User talk:Tariqabjotu/Archive Ten

Signpost updated for June 12th.
You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list.

Message delivered by Ralbot 01:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Mosque article
Someone let me know yesterday that the mosque article is the subject of two disputes. As you're aware, I had scheduled this as tomorrow's main page featured article, but it can't go up while the disputes are going on, so I've taken it off the queue. Please let me know when the disputes are over and I'll fast-track it back onto the queue. Raul654 10:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Message received. Hopefully we'll get everything straightened out soon. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 18:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Reversions to Mosque
Thanks you for the note. You may want to ask BhaiSaab to use the talk page to justify his edits. Pecher Talk 20:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

IFD and NSD
Please note that recent images that you have tagged with IFD tags already had NSD tags on them. I'm assuming you had a dispute with the NSD tags so you should have removed those before listing them in IFD. The NSD's will expire tomorrow and the images should be deleted when that happens unless those tags are removed. You should probably go ahead and remove them since you went through the process of listing for IFD. I don't personally feel like any discussion was required but if you feel that they should be kept then please do remove the NSD tags. Perhaps you just didn't notice the NSD tag. --Strothra 13:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the above comment only applies to your addition of Image:MammyInBlue.jpg to IFD when it was already tagged with a NSD tag. --Strothra 13:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You're right; thanks for pointing that out. I'll strike it from the images for deletion page. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 18:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
RE:fuir. Thanks, should be quite useful. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 16:15, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Olympic-rings.png removed from your user page
An image or media file, Image:Olympic-rings.png, has been removed from your userpage or user talk page because it was licensed as fair use. Wikipedia's fair use policy states that fair use images should only be used in the article namespace. As a result, although users are often given a great amount of latitude in the type of content that is allowed on their user pages, it is requested that you abide by this policy. Feel free, however, to add images and media files licensed under other terms. For more information, see Wikipedia's fair use policy and an accompanying essay on the removal of fair use images. Thank you for your cooperation.

--  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 16:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but be a little more careful next time. You actually didn't remove any images at all.  But don't worry, I took care of it.  Thanks for the notice :o)  tiZom(2¢)  17:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I did remove the image from your page (see here). However, I could completely understand if you thought I didn't remove any images, because there are in fact two images of Olympic rings Olympic-rings.png, the image I said I removed, and Olympic rings.svg, the images you removed. Obviously, the fact that we have two images that depict the exact same thing needs to be rectified. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 18:21, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jordan. Thanks for taking care of the image from those template test pages--I'd completely forgotten about them. Out of curiosity, is Image:Flag of the Olympic Movement.svg free to use, or should it be removed from User/Template/Wikipedia space as well? -- Jonel | Speak 23:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... that's a good question. I'll post something on the image pages for those three images. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 00:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The image has been retagged as fair use, so it's not free to use. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 18:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks! -- Jonel | Speak 19:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Mosque
I've responded on the article's talk page. Pecher Talk 22:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Removed Image
I'm definetely not going to read that now - but thanks anyway for letting me know. --Scotteh 22:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Translation work
You requested the translation of Onda de violência no Brasil em Maio de 2006 to English. I can do the job. What should I do with your request at WP:TIE? Do you want any special thing from the article? Regards! Afonso Silva 00:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I honestly didn't have any particular section in mind. It just appears as though the article on the Portuguese Wikipedia is much longer and more comprehensive than the one on the English Wikipedia. Perhaps you could use your best judgement in determining what information in the Portuguese article would be suitable for improving the one here. Thanks in advance. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 04:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey
I was just wondering why you have all these religions' symbols on top of your page but not Islam? Islam is like the second largest religion. Is there any specific reason or did you just not think about it? Anyway, I just thought it would be interesting to know. --Scotteh 10:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


 * See User talk:Kingboyk. As can be seen there and in some comments from my last RfA, some thought the page was too Islamo-centric. I most certainly did not "just not think about it" considering - perhaps you just didn't pick up on it - I am a Muslim. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 16:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I see now. I didn't realise that earlier. Well thanks for informing me. --Scotteh 18:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Category marked for deletion
You may be interested.

Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_16

BhaiSaab talk 00:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support
Dear , Thank you very much for your support on my recent RfA. I am pleased to announce that it passed with a tally of 72/11/1, and I am now an administrator. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the tools, but please let me know if there are any admin jobs I can do to help you, now or in the future. —Cuivi é nen 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Ka'ba2003.jpg
You stated the image is in the public domain because "[..] the picture is being used on Wikipedia to illustrate an Islamic concept." This might be true but public domain lets you use the image in other contexts, as well. So I doubt that this image really is PD, it might be used under the fair use rationale only. --Matt314 10:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Feel free to change the licensing information if you feel it is incorrect. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 18:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Categories Which List People Executed by Governments
From Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 16, you stated...


 * Should we also delete the several other categories which list people executed by governments or leaders for various reasons? Your reasoning makes no sense. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2006-06-16 15:30 

I found Category:People killed by the Third Reich, but that was it. What are the others you had in mind? --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I was overly-precise. I've seen other examples, but my only regular experience is with the Category:People executed for heresy. &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2006-06-18 22:13


 * I see. I don't believe that's really comprable to the category up for deletion. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It's a category of people executed by a religious organization. How is that different from a category of people executed by order of a religious leader? &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2006-06-18 22:20


 * You are free to disagree, but I would consider Category:People executed by the Roman Catholic Church to be analagous to Category:People killed on behalf of Muhammad and Category:People executed for heresy to be analagous to Category:People killed for rejecting Muhammad's teachings because the former two are by a group (the Church or Muhammad's people) while the later two are for specific offenses. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * But aren't those just subcategories of general categories about being executed by X? If we have every possible category of reasons why people were executed by order of Muhammad or the Catholic Church, wouldn't it make sense to put them all into the obvious category that connects them? &mdash; BRIAN 0918 &bull; 2006-06-18 22:32


 * Again, you are free to disagree. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks!
--Pilot| guy 22:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Signpost updated for June 19th.
You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the Signpost spamlist. If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list.

Message delivered by Ralbot 23:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Mosque subsection in Islam
Do you think you could write a paragraph or two about mosques here? Thanks. BhaiSaab talk 03:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

My RfA


Hello Joturner, and thanks for voting in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of (68/19/3). I appreciated your comments, which I hope to take on board in order to gain your respect in my work as an administrator. Best of luck in your continued editing of the encyclopedia! Sam Vimes 17:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Mosque
Thanks for letting me know; I've replied on the article's talk page. Pecher Talk 18:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message, but I'm indeed watching the article. Pecher Talk 06:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Banu Nadir
Assalam-o-Alaikum We are having a problem at Banu Nadir. This article was put on the front page a few days ago, which was very offensive to many Muslims and also inaccurate in facts. This article is under dispute but it seems that the other party is not ready to negotiate. My explanations were based on the articles of Javed Ahmad Ghamidi, who himself has been a student of two great Islamic scholars of twentieth century, Amin Ahsan Islahi who wrote Tadabbur-ul-Qur'an, an accredited Tafsir and Abu ala Maududi, who wrote another Tafsir, Tafhim-ul-Qur'an. Articles written by Javed Ahmad Ghamidi and Amin Ahsan Islahi explain very clearly the reasons of prosecutions by early Muslims. Unfortunately, most of their books are in Urdu, but some of their articles have been translated in English, which can be accessed through links given on Javed Ahmad Ghamidi and. I read some parts of Tadabbur-ul-Qur'an myself and wrote a small paragraph, which I included in Banu Nadir (now removed because the article is under dispute). Just to give you an idea, the paragraph is written below:
 * Muslims explanation for prosecution
 * Muslims hold that Constitution of Medina was first broken by Jews. At first instance, by not helping them against invaders and at the second instance, by helping invaders against Muslims. Muslims believe that the responsibility of spreading the religion was now unto Ishmaelites, rather than Israelites. According to Quran, ...(God) said, "I am appointing you (Abraham) a leader for the people". He replied, "and also my descendants"? God said, "My covenant does not include the transgressors" (2:124), You shall strive for the cause of God as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion - the religion of your father Abraham (22:78), and We thus made you an impartial community, that you may serve as witnesses among the people, and the Messenger serves as a witness among you (2:143). The prosection that followed was of special nature. Similar prosections can be found in Bible, when Moses asked his followers to kill all those who worshiped Golden Calf, kill your brother, friend, and neighbor (Exodus Chapter 32 verse 27) or with the principle by which Solomon expanded his empire. Destruction of nations, when they challenge the God (by disobeying the Messenger), either with natural disaster or with prosecution by believers can also be found in many examples from Quran and Bible, like Nation of Noah, Nation of Lot, and finally Jewish miseries after denial of Jesus. Quran also states, ... that whoever took a life, unless it be for murder or for spreading disorder on earth, it would be as if he killed all mankind; and whoever saved a life, it would be as if he saved all mankind (5:32), and And he who kills a believer intentionally, his reward is Hell; he shall remain therein forever... (4:93). Hence prosection of Jews and others was a special case and is no more considered applicable[Amin Ahsan Islahi, Tadabbur-i-Quran (Tafsir on Quran), 2nd ed., (Lahore: Faran Foundation, 1986), ][ArRasul and Annabi are not synonymous terms (3rd explanatory note)].

I would like you to get involve in this article, as it may help us in coming to a conclusion. SaadSaleem 09:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I may try to contribute to what's going on at Banu Nadir in a bit, but I want to concentrate on trying to improve the Mosque article for now. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 11:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Your Good article stars
I was wondering if you could take the green star out of the set of stars that you made and split it up like the featured article star so that we can use it over at WP:GA. Thanks. -- SomeStrang  e  r ( t ) 19:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The star is located at Image:Green-star.png:


 * [[Image:Green-star.png]]


 * --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 00:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Crash template
Glad to see someone taking an interest! --Jumbo 02:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Those multiple templates have always annoyed me, especially when I added them to Air India Flight 182, currently on the Main Page. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 02:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I just copied from the Airport template(s) and changed a few things around. I figured someone smarter and more knowledgable than me would come along and fix it up if I made a mistake. Thanks! --Jumbo 02:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... perhaps I'll take care of those another day. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 02:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A short Esperanzial update
As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, &mdash;Cel es tianpower háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Your User Page
Hey, I was just randomly perusing UserPages looking for inspiration for my own when I stumbled upon yours. I have to say it's the most aesthetically pleasing page I've ever seen on Wikipedia, period. Did you design it yourself? Very clean, crisp and elegant. Anyway, just thought I'd throw some wikiprops your way. Namaste.  N <font color="#FF0000" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif"> scheffey   (T/C)</Sup> 16:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the compliments. Yes, I did design it myself. Good luck on designing your page and if you need or want any help, you can always contact me. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 16:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Trading spaces
Hello, Joturner, thank you for signing up to participate in the trading spaces program. As you requested to renovate another user's page, you will be renovating Jaranda's userpage. Please contact Jaranda on their talk page about the renovating. The renovating will be listed at WikiProject_User_Page_Help/Trading_Spaces, please feel free to update the status as it changes. Enjoy!

I personally don't mind you renovating my page. I'm bad in creating them a good userpage. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Some suggestions? I don't have anything to go on right now except an arm surgery, but that doesn't make for a good user page. --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I like a rather quiet userpage, maybe a place where I can place several userboxes later on, and one that is small but nicely organized. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, that sounds good. Just one thing; do you have a favorite color? --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 22:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll like it simple white and black. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 22:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I did some changes, but I like it Jaranda wat's sup 20:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey can you help me with that section please, I don't really understand. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 21:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Saudi influence in Mosques
Hey... in the end I really don't care. I've lost enough hope in the wiki system at present that I'm not willing to fight for what I think would be a better article because I would have to get into a constant battle to keep it that way... and, it's not worth the time. Creating conversion of houses of worship of other religions into mosques was a mistake because it will never be NPOVed and will be used as a tool... the first thing Pecher did was remove the neutrality tags which the article desperately needs. So, the Saudi section should be cut in half (at least) and the rest should be pushed into another article if it's good information. You may also want to place it under social conflict because nothing makes it more important than other influences of social conflict in history. I'm not really going to invest any work into it, so don't let my opinions keep you back. gren グレン 06:33, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps I or someone else will take care of the section, but I'm not sure the information would go well with the rest of the information in the Social Conflict section. But I won't be tackling it right now; it's past 2:30am (UTC-4). --  tariq abjotu  (joturner) 06:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * }