User talk:Tariqabjotu/Archive Sixty-One

Nomination for deletion of Template:PDFlink
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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.
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Request for clarification regarding Jerusalem RFC
A request for clarification has been submitted regarding the ArbCom mandated Jerusalem RFC process. Callanecc (talk • contribs •logs) 01:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

note
hi there. thanks very much for your note at the Arbcomm page. I appreciate your insights.

I think things may go on as before. However, I think it is good we opened up this discussion. I think the moderator truly has made every effort to make this process go well. However, I think a different structure needs to be used for this sort of process. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * just letting you know, some more questions have been posted by the moderator at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion. you can see some of my replies there as well. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 17:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, I did notice. Thanks. --  tariq abjotu  17:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, why are you still participating in that charade? It's pretty obvious Strad is going to let an activist group so tightly control the RfC that they might as well just decide amongst themselves what the article should say and edit accordingly. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:49, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note - I've left a comment at User talk:No More Mr Nice Guy about the post above. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 09:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I was just coming here to commend you for that as well. A simple counting of votes does not replace the work of actually sorting through the merits of the various arguments. Kudos. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

ITN
Hi. You really should learn more about what is a consensus and how it is reached through a discussion. This is not the first time you post an item with no consensus at all and in the most recent case with Jason Collins there is even majority of users who are against it. This is an extreme violation of the rights and responsibilities of an admin and please, trust me, your subjective opinion why to post it doesn't and shouldn't weight more than all of the others who have spent many hours to discuss the issue. Sorry but your recent behaviour has definitely crossed the red line and it fully encourages me to take the issue further (first level, second level). Best regards.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:45, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If you feel so inclined, do that. Don't threaten me. --  tariq abjotu 14:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not a threat, only an information. I will need some time to prepare the request and will let you know again. Best.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That is extreme and doesn't help the situation. I felt the posting was inconsistent in regards to similar nominations (France and New Zealand, as mentioned), but this shouldn't be blamed on User:Tariqabjotu who AFAIK didn't violate any WP policy. Thanks,201.9.228.193 (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comment. I think the main responsibility for the decision whether to post an item or not falls on the admin who uses his authority to mediate in the process and conclude the discussion. In this case, his decision is far from being neutral and provokes the use of some measures to stop it in the future cases (Note: This is not the first time his decision to deviate from neutrality.). Having an admin from the United States to resolve an issue that unfortunately saw a fierce dispute between those claiming it's a US-centric topic and others that have used other means to deny it is not what we're waiting for; not every admin on the English Wikipedia comes from the United States and I know some of them who edit the ITN section and could have been easily called to resolve this issue in a more proper way. The only policy that was heavily violated in this case is the neutrality statement that any admin should adhere to in order to remain impartial. I will need some time to decide what kind of admin review to pursue though. Best.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Good luck. --  tariq abjotu  22:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

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Jerusalem RfC discussion: finalising drafts
Hello. We have almost finished step three of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, but before we move on to step four I would like to make sure that all the participants are happy with the drafts that we have chosen. The content of the drafts are likely to dictate what ends up in the actual article, after all, so I want to make sure that we get them right.

So far, there hasn't been much interest in the process of choosing which drafts to present to the community, and only three editors out of twenty submitted a drafts statement. I have used these three statements to pick a selection of drafts to present, but we still need more input from other participants to make sure that the statements are representative of all participants' wishes. I have started discussions about this underquestion seven and question eight on the RfC discussion page, and I would be grateful for your input there.

Also, there have been complaints that this process has been moving too slowly, so I am going to implement a deadline. If there haven't been any significant objections to the current selection of drafts by the end of Wednesday, 8 May, then I will move on to step four. Questions or comments are welcome on the discussion page or on my talk page. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 03:57, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

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In the News Post
Your post of the Jason Collins ItN was greatly disturbing, to put it very, very mildly. You wrote:completely ignoring concensus in favor of your own reasoning. While discussions are not votes, saying "I understand there are some people who believe this should not have been a big deal, but, for better or worse, it was/is a big story" is like saying "I understand there are some people who believe my religion/ideology/... is wrong, but, for better or worse, it's right" and then placing it on the main page.

Furthermore, and just as problematic, you did not in any way discount severely POV comments, such as: to quote some of most egregious examples The overwhelming majority of such POV statements came from the Support camp. If you had properly ignored such !votes, there would have been clear consensus not to post.
 * Support Milestone in breaking down homophobia and definition of "masculinity" in male team sports
 * Support as a major milestone of societal change
 * Strong support; my support has everything to do with me being an LGBT ally
 * Oppose. I am a vocal supporter of human rights [with the implication that LGBT issues constitutes human rights]

This is a very serious issue, featuring a disregarding of NPOV and Consensus, to influence the content that millions of readers saw. I notice others have complained about your ItN decisions; while I do not know the details and will therefore refrain from judging those cases, consistent abuse of your adminhood would lead me to pursue higher-level channels of discussion. -- Ypnypn (talk) 02:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said to Kiril Simeonovski above, if you would like to air your grievances about my "greatly disturbing" action in some official channel, feel free to do so. However, don't threaten me. --  tariq abjotu  07:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * If you insist... ANI discussion.

Unacceptable behaviour
I cannot stand reading this without reaction :
 * Don't ask me to "drop" anything, because I have nothing to drop; you created an argument where there was none before. I am tired of this game (all too familiar on Israel-Palestine topics) where you insert pithy remarks intended to do nothing more than stir the pot, then play innocent, insult others' intelligence, and ask that others cool down when someone points out your irrelevance and hostility. -- tariqabjotu 14:13, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

If we place this in the context of the behaviour that you adopted, as well as NMMNG due to the way Mr Stradivarius closed Question 5, we could wonder if the accusation against Nishidani should not target yourself. It is obvious and not discussable that the use of a dictionnary here is WP:SYNHT and Mr Stradivarisu closed the question the right way. There are official and reliable sources that state that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and they should be used to support the point instead of attacking other contributors who underlined the unadequation of the "dictionnary reasonning" with Wikipedia principles. Pluto2012 (talk) 18:23, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


 * As your comment demonstrates, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, so I suggest you stay out of this. --  tariq abjotu  18:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Tariqabjotu,
 * I ask you to stop making pressure on the Mr Stradivarius because this RfC does not go to the direction that you want;
 * You are uncivil and do not respect WP:AGF on this talk page in accusing other not to respect this on their side.
 * Pluto2012 (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh please. Get off your high horse. There was nothing inappropriate about my comment to Mr. S. If you have nothing to contribute to the RfC discussion other than your holier-than-thou attitude, don't participate at all. Further remarks on my talk page about the RfC and the discussion will be categorically reverted. --  tariq abjotu  18:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why was my name brought up here? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

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Jerusalem RfC discussion: step four
Hello everyone. We are now at step four of the Jerusalem RfC discussion, where we will decide the details of the RfC implementation. This is the home stretch - the RfC proper will begin as soon as we have finished this step. Step four is also less complicated than the previous steps, as it is mostly about procedural issues. This means it should be over with a lot more quickly than the previous steps. There are some new questions for you to answer at the discussion page, and you can see how the RfC is shaping up at the RfC draft page. Also, when I say that this step should be over with a lot quicker than the previous steps, I mean it: I have set a provisional deadline of Monday, 20th May for responses. I'm looking forward to seeing your input. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 12:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Istanbul Infobox Image
Hello. I have modified my suggestion in light of your input (see: Talk:Istanbul). I think it addresses your concerns.Cavann (talk) 19:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposal at TAFI talk
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Jerusalem RfC discussion: final countdown
Hello again, everyone. I have now closed all the questions for step four, and updated the RfC draft. We are scheduled to start the Jerusalem RfC at 09:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC). Before then, I would like you to check the draft page, Requests for comment/Jerusalem, and see if there are any errors or anything that you would like to improve. If it's a small matter of copy editing, then you can edit the page directly. If it's anything that might be contentious, then please start a discussion at Talk:Jerusalem/2013 RfC discussion. I'll check through everything and then set the RfC in motion on Thursday. Best — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 16:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Jerusalem RfC has started
Hello again everyone. We have finally made it - the RfC is now open, and a few editors have chimed in already. The discussion is located atRequests for comment/Jerusalem. I'm sure you don't actually need me to tell you this, but please go over there and leave your comments. :) You are the editors most familiar with the Jerusalem lead dispute on Wikipedia, so it would be very useful for the other participants to see what you have to say. And again, thank you for all your hard work in the discussions leading up to this. We shall reconvene after the results of the RfC have been announced, so that we can work out any next steps we need to take, if necessary. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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