User talk:Tanner-Christopher/Archives/2007/September

FAD Starts
Hi Christopher. I've a lot of sympathy with your view, and trust me I do think hard about the Stub/Start boundary, and often find myself thinking "Technically this is a Start, but I'll call it a Stub because it does need a sort out". Or indeed doing that sort out myself, as with smoked salmon for instance. But do let me know if there's specific examples of articles where you think I've 'overdone' it, more helpful to point them out to me than just revert the classification.

Trouble is that the definition of a Start aims pretty low - you'll note that the example given for a Start hasn't been split into subheadings and has no inline references or illustrations. Personally I'd think the 'acceptable minimum' for an article probably lies about 1/3 of the way up Start, wikified and at least one element of gathered materials, unfortunately that's not what the definition of Start says ;-/ OTOH, photos do seem to be worth 1000 words on here, they are a big help for non-native speakers in particular, so I'll admit to being reasonably generous when considering photo content in the decision to promote to Start. That's maybe more of an issue for something like FAD where gathered materials in the form of photos of dishes are relatively easy to come by, so they may be contributed at a relatively early stage of the articles evolution. And I'd been thinking of doing a second 'pass' through the Starts once the Stubs and Unclassifieds had been sorted, looking for those Starts that are in that bottom third, and waving some tags around, as a way of hopefully pulling in some non-FAD assistance on that front. If you can think of a better way, let me know. But really my intention is to try and focus the Project's energies on those critical couple of dozen High Stubs that really don't have anything there, and then move on to the Starts that don't reach that acceptable minimum. It's the 'bad' Stubs I'm really worried about.FlagSteward 14:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter September 2007
WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter September 2007 --Christopher Tanner, CCC 23:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you got yourself sorted out with AWB - good isn't it? One thing you've got to be careful about is the text that goes in the edit description - as a AWB newbie myself, I keep forgetting to check what it says ;-/ The other thing as you may see on the AWB Talk page is using the Kingbot plugin for article assessments - I've only done Bovril with it so far, but it looks promising, not perfect but still better than doing it without AWB.  Cheers FlagSteward 01:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject F&D Newsletter
If you'd like, I can get GrooveBot to deliver the Food and Drink newsletter from now on. It has a bot flag, and it's user page is here. GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 20:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you just notify me everytime that you would like to deliver the newsletter, I'll run the bot and deliver it to everyone on the participant list. Would you like to deliver the whole newsletter to them, or just a link? GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 20:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

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Merrydown
The Merrydown article received heavy editing today by unregistered users, which I noticed at WikiRage.com. The article may benefit from a good review. According to Wikipedia Page History Statistics, you are one of the top contributors to WikiProject Food and drink. If you have the time, would you please read over the article and make any necessary changes. Thanks. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 07:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussions
Hi there, a concern expressed in your RfA was that you didn't have much experience of deletion discussions. If you add WikiProject Deletion sorting/Food and drink to your watchlist, you will be notified of discussions you might be interested in. Hope this helps Tim Vickers 20:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fish is meat though...
Really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyle112 (talk • contribs) 21:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I see now. But you need to stop removing that some vegetarians eat fish because their main issue is with the confinement of the animal and not of the killing itself.


 * I know that there are fish farms, but in places like the Pacific Northwest alot of the fish is caught wild, and says so on the packaging, and a lot of vegetarians will eat fish like that because their problem is with the confinement and not the killing, like I said, and I think that that reason should go into the article since its not that uncommon. --Kyle112 23:12, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --Kyle112 23:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * But you can add any touches you like to make it sound better, I didnt take too much time since I have to work soon. --Kyle112 23:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks great, seems to cover everything, thumbs up! --Kyle112 20:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Your RfA did not succeed
Hi Tanner-Christopher. I have closed your RfA. I am afraid there was no clear consensus to promote you. Please address the concerns that were raised and feel free to reapply in the future. Good luck. --Deskana (talk) 20:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I'm sorry your RfA didn't succeed - I personally think you were a good candidate and would have been an asset as an administrator. The opposition was mostly concerned about lack of experience in admin related areas and is easily addressed. If you're still interested in being an admin (and I hope you are) I'd mainly suggest carrying on as you are - reverting vandalism and commenting on deletion discussions from time to time. You might also want to have a look at Special:Newpages for articles that may meet the speedy deletion category. I have every confidence that you would succeed at RfA in a couple of months and would be willing to nominate you if all goes well between now and then. Drop me a note on my talkpage or email me when you think you might be prepared to have another go at it. Best wished, WjBscribe 20:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

CIA
Mention of Johnson & Wales is not the main edit that I made, and I'm afraid you were mistaken. The point of the edit was that the CIA has one of the best culinary programs in the world, comparable to only one other school in the US. If you read the Johnson and Wales article, it states basically the same sentence, only with the CIA. It does not necessarily have to do with the degrees offered, but reading the paragraph, neither does the sentence about admission or other requirements. It may be better to label the paragraph "Academics", or something similar, however, the information that was provided is important, and therefore should not have been deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.181.238.32 (talk) 01:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I did not "vandalize" your page on American Chinese Cuisine, I simply corrected the mispelling of the word "restaurateur." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.41.32 (talk) 21:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Food and Drink proposed deletions
On WikiProject Deletion sorting/Food and drink, I personally had no intention of taking these to AFD. The placement on the page was as notification of WP:PROD-deletion. They need not have gone to AFD if there was no objection to their deletion (i.e. left to their expiry). If you object to the placement of PROD-notifications on the targeted page, state that rather than adding to the already heavy burden of AFD. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Stove and Cooker
or Aren't these really in need of a merger

Looking at these two articles, they seem that they really are about the same subject. As one who is also in the hospitality field and deals with this type of equipment daily, how would you feel about a merger of the two?

I believe that in current usage a stove is now the cooker and the older terminology has fallen in disuse; if it is used it is usually followed by a modifier, like wood burning stove or coal burning stove as most now associate stove with cook top.

Jeremy (Jerem43 20:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC))

Beer Project update offer
Christopher,

I wrote a reply to your generous offer on the beer project's talk page. Just wanted to drop a note off here too, to thank you again for the offer and just to say hi and let you know I'd already noticed a lot of the massive improvements you've already made to related WikiProjects.

By the way, we had a lot of the initial stuff that spread around to the other food projects at beer first! :) --Daniel11 07:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your recent comments about WikiProject Beer, I don't know how long or how closely you've been following the project. My own observation is that it was doing quite well, with a large number of contributors and a base of articles that was steadily growing and improving, up until about a year ago. It was around that time that a handful of particularly stubborn and argumentative individuals (especially one in particular) became involved in the project, trying to rework numerous articles to reflect their own Euro-centric and often anti-American views on the subject. Once they entered the picture I found it became near impossible to contribute anything useful, and there was no real motivation to spend any time developing material when it was likely to get stomped on. I contribute to articles on a wide variety of topics on Wikipedia and have seen my share of debates and controversy, but nowhere else have I seen it happen as frequently or as consistently as it has in WikiProject Beer. For my own sanity I eventually had to stop watching or contributing to beer related articles, and it looks as if many of the other former contributors have done about the same. I no longer consider the beer articles on Wikipedia to be reliable due to the influence of the individuals in question, and I don't really see the situation improving as long as they remain active. --Mwalimu59 15:51, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

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