User talk:Tdroback

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Hello, Tdroback, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.

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Note about Exekias and Warfare
If it's a rough draft of your article, it belongs in your sandbox at User:Tdroback/sandbox. Please do not create it in article space. to see if you have additional things to add... – Train2104 (t • c) 00:18, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Tdroback! I have to agree with Train2104 - if the article is incomplete (ie, not the final product) then it shouldn't be in the mainspace. I don't think that it was ready for the mainspace for a few reasons, which I'll elaborate on below:


 * I'm concerned that some of this is your own original research on the topic, as almost all of the sourcing looks to be photographs of the artwork in question rather than papers or academic research about the artwork and topic in specific. This doesn't mean that your conclusions would be wrong, just that on Wikipedia we can only include conclusions and research that has been explicitly stated in a reliable source by an authority on the subject.
 * You used Wikipedia as a source a few times, however Wikipedia cannot be used as a reliable source because it can be edited by anyone and is a fairly dynamic source. In other words, Wikipedia cannot even source itself. Now the sourcing in another Wikipedia article can potentially be used as a reliable source, but the article itself cannot.
 * Since this is one of the themes in the artist's work, I think that this would likely be best summed up in the themes section of the artist's article, especially as the main article isn't so overly long that a new article on this specific theme would be absolutely necessary. You could probably create a subsection in the themes section and cover the warfare theme. I would reduce the coverage of the two artworks you use as examples in the article to just a few sections, especially as the content comes across as original research.


 * Don't take any of this badly - the basic idea here is good and I think that your heart is in the right place. It's also a pretty common mistake - I did a lot of these when I first started editing under my main account. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Image copy
Hi! I noticed that you uploaded File:Dionysus Eye Cup by Exekias.jpg, however this seems to be a duplicate of File:Exekias Dionysos Staatliche Antikensammlungen 2044.jpg, which is already on Wikipedia. It looks like that image is already in use at eye-cup, Dionysus Cup, and Exekias, so there's really not much need for a duplicate copy. I'm going to go ahead and take care of this, but you will want to change the image on your draft. This looks like it could have been an easy mistake to make when searching Commons, as the term eye-cup isn't specifically in the original file. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, be very, very careful when uploading images. Make sure that you properly mark the content with information about where the image came from and what copyright it falls under. When you upload the content as your own work you're saying that you were the person who originally took the photograph of the artifact, which isn't the case here. The only time you can mark something as your own work is when you have taken the picture yourself or when you you are uploading something you have created yourself. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:24, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I had to nominate File:Dionyssus Crossing the Sea Eye Cup Handle by Exekias.jpg for deletion for copyright issues, as it was taken from this Flickr account. The image does have a Creative Commons license, however it's not one that is compatible with Wikimedia Commons. Please be very careful and do not upload images that you find on the Internet unless they are very clearly and explicitly marked as possessing a compatible copyright. I've seen another image of yours that looks to have issues with its copyright and if I can't find where the image was released under a compatible copyright, that will also have to be deleted.
 * I would like you to go through the module on contributing images and files before uploading anything else, thanks. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Signing
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Article deletion
Hi, I received a notification that you had moved your sandbox live again. Please do not do this, as the article still has issues with sourcing and doesn't show how this specific topic is notable outside of the artist themselves. My recommendation is still to sum this up in a section that discusses the artist's overall themes rather than by specific pieces of artwork. However before this is done you must have sourcing that goes into depth about the topic and is specifically about Exekias and his themes/style.

This is good, as the Penn Museum is a reliable source and anything written there would definitely undergo the type of editorial oversight Wikipedia requires. This source, however, would not be usable because the source never actually mentions Exekias and instead credits the work to a different artist. This would be considered a self-published source on Wikipedia, as anyone can create a workspace on there - it's actually relatively common for some educators to use it as a teaching tool. Since we have no way to verify the editorial oversight of the material, we can't use this as a source either. This isn't a slight against the educator or her content, it's just that it's very difficult for any sourcing - but especially self-published ones - to be considered reliable.

The only source that would be considered usable is the Penn Museum piece, however that by itself isn't enough to back up the section I mentioned above so you would still need to find more sourcing. Again, please do not move your work live at this point in time, as it's not ready. I know that you've worked on this, but it just doesn't pass Wikipedia guidelines and it would just end up being moved back to your userspace or otherwise deleted Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:11, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Please do not move your article until you have been advised to do so. You moved this back right after you were explicitly told not to. (Pinging ) Nihlus  23:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi! Please don't move the sandbox live - I really recommend that you work on a themes section for the artist's page rather than an independent article. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:38, 5 December 2017 (UTC)