User talk:Tapir105/Archive 1

Conversation with User:Meters June 2024
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Liahona Preparatory Academy ‎, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Meters (talk) 23:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Give me an example please because I cited reliable sources. 71.199.20.198 (talk) 23:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Nevemind, I see what you are talking about. Thanks! Tapir105 (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you look through the rest of this page because there is a lot of content on that page that is unsubstantiated. Tapir105 (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Liahona Preparatory Academy, you may be blocked from editing. ''Please stop. Don't add dead pages as references for new claims. Don't use references that do not support your claims. Don't add recent claims in front of old references. Don't use Wikipedia as a source. Don't add WP:UNDUE material.'' Meters (talk) 23:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * And don't remove maintenance templates unless you address the problem. Meters (talk) 23:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, you can remove everything else but here is this entry with revised fixed links. I’m sorry I did not follow the rules, I am new to wiki and will be more cautious in the In 2013, Broch Clyde DeGraff, the son of Brent and Kolleen DeGraff, founders of Liahona Preparatory Academy in Pleasant Grove, Utah, was arrested for sexually abusing two 16-year-old female students. The abuse occurred between October 2011 and June 2012 and involved grooming, text messages, and physical encounters at both the school and DeGraff's home. DeGraff, who was the soccer coach at the school, was in a position of trust and authority, which he exploited to commit his offenses.
 * In September 2012, DeGraff was arrested after authorities received information that he planned to flee to Mexico if charges were filed. His bail was set at $50,000. He eventually pleaded guilty to six counts of attempted forcible sexual abuse, which were reduced to third-degree felonies as part of a plea deal, and was sentenced to up to 20 years in prison. After serving part of his sentence, Broch DeGraff was released and is now a registered sex offender living with his parents, who retired in 2019 and reside in Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. Tapir105 (talk) 23:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Liahona Preparatory Academy has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. ''You changed the references, so it is not correct to say that they worked. It is also not correct to say that my claims that the links were dead were unsubstantiated. And it is not correct that all of your sources are news articles. Only one of the three references is a news article. The other two other are private databases.'' Meters (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I meant to say they were now substantiated, that was a typo, if you could edit it to be more constructive I can do that. My intention was no to come across as rude or unconstructive, I appreciate all of your feedback and will not edit without putting it into the sandbox mode first. Thank you. Tapir105 (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Please stop messing around. I understand that you are trying to improve the article, but I am gettign tired of having to recheck everything you do. Athletics and other extracurriculars are not elective courses. If they were, by definition they wouldn't be extracurricular. And stop adding sources that do not support your claims. Meters (talk) 21:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Give me examples of my sources that don’t match? You mean the UHSSA source that mentions the school and name. You have such an attitude and the way you present criticism is extremely poor. 204.225.31.221 (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

This page https://www.uhsaa.org/records/ does not mention the school or their team name. It does not mention any schools. There is no point in adding that as a source. If there is a subpage linked from that page that mentions the school and their team name then it is up to you to link to that page. Don't expect readers to randomly open every link on a landing page to see if they can find one that confirms your claims. As for you thinking my attitude and method of presenting criticisms is poor, sorry, but as I said, I'm tired of having to recheck everything you do. You said that you would "not edit without putting it into the sandbox mode first" but you have not done that, have you? You have just gone ahead and again made multiple edits, many of which were not correct. I have not even commented on everything of yours I've had to fix. I can just drop a level 4 warning on you if you prefer, or report you for a possible WP:CIR block. Meters (talk) 21:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Ironic you drop the WP:CIR block when you have literally been nothing but antagonistic and rude, contrary to the own rules you cited. Whatever, man I’m done editing anything on Wikipedia, you have thoroughly discouraged me from ever wanting to touch this site again. Tapir105 (talk) 22:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If you had read and understood WP:CIR you would know that it has nothing to do with rudeness, or antagonism. It's about competence to participate in Wikipedia. And your failure to know that is, well, just further evidence. And you you might want to read WP:PA. I'm done. Meters (talk) 22:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

After taking some time, looking back through edits and conversations, you are absolutely in the right. I didn’t properly read through the rules, my first 25 or so edits were especially egregious and you are right in being frustrated because you had to specifically go through and revise numerous fixes. You coming across as antagonistic was clearly just justified frustration. I did use the sandbox mode, but clearly I need to deep dive into the wiki rules before making any edits in the future, which I will not touch anything until I have done so. The work you do is genuinely appreciated and I am sorry for any time I have wasted of yours flitting through edits, it will not be an issue in the future. Thank you, I wish you a wonderful day. Tapir105 (talk) 00:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)