User talk:Tbrittreid/Archive/2008/August

Hulk
I restored all your edits, including your citations, without breaking the page. You broke the page by removing all the line breaks in the templates, lists, and citations. Don't do that, please. There's no real need to collapse all that, and as you saw, it broke a lot of stuff. However, Your edits did a few bad things. One, you added material under an existing citation which that citation couldn't really support, (like the back up features). Two, a lot of the things you wrote drew conclusions that either could not be supported, or were based on a set of citations that I really can't support the use of. The Comics database is another fan based collaborative project, and as such, can't really be used for drawing conclusion about the stylistic changes. However, lest you think all I'm doing is picking on you, I was able to use your info about how it was reformatted. I removed the 'completely reformatted' phrase, that they switched names and to color is enough to show a reformatting. and how much is needed for complete? that's a judgment call. Further, I reviewed the entire section and tightened it up, which I wouldn't have been pushed/inspired to do if I wasn't trying to incorporate your efforts. thanks a lot, hope to see you pushing us further on that and other pages, best regards. ThuranX (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I can accept that some bizarre force of the internet blanked those line breaks. Do you use some sort of text editor, or jsut the default editing window? Do you copy out the old and paste in the new from a word processor? might be that some part of that is causing the troubles. As for the GCD, wp:othercrapexists talks about your defense that other pages use it. As for terseness, no big deal. ThuranX (talk) 20:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * the 'claim' was cited to DeFalco, Tom (2003). The Hulk: The Incredible Guide. London: DK Publishing, 200. ISBN 0=7894-9260-1. In there, DeFalco specified that the release was tied to the show. ThuranX (talk) 20:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First, no need to be hostile. Any add-on program could've done a small update, even an automatic one, thus setting things off. I won't offer suggestions on that anymore, good luck figuring out the cause. Further, the GCD, as a fan--written source, isn't as reliable as an editor at the company that published the material, who had access to lots of production data, company memos and so on. I agree, the dates seem to conflict with some of that, but we know a film takes time to produce, so Marvel may have chosen to get their side up and running sooner. I don't know why, and neither do you; what I do know is that I've found a reliable source, and I really don't feel the GCD is equally reliable. The authors hold no particular knowledge of the subject, and are volunteers there, no different than you and I. However, I note, in looking through some of their pages, no policies on citation, or prohibitions on original research, or the adding of opinions. In other words, we have non-credible folks adding whatever they think should be there. it's like a Wiki, and we discourage the use of a wiki to source for another wiki. Find secondary sources and so on.  If you really think this is a problem, head over to WP:COMIC and ask for more input. ThuranX (talk) 21:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * A nice list of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. However, that's all it is. I provided citation for the information given. Find a good source and correct it. another wiki-style project isn't a good source though. I've given you options, stop yelling at me and get to it. ThuranX (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I did NOT leave it neutral. I'm leaving it with your edit for a few days to give you time to support it with citation, in the spirit of WP:AGF. If you can't, I'll revert to the cited version. Remember, WP:V. ThuranX (talk) 18:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You say you don't understand, so I'll make it clear. Your version is not neutral. Your version is based on removing cited information because you see a conflict with the supposition and information provided by a wiki-like project that has no qualifications as a reliable source, and your own WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Despite that, I'm WP:AGFing, and giving you a few days to find the sort of sources that can support your version. If you do not, then I will revert it to a version with supported material. ThuranX (talk) 19:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)