User talk:Tbsdy lives/Archive 5

Question about a deleted Article.
I'm writing to inquire about your deletion of the Stephen G. Post article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_G._Post). I'm pretty new to the non-consumer aspect of Wikipedia (though as an undergraduate I made a few edits), so I apologize in advance if these questions are irritatingly naive or asked frequently. I’ll try to make them as straight-forward and precise as I can at least.

The questions are roughly going to be getting after why it was deleted and how—if it needs to be simply recast— it can be re-written to make it better.

I looked at the rationale for the deletion, and I just want to make sure I understand it correctly. The relevant clause seems to be: “with no credible assertion of public domain, fair use, or a free license.”

My first question is: If the copyright owner is contacted and gives permission, would it be possible to reverse the deletion? I ask because I work with Stephen and I’m fairly certain he’d give permission for material from his personal site, and I could probably get permission from the University for using material from that site. If that wouldn’t resolve the issue, I’m probably missing something, so if you could either explain it to me or point me to the right place to figure it out. [I don’t mean to be presumptuous here. I’ve worked in tech support and know how awful such questions can be if there is a published manual. I’ve spent a few hours digging through Wikipedia pages explaining how things work, but I’m starting to get the impression that it’s somewhat analogous to riding a bicycle where you have to actually do the work to understand the technicalities.]

If it’s not possible to reverse the deletion, is it for some reason inadvisable for me to simply write a new article that uses and footnotes this information? Basically “writing in my own words” what is there so that it’s not a copyright infringement.

Thanks so much for your help in this matter!

Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.156.85 (talk) 16:52, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure! we have a mechanism in place for this sort of thing - try talking to the volunteers at WP:OTRS. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

kukudhi
please put the kukudhi page back up. I was using it and other breeds of vampires in my vampire mythology class and when I went to put the finishing touches on my paper and to give credit it was gone. Mythology is not a hoax any more than having an entry on Zeus or bigfoot. The Kukudhi is an actual name for a mythical breed of vampire by the Albanians. by labeling it a blatant hoax you disregard and disrespect a whole culture's ancient beliefs.

Jenie Piccirillo -- Feb 09, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.16.54 (talk) 19:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll need some references before this can be restored. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

You asked for references, I'm not sure what you mean by that but I can give you what I have. The following is from the book I haven't returned yet to the library.

"Kukudhi = An Albanian name for the final stage in the development or transformation of the vampire. According to custom in some regions of Albania, an undead takes time to grow fully into the shape and powers of a vampire, becoming stronger the longer it survives. The last period of growth is called Kukudhi in Albania, and upon reaching this state the vampire is able to live at home during the day, no longer required to return to its grave, and is even able to travel to other lands, supposedly as a merchant." The Vampire Encyclopedia by Matthew Bunson on page 148

There are also talks about it in Dudley Wright's "Vampires and Vampirism: Legends from Around the World", Montague Summers's "The Vampire - his Kith and Kin" Peter Haining's "A Dictionary of Vampires" but as I have already returned them to the library I will have to check them out again before I can quote them for you.

Thanks for responding to me

Jenie Piccirillo Feb 9th 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.16.54 (talk) 01:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've restored and made a start. Be careful with the spelling and formatting, I notice that you are missing a few spaces there. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 01:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Golf Association of Philadelphia
Could you please restore this article? OTRS has received permission for it (ticket number 2010020810023732). I know this doesn't clear up any other issues the article might have. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've restored, then deleted again. Can you please ask an OTRS volunteer to add the appropriate template confirming this? OTRS tickets are confidential, I have no way of confirming this. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I can add the template I just need to know when it's up. Unless there's something else you'd like me to do? PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You can't. Only OTRS volunteers can. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am an OTRS volunteer. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Darn, didn't realise that. I guess that would explain how you knew the ticket number. I will restore. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Do we know why there was no template already? That would have prevented all this confusion. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:50, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I've put the tag on now. There's always quite a bit of a backlog on the permissions queue. I'm working through it now. Our bad I know! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 22:54, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs - I totally understand :-) Just... next time say you're an OTRS volunteer, I don't know who they are! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD
Opps, looks like you forgot to close the discussion out C T J F 8 3  chat 21:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Enough
You're just baiting Giano now, and you know it. Stop. → ROUX   ₪  22:21, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No I am NOT!!!!! He is deliberately saying that I talked behind his back, and I have NOT done this! How dare you say that. I'm really mad now. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to your 'ownership issues' comment. You do understand, of course, that he will never provide diffs? And that admins will never do anything substantive about his behaviour? → ROUX   ₪  22:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So that is my problem because? Why does this editor get so much slack? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Best to just shrug it off, imo. –xenotalk 22:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't like being accused of things I didn't do, and I'm prepared to defend myself on this issue. He can't run around saying I've been uncivil for making comments behind his back when I didn't. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And a forced apology will make you feel better? Just move on. No need to continue posting to the talk page when you know you will just be reverted. –xenotalk 22:28, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I say, I'm posting diffs to where he reverted me if he makes those accusations again. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but please don't post to that page anymore. See WP:BEAR. And trust me, shrugging all this off and moving on is really the path of least resistance. –xenotalk 22:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no intention of posting again, I have my diffs and I'll use them on every occasion he makes the accusation against me in future. I don't see why he should be allowed to get away with false accusations, but as he can then I'll be countering them at every turn. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Giano's name appeared on that page 17 times before he even made an edit there . I can't say I blame him for being annoyed. I do note however, that none of those utterances were by your hand. I also note that G never accused you directly (at ANI, anyway)  of talking about him behind his back. –xenotalk  22:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And that's what frustrates me... I'm not happy about the comments either, and I don't blame him for being annoyed at them either. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What frustrates me is that my little terrible two has scratched the heck out of my LCD TV and that he tries to trick me into giving him a dinky car when he poo'd in his diaper and not in the toilet like our deal is. Go hug your kids. This is a silly website =) –xenotalk 23:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh man... my terrible two woke up at 4 this morning, then the 2 week old woke up at 6AM. A good idea Xeno :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like you've got a lot of getting tag-teamed in your future (and not this kind). Make sure to setup a zone or man-to-man defense with wifey =) –xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 23:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! Did I mention the after-birth hormones are getting out of control on that front :-) Conflict here is nothing compared to when a newborn arrives! Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:29, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So 3 on 1? My condolences, friend =) –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black;">talk 23:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably why I can delete from CSD without worrying too badly as to the reactions I get :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is an official warning
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. I realise that templating the regulars is regarded as improper, but I have my own views as regards that - I think that long term contributors should be boilerplated if they violate the rules. You might be a little bit angry about that, wondering why I should be permitted to act like this simply because I feel differently about something. You might think I am insensitive. You might be right. So might Giano. LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's nothing like Giano taking over a discussion and accusing me of talking behind his back, which I didn't. I don't understand why you give that editor so much slack. Especially as I didn't in fact talk behind his back. Are you saying I did? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not saying anything of the sort - I am saying, "Please don't post on GiacomoReturned's talkpage in the next 24 hours", and I am offering to discuss the wider picture. Please consider it. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to post anything more. I've got the diffs now. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:01, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Letting Giano get away with stuff is one thing, but to admonish and even threaten to block someone who does not choose to let him get away with stuff really makes me wonder about the future of Wikipedia. Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 23:16, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, wholeheartedly. It is a ridiculous notion that certain editors may act as they please, but woe betide those of us who--gasp--defend ourselves. → ROUX   ₪  01:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think LessHeard would ever have done this :-) From my understanding on Giano's talk page he's trying to calm the situation down, and for that I'm quite grateful. I'm also grateful that folks like Chillum are concerned for our project! I very much want to disengage with Giano now, if only he would let me. I've been forced to get diffs to defend myself, but I won't be using them unless he makes the accusation again.
 * I appreciate both your comments, Chillum for his kindness in defending me, and LessHeard for his kindness in trying to resolve conflict between myself and Giano :-) We're all friends here, and for the record I have a huge amount of respect for LessHeard. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps my impression was caused by me taking the wording of the template as the literal words of LessHeard. Perhaps he did not mean to say that you were being disruptive, or that your postings were a controversial change or that you might get blocked for it. I see nothing wrong with templating the regulars, as long as the wording of the template is what you mean to say. Regardless I am willing to accept that it was just an unfortunate choice of template content and take it in the spirit that you are taking it. Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 00:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chillum, LessHeard is a good guy :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 01:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Unitanode's comments

 * This edit was not a great idea. Taking it upon yourself to remove an editor's comments from one discussion, and place them in their own thread is practically begging that editor to become more angry with you. Unit  Anode  00:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Lots of other editors were getting confused. That editor is already angry and disruptive, I doubt I've made him more angry. Certainly I don't see why we should put up with disruption on the scale that they are making. The thread was about changes to the policy text, I don't see how any of the thread I moved is relevant. Hijacking threads in this way is really not acceptable. If the editor is now getting so angry they can't contribute, then I would suggest the editor is the one with the issue, and they might want to consider disengaging from the conversation. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:11, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Your removal of his comments was a terrible idea, period. You had to know it would only escalate things, and as such, your move was pretty disruptive in itself. You clearly don't want to look at what you did wrong in this matter, so I'll disengage from you now. But just know that what you did was not acceptable. Scott  aka UnitAnode  00:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, no. I didn't know anything of the sort, and what I did was totally acceptable. I think this is the end of this conversation. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

What happened next
What happened next with this discussion is actually pretty interesting. Unitanode said that he was going to disengage from my talk page, and I marked this thread as over with my customary "End of correspondence" user template. Then the following occured:
 * 1) He removed the tag and added another message.
 * 2) I removed the comments and replaced the template.
 * 3) I sent him a polite message asking him not to remove the template, and also that I thought that from his remarks that the conversation was over.
 * 4) He reverted my message
 * 5) He then created a new thread about the same topic on my user talk page
 * 6) I then removed the new thread, as clearly the conversation was over.
 * 7) I then sent him a message telling him that the conversation was over.
 * 8) ... to which he reverted with the edit summary of "You are not welcome here. I've told you that. If you continue, I will consider it to be harrassment.."
 * 9) ... and then he sent the following message to me:
 * Thank you for acknowledging receipt of the warning with your removal of it. Cheers, Scott  aka UnitAnode  02:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) So I revert (again) and send him a final message noting the quite ridiculous hypocrisy
 * 2) ... to which he reverts with the edit summary "now you go from baiting and harassing Giano to harassing and baiting me? good luck with that. and stop now. you're becoming quite a master harasser and master baiter; i've told u to leave, now leave"

Now whom is harassing whom? All very amusing really. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 02:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Guitar Magic Evolution Software
Hi Tbsdy,

My addition of Guitar Magic Evolution Software was deleted as a commercial adveristing / promotion addition. I looked at the post regarding the deletion of Jym fitness and looked at FitBit in Wikipedia and really see an outright hypocrisy in the system. For example in my field Amplitube by IK Multimedia is here. Both FitBit Tracker and Amplitube Line 6 and its guitar POD, are totally commercial additions to the encyclopedia. The fact that they have more press - for example regarding FitBit which you do say should be deleted but isn't, you also mention that this article seems to be cited in quite a few more reliable sources, such as TechCrunch, the MIT Technical Review, and it shows notability in that it was launched at TechCruch50. Yes more money for reviews, more commercialism. That is the essence of pumping and advertising a product. It is simply discrimination that some commercial companies and products are allowed and not others. There is no question that this policy completely defeats the purpose of some form of fairness or truth to the whole non-commercial product promoting policy. I don't see how any sane or educated person would not be angered or disturbed by this outright oxymoron implementation of policy. (Please note I am questioning the whole policy - not a personal slight) We all have enough negativity on our plates. I will be very clear and upfront, why shouldn't I add a commercial product to help with promotion, why should there be any pretense that it matters when of course we have many additions that are allowed that are simply, plainly that as stated above. The idea of noncommercial additions is noble, noteworthy and "makes sense", but it reminds me of our failing government that has rules for the little people and then exceptions and bypasses for the big boys and others. I simply ask that you add my page or please delete the pages for FitBit, Amplitube, Line 6, guitar POD, and others like this. It would then be a fair system. Regards - handle Telly Ohara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Telly Ohara (talk • contribs) 04:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you think that there is "hypocrisy in the system", but I'm even more sorry that you think that having an entry on Wikipedia is your right and that you don't understand our goals. I'll not be saying much more, if you want the article restored then please take it to Deletion review. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 05:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

International Taekwon-Do Federation
Thank you for facilitating the move of this article by deleting the requested redirect page; I appreciate your help. Janggeom (talk) 05:20, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs - happy to help :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 05:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks + question
Tbsdy, thank you for taking care of my numerous CSDs which hopefully are more accurate than yesterday's deluge. Regarding Ericmaaa, whom you have blocked now (thanks!), I was wondering if you know of any add-in software that helps to put warnings on user talk pages. I was looking for the templates that have the little warning icons etc. just before I saw that you had already blocked him, but in the future I would hope to be able to leave warnings myself. Any ideas? (Short of manually editing the pages, that is!) Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 06:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We have a lot of premade templates already - try looking at Category:User indefinitely blocked templates. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 06:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

PsychoDrive Records
I've been trying to figure out how I can enter PsychoDrive Records into wikipedia. Like all the other Record Labels. Please assist me in this matter. I'd like to know what I was doing wrong to get blocked like I did. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Menace2179 (talk • contribs)
 * You have to be able to show notability, which this wasn't really showing. Please note I've protected this because you repeatedly recreated it - if you don't like the decision then please go to deletion review to contest the decision. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 06:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Please don't delete me
Hi Tsbdy,

You've deleted my article (Brandaid) twice now even though I tried hard to make sure it meets the notability requirements. (You've marked as an A7 deletion). Could you please reconsider your decision. I have left a note in the discussion page of BRANDAID, which explains why I think Wikipedia needs an article about this organisation. I'd apprecitae it if you could help me meet the notability requirements.

FYI: http://www.brandaidproject.com/

Thanks,

Ketonf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketonf (talk • contribs) 07:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Taken to AFD. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

LucidChart Deletion
I'm curious as to why the page on LucidChart was deleted. Methinks that it represents the ongoing movement to cloud-based visual-editing programs. What I don't understand is how a company like Creately can remain on Wikipedia when they are not doing anything that is a significant change. Their page seems more an advertisement than the one I had put up on LucidChart. I even referenced many popular blogs that reviewed LucidChart. Your help here would be appreciated. LucidChart merits a review.

Furthermore, my article was not up for an hour before it was deleted. It was not given enough time to be reviewed by others.

Thanks Barefootgolf2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barefootgolf2 (talk • contribs) 08:18, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest reviewing WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

A nice cup of tea and a blindfold
Hey there. What will it take to get you to ignore Giano's comments at Incivility blocks? You're letting him get to you, and meanwhile the effort is going into the toilet. Flip the switch, refuse to fight, get back to work.--Father Goose (talk) 10:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm trying to do. If I hadn't moved that thread, then nobody would have been able to follow anything! Isn't this why you added the archive header and footer? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 10:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but given that he doesn't want the fight to end, only you can end it, by pretending he's not there.--Father Goose (talk) 11:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * But why let a bully win? What do we do if he restores the thread? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't even look. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a bit difficult when the thread is on a topic that I'm in the process of discussing. How do you propose I do that? Or are you saying that a thread that lists Giacomo's grievances should be in it's own section? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Carefully and precisely positioned blinders. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh. Not going to happen - that thread now stays where it is. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, whatever... I've got other things to do. If Giano can run the asylum I think we've got some really big issues going on here. But I'll leave that whole policy page alone, as this is what a number of people would like me to do :-) I did try - I think this is for someone else to take a stab at now. I really did try to encourage debate, and I'm just sorry that it got derailed by trolling, baiting, and incautious and nasty remarks. I guess that Wikipedia isn't ready for civility, and may never be ready for it. I'll just apply commonsense from now on, to heck with a policy. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about that thread-in-question, the longer the talkpage gets, the farther up the thread-in-questions goes, newbie readers tend to read the latest stuff, anyway. GoodDay (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Concerns
Please withdraw your nomination of Giano's page, which is obviously going to fail, and cease further baiting of him. Thank you. Jehochman Brrr 14:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I object to you saying I'm baiting him, if anyone is doing any baiting here it's Giano. But perhaps you are a bit late to my talk page, given that I've already withdrawn it? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck to you, Tbsdy, and please do not pay attention to what Jehochman is saying. The admin is changing his opinions as easy as one would change gloves :) You've done a great job on incivility blocks. Too bad you were forced out.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mbz1, I appreciate you saying that about me :-) I don't know if Jehochman is that bad, I've known of him but don't know him very well. I'd like to assume here that he's concerned with Giano's feelings, even at the expense of my own. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 15:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the page-in-question, is about administrators? let the administrators decide on its fate. GoodDay (talk) 16:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

And now for something different...
Where is the page I created? Teleplan Camera Repair I worked long and hard at it, asked for guidance when the pink deletion came up., compared it to other sites that say and state the exact same things and are still up! ?!?!>?!>

Tpcr (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, Tpcr wouldn't stand for "Teleplan Camera Repair" now would it? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Where did it go?
Hi tbsdy,

Looking for my page!? Teleplan Camera Repair

I put all this hard work into it, got the pink screen, went back, rewrote most of it, compared to similar pages which are saying doing the exact same things and are "still" up, SOS! Help!

Please advise asap so I can get on this and make it happen.

Thanks! Tpcr —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpcr (talk • contribs) 16:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Seriously, does Tpcr stand for Teleplan Camera Repair? Is this a shared account? Do you own or work for this group? Answer this and we'll take it from here. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The sunny side of life
A joke: The duck at the grocery store
 * A duck waddles into the grocery store & asks the owner. "Quack, quack, quack, any duct tape?", the owner replies "We're a grocery store, we don't sell duct tape" the duck leaves.


 * For the next 3-days, the duck returns & asks the same question: "..any duct tape?". The owner (now frustrated) responds "I told you alreday 3-times, we've no duct tape, we're a grocery store.", he then warns "If you come back here tomorrow, asking about duct tape again? I'll nail your flat feet to the floor". So the duck leaves.


 * The next day, the duck returns. "Quack, quack, quack, any nails?", the owner replies "no", the duck then asks "Any duct tape?". GoodDay (talk) 16:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:25, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, GoodDay! Maybe a life has a sunny side after all :)--Mbz1 (talk) 16:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It sure does. GoodDay (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Crackajack Mac
Hello, I noticed you blocked User:Human Rights Believer, well, it seems we have another sockpuppet of his, User:Crackajack Mac. This edit made me suspicious, and User:FkpCascais seems to agree with my suspicion. Could something be done about this right away, instead of waiting for him to troll more talk pages? Thanks, -- Cin é ma C 06:20, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be best to file a sockpuppet investigation, or take it to WP:AN/I. I have no way of telling. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's OK, he was blocked. All the best, -- Cin é ma C 01:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion

 * Look, I do not understand what is wrong with my List of Italian regions GDP pages. Literally, nothing is copied! Seriously, you can look, and not one phrase was copied from the source. It takes time to write these pages, and I can assure you that there is no copyright infringment. The only things which are the same are the statistics, but that is obvious, since how can I quote the statistics of a source without making them the same. It takes work, and I would appreciate you receiving an answer by me about the pages, since, I actually see nothing wrong, and in my eyes, this is either thoughtless vandalism or a huge misunderstanding. I would please like you to list all the things which are "copyright-breaking" and we can discuss this. But, I am getting pretty annoyed of turning on my computer and finding deleted pages with a notice saying "copyright-breaking" without having actually told me what the problem is (i.e. what particular phrase or sentence I put which is copyright breaking). Please reply as soon as possible--Theologiae (talk) 17:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it might be best to take this to WP:DRV. All the data was taken from one source, slightly reformatted. If you feel that my decision was wrong, that's fine - there are definitely avenues of review so I suggest you use them. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Now, what about SAW: Make-A-Wish?
You gonna do the AfD honors for this one too? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Category:Wikipedians against kitten abuse
hehe, I just read that deletion debate... I don't think they "got it". Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 22:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed! lol :-) I'll do the honours. Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

A belated "welcome back"
Good to see you back on the wiki.

I was wondering, where is the main article about immigration requirements to Australasia? I think the subject of character requirements is notable enough for inclusion, but I'm not sure where it is to be found on the wiki now that that article has been deleted. Thanks, Tisane (talk) 11:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Tisane, I think the article is Immigration to Australia, or something like this. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Told ya so
I warned you, Tabu. But nooooo, you had to go start a pissing match, didn't you ;)  --TungstenCarbide XIII (talk) 23:43, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh, it's fine by me. If he wants to win I'll let him. If people are OK with the way he edits then there's not much I can do about it. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the point. Many people like what Giano says. His message resonates with editors who work on content, editors who are sick and tired of morons like Chillum swaggering around the wiki like they are an elder statesman or something. --TungstenCarbide XIII (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I also worked on a lot of content, and I'm about to get back to it soon. I don't like the way he works. I think this is the end of this conversation with you now, I'd rather not dwell on the matter any further. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't Get Discouraged
It's certaintly worth being careful when blocking on civility concerns, but it's something that eventually needs to be codified somehow: there are far too many people on Wikipedia who are just here to pick fights or make life miserable for other users. Doc Quintana (talk) 05:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Doc :-) I understand that... but given my stage in life I've got to watch the battles I fight. Giano is not someone I ever thought I'd be up against... and given that nobody stands up to him I couldn't possibly do this on my own. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 07:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd just ignore him. On another note, I was wondering if I would get your opinion on this. Doc Quintana (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't really have a big problem with it, but it's not a bad thing it's now deleted :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

3rei Sud Est
Hey, wow...I haven't thought about this band in a while. The initial tagging was most likely a mistake on my part. IMO, retag with a fair use (assume non-free...i.e. website did not specify licence) or just delete it. Regards, nat.utoronto 10:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Bummer, it's on commons now :( Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's nominated for deletion there. So too are commons:File:1796 Draped Bust Small Eagle Quarter.png and commons:File:1955 doubled die cent.png which you deleted the local copies of (I had nominated them at FFD to get matters resolved rather than land Commons with our mess ...). It's a safe operating assumption - unless you know that the people involved have clue - that everyone who uploads images here will screw up and anyone who moves them to Commons will do likewise. What fun! Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably wasn't the best way forward on my end. Call me stupid, but I just can't work out the general deletion process on Commons :( Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * They have a process? They have backlogs, but I'm not so sure about a process. Nominating stuff over there is pretty simple. There's a link in the toolbox at the side of the page (assuming you use monobook anyway) which brings up a twinklematic style javascripty doodad which does all the work. Usually stuff uploaded to Commons is much better done than this dross that Multichill's bot has found. Your regular movers-to-Commons are really pretty hot, but this is just random stuff that has been lying around unremarked. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good advise - I'll look at this when I start deleting files that have been uploaded to commons. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 23:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Philadelphia Whites
Hi, just curious if you missed the following talk page for the recently removed redirects: Talk:1875 Philadelphia Whites season? It seems it is the last one of the speedys I sent up. If I'm in error, please excuse me. Neonblak <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  18:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry about that. Must have missed it - fixed now. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:14, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Gibnews.net
I'm surprised that you called for a ban on its use. Can I request you take a close look at the site, and I'll look for a reply here. The false accusations of sockpuppetry etc are answered on the ANI page. --Gibnews (talk) 22:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I actually didn't say that. I said that you should be banned from using it and instead take it to the talk page. Your username, incidentally, is a COI violation, but as you've been editing for so many years it would be rather unfair to block you for this. But that doesn't mean you should be allowed to use the site your username is named after in articles. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:33, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Doc Holliday Voice Coach
A7 was the reason for deletion. All the information in the wikipedia are fact. Doc Holliday is well known in the music industry. Johnny Wright, brought him in to work with the Backstreet boys. He trained Brittany Spears to come up the half octave after her first album recording was re launched here in North America. He brought George Clintons voice back for Earth Wind and Fire. Holliday Media Inc is his own company. The Natural Voice technique is his own design and structured method of teaching with all rights reserved to Doc (Ronald) Holliday. This page should not be deleted as all information is valid and verifiable. - Benjamin Easterday (Director of Bus Dev/Brand management) Holliday Media Incorporated. Los Angeles CA(HollidayMediaInc (talk) 22:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)).
 * Sadly I have had to block your account. Please create a new username that is not in violation of our username policy and we'll discuss this further when you have done so. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 22:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Revert
This comment was inappropriate, and I reverted it. The people who actually help write this encyclopedia deserve more respect than that kind of condescension, even if they are misguided in one particular case. Ucucha 00:07, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think your revert was appropriate. If the editor is not careful, they will be indefinitely blocked. False accusations of sock-puppetry are most certainly not appropriate. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * He retracted that. I would expect you to be intelligent enough to know that making a comment that sounds almost like you want him to be indefinitely blocked ("Keep it up pal") is neither productive, civil, nor appropriate. Please think about it and don't just move into defense mode. Ucucha 00:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not just that. Perhaps you would like to list all the things that have been discussed on ANI, so that I can see you understand the full situation and aren't just blundering into something without knowing all the facts? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:18, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I followed this right from the beginning at Stemonitis's user talk, and commented a few times at the content noticeboard. I can't think of any context in which your comment would be appropriate, though. Ucucha 00:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We'll have to agree to disagree. A strongly worded warning is quite appropriate here. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

ANI protection
Is full protection really necessary? The Thing //  Talk  //  Contribs  01:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 01:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Robert A. Lawton
Hi, Question: You deleted a page recently for Robert A Lawton His page had been created because he was referenced on another wikipedia page (Charles de Lauzirika). When Lawton's page was originally created, there were 6 references to outside sources including imdb, The Hollywood Reporter, a newspaper article and Thestreet.com all of which included references to, or quotes from, Lawton. Arent those two elements enough to justify the page....(being referenced on another, "qualified" wikipedia article & being quoted or referenced in many different outside sources)? If so, was it just that the formatting (or something else) was wrong? thanks Kylestafford (talk) 03:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is this one. It merely quotes him as an analyst, I don't think that denotes notability. If you have a concern that this was deleted incorrectly then please take it to deletion review. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:27, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not correct. There were many different references..some of which quoted him and others which referenced him. Plus, Subject of article is referenced elsewhere on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Lauzirika). Also, subject was quoted here: http://www.thestreet.com/story/10356385/1/geron-looks-born-to-run.html http://www.thestreet.com/story/10326563/1/rims-run-slows-to-a-walk.html http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2007/05/28/newscolumn2.html and further referenced here: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1844950/ http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i7a4f853fe57e4c0b959070bf6bdb2f33 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylestafford (talk • contribs) 05:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel that my decision was wrong, then please feel free to take the deletion to deletion review. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 07:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, May I ask why you deleted the article on me and my music career?
I'm not here to make trouble or bug you dear sir. I'm happy for your new baby, and I have 2 wonderful cats. I only ask if you do not think the article on my music career belongs here? That you give me some pointers or tips as to what my writers can do to make it stick? I had some people working very hard on what you deleted. As you clearly are very high on this social network, I can understand why you do what you do. I only ask for some help here. We would like to have an article about me and my career on Wiki.

Thank You

Jason Jones aka Driven Madness —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drivenmadness (talk • contribs) 03:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Jason, well I want to be clear that it's nothing personal. I also think I need to make it clear that this is not a social networking site, but an encyclopedia, and I don't have all that much influence even if I do have admin rights. I think it might want to review Notability (music), if you can satisfy all or most of the criteria there then you would probably be able to have a subject that can "stick". - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 04:06, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

You are trolling and trying to cause trouble!
I suggest you stop right now, before you esceltae something mundane onto something quite extraordinary. Oh and you know where you can put your olive branch don't you?  Giano  08:13, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh? What, I'm commenting on an article you are editing, this is true. But I see that other editors have some ideas. Now, do you have an issue with incorporating their input or discussing their suggestions? You did mention on Incivility blocks that you wanted some help from an admin with the article, now I decided to have a look what was going on and I'm commenting as a regular editor. I won't be using my admin rights to take over or cause trouble, but I think that there have been some fairly reasonable suggestions, so I don't really feel there is an issue with a bit of discussion. I mean, an editor would like to put in the hard yards to get this to FA status, I don't think they should feel disheartened because of a disagreement with yourself. You both want a great article, so what is the issue? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 08:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am going to disengage from you, and follow some wise advice of not feeding the trolls. I mistakenly asked Chillum for some help, that wil never happen again. You have no interest in this subject, I am not entering speedy writing competitions or entering into an architectural collaboration with you - is that quite clear? I am deepy dissapointed that, my instincts concerning you were 100% correct. However, that can't be helped. Now go and resume your new found interest in architecture. I will feed you no longer.   Giano   08:30, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Mistakenly asked for some help? How on earth does that happen? But if you want to disengage from me, that's fine. However, I have some suggestions for that article and actually I'm pretty interested. I like working on all sorts of articles, this sounds like an interesting challenge to me. I've been doing a lot of wikignoming and admin work for various reasons, and so I'd like to get back into the swing of things, and I've been looking for something to work on. Your challenge was to work on content, and I agree totally, so that's what I'm going to do. When I get some time I'm going to do some research at the State Library of NSW and see what info I can find to improve it. I'd love it if you would collaborate with me, your expertise on such matters is impressive and I've always been a fan of your work. I hope you can work with me on this. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 08:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Excessive Editing ‘Zeal’...
Frankly, I don’t understand why you have deleted the entry for this relatively small albeit notable think-tank: maybe you could have recommended some improvements e.g. adding footnotes and backing notability with legitimates links/refs ...etc.

Deleting the entry brutally isn’t very constructive! And I’m not sure it’s a very ethical way of using your admin authority

For you information: 1. The Canadian European Economic Council is listed as a leading economic think-tank by George Mason University and the University of Toronto

2. Its authors are regularly published in reviews such as The “Revue Analyse Financière”, France’s leading financial and economic research journal, Al-Nahar, one of the most widely circulated newspapers in the MENA area …. etc.

3. The Canadian European Economic Council is a regular contributor to Euromoney’s Country Risk Index- a key macroeconomic tool widely used by institutional investors and economic forecasters across Europe and Asia

Maybe you could reconsider your harsh decision ...

Cordially,

Moorehaus —Preceding undated comment added 17:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I'm afraid that this was a collective decision made by a number of Wikipedians during a previous deletion discussion and I was just applying site policy by redeleting it. If you are not happy with this previous deletion discussion then we have an "appeals" area you might like to consider, which is deletion review. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:21, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with Moorehaus: the textual content of the entry in question has changed considerably e.g. more references, footnotes..., therefore your "previous deletion" reasoning doesn't apply entirely. In all honesty, you should have allowed the contributor(s) to improve the content before, and, AS A LAST RESORT, if need be, START A NEW DELETION DISCUSSION based on the current content. What you did isn't very fair. <Alistair> from Normandy
 * That's not the process. If you want an article that was deleted on AFD to be restored, then you need to take it to WP:DRV. I'm sorry you think it isn't fair, but that's the general procedure. If you would like to change the process, then by all means start a discussion on WT:AFD. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 06:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"under cc-by-sa"
Hi, you removed a speedy delete copyvio tag here with the edit summary "under cc-by-sa". Could you please explain what you mean by that? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure. If you visit the website that was cited as the copyright violation source you will notice right down the bottom of the page that they have licensed their work as CC-by-SA. You may also want to review their web page that they have put together giving Wikipedia full rights to their material - this URL is at http://cinelasamericas.org/wikipedia
 * Does this answer the question? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. I'll remove the speedy and copyvio tag immediately, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Shawn. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW, just to be clear, I did visit the website before removing the tag and bothering you: I just couldn't find the relevant text, for some reason. I was very interested that they have a usage policy page just for us: http://cinelasamericas.org/wikipedia. I've never seen this before. Have you? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No bother :-) I'm glad that someone is noticing that db-copyvio tags are being removed! They are quite keen for their article to be on Wikipedia. If you review the talk page you will notice that they asked how they could confirm that they give us CC-by-SA rights to their material. I think they were so concerned about the speedy tag that they wanted to make it crystal clear we could use their material. Now if only all organizations would do the same! :-) I was actually the one who suggested they contact the OTRS volunteers to clarify the permissions status, which they evidently did. Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, FYI, it's not "CC-by-SA" but "CC-BY-SA". The letters "BY" are not a connector between "CC" and "SA", it's one of the elements in the license Creative Commons-Attribution-Share Alike. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:29, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Well there you go... I learned something! Thanks for letting me know Ken :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 15:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, my pleasure. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Flight Time
Thank you for not deleting my article. I had no idea that the standards are so high for a subject to be kept, I always thought an ecyclopedia was a place to find anything, but it seems you can find it only if someone else thinks it's important. Thank you again. Flight Time member Pfc. Robert L. Pearcy is my brother. Mlpearc (talk) 20:01, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs - there is only a very narrow range of articles we accept, but as far as I'm concerned this is one of them. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:36, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Too many irons in the fire
Howdy Tbsdy. I had to pull out of the Incivility blocks discussions, as I've got my attentions on two other policy related topics (which I've been involved with longer). Spreading myself out too thin, can be overly confusing for myself & distractive, concerning my Wiki-personality. I'll be watching from time to time though, so good luck. GoodDay (talk) 20:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs GoodDay, your input has been really valuable so far - many thanks! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

ANI
Hi, tbsdy. I have posted an appeal to you on ANI. Bishonen | talk 21:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Thank you for informing me of this thread. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's been archived. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

HollidayMediaInc
I have counseled regarding conflict of interest and created  for him to use. Fred Talk 00:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Fred, much appreciated :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:39, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

etrace deletion
Please advise why you deleted the eTrace entry. There was no copyright issue. (Computer Guy 2 (talk) 13:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC))
 * It appears you are correct. I have restored, but this is still a primary source document. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to revise the title? When initiated, it automatically saved "Etrace" rather than the proper "eTrace". Thank you.(Computer Guy 2 (talk) 14:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC))
 * There's a technical limitation in mediawiki - all articles start with a capital letter. Rather is unfortunate if you are an Apple Computer fan (IMac, IPod, etc). The best I can do is ETrace. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. (Computer Guy 2 (talk) 14:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC))
 * Not a problem. Sorry for deleting that article, my mistake entirely. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * With regard to page names meeting MOS:TM, lowercase exists for that reason. Ash (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice, thanks Ash, I had no idea :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Indents
Indents do sometimes need to be adjusted to clarify the history of a thread, and I doubt anyone has a problem with it done openly. The trouble was, you changed indents at the same time as making a comment, and left no explanation of the changes you made. It's best to fix the indents without making any other comments, and to explain either in a small comment in the thread or in an edit summary. DuncanHill (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You are being absurd. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm just trying to help someone who doesn't seem to understand the etiquette of discussion threads. If you explain changes you make to indentation or the order of comments in a thread, it helps other editors to understand what is going on. This helps to reduce drama and promote a collegiate atmosphere. If you choose to make unexplained changes, and persistently fail to make use of the edit summary field, it is likely that others will misunderstand or mistrust your actions. DuncanHill (talk) 16:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * As you seem to be pushing a certain point on me, allow me to refer you to WP:TPO.

Editing – or even removing – others' comments is sometimes allowed, but you should exercise caution in doing so. Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments:
 * Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or RfCs, using and other technical markup to fix code samples, and providing wikilinks if it helps in better navigation.
 * I agree that it was not wise to correct your spelling error, though why you think it dishonest I have no idea. But I agree not to do this again. I think that this is rather the end of this conversation. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:30, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As the material you quote directly supports what I was saying I agree there is little point continuing the discussion. DuncanHill (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want to continue, then let's. You have accused me of dishonesty when I merely corrected a very small typo that anyone could have made. This is a direct attack on my character. There was nothing dishonest about it, and I do not appreciate you characterizing me this way. I pride myself in my honesty in all areas, and for you to say that I am a dishonest person is rude and mean. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:40, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing another person's signed comments, withour request, explanation, or apology at the time, strikes me as dishonest. It is "putting words in someone's mouth". To say that a single act is dishonest is not to say that a person is dishonest. I do not define you by a single edit, and I don't judge you on it either. You apologized, and I thank you for that. DuncanHill (talk) 16:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The act was not dishonest at all, it was merely done in good faith. I do not appreciate the way you characterize my editing on Wikipedia. Instead, you decided that you would come down like a ton of bricks on me. Was this a wise thing to do? Do you not think that had you calmly said "Please do not correct my typos, as I do not believe that it accurately reflects my comments" that you might have done better? Instead, you called me dishonest. Had you been more calm then I would have apologised anyway, and you would have avoided any conflict. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is entirely possible for a dishonest act to result from good faith and good intentions, and I did not call you dishonest, I was commenting on the edit - one edit, not "characterizing your edits on Wikipedia". I will say though, that you seem to have an amazing ability to attract drama, disagreement and incivility. DuncanHill (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My goodness, in terms of drama you are the one who accused me of dishonesty because I fixed a typo in your talk page message. That's a capital offence if ever I've seen one. As for your argument, I'm afraid that if you make a good faith typo fix, there is no way that it's dishonest. It is not dishonest to have done this if you did it in good faith. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 16:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't accuse you of dishonesty, I said the action was dishonest. I'm sorry you don't understand the difference. DuncanHill (talk) 17:14, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The action is performed by the man. The act of correcting a typo does not happen all by itself, there must be intent behind the act. You seem overly worried about appearance and form, so if you want to be this precise then I think you should probably take this into account. The act of correcting this typo was really an extremely minor thing to have done, in fact there was no need to have warned me so strongly. I have apologised for offending you, but I refuse to submit to your assertion that the edit was dishonest. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I hesitate to chip in, but as I have crossed swords with Tbsdy on a retrospective text change in an AfD (er, I don't have the diff to hand so I apologise in advance if relying on my memory is a poor decision...), I would point to WP:RTP. My understanding is that you can pretty much do what you will with respect to reformatting and text deletion/archiving the comments of others, however should your edit be likely to change the meaning of the edits of others then the guidance is not to do it and if another editor objects, then there is no choice but to undo the re-factoring. In this instance, compliance with RTP means that one can assume good intentions but such minor reformatting must be reversed as an objection has been made, the nature, validity or motivation of such objections is irrelevant. Ash (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I am willing to be corrected (though Ash, do you have my talk page on your watchlist?!? you seem to see some mighty obscure threads here... not that I mind terribly much I suppose), but can you point me directly to this policy? This seems rather silly though, honestly I corrected the most minor typo you could imagine and all of a sudden I have two editors commenting, one of whom has accused me of dishonesty, of all things! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hold on... I just saw the link. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, that's fair enough. I thought that an apology would be enough, but the how-to guide says differently. Of course, it mentions that this only applies if good faith is lacking in the thread, so from this I suppose that I am to understand that there was an assumption that my edit was done in bad faith and for some nefarious reason. That was a heavily trafficked thread I'm afraid so there were a lot of edit conflicts going on. That's one reason I did my edits in one edit, not many. Far less disruptive. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 18:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * you might like to read WP:ES as well "It is considered good practice to always provide an edit summary, but it is especially important when reverting the actions of other editors, or if you delete any text; otherwise, people may question your motives for the edit.
 * Accurate summaries help other editors decide whether it is worthwhile for them to check a change, and to understand it if they choose to check it. Summaries are less essential for "minor changes", but a summary like "fixed spelling" is helpful even then." DuncanHill (talk) 18:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Duncan, how descriptive do you think that the single word "reply" is when you are responding to a comment on a talk page? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 18:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It tells people on their watchlist that my edit was a reply, and not a change of indent, move of comments, or new point. I had assumed good faith, and that you were unfamiliar with the guidance on edit summaries, so I suggested you read it, and gave you a link. I apologise for doing that. DuncanHill (talk) 18:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)