, then you need to supply it and then we'll have a re-word. Jza 15:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree (having just contacted that user!) with you on the British nationalism article. From my personal experience (from Oldham!), English nationalism has always been more hardline than British nationalism. The article seems to be missing context on historic viewpoints on this (Victorian, Unionist and wartime nationalism - which I view as much less right wing!). Give me a shout if you have any thoughts on how we can improve this! Jza 15:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello
Yes, I was thinking of that for quite some time now, it might be more appropriate for a setting like this. I will gladly support it, I am sure User Gravello might agree too. Bladesofhalo 23:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Copa América
The problem is not resolved with the "in use" tag because the problem is not a edit conflict, it's that is a Wikipedia policy to avoid doing many edits in a short time when not needed. Eery time a edit is made, it takes resources from wikipedia servers. Therefore, editing "live" creates an amount of edits that aren't really needed. As stated in Editor assistance/Requests, "Wikipedia is not a live journal/blog", "the article about the event should be written after the event is over and done with", "Wikipedia is not intended to be a real-time journal of events" and so. Garavello 23:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

My bad! I didn't understand your statement at first. Thinking better, it seems a good way to warn people not to edit during the match, altough the is not for that, is for major edits in the whole article. Garavello 23:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I am okay for that, as I stated in User talk:Bladesofhalo page. Garavello 00:00, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems we have reached a agreement, we will try the tag and see how it works. Great idea. Bladesofhalo 00:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Re. Copa America 2007
I've extended semi-protection for another 45 minutes. That should suffice. Regards, Hús  ö  nd  01:43, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Football discussion
Hey, thanks for your input. I've responded and would love to hear what you think.  JHMM13 (Disc) 00:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Copa America 2007
Apologies for causing a disturbance there, but I was under the impression that colour used in group boxes for teams qualifying by right of the third-placed "compare-off", so to speak, is a yellowy colour, which I can't remember the hex for but could look up. While I admit that I was hasty in my description of my edit, and when I made the edit, I hadn't yet realised about the third-place part (I remembered it just as the edit was being processed), still we don't know that Mexico will qualify outright in 1st or 2nd, vis a vis we don't know whether we should use green or yellow. In such a circumstance, I thought it more practical and orderly to leave the colour blank until we actually know where they finish. Falastur2 00:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the speedy reply. My point was not so much that we don't know Mexico are through - I acknowledge that they are. It's that, being the kind of guy who spends his life on Wiki as a code-monkey, I am under the impression that the established practise for competitions with such a situation, as regards third-placed teams in the groups, the correct colour in the boxes is a yellow colour, which you can see the basic idea of here. Looking around again, it seems that this idea has fallen out of practise, but I'm continually behind the times, and I probably made my choice out of personal preference (I'm very precise and petty with my execution of detail, and I prefer the ability to see exactly what the situation is clearly and concisely - hence why I spend all my time fixing infoboxes and match result tables, I guess - and that leads me to like to know who had to go through to third-placed play-offs in a single glance, rather than getting confused for a while when I see that some groups had more qualified teams than others, etc etc. My point was simply that since we didn't know that Mexico had qualified in 1st/2nd, we couldn't be sure we wouldn't be using that creamy-yellow colour for them instead. However, as I said above, taking a closer look at other articles, I now see that using green for thśem anyway is the standard practise, so any objection I might have had, I withdraw. Hope that you now understand what motivated me to make the comment above (it probably wasn't necessary to explain myself so, but I didn't want you thinking I was being foolish or dumb or anything ;) Thanks for your time, anyway; hopefully I won't make any stupid mistakes like that again. Falastur2 00:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI, I stated in the discussion of the article that wikipedia is not a "soccer analysis" site. When this kind of thing is done, it's striclty when there is a separate article for the groups like World Cup 2006. Garavello 03:52, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Game Progress
I know, I wasn't the one keeping the "In Progress" thing. On the other hand, I just think it is counterintuitive to constantly erase the "In Progress" that somebody else already put up when this will only further slow wikipedia. Have a good day! :)

Onechectomy
I saw you are in the Animal Rights WP and was wondering if you are against Declawing animals or Onychectomy? The userbox is located at

So just copy the title as you are viewing and put it with the and w/o the   to your userpage. -PatPeter 18:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: ICF article
Just so that you know, I didn't put the 'the' in front of Birmingham Zulus... it was leftover from a previous edit. ;-) Ryecatcher773 23:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Welcome!
Just wanted to drop a quick note saying welcome to WikiProject Musical Theatre! It's an awesome project and we've needed all the help we could get! So, thanks and welcome! --omtay38 03:14, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help today. We should watch for more of the same from this user.  -- Ssilvers 18:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Stephen Douglas
Nice job on that article. Porterjoh 14:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)