User talk:Tanyavansoest

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Moving pages
There is a "move" button that lets you move a page, but you may not have it yet, since you're such a new user. I looked for this page you were talking about, but I don't see it anywhere in your contributions list. If you reply here and let me know where the page is, I can move it into article space, if appropriate. Friday (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your question on the Help Desk and your message on my talk page. However, as Friday said above, you don't have an draft article in your user space. If you let us know where it is, myself or Friday can look at it and decide if it is ready to be moved into the main article space.  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 15:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Getting started
It's not as hard as it might seem. Just remember that Wikipedia content must be based on good sources- we only cover topics that have already got significant coverage in other sources. You could start an article in "user space" by editing (for example) User:Tanyavansoest/Sandbox. That way, even if your article has problems, it's unlikely someone will come along and delete it. As for moving it into "article space", you could move it yourself (if the software lets you- I don't remember exactly how that works), or someone else could do it. Friday (talk) 00:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message on my talk page. As Friday says above, create your article and then worry about moving it into "article" space when that's done. I'd recommend that you ask someone (perhaps myself or Friday) to look at it first. I can't speak for Friday, but I'd recognise an obviously incorrect article that would be deleted - if that were to be the case, I'd be able to advise on how to change it so that it would be acceptable. In summary: (1) create the article in your user space (such as the Sandbox linked to in Friday's reply), ensuring it fits Wikipedia's criteria (see below); (2) contact myself, Friday or another editor (perhaps through the Help Desk, and ask them to look at it; (3) if it is suitable, move it... but we can explain that when it is ready!


 * Oh by the way, if you are creating a new section on talk page, it is considered polite to place a new section header, which is done by inserting   before your comment or question. Also, if you are putting a new comment after a comment you have left on a talk page, you would generally put it with your previous comment, and just indent it, using the colon :. Each colon indents by one level, thus:
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 * I hope this help - contact me, Friday or the Help Desk for more help! Below, I will post the message I would leave users who want to create a new article - it gives links to relevant parts of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 07:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating articles, etc
As you might have noticed.. Wikipedia is not centrally organized. This is a strength and a weakness. As you can see, if you want help, whoever has the time may stop by and help you out. As for your business interest.. that's a tricky one. You've already recognized that this is "discouraged" but not necessarily "forbidden". That's pretty much right. I would suggest, as both a business practice and editorial practice, that for people who have not yet gotten significant coverage in other sources, the focus should be on making that happen. That always needs to come first- if you try getting them in Wikipedia in hopes of other sources noticing them, it'll generally backfire. Also keep in mind that neither you or your clients will have any more editorial control than any other editor. So tread carefully. You won't be able to make the articles say only the things you want them to say. Some editors will automatically look upon you with suspicion, so you should be extra careful to be neutral, and use good sources.

One thing that people in your position could do, which would help both them and Wikipedia, would be encouraging clients to release photographs as free content. We often have to live with fairly poor photos, because the good ones have copyrights. See Non-free content for more info on this. Friday (talk) 14:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

PS. Sometimes the best way to learn is to just jump in and start doing it. I'd recommend getting started on an article in your userspace (such as in the sandbox link above.) When you think it's in reasonable shape, go over to Help desk and ask other people to give you feedback and/or move it to article space. Also pay attention to Biographies of living persons - because articles about living people have extra potential for causing people real-life problems, we try to take extra care in those areas. Friday (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Contacts with unconventional editors
You might want to edit your preferences to add an "E-mail this user" contact. This facilitates communication, and avoids the enormous risk of putting contact information on one of the world's most widely-trafficked websites for spiders to harvest. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  14:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep; a "Web spider" or Web crawler is bit of software that crawls around the Web looking for information. Some spiders are specifically designed to collect e-mail addresses for spammers to spam to; and search engines' spiders will of course index your e-mail address for anybody to find in years to come. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  15:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Images
For your images you selected the license "for use on Wikipedia only" although this is an option to pick, it is not actually a valid license to use on Wikipedia, as it is supposed to be free for others to copy. Fair use allows the use of logos, but they have to be placed on an article, not on a user sub page or talk page. Once you have put your article in then an image of the logo can be attached with fair use.

here is the log of what was deleted:


 * 08:04, 24 September 2009 . . File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009 (3).jpg (uploaded a new version of "File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009 (3).jpg": |Description = text reading: Singapore International Energy Week with date and small orange spray dot image to the upper right |Source = created by The Energy Market Authori)
 * 08:01, 24 September 2009 . . File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009 (3).jpg (uploaded a new version of "File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009 (3).jpg": |Description = text reading: Singapore International Energy Week with date and small orange spray dot image to the upper right |Source = created by The Energy Market Authori)
 * 07:55, 24 September 2009 . . File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009 (3).jpg (|Description = text reading: Singapore International Energy Week with date and small orange spray dot image to the upper right |Source = created by The Energy Market Authority |Date = 20 Aug 09 |Author = The Energy Market Authority |Permission = The E)
 * 07:50, 24 September 2009 . . File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009.jpg (uploaded a new version of "File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009.jpg": |Description = text reading: Singapore International Energy Week with date and small orange spray dot image to the upper right |Source = created by Energy Market Authority |Dat)
 * 07:41, 24 September 2009 . . File:Artwork - SIEW Logo 2009.jpg (|Description = text reading: Singapore International Energy Week with date and small orange spray dot image to the upper right |Source = created by Energy Market Authority |Date = 20 Aug 09 |Author = Energy Market Authority |Permission = Short quote o)

If the authority agrees to release the logo under a CC-BY-SA-3.0 license then it is counted as free enough to use on Wikipedia without fair use restrictions. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I can help you get the picture back, but you seemed to have no problem uploading yourself. You are probably a distant relative of mine then!  If you email me the names of your Frisian great grandparents, I can do some checking into that possibility. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:41, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I've userfied your draft for clarity (such things shouldn't be on the talk page)
See User:Tanyavansoest/Singapore International Energy Week. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  17:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Gotzen
I cannot find any Frisian people with this name, are you sure it is spelled this way? Any way for a famous architect, we should have an article. Do you have any refs? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)