User talk:Techliam

Danny Garcia/lineal title
Greetings. I have to disagree with the Matthysse fight signifying the start of Garcia's lineal reign. After some digging (as neither the Khan nor Matthysse win had any sources clearly stating "Garcia wins vacant lineal title"), I found a few sources from 2012—around the time he beat Khan—stating that Garcia held the lineal title by that point: 1, 2, 3. Granted, they aren't the best of sources, but to me it does cast doubt over the claim by Cyber Boxing Zone (on their list) that the lineage was established in the Matthysse fight. Would like to hear your view on it. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

The issue is fairly simple to me. Khan and Garcia were not ranked 1 and 2, which is the principle of boxing lineage. Khan was coming off a loss, Garcia wasn't accomplished. The RING ranked them 1 and 3, which isn't enough for a lineage. So there is definitely no claim for Khan/Garcia being a lineal title fight. It was valid for the RING title, but thats a different accolade. Your first and third source doesn't seem aware than the RING title and lineal title are different, but the second one I am a little surprised at. CBZ recognised Garcia and Matthysse as 1 and 2 (their recognition spans from 2013, and their rules are rigid), as did TBRB and Boxingscene  I am struggling to find any credible (who study boxing lineage) source which seems to disagree. Techliam (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Alrighty. I can't say I disagree with that, hence why I didn't revert. However, some parts are still a little hazy for my liking, in that I couldn't find a source from September '13 which explicitly states "Garcia and Matthysse are fighting for the vacant lineal title", and that there are a few from '12 which say it was on the line for Garcia–Khan. Nonetheless if you find anything more related to the former, do let me know—it'd be good to add to the prose of Garcia and Matthysse's articles. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:52, 5 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I understand. Boxing lineage is more of an exercise for 'historians' and the boxing hardcore, more so than a widely reported and accepted title. You won't see it reported too often (in any relevant detail), because its a system that most casual fans and onlookers don't need to or probably want to understand. The RING had the unique position of being a widely recognised title of prestige, separate from the usual ABC titles, up until it changed its rules and was bought out by a promoter. Lineage hasn't quite risen to that level, nor would I expect it to any time soon Techliam (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2016 (UTC)