User talk:Taoyin2004

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what is an easy way to reply to these msgs... i keep finding myself in the editing talk section and it looks like i need to add the formatting. let's see if this works. Taoyin2004 (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Copyright problems
Hello, Taoyin2004.

Unfortunately, the article draft at User:Taoyin2004/Paulie Zink has had to be blanked for copyright concerns, as it duplicates substantial content from other websites.

Wikipedia is very careful to respect copyright. Content can only be copied from other sources that are verifiably public domain or compatibly licensed. Where content is not - and especially where it is fully reserved as "Content copyright 2015 Paulie Zink, LLC All rights reserved" - you must put the information you obtain from the sites in your own words and structure, using only brief and clearly marked quotations. See Copy-paste.

If you are connected with the publisher and able to license this content, please see Donating copyrighted materials for the processes. Because copyright is a legal matter and we have no way of verifying people's identities on Wikipedia at account creation, we must request that you follow these external processes before the content is restored.

You can alternatively write a new version of the article that does not include copied content. In that case, please follow the instructions inside the template itself on where and how. I really recommend reviewing Close paraphrasing, as the biggest problem we tend to encounter in such cases is people following too closely on the original so that the rewrite is not usable.

If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to stop by my talk page (which you can reach by following the word "talk" after my username), and I will be happy to explain further or assist if I am able. --: Moonriddengirl (talk) (talk) 20:36, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, Taoyin2004. :) Based on your note at my talk page, it looks like some of the material is acceptable, but we have to repair attribution - content on Wikipedia is not public domain any more than most of the web. It can be reused and modified, but you have to acknowledge copying. Copying within Wikipedia explains how. It looks like you copied content from at least two Wikipedia articles - in addition to Yin Yang, perhaps Monkey Kung Fu? If you can identify definitely the articles you have copied from, I can help you fix that one. However, it still looks like you've copied content at the very least from, which is fully copyright reserved. All of that content needs to be removed. Have you copied content from any other pages outside of Wikipedia? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello,Moonriddengirl thank you Moonriddengirl, i would welcome your help. and yes you are correct with what i did.  i didn't know the prooper format to link or credit the wiki pages properly. i did add the references in in   at the end of places where i used the material from the Yin Yoga and Monkey Kung Fu pages.  if you can help me make it right that would be great, otherwise i was planning on going back to some of the books i have and looking for specific material and references to use from there.

as you can easily tell i don't know how to even use the message functions here so i hope this gets to you in a timely fashion. i'm trying to model your note above re: user name. let me know it is works.

i will read though the formatting and using material references you listed above. any suggestions about what to read first will be most appreciated and is everything i wrote previously available to you? if so, perhaps you can guide me on what to use. otherwise my plan it to start from scratch and to proceed slolwy. i am in the progess of looking at some of the other bio pages on wiki to help familiarize myself with what wiki likes to see. again many thanks! :) Taoyin2004 (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I mentioned the copyvio issue to Moonriddengirl in the first place - I needed her advice as well. There is an awful lot of material to read but in my view the simple approach is best which you already started doing.  Look at a few martial art (or yoga) bio pages, don't copy paste from anywhere (use your own words), and use references as much as possible.  The other thing that many beginners feel they have to do is put in everything.  For sure it is not necessary to put in all about Monkey Kung Fu for example - But a sentence like Paulie Zinc has mastered all five styles of Monkey Kung Fu (with reference).  The link to Monkey Kung Fu will let the reader learn more about the five styles - that is the power of wikipedia.  I think Paulie deserves an article - so I will help if you need it.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2015 (UTC)


 * To reply to me on your talk page all you have to do is put my user name - see above how I did it with Moonriddengirl. Do it that way and the user is automatically notified.  Pictures are scary - I was able to upload some myself but copyright is even stickier with those.  My advise is delay that for a bit.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:19, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Moonriddengirl,

please feel free to delete the copy of the first Paulie Zink article that you moved to the userspace. i have a copy of it and i will use it for ideas to work off of as you suggested above. thanks a lot. Taoyin2004 (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to The Wikipedia Adventure!

 * Hi Taoyin2004! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission.  I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
 * The Wikipedia Adventure Lounge
 * The Teahouse new editor help space
 * Wikipedia Help pages

-- 18:34, Wednesday, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Response to your note on my talk page
Hello, Taoyin2004.

Apologies for my delay in response.

Before I respond to the note you left on my talk page, let me quickly know that in this edit you seem to have inadvertently changed my username. I'll change it back after I write this note, but you want to be careful in modifying other people's notes and comments. This isn't permitted on Wikipedia unless you are removing a very clear personal attack. :)

It is okay to use quotations from your sources, as long as they are limited quotations (that is - they shouldn't take too much from the source, and they shouldn't be too much of your article) and they are clearly marked as quotations. One of the harder things to explain about quotations is that they shouldn't be used just because you want the information; they need to be used for good reason - like to attribute a point of view, for instance. This is explained a little bit at WP:NFC. See also transformation (law). :)

The content from your previous article is still there; it's just in the history right now. You can see it here. I would recommend not copying content from that article into your new article at Paulie Zink but instead just using it for ideas to develop. If you do want to copy content from any other Wikipedia article, you can - but you need to follow the steps explained at Copying within Wikipedia. In a nutshell, you need to put a note in your "edit summary" and put a note (or a template) on the talk page.

Good luck with its development; when you are finished with User:Taoyin2004/Paulie Zink, please let me know and I will delete the page. Oh, and it may also be deleted after a few weeks just because of its listing at the copyright problems board, but better to remove it sooner if you're done. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, Taoyin2004. :) Generally, I would recommend just deleting the draft and working on the article directly. Some people, however, do like to work on content in "sandboxes" or "draft" space, and that's fine if that's what you'd prefer. What you want to watch out for is the potential for conflicting with somebody else's work. For example, if you are working on a draft of an existing article in private space and somebody else comes in to work on the actual article, you might wind up either having to erase their work or abandon yours. If you both work in the same space (the article space), you can work more collaboratively and build off of each other. This is generally the best way to do things.


 * The draft is currently listed at User:Taoyin2004/Paulie Zink - this is a common way of titling drafts. It starts with your username, which identifies it as your work in progress and links it to your account. And then, after a slash, it has the name of the article. People also commonly like to work at sandbox space, which in your case is located at User:Taoyin2004/sandbox. Right now, yours is empty. :) I recycle mine fairly regularly. I like to work in my own sandbox space because it's tidier, pretty much. I don't like to have a lot of draft titles to keep track of. If it were me, I'd just go ahead and delete the old draft and start working from scratch.


 * In case it's helpful, I've added some information from a source on Paulie Zink. It would be really nice to find independent sources discussing his martial arts competitive career, including documenting the dates of his wins, if you can manage that. Learning more about his work since he began teaching would be helpful, too - does he still teach? Does he have a studio? Information like that could help round out his biography. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:36, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi MRG,

Thank you so much for all of your help. i hope i am responding in the correct space and i'm still not sure how to keep the threads together for the same discussion. am i supposed to reply from here? well here goes...

Anyway i am looking up all the material available on Paulie Zink. He was featured on the covers of Inside Kung Fu Magazine and Martial Art Magazine. i have several of the old issues as well as the two books he co-authored, which are difficult to get a hold of. There are articles available on google books about him that were published in Black Belt Magazine. You will see references to some of those articles on the YIn Yoga page.

He does still teach and travels these days from his home in Montana to give Yin Yoga Teacher Certification Trainings across the country. i will put some things together and look at the bios of some other people on wiki as a guide to suggest possible sections. i agree that working in the article directly probably makes the most sense. i just want to be very careful this time with what i do.

He taught David Lee Roth of Van Halen privately over a period of 20 years. i've found an article where David mentions Paulie Zink as his teacher as well as a letter on the PaulieZink.com site thanking him. Paulie choreographed for him and other film and music stars. i will cull through everything i can find.

Paulie Zink has such an interesting background with the mastery of the martial arts- which is a particularly difficult style, and the contribution that his teaching of Yin Yoga is making today.

i read the entry and see letters in front of the referneces. What do those mean? i saw them on the Yin Yoga article. i'm speculating that it has to do with how many different times the article mentions the same reference?

thank you MRG for all of your suggestions and guidance! Taoyin2004 (talk) 16:16, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello, Taoyin2004. :) I've looked at your changes, and they look good. I've also deleted the draft. The letters in front of references do mean that a reference is used multiple times in an article. They are added automatically by the software when you reuse a reference. If you are editing the source code of the article (instead of using VisualEditor), you will see that some references have names. For instance, there's . That's the base name of a reference and appears in front of the full citations; when it is reused, it looks like this:   The rest of the reference is not repeated. The slash tells the software it's a reuse, so it clusters it together with other references of the same.


 * I'm probably not really good at explaining that, so I'll refer you to Citing_sources and Help:Footnotes where somebody probably more technically oriented than me took a stab. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)