User talk:Tariqabjotu/Archive Fifty-Eight

Paddy Roy Bates
It's not that important, but I just wanted to let you know that your comment on the Admin noticeboard wasn't entirely accurate, as I was fine with the article being pulled but I didn't support that course of action. B zw ee bl  (talk • contribs) 04:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. Well, you are free to set the record straight there, if you want. I mean, if you really want to. --  tariq abjotu  04:42, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

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ITN/C - post ready?
Hey Tariq, not seen you around for a while, hope you're well. Could you have a look and see if the nomination for Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences is good to be posted please? Thanks doktorb wordsdeeds 07:17, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

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Jacques Barzun
Hi. I see you marked Barzun not ready for recent deaths. But the article has indeed been updated with six new sentences or subordinate sentences and almost 3,000 bytes. It is hard to see the additions in the diff given the formatting changes as well. For convenience, I have quoted all six sentences along with the diff to compare at the nom,here. Please do post the item once you've confirmed this. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 11:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for posting. Can you comment whether it is indeed required that the updates be related to the death? I'll watch here. μηδείς(talk) 17:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is my understanding as well -- that the update needs to be related to the death itself. --  tariq abjotu  18:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Main Page Balance
Hm, my resolution is 1366 x 768 (roughly a 16:9 aspect ratio). It didn't seem quite balanced on my monitor until I added another item, but I will go right ahead and revert since it looks bad. Sorry about that. Best,  Spencer T♦ C 05:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I think the recent deaths lines takes up the space of another item, so that's why the number of ITN items gets pushed down even further. Spencer T♦ C 05:02, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, now I have space under OTD after the removal. Must be my resolution then.  Spencer T♦ C 05:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I don't know which looks worse -- an imbalanced Main Page or just three items (all recent) in ITN. Once again, I'veraised this recurring OTD/DYK imbalance issue, which is at the root of this problem, at Talk:Main Page. (For the record, my monitor is at 1280 x 800.) --  tariq abjotu  05:10, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think more users have a standard 1280 x 800 resolution than my 1366 x 768, so I'm going to defer with you for what looks better (I wasn't exactly confident with the decision, since I wasn't 100% sure of my screen resolution at the time). As you mentioned, the key issue is the imbalance problem. Spencer T♦ C 05:16, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Research: "Widescreen computer displays were previously typically of 16:10 aspect ratio, now they are shifting to 16:9." You have the 16:10 and I have the 16:9, so I'll just leave it as is. Either one is close enough (it'll be about a line off either way).  Spencer T♦ C 05:17, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring
Hello Tariqabjotu, I would like to inform you that there has been a report about you at the edit warring noticeboard which I have however declined. You were right to remove the personal comments made by E4024 at Talk:Istanbul. Regards, De728631 (talk) 14:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. And I also commented simultaneous to your post to my talk page that the reporting editor did actually notify me. -- tariq abjotu  14:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

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WP:TPO - Admin query
Under which heading in the talk page guideline did you determine that you could remove my comments without seeking my permission or without notifying me directly? Leaky Caldron  13:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I thought it was less combative to not notify you. You are perfectly capable of looking at the history of the page, as I see you've done, and nothing of value was lost because it was an off-topic attack. --  tariq abjotu  13:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Rather than speculate, I would just prefer you to answer my question. Which heading in TPO justifies your action? Off-topic posts can be hatted, removal without permission is deprecated. Leaky  Caldron  13:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you can answer that question yourself, based on what I said here and what I said in the edit summary. I see no reason to further justify a removal of direct, obvious, and irrelevant personal attack on me. --  tariq abjotu  13:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a personal attack any more than my original "squeamish" remark was a personal attack. I was commenting that as a community we should not be squeamish about providing our readers with an honest, accurate and fully sourced headline rather than the ambiguous one currently listed. That you appear to be over sensitive to valid criticism and do not like your decisions to be challenged or drawn attention to is a problem that the community will have to live with, I suppose. Leaky  Caldron  13:38, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Two things:


 * First, don't bite the hand that feeds you. I specially requested an alternate suggestion, after (unnecessarily, really) agreeing with you that the blurb needs to be changed. And you responded by calling me squeamish. Sorry, but why the hell do you expect me to help you after that? And why did I ever have to, on a volunteer project where hundreds of other people could just as easily make the same change?


 * Second, don't play dumb. I did not remove your "squeamish" remark. But your suggestion that me being American had anything to do with not submitting to your request (esp. when I provided the actual reason) or that Ks0stm being American had anything to do with posting the Hostess item is baseless, irrelevant, and pure insult. That you appear unable to tell the difference between a productive comment and a gratuitous insult is a problem that the community will have to live with, I suppose. --  tariq abjotu 14:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem here is that you insist that my original use of the word squeamish was deliberately aimed at you. As I stated above, it was a essentially a community-wide remark, "There is no reason to be squeamish here" inferring that we, the community, must not feel a need to dumb down the blurb. Many editors agreed. You, as the acting Admin., have clearly felt personally targeted and I apologise that my lack of precision has led you to that interpretation. Don't get hung up on the American thing - other editors in the cake debate raised the U.S. centric argument, not me. I simply pointed out that the brand and products means very little, if anything, outside of the U.S. I shouldn't have added the American Admin. jibe that you removed, it was an attempt to stir up more interest in the Hamas headline - it plainly failed to do so. I have not made any gratuitous insult - no matter what you believe.  Leaky  Caldron  14:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. --  tariq abjotu  14:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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Xmas in Istanbul
Hallo Tariq I replaced the caption in the picture of Nisantasi. Those are really (for the Turks, of course) New Year's Eve decorations. When I came to Istanbul the first time during that time (about 10 years ago) I was astonished about those decoration, which are overall in the city: I asked my friends why they were celebrating Xmas, although they are Muslim. They told me that they were celebrating the new year. I replied that this could have been true for the lights, but surely not for the Xmas tree. They explained me that the Xmas tree is an old Prototurkish custom used to celebrate the peak of winter, and that from Siberia through Scandinavia has been adopted by the European. About that, in Italian we have a proverb, which says: "Se non è vero, è ben trovato" :-) Alex2006 (talk) 06:57, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

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Talkback (1 December 2012)
—David Levy 19:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

RE: Great Recession
Hi and thanks for performing the history swap. I'm still trying to fathom out the process you carried out which was discussed atAdministrators' noticeboard/Archive242. Am I right in thinking that Talk:Great Recession/temp should be moved to? And what happens about the merge, please? The valid question regarding this asked at Talk:Great Recession by Monty845 seems to remain unanswered. I had a quick look yesterday and it didn't look as if the content had been merged. Thanks. -- Trevj (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, that should have been moved, and I've finished that (I think the redirect was blocking it). As for the merge... I have no idea whether enough content has been merged into the main article, but as it doesn't require an administrator to do that, I don't believe I need to say anything else about that. --  tariq abjotu  13:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've tried to tidy up the too. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 13:39, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you feel distressed?
We are discussing you here. I assume Silver seren has contacted you about it privately, but if not, now you know. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

how do i get credit for brubeck update
I need to pad my resume, and would like update credit for various recent deaths. How would I go about that for Dave Brubeck? Thanks!μηδείς (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a template,, if you want to give yourself one. --  tariq abjotu  21:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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The notoriuos wiki troll ( Iaaasi) returned
Hello!

The well known chauvinist romanian wiki-troll User:Iaaasi returned (with a new croatian fake identity) He is now active alias user: Irji2012 He is often active in Hungarian-related aricles, he enjoy edit-warring deleting good sources and sentences from important articles, and he like to break the rules of wiki even 3 revert rule. Can you arrange about this notorious wiki-troll? Thank you! Peter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by84.0.49.97 (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I mentioned you in a discussion at Talk:Feminism
There is a dispute between myself and User:Cailil at Talk:Feminism. As someone who was involved with the featured article status ofTurkey (I explain why they are related in the feminism talk page), I would like to request your comments/thoughts on this issue in hopes that there can be a consensus. You seem to be a well established and active user so I was hoping you could share insight on the discussion. Thanks.--JasonMacker (talk) 18:01, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

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Pull
Your actions were clearly not supported considering the statements at In the news/Candidates. Is it about time to reinstate the blurb? Ryan Vesey 20:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I've seen the comments there, and I am not submitting to thinly-veiled comments insisting we put up a breaking news story immediately regardless of the article's state. The minimum threshold I mentioned has already been pointed out to you all by someone else. It did not and does not meet it. Period. Until it meets it, leave me alone. --  tariq abjotu  20:35, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I replied on my talk since you replied there. Ryan Vesey 20:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw it, and it doesn't seem to warrant a reply beyond repeating what I already said. --  tariq abjotu  20:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Notice
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Tariqabjotu acting against consensus. Thank you. Ryan Vesey 20:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Tariq, I have promised myself I won't read, or post to ANI, so I can't support you there; but I want you to know I very much respect your decision to pull this, and the fact that you did so in the face of significant opposition increases the respect I have for it. It demonstrates quite a bit of careful thought, and clue, which is more valuable than gold around here. Perhaps when people realize we've had to revdel the shooter's name from the article, which is actually apparently still in some doubt, they will come around. Bravo. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Interestingly, I saw some of the Facebook posts from the misnamed person (on Twitter) and thought they must have been hoaxes as I couldn't believe the media could be so incompetent as to repeat an incorrect name so many times. Well, apparently they are. And to our credit, we were just reflecting what the sources said. (Perhaps even the police initially said the wrong name.) We are not an investigative news source. -- tariq abjotu  22:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I understand why it happened, but it is an example of what can happen when we rush too fast to put something up on the main page. I'm probably a minority of one by now, but I still wouldn't have posted this for a while longer. An ITN section on the main page of an encyclopedia is trying to do two things at the same time: be encyclopedic, and be current. In the immediate aftermath of something like this, I would say it is impossible to do both, and when you can't do both, encyclopedic should win out over current. Still, in spite of my disappointment at us moving too fast, at least the situation was definitely improved by your action. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what, I probably was a bit fast in bringing this to ANI and I'm sorry about that. I suppose allowing for a few hours for the normal process to work itself out wouldn't have hurt. Ryan Vesey 22:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks... just doing my job. --  tariq abjotu  23:51, 16 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you really going to let "a particular user" get under your skin? you've been on ITN long enough to know that this particular user is not worth paying attention to many times. Either way i hope you dont leave ITN as there's not many long time regulars left here :( --Ashish-g55 01:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not planning to leave ITN; I'm just not planning to follow that nomination (that's what I meant by "section" -- section on the page). -- tariq abjotu  01:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * well good to know... -- Ashish-g55 01:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Questions posted at RFAR
Hello, Tariqabjotu. In response to the RFAR you filed, I've posted a number of questions that I'd like parties to respond to in their statements. When you get a chance, please stop back by and add your responses to your statement. Thank you. (convenience link) Hers fold (t/a/c) 01:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)