User talk:Tannin/030923

Thanks for your message, Tannin. What do you think about the Puma? Should it be Felis concolor or Puma concolor? In zoological references I mostly found Puma concolor, but admittedly Felis concolor is more often in a Google search. Furthermore there are some references placing all Felinae in the genus Felis. Cheers -- Cordyph 15:11 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * ITIS and the Mammal Species of the World site use both Puma concolor. I think I will risk changing the name in the Puma article ;-) -- Cordyph 16:07 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

We clearly need to sort out a coherent list of passerine families. I am in practice now working through the hbw list excluding Oz families. Using this list will involve changing some of my articles in due course, since eg the Turdidae in HBW is just the large thrushes, with the chats hived off to Muscicapidae, and Emberizidae massively enlarged. The advantage of the HBW is that it is also a world species list.

Many of the changes in the HBW list, for example those in the S Am endemics and the splitting of Irenidae into leafbirds and ioras are unlikely to be of great concern to either of us.

What I don't know of course, is how acceptable the HBW list is to you for the Australasian and S. African groups.

If the HBW listing is not acceptable, perhaps you could identify the families which create a particular problem, and with luck we can come up with a treatment of those on which we agree.

I won't be on line much today (work again), so no rush, Jim
 * PS - I like the duck!

I'm still not working! I've changed List of birds to the HBW order, but I'll leave it to you to think about passerine. It's basically just cut-and-paste now anyway
 * I'm not working as in I've got work to do, just not doing it (I'm self employed too). I have to go to London tomorrow and Friday, so that might get me better motivated. Jim

I've removed Acanthizidae, Grallinidae and Ephthianuridae from the HBW list to conform with HANZAB

My plan of campaign: jimfbleak
 * 1) Do basic articles for Campephagidae (cuckoo-shrikes), and four very small families, the Ptilogonatidae, Hypocoliidae, Dulidae and Irenidae.
 * 2) rewrite Turdidae, Sylviidae, and Muscicapidae to conform to HBW species lists
 * 3) write Cisticolidae (maybe - HANZAB June 2003 doesn't split Sylvidae, BWP doesn't, irrelevant to AOU, so it's only the South Africans trying to get their own family plus HBW).
 * 4) that's enough to be going on with

Good day, I know that this means little to you. But I support you in your argument with mav. Pizza Puzzle

Hi Tannin, as for your question about most important cat species accounts: I would guess, that the Wild Cat (Felis silvestris) is in need of an article, since it includes the Desert Cat (formerly Felis lybica), the ancestor of our domestic cat. And of course I don't want you to clear out. I appreciate your help on the cat articles very much. On the other hand, if you prefer to do bird articles, that is okay as well. -- Cordyph 15:11 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I wrote Hypocoliidae, tried to move it to Hypocolius and couldn't because there was an existing article. That'll teach me to search for even obscure families next time. Jim

Hi Tannin, I finally saw the note you left me on my discussion page. I will have to read some of the articles you wrote when I have some free time. See you on SF... User:Timwhit

I move the Phony War discussion (including your friendly remark (thank you!) to Talk:Phony War. I really hope you have nothing against that! -- Ruhrjung 16:26 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sorry, I think I've messed up your yellow Spoonbill. I sharpened just the large version in Photoplus but when I looked at it on Wikipedia it looked overdone. But I didn't keep a copy of your original pic and I don't know how to revert a "large version" pic. Can it be done? Of course, you might be happy with my mod. PS What part of the duck am I looking at on the pic at the top of the page and what's the duck doing? Great picture! Adrian Pingstone 13:32 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, Tannin. I noticed something inconsistent in the entries, but I don't claim to any expertise in classification. An egret by any other name ... User:Big_iron 11:39 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Progress report The following are the families for which there is no article. I've bolded the ones I'll do unless you want to, or someone else intervenes.


 * Casuariidae: emus and cassowaries
 * Anseranatidae: Magpie Goose
 * Atricornithidae
 *  Platysteiridae : wattle-eyes
 * Rhipiduridae: fantails
 * Monarchidae: monarch flycatchers
 * Pachycephalidae: whistlers and allies
 * Pomatostomidae: pseudo-babblers
 * Orthonychidae: logrunner and chowchilla
 * Cinclosomatidae: whipbirds and quail-thrushes
 * Neosittidae: sitellas
 * Melanocharitidae: berrypeckers and longbills
 * Paramythiidae: tit berrypecker and crested berrypeckers
 * Dicaeidae: flowerpeckers
 * Zosteropidae: white-eyes
 * Promeropidae: sugarbirds
 *  Dicruridae : drongos
 * Callaeidae: wattlebirds
 * Corcoracidae: white-winged chough and apostlebird
 * Artamidae: woodswallows
 * Pityriaseidae: bristlehead
 * Cracticidae: bellmagpies and allies
 * Ptilonorhynchidae: bowerbirds
 *  Ploceidae : weavers and allies
 *  Estrildidae : waxbills and allies
 *  Viduidae : indigobirds
 *  Drepanididae : Hawaiian honeycreepers
 *  Peucedramidae : Olive Warbler
 *  Coerebidae : Bananaquit

I'll also sort the following, which are taxonomically inconsistent at present


 * Passeridae: Old World sparrows
 * Fringillidae: finches, crossbills and allies


 * Emberizidae: buntings, seedeaters and allies

Jim


 * no pressure, there's no time limit on this. I did the list above


 * 1) because it's not too daunting now
 * 2) to give me an aide memoire (on my machine, not here)
 * 3) because there are some groups like the drongos which overlap all the Old Worldsouthern continents, so I didn't want to tread on your toes. I'm going to work up from the bottom anyway now, so no rush even to decide that. Put your feet up for a bit.

Jim

A layout query: for some of the larger passerine groups, at the family page I've listed the main groups plus odds-and-sods species, with the species lists under the article. This means that species names:
 * 1) are all listed either under the family or group article
 * 2) are not repeated
 * 3) do not form interminable lists

There are some major groups, like the hummingbirds, Muscicapidae etc, where no groups are written, but at least they fulfil 1 and 2 for the time being.

My problem is with groups that have some, but not most groups written, and look a mess, such as Emberizidae and Sylviidae.

I could either What do you think?
 * leave as is
 * remove unallocated species (tidy, but I don't like removing info, esp as someone might want to write eg a warbler article)
 * put the unallocated species as a list with a link, either on a subpage (wiki policy against) or on a subpage of my user pager, either in my sandbox, or perhaps better at species list

Jim

Guess who's back with an eye on New Imperialism. Lir/Vera Cruz, now under the name Pizza Puzzle. He's been behaving for the past couple of days, but I'm sure that he hasn't given up. I just thought that you might be interested since you came to the article's salvation last time when it faced the Vera Cruz death by a million minor edits. 172

Thanks, I'm just scanning in a few old holiday or aviary snaps. Most aren't very good, especially after scanning, but are better than nothing. Nothing like the quality of your artistic pics. Jim

I'm getting to the point now where there are just three or four families without a species account, excluding those largely confined to Oz. Two queries
 * 1) The majority of white-eyes occur outside Australasia, but there is a significant presence in your region. Do you mind if I do the basic article, or would you prefer to?
 * 2) Dicuridae is interesting. HBW has it as just the Dicrurus drongos, HANZAB has all sorts in the family (interestingly, the HANZAB list therefore has no species in common with HBW. I assume the simplest solution is for me to write Drongo, with taxonomy as a genus, which can then be linked from Dicruridae? Jim

I am trying to reconcile List of birds with Passerine. The following are in the former, but not the latter.


 * Regulidae: kinglets
 * Ptilogonatidae: silky-flycatchers
 * Bombycillidae: waxwings
 * Hypocoliidae: hypocolius
 * Dulidae: palmchat
 * Cinclidae: dippers
 * Troglodytidae: wrens
 * Mimidae: mockingbirds and thrashers
 * Turdidae: thrushes and allies
 * Cisticolidae: cisticolas and allies
 * Polioptilidae: gnatcatchers
 * Platysteiridae: wattle-eyes
 * Picathartidae: rockfowl
 * Timaliidae: babblers
 * Paradoxornithidae: parrotbills
 * Aegithalidae: long-tailed tits
 * Paridae: chickadees and tits
 * Sittidae: nuthatches
 * Tichiodromidae: Wallcreeper
 * Certhiidae: treecreepers
 * Rhabdornithidae: Philippine creepers
 * Remizidae: penduline tits
 * Melanocharitidae: berrypeckers and longbills
 * Paramythiidae: tit berrypecker and crested berrypeckers
 * Promeropidae: sugarbirds
 * Irenidae: fairy-bluebirds
 * Malaconotidae: bushshrikes and allies
 * Prionopidae: helmetshrikes
 * Vangidae: vangas
 * Callaeidae: wattlebirds
 * Pityriaseidae: bristlehead
 * xx Cracticidae: bellmagpies and allies (part of Artamidae)
 * Ploceidae: weavers and allies
 * Estrildidae: waxbills and allies
 * Viduidae: indigobirds
 * Drepanididae: Hawaiian honeycreepers
 * Peucedramidae: Olive Warbler
 * Parulidae: New World warblers
 * Coerebidae: Bananaquit
 * Thraupidae: tanagers and allies
 * Cardinalidae: saltators, cardinals and allies
 * Icteridae: troupials and allies

Most of these are "northern" groups, but there are some like Cracticidae, Melanocharitidae berrypeckers, Paramythiidae tit berrypeckers, which I think are Oz. Can you delete these if they have been absorbed into another family. Thanks for the Zosterops warning. Have you seen corvida?

--- Lir/Vera Cruz, now Pizza Puzzle, is causing problems on New Imperialism again. Maybe you would be interested in taking a vote on the talk page. 172 23:34 28 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Nice stilt - I've also copied it to Black-winged Stilt to replace the very poor pic there. I'm getting to the stage where most of the remaining articleless passerine families on List of birds have a significant Oz/NZ component, although some, like the flowerpeckers, are also much more widespread.

I'm quite happy to write a stub entry for any of the remaining families, but I don't want to trample through your patch. Can you let me know which, if any, of the remaining families you would be happy for me to do an article on? Thanks for the changes to drongo. I like that group, and its always a bit of a challenge to sort out the different shades of grey and black! Jim

Hey, I wasn't pushing (honestly)... still, a few more blue links.... I've written Eurasian Coot now, and used your pic. I'm tempted to leave in in Rallidae as well, since it's a good photo, and I don't think the article's cluttered yet; the American Coot image is just there until the article gets written. Big iron is doing a great job churning out the Canadian species, so its just a matter of time I imagine. Jim

Any problems with species lists, I'm your man! I've completed the Artamidae lists. If you let me know, I'll dump formatted species lists for whatever families you want (it's actually easier to do the family as a lump rather than adding species);  Jim

I've dumped species lists for pachythingies, bowerbirds and Dicalleidae, aand I'll probably do flowerpecker next myself, so that should keep us going for a while. Now, I'm supposed to be working.... Jim

-- Your presence on New Imperialism would be extremely helpful. The talk page desperately needs the presence of a neutral party well versed in the subject matter. Sorry for bothering you with this, but I think that you'd be the best qualified to resolve the matter. 172 13:34, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I've dumped species lists for 4 small families in my sandbox for whenever you need them (sitellas, berrypickers x 2, Ozbabblers) Jim.

-- Thanks again for intervening again. As you know, we've all agreed to establish an executive summary/series liked to daughter articles. I'd like to know what you think of replacing the main article with this. 172 05:46, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Tony, I've just spotted this in the Mailing List ....

''did anyone nominate Jimfbleak and Arpingstone yet? If not, we should. They are both careful, hardworking contributors, with level heads and a proven record of solid contributions.''

I am highly flattered but would decline to be a Sysop. I enjoy my speciality (illustrations) too much to want to do anything else at all. I've now put on approx 500 pics (and it's really 1000 because I always add the option of a large pic) and don't think I could ever run out.

Thanks for your very nice suggestion, best wishes ...... Adrian Pingstone 22:45, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC) -- Hi Tannin. Would you support my request for adminship? I enjoyed working with you on the Edmund Burke article and I'd appreciate your support. Thanks. Chadloder 20:00, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Great stuff at Image:Australian-Pelicans-s.jpg. Koyaanis Qatsi 08:59, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Welcome back - look forward to seeing the pics. Birds have ground to a halt a bit recently - I think User:Big iron must be on his/her holidays too - and I've been taking advantage of the heatwave to do a few Butterfly articles, and even a plant image (with butterflies) at Buddleia.

Temperature nearly broke the UK record on Wednesday, and may do so tomorrow ( the record is - wait for it - 37.1 Celsius (99F) -there, I knew you would be impressed! The railways have ground to a near halt because the rails are not designed to cope at above 30!) Jim

Brilliant pics!. I finally got to running through your contributions page. I was particularly impressed by the treecreeper, because I know how difficult it is to get good pics of passerines, and the Sugar Glider was terrific too-I didn't even know what kind of mammal it was. Jim

Only just seen your message, in London all day yesterday. Species list at Falconidae now, you'll just need to tweak it. I suppose that Cathartiformes makes sense, since these are clearly distinct from the other families. As you indicate, I have no strong feeling about Falconiformes anyway.

I made a diversion to see a Least Sandpiper (image may not be on first page) on my way to London, and only when I got there did I realise I left my camera at home. Annoying, since this was both very obliging and very rare in the UK. I've got some urgent work to do, so I'll only be wikiing on-and-off for the next couple of days.

Jim

Hi Tannin. I avoid to write it on User:JoeM/ban as it seems not well accepted to make fun of political opinions. But I think I could have an infinte patience to discuss with JoeM if it can chage his political agenda that include (well more or less) droping the big one on my face to explain me what is democracy ;-) Ericd 04:30, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Waouhh ! Great photo. Ericd 04:31, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your corrections in the Strait of Magellan article. But there's one doubt I have after I read your additions: You typed:

'' Before the creation of the Panama canal, this was the second-most travelled way to pass from the Atlantic to the Pacific sea. ''.

Where's the first most travelled way?

User:Carlos.yanez 23:19, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Waouhh ! Great photo. Ericd 04:31, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Uh. Yeah. okay. RickK 04:16, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Which part of the bird is in the Image:Blue-billed-Duck-655.jpg photo? Is it the tail or the wing? --Menchi 04:16, Aug 27, 2003 (UTC)

Hello Tannin

Btw, we are two, perhaps three, currently working on the ecoregion project on the fr wiki. I'll put energy in it again after the promotion time is over. Anthère

yes, I noticed you were not much here recently :-) And I mostly on fr these days :-) We'll try to progress over there, if only to set some stuff on our own regions and progress on the general scheme. I still have to do the stuff on conservation...Cheers and good luck. See you soon :-)

Busy is the word - I'm in court tomorrow (as an expert witness, not a recidivist). Yes, I'm still ploughing through the birds, sometimes being inspired onto a new tack by Big iron's ventures into waders, encouraging me to fill in some gaps.

I also did an article on Risso's Dolphin, having seen three off the [Cornwall|Cornish]] coast a couple of weeks ago on a short break, and expanded porpoise. BTW, Bowhead Whale has a different genus in the species article and in whale, but I don't know enough to resolve this (my only cetacean book agrees with whale.

I can't remember if I told you that my daughter's been making me envious with the birds she's seen in NZ; she's been to Kiaorua twice, surely one of the best places in the world to see albatrosses and whales. Nice to speak to you again, jimfbleak|Jim

Nice work on the bird & mammal orders! --mav 06:53, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi,

Considering you have edited in the whales area in the past, I thought I would let you know that I have started a WikiProject Cetaceans. It is rather sketchy at the moment - any and all contributions welcome! Pete 23:19, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Ummm ... the last page before the edit war on suicide bombing was by Hephaestos. reddi

Tannin, is there any chance that you could let me know what you e-mail address is? Just pop in something through my "E-Mail this user" entry on my user page. I'd be very grateful.

Arno

I see you agree with me about Timor Leste :-). - fonzy

Hi Tannin. I've just put together a register of Wikipedia developers, including phone numbers, email addresses, etc., which Wikipedians can use to contact developers in case of server failure. You have been selected on the basis of your upstanding character, trustworthiness and commitment &#8212; okay, mainly your timezone :) &#8212; to be one of about 20 people to receive this list. The only problem is that you don't have an email address registered which I can send it to. Could you please email me at t?starling=physics&unimelb=edu&au= (or something like that, I can never remember the right punctuation) -- Tim Starling 02:54, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)


 * I named the group as thick-knees because my standard text names most of the species (apart from the European one) as such. I don't have any problem with the change, but if it stays as is, we will need to change the name of the European species to the older, but probably still more common outside the text books, Stone Curlew. As you have no doubt realised, there is currently a cyclic reference with the present name. Jim.

Hi, did you get my e-mail?


 * That depends - if you are Tim, yes. If you are Arno, not yet. If you are someone else, not that I know of!


 * No, that wasn't me, but it's nice to know my email got through :) Actually, I've sent two now, did you get both? The second was probably filtered out by your spam software since I sent it to 18 people at once. -- Tim Starling 13:54, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

Nice work on the rewrite of Red Wolf. RickK 03:33, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Nice to know it's appreciated. Cheers, Cyan 20:36, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I'm sure you're a nice guy in person. But when you write (emphasis mine) "You have been unable..." and "Put up or shut up" then personal and nasty are apt descriptions. You and Mintguy have taken the lead on the article and I hold no grudges. Take the high road. Fuzheado 14:36, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Re:BBC and the PwC/FT list. Looks like they didn't look at the full list (1-100), which puts the BBC at 66 and CNN at 90. No mention of AOL on that list. Mintguy 07:59, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I've used your Purple Swamphen picture. I've assumed it's a wild bird, and therefore ought to be P p poliocephalus. Can you please correct caption if my assumption is wrong. Jim

Hi - is this your e-mail address? tannin@redxhill.net.au (minus the x) It does not seem to be working. Arno

That's right, Arno. I've had, oh, maybe 50 mails come through so far today. Tannin 08:15, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Re Purple Swamphen. Hardly worldwide, in Europe it occurs only in a few subtropical spots around the Med. I've seen the African race as an escape, and the head is much greener. The reason for my query was that I've seen the Asian/Oz race P p poliocephalus in India, and it looks very like the European race, which is why I checked. Thanks for the help, look forward to the pics Jim

Hi Tannin, I've moved your temporary article on Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy to User:Tannin/Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy. Cheers, Cyan 02:18, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The circumcision diff is pretty big -- did you undo 12.24's removal of large amounts of relevant material and POV edits before your copyedit?&mdash;Eloquence 02:03, Sep 19, 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, re: Bill O'Reilly (pundit) moving back and forth, the obvious question is then, why isn't there a WP article for cricket player Bill O'Reilly? At least putting a stubby article in place for him would make clear to folks why Bill O'Reilly (pundit) exists they way it is. Just a friendly suggestion. Fuzheado 02:21, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, please visit the White Australia Policy talk page and read my comment. Tell me if you agree or not. Cheers, Dr Adam Carr

must...educate...world.... Pizza Puzzle

Are you referring to the box marked New Imperialism -- heh. Pizza Puzzle

Tannin, I just read your Australian culture article and enjoyed it muchly, though I agree with some of your critics that it doesn't really read like an encyclopaedia entry. I am going to have a go at "History of Australian culture" so be warned :)

One question: what has the Australian Union of Jewish Students got to do with anything?

On another matter, I see you are an aviation buff. In another life, I am currently interested in systems to defend civilian airliners against surface-to-air missile attack. I believe they are called MANPADS. Do you know any good sources on this? Dr Adam Carr 13:05, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

What was wrong with my edit to Australia? RickK 23:16, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Tannin, you're too kind. I am pressing on with "History of Australian culture" but it's a bigger topic than I thought. Why don't you have a go at Australian economic history and Australian environmental history? These are big important topics. Dr Adam Carr 02:06, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)