User talk:Technical 13/2014/2

Belated thanks
I know this is terribly late but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your participation at my RfA. I was very inspired by the many that supported me and it’s that feeling of friendship and camaraderie that keeps me coming back to the project. So, thank you for your support and for your continued sense of fairness and compassion in all areas of WP. I look forward to the opportunity to work together in the days to come. Best wishes, -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 19:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Template question
Hey Technical! How are you? Listen, somebody posted a weird question about templates on my talk page, mind having a look? Thanks! PS: Why did someone call you a fuckhead? That's hilarious. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Broken redirects
Hi Technical, I've noticed these broken redirects from a report in your User space. Could you fix when you have time. No urgency, just FYI

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Block list → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/User talk → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Contributions → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Block log → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Global block list → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Global block log → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Abuse log → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/User → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Creation log → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/CentralAuth → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/Search → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp/List users → User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp

JMHamo (talk) 15:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , I'm aware of it as it is intentional for now... I'll eventually create the template I want to create to populate User:Technical 13/Scripts/ACCHelp once the script is out of beta status most likely. Thanks for the note though. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 22:29, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Updating Template: Welcomeg
Can you advise how to make my proposed template at Template Talk: Welcomeg collapsible with a button to show it or hide it. I did not see anything in the "Collapsible and recent changes" talk section that pointed to anything that I could use.

If you can, please explain the wikicodes below in the welcoming introduction section at the very top of the template.

what is the benefit of having that code in the template instead of just having the plain text, Happy editing!

what is the purpose of this code? It just seems to display four tildes, which are meaningless when displayed in the introduction box on a new user's page. Doesn't all of that wikicode need to be edited and replaced by the person, who adds the the Welcome template to a new user's page, with four tildes so that their user name and date appears? Can this wikicode be set up so that it automatically puts in four tildes for the person, who adds the Welcome template to a user's page, so the person does not have to do any editing/replacement? Wondering55 (talk) 03:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Wondering, there is a lot of documentation on how templates work that you should probably read before working on them too much more. Some of it can be confusing... To answer your first question, m:Help:Templates probably explains it best.  Basically, when the template is transcluded (or substituted), whatever is in the template called in the named parameter 1 will be used where  is.  If there is no named 1, then whatever is implied in the first unnamed parameter slot will be used where  is.  If there is no named  1 and there is no first unnamed parameter, then the default text of "Happy editing!" will be used.
 * For your second question, you will need to read up on mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions, m:Help:Substitution (WP:SAFESUBST), m:Help:Template (WP:NOINCLUDE), Yesno (read the doc). Basically, what it means is that if nosig doesn't exist in any way or is "n", "no", or "0" then it should substitute ~ on the page which will expand automatically upon saving into the signature of whomever posted the template on the talk page.  If nosig exists and is not any of those three no values, then it skips that section all together and no signature is included (which is only useful if the user is using a script that adds the signature, this will prevent a double signature).  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanations. I would still appreciate if you can advise how to make my proposed template at Template Talk: Welcomeg collapsible with a button to show it or hide it.
 * In regards to the second command, it seems that if I remove the at the end of the wikicode, as shown below, then I get my signature and date displayed.

Hello,, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~ ) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement.
 * Many users, who are not familiar with wikicode and do not have the time or interest to brush up on these very technical matters, would not be able to figure out that by removing that last command,, or further modifications to  , they would get their signature and date, as shown by an alternate command,   that I found on another user's page

Hello,, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~ ) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement.
 * In addition, if a user simply adds four tildes at the end without making any modifications to the wikicode, the final welcome shows four plain tildes, which do not mean anything to the user who gets the welcome message, displayed at the end of the welcome message, and the provider's signature and date outside the box, which does not look right.

Hello,, and Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place  on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by using four tildes ( ~ ) or by clicking if shown; this will automatically produce your username and the date. Also, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field with your edits. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Wondering55 (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there a way that hidden comments can be included with the welcoming message, that would clearly explain what a provider, many of whom may not be familiar with all of the intricacies of wikicode, should do in order to have their signature properly displayed when they provide the welcome template to a new user?
 * Thanks again for your help and answers. Wondering55 (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * , you're not suppose to remove the . You are suppose to simply subst the template.  As far as the collapsible thing goes, it should be fairly easy to do, but I'm not sure it should be done and I would prefer that you start a separate discussion on the template's talk page asking what others think... If there is a consensus, then it can be done.  Note that since the template is substituted, it will be very hard for users to be able to figure out how to change the default state and that may be a bad thing.  Comments can be (and are) included, however, what you are proposing does not need to be done, and would be very confusing to have a comment telling users to do something that can't be done.  I know that transclusion and substitution can be very difficult concepts to grasp (I still have a hard time now and again remembering exactly how it works so I can apply code to do what I want, and I've been transcluding and substituting and writing code for over four years now).  As an example/test, I want you to go to User:Wondering55/sandbox/templates and post the following code:


 * Then, I want you to save the page. Now, looking at the page, the results will look almost identical except that one will have a signature, and the other won't (but will instead just show the four tildes)... It will look something like:
 * Transclude with Mobilesig
 * Transcluded:
 * Substitute with {{subst:Mobilesig}}
 * Substituted: yes — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 16:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * While this is a live example, I'd still like you to create that page in your sandbox as a reference. ;) Now, when you view the source of that page, after the save, what you will see will be something like (with a time/date that matches when the page was saved):


 * This demonstrates the difference between transclusion and substitution. Substitution actually changes the wikicode on the page to what ever the end result would have been if transcluded.  The key difference is the way that it handles signatures and the include tags, which tell it what parts of the template should or shouldn't be used.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 16:18, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I will try out your instructions and see what happens.
 * I would like to play around with the collapsible table feature so that I can see for myself how it would look. Can you provide me with some similar guidance/instructions on what I would need to do, along with a wikilink, if it would be helpful.
 * How do I get feedback, consensus, and resolution on all the changes that I have been making to the proposed table that I have been adding with various explanations? Right now, no one has been commenting on my updated versions, which I have revised several times based on original feedback. How can my proposed changes, which were noted by one novice user as a great improvement over the current template, see the light of day in an official updated template? Wondering55 (talk) 17:04, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm opposed to the collapsible feature at this time, I need some more time to think about how it would work. You simply post to the talk page, then you can use things like Help me, Edit semi-protected, Edit template-protected, or Rfc to gain additional attention.  For the record, I've been watching that talk page and have been following right along.  ;) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 17:10, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have posted my request for feedback on the template page. I would welcome your comments about the benefits and any drawbacks or need for further modifications of the proposed updated table.


 * As I indicated on that page, a collapsible table version might be very helpful for users with smart phones or portable tabular screens, which are more compact. I have a very big desktop screen so it is no big deal to me if there is no collapsible version. If you can direct me somewhere that I can find useful info on collapsible commands for the welcome table that I am currently working on, or even for regular tables that I regularly find in other Wikipedia articles, I would appreciate it. I would eventually defer to your expertise on any final collapsible version for the welcome table if the consensus on the template page feels there is a legitimate need. Wondering55 (talk) 22:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

The Welcomeg template has the note below.


 *  User will point talk links to User talk:User. Useful to point to a user talk page other than your own.

If I substitute a user name, like Imzadi ( Imzadi ), it displays, as shown below. It just posts that user's name next to my signature with my linked Talk page at the end of the Introduction without pointing to Imzadi's talk page. Am I missing something or is there a flaw in the template?

If I want to post the template on someone's page so that the Introduction directs the user to Imzadi's talk page rather then my Talk page for the bold highlighted item below (which is a wikilink in the Introduction) what needs to be done?


 * If you need help, check out useful resources & Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or ask a question on your talk page....

Wondering55 (talk) 02:01, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
Hi. This is Rajan Sidhu. Thanks for invitation at Teahouse. Sir, I have to discuss a thing regarding an article. The film Ra.One is a bilingual film shot simultaneously in Hindi and. But sir the page is so patrolled that the edit gets reverted. The page is well known for its dispute for Language. Sir, 2 users User:TekkenJinKazama & User:Malqrrishh used to edit the page and they were warned despite the 2 latter users were right. Sir, I didn't edited though if i did they will revert the edit and thus they can make me indulge in edit war. Sir, why do they not understanding that it has a liberal English use. Despite the editors constantly changed their contributions and labelled them with a charge of edit war. Please sir i need your help. Just add English language there and save it. Keep Hindi as it is. It will be grateful. Thanks sir once again and get well soon. And this user User:Kailash29792 is sole responsible for Edit war. R★S★S (Your Precious Reply) 12:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, this sounds just exactly like User:TekkenJinKazama who was indefinitely blocked a day before this account was created and they have just the same interests. Pure coincidence, of course.  SPI will be filed tomorrow (too tired for tonight).  Ravensfire ( talk ) 03:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * See WP:Sockpuppet investigations/TekkenJinKazama. Ravensfire ( talk ) 14:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I, the "sole responsible for Edit war"? That is both grammatically and factually incorrect. I am doing just what Raven is doing, i.e. being evidently correct. Having seen Ra.One in the theatre, I can conclude that English is only sparsely spoken in the film (and only in the first half, which is set in London). So it is absurd to call it a part-English film just for a few English dialogues (I mean, would you call Terminator a Spanish film because Arnie often says in it "Hasta la Vista"? Or the Cantonese film Ip Man as English, because it was dubbed in the same language?) Kailash29792 (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Talkback
Requesting input at the discussion: !Vote requested to clarify matters about awards sent. I understand that you prefer not to receive talkbacks, but I'd rather notify you this way, rather than pinging everyone at the discussion. NorthAmerica1000 00:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox software
Hi.

How do you do? Er... your contribution to Infobox software is broken. What where you trying to do?

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Lisa, I was adding two new parameters to the template to allow for linking to the source code (on whatever repo it is on) for each the stable and beta versions, and I do realize that some may have multiple platforms/languages, but that can be handled the same way as the dates. I was also attempting to fix the now broken via revert license/licence parameter which doesn't make the two parameters mutually exclusive. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarification. I will repair the license field immediately.


 * Links to repositories have been discussed before and rejected, though I am not sure whether if it was in Template talk:Infobox software or the talk page of one of the other infoboxes. (OS, OS version, web browser).


 * Just for the record: I have been talking to right now and I discovered that her edit did not appear correctly on my console. So, I just want to clarify that the fault which appears on my console includes two label5s, two label7s and their corresponding redundant fields. Plus, release version is dropped off entirely. Most probably, not your fault.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 15:12, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Correction: Sorry, the license field problem that I saw was in your own edit. Erm, exactly how the license field you wanted to be?
 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 15:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It is getting late
Hello Technical 13, I'm here again. It seems to me that your proposal at WT:ORPHAN has not been reviewed by the members yet. So, I have another idea, can we use our mass message sender rights to send a message on all the participants talkpage and ask for comments on the proposal. I have already tested (not by MMS) it on s talkpage here and yes it worked he commented on the proposal. Now I need your opinion? Thank you.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 02:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , be a good chance for you to try out your new privs...  I've done it before with no issue (actually have a snippet of JavaScript I have used to build a mailing list based on visitors to a page).  Let me know if you need any help. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 03:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Now I really need some help, Can you help me, how to send mass messages? Actually I'm having trouble with the lists. I don't know how to link with the list. And even when I linked it with this test list. It haven't worked. I haven't got any mail. So I was wondering if you can help me.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 14:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I fixed your list and you can either create your list using the top example (to your user page), or using the template that creates list items (via a lua module which has options for marking people as inactive or blocked) like the bottom item. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 15:09, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Now I can use it. Really, you are a great technical man. Thanks again.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 00:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Technical 13, now I see our proposal at WT:ORPHAN has been supported by our participants. Few have asked some question can you clarify there queries. Thank you.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 14:41, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello . What needs an answer from me?  All the questions I see seem to be directed to you.  I'm just the code writer, so I can only answer technical questions. :p — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 15:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, our proposal was accepted by most of the active participants and I think we should start working on the script because we have to complete the script within the next BLD i.e. by 21 May 2014. So, should we start ?? Your opinion??   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 07:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Spaces added to URLs
In this edit, you added spaces to a lot of the URLs, breaking them. I fixed them all on that page. Can you fix them anywhere else you may have run that script and fix the script to not do that anymore? Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , it is a bug in 's wikEd and I believe it has been reported and is a known bug. Not much I can do to fix it beyond that as wikEd is too complex for me to find what is causing it at this stage. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 21:04, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)
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Talk:Miranda Cosgrove
Obviously, something went wrong. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 12:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

EPH mishap
I saw your recent mishap with EPH. I can't reproduce the problem, and no changes were made to the script between 00:41, 28 April 2014, when it worked for you, and 11:37, 29 April 2014, when it didn't. Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do about it unless I see one of the diffs. Can you ask an admin to email me one? Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:32, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , can one of you email one or two of the diffs so he can debug and see what happened please?  Thanks, I appreciate it. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 18:09, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Why were they revdeled? Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:20, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * They were revdeled because I requested it on IRC due to the fact my IP address was posted in the mess. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 19:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * They should have been oversighted, then, but whatever, I guess. I can't do it right now, but I'll redact the IP addresses and email some of the diffs when I get a chance, probably sometime in the next six hours or so (if nobody's beat me to the punch by then). Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I was asked if I wanted OS and said no. I'm not worried about admins seeing my IP, I just didn't want anon IPs to see it since I've done quite a bit of account creation (and denials). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 20:40, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, I have two of the diffs in a somewhat-readable format; I wasn't really sure how to extract them legibly, so I winged it. If you could, shoot me an email so that I can attach the files back to you. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 03:15, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Email sent. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 03:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is unrelated to EPH. You have a virus called Sendori that injects crap into Web pages, and it happened to inject crap into the part that EPH submits. Remove it and the problem will go away. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Can't decline this one
User talk:Primemin. I thought I'd solved it when I deleted an extra "|" from the template, but no... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:06, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm using AFCH-RW v0.7 and there was no review link at all on the user page, so I moved it to AFC space. The next thing I tried was to clean the draft, and the script won't even load, it is giving me some   error.  I'm pinging  and next thing I'm going to try is putting that "extra" | back (as it is not actually extra and belongs there).  If that doesn't help, hopefully Theo can help figure it out.  Will report back here in a bit. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Put that pipe back and now the rewrite script is working., what did you want to decline it as?  Different declines "could" have different results. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 14:41, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like the script got confused when no status was specified. I'm on mobile right now but will take a look tonight. Thanks,  Theopolisme ( talk )  14:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Jusy plain ol' non-notable. Thanks for that! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I dunno what just happened there. I give up. Won't touch it anymore. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Prime_Ministers_%28band%29&diff=606807110&oldid=606806908 declined as nn on your behalf using the rewrite script version 0.7 with no issues. May have been an issue with it not working in User: space, or it may have been an issue with an older version of the script you were using, either way, the newest script is working when in the right namespace.  Theo, please do check on why there was no review option when it was in user space.  Feel free to use User:Technical-13 as a sandbox and I'll just roll it back when you are done.. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 19:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Having issue with this one now. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Because you thanked me
23:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

MassMessage help
Hi Technical 13,

I came across your name whilst trying to work out how to use the MassMessage service. Back in the days of, I was (and still am) on the list of approved members. However, I took a bit of a hiatus back in January, and wasn't aware that the messaging service had been changed. I'm now confused how the new system works, and I'm banging my head against a brick wall working out what the hell I'm suppose to do in order to send a project newsletter out to its members. The members are on this list, but apparently I've to create some target list. Not a clue how to do that, and I feel totally lost.

Would it be possible if you could kindly explain to me how the new system works and what steps I need to take in order to send a newsletter using the new system? Feel free to post the information on my own talk page, so that I have it there for future reference. Thank you in advance. Wes    Mᴥuse   19:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting. There are some instructions on using the new system on, MassMessage, and mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage.  There is also a template you may wish to use Mailing list member that has some interesting features and make it a little easier.  You can also look at existing mailing lists to see how they should all be put together.  If you have any further specific questions after looking all that over, I'd be happy to help you out. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 21:13, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that information, Tech13. I'm just confused as to where I make this mailing list thingamajig?  The guidance itself isn't helpful and just says to make such a list, but nothing as to where this list should be made.  Oh how I miss EdwardsBot lol. At least I knew what I was doing with that thing.  This new version is very confusing, and the guidance isn't exactly in Layman's terms.   Wes     Mᴥuse   21:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Woohoo I did it. I haven't a clue how I did it, but the important thing is I managed to figure it out.  Although my brain feels a bit frazzled now.  Phew, I need a coffee after all that.  Thank you for all the help you provided, I really appreciate it sincerely.    Wes     Mᴥuse   23:54, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ahh. The list can be anywhere and allows for mixed content.  You could adjust your existing page to be the list.  The MMs bot only cares about the #target: calls. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 02:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment
I just stopped by to express my disappointment at your actions on the discussion that I closed yesterday. You are right to express and defend your ideas, but there comes a time when you need to step back and listen to others. Part of working in a collaborative environment is the need to be able to compromise and know when to back off. There is no way that that discussion should have needed an outside editor to come in and close it. It is was nowhere near a close call. You ought to accepted consensus and stopped blocking progress. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * , while that is all well and good, I'm the one that has to go through every single draft and fix them to break the templates and comments out into the talk page where they belong wasting hundreds of hours. I'm not impressed at all . — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 10:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You do not have to do any such thing. We are all volunteers here just doing what we want; nobody has to do anything :) In any case, the situation for years has been that comments are mixed with content, and this change has not made the situation any worse. I agree with you that, ideally, comments would be placed on the talk page. But there is the real danger than newbies would miss them there. (The whole namespace concept is lost on newbies.) So I think we should discuss this very carefully. Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Me again. Your contributions to the discussion on Template talk:Welcome are making me seriously question whether we should be trusting you to answer protected edit requests. Numerous editors have explained why your reasoning is faulty, and you seem to have misconceptions about some of basic principles of how Wikipedia works. I'm not sure why you persist in arguing over inconsequential details, but perhaps it is time to focus on a different area of the project for a while? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * , it is quite simply because the new changed without consensus wording is confusing to new users and I don't want to get any more emails complaining about it. So, since there was no consensus for this new wording, it was a bold edit in an attempt to get consensus by editing.  I object to this new wording, and therefor it needs to be reverted or otherwise fixed so I don't get any more emails. I've offered a suitable replacement wording, any the only object is that it "feels weird" to thank someone for their actions. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 12:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Technical, I asked on the template talk page, but perhaps it slipped through the cracks before. Would you mind providing the usernames of a few editors who have been improperly welcomed/thanked with the new template? (Also, after reading the above, it wasn't thanking someone for their actions that felt "weird" grammatically to me, but thanking someone for what their actions did. ~Adjwilley (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback from Davykamanzi
Davykamanzi →  talk  •  contribs  •  alter ego   11:07, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Notification of a June AfC BackLog Drive
 Hello Technical 13:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a  month long Backlog Elimination Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running from June 1, 2014 to June 30, 2014.

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 * You sent the above mail to yourself... he he :D
 * Btw please let me know if you have anything else to send, my MMS extension is waiting :)  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 15:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I happened to also be on that mailing list. Your MMS extension?  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 16:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I mean, I have used my MassMessage rights only for three times till now. I want to use it more so if you have any more mailings please let me know I want to make use of my flag and send some mails :)  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 16:30, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand . The best way to do that is to watch the talk page where requests for mailings are made. :)  This request might have been a little tricky because the mailing list wasn't where the requester thought it was and required the template they wanted to use to send the message to be modified to accept a new parameter.  But, if you watch that page, I'm sure you'll see some requests that you can fulfill. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 16:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * did you mean Who have... actually this user right generally given if you have grandfathered Edwardbot which is now replaced by this right. By this right one can send out messages to multiple users by a mailing list. You can also get this tools if you are coordinating a meetup or a WikiProject which sends newsletters and backlog drive notifications etc. I have coordinated WP:ORPHAN that is why I got this tool. Technical 13 thanks for the suggestion WT:MMS is now on my watchlist.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 17:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Responding to protected edit requests
Hi, I've noticed several times in the past that when responding to protected edit requests, you are causing damage to other content on the page. This seems to be still occurring; the latest instance that I have noticed is from earlier today. Such damage often occurs in an entirely different thread, which suggests to me that you are editing the whole page, instead of the relevant section. Therefore, in future, please would you: (i) edit only the section that you are posing to, and not the whole page; (ii) use the "Show changes" button before saving, to make sure that you are not changing something else. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, it is a parsoid bug that is reflected in 's User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper script. I catch it "most" of the time, but do occasionally miss one especially if it was way up or down the screen as when the page reloads after the fix, it takes me back to near where the edit request was, the top of the page, or the next edit request if there are more on the page.  On long pages, it is easy to miss this issue.  The only way to really fix it is to get the developers to fix parsoid.  In the mean time, I thank you and appreciate any fixes to such issues that you catch I may have missed. Jack, do you think that the script could load a "last change" in a new tab until parsoid is fixed to make it harder to miss these? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 19:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If it's a script, then as with other user scripts such as WP:AWB, you are responsible for all edits made using the script. If the script is buggy (which it appears to be), either get it fixed or stop using it. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The actual cause of these are a few minor bugs in mw:extension:Parsoid, the same thing that powers VisualEditor. As I see these bugs, I've been reporting them, but there's really nothing else that we can do about them. (After all, we don't have a rule against using VisualEditor, even though it has the same glitches as well.) Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not the script that is buggy, it is the MediaWiki software. So, it's nothing like AWB (which isn't a script, it's an independent program).  Like I said, there isn't much that can be done until the developers decide to fix the MediaWiki software, and I don't expect them to get rid of parsoid or VisualEditor because of these bugs. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 19:41, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Same goes. If VE screws up the page you're working on, don't use VE. I don't. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Rose, it's MediaWiki that's screwing up, and if you expect everyone to quit using it, nothing will get done at all because that's all of Wikipedia. That seems a bit silly to me...  Anyways, hopefully the developers will get MediaWiki and Parsoid fixed soon. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 22:57, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If the problem lies with parsoid, why do you think that MediaWiki is broken? They are not the same. How can you be sure that the bug isn't in your script? I don't see anything else screwing up pages in this manner. If it was a fault with MediaWiki, as you seem to be saying, I would expect the problem to be much more extensive; and I would expect that edits made by myself would exhibit the same problem - but AFAICT, they don't. Every single edit that I have ever made has gone through MediaWiki, so can you find one - any one - which has screwed up the page in the manner as your script?
 * And as I have explained before, talk page indenting is done with colons, not asterisks/bullets. See for example Help:Using talk pages (where asterisks/bullets are not mentioned at all); Indentation (which only once mentions bullets, and doesn't say that they should be used for indenting); and Talk page guidelines (which mentions bullets three times). Regarding this last, the three mentions are: once to show that the removal of bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC) is permitted; once to show that blank lines should not be used between lines within an indented or bulleted list; and once to show that colons are used for indentation, not bullet points, except in deletion discussions. None of these advocate the use of bullets for regular talk page indenting. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Parsoid is a MediaWiki extension, written by MediaWiki developers as part of the MediaWiki product. Therefor, it is a component of MediaWiki and if it is broken, MediaWiki is broken.  It's like spokes of a wheel, if a spoke is broken, then the whole wheel is broken.  It's not my script, so for details of how it is known to be a mw:extension:Parsoid issue instead of an EPH issue, you will have to ask.
 * As I have said before, WP:INTERSPERSE requires clear indentation, and using colons is unclear as all of the posts at the same level aren't distinguishable from each other. Also, it is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting.  Finally, cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection. I've objected many times to you editing my comments, as such, you should stop because you know that TPO isn't an excuse to ignore my request for you to stop changing my bullet indenting to whitespace indenting on my own talk page. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 13:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * You're . Please stop. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Tim Huelskamp
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ACC:121747
Maybe that should of been a password reset ? Mlpearc ( open channel ) 20:59, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I considered that,, but based on the comment, I got the idea that wasn't the case. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 00:27, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

IRC Bot
Hi T13,

Long time no see! How've you been? Yesterday, I got auto-Klined from freenode, as my IRC bot was spamming. I have sent them an email regarding the Kline, yet I have not received a reply yet. Now, the bot doesn't work at all. It is coded in Python. Would you be able to help me? If so, do you have Skype or something so that we can communicate (via messaging, not necessarily calling)? --JustBerry (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I know nothing about python just yet but I'm led to believe that might. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (t • e • c) 22:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * JustBerry, can you post the source code on GitHub or another code hosting platform so perhaps one of us can take a look?  Theopolisme ( talk )  22:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Respect edit request
The Reliable Source IS the CURRENT source. Iliekinfo (talk) 23:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your Teahouse photo
There is a red link instead of a photo, when your name is shown as one of the Teahouse hosts.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 17:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is because an image that should have been PD was deleted as non-free from commons. I don't personally care to fix it at the moment, but if you find a new image that you think I might like that suits my personality, feel free to change it. Thanks. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you would like.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Dead
Am gone, I mean am dead! Adminstrators are going to eat me now... :'(  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 13:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Pfft,, this is only Wikipedia. You'll be fine.  I don't expect a block, although your  may be taken from you.  Then again, there is a lot of discussion and there is enough disagreement about whether what you did was right or wrong that I'm not sure that will happen either.  Just keep your chin up.  :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Technical 13, your comment was really encouraging; I hope they don't drop a block bomb at me. I'm really afraid O.o    J i m Carter  ( talk ) 14:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, since I feel the worst part of such things is the suspense, I've opened a new section to the discussion and supported that you just be reprimanded and limited (kind of like an inverted topic ban) to just WP:ORPHAN retention mass mailings. This should be a fairly quick decision by most, and I think you will be fine.  Feel free to !vote yourself, and although I understand it will be difficult, try to keep your comment short and to the point.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone closed the discussion???? :'(  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 15:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine. The discussion was opened, and it was apparently decided nothing should be done.  I wouldn't worry about it. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ooouuhh... At last I'm not dead. The credit goes to you. Infinite thanks. And how about adding your opinion on the proposal since I haven't added your name in the list. :P


 * I also promise to only use this right for the WikiProject Orphanage purpose only. Thank you again now am feeling good.  :)   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 19:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

RfA Proposal
Hello Technical 13, I would like to formally ask you: would you like an RfA? --JustBerry (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's been suggested to me before and I quite honestly do not have the time to go through an RfA and I'm not interested in accomplishing any of the page creation and page editing and AfD requirements anyways.  I am also somewhat ill (extreme stress, depression, and anxiety about my fairly recent divorce, keeping up with school, and the well being of my daughter) so for now I wouldn't make a good candidate anyways.   My only goals here at the moment are to try and escape some of the anxiety and work on technical aspects of the wiki in doing so (templates, JavaScripts, PHP on the backend maybe).  I appreciate your offer however and the reason that I reverted your removal of the proposal is that you are not the first to offer (I've actually had other administrators offer to nominate me) and I think it will be good to leave this hear to prevent the next person from asking.  Eventually this will be archived and perhaps by then I'll be a little more mentally capable of going through the process.  Be well! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:3D software#Classification added on 2 June 2014
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:3D software. Thanks. Codename Lisa (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I just made these...
Hi.

I just finished making these:



Hopefully, they will cover up your userbox losses, caused by recent killings in Commons. Some admin just deleted the 2002 logos in spite of the DR for the file having ended as kept.

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 18:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

What browser?
What browser (and version) is this from? Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:31, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The latest Firefox (29 I think). . It may have something to do with I have the preference checked to disable forced https and use http.  This can probably best be fixed by using relative protocols or detecting if the current page url is http or https. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 00:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I already do that. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:58, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm having trouble
Hey friend, I'm having a trouble. I want to add something in the script used by Page curation. I frequently use Page curation to review pages. And honestly I always use Page curation to request articles for CSD. But I often face a problem to keep track of those article. (I sometime have 100 edits per day) And I have 1800 articles on my watchlist. So, I can't track if the article is deleted or the deletion tag has been removed by the author. So I want to add some code to the MediaWiki script so that it can create a subpage similar to User:Jim Cartar/CSD log created by TW. And it will update whenever Page curation is used to add a CSD tag. How is my idea? I think it will also help other users to keep a record.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 16:13, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm asking you because I know you are an expert of Js related discussion.   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 16:16, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I know nothing of how page curation works really. Have you tried bringing up this idea on the talk page for page curation?  I'm sure one of the developers would be happy to add it as an option?  I like having the log too, and I do a lot of AfC stuff, so I talked to the developers of the AFCH and now it will log CSDs to the same page Twinkle uses (to keep them all in the same place and make it easier to track).  If you need specific help in proposing the idea, just point me to the talk page for page curation (and or the talk page of the script they use) and I'd be happy to propose it. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have started a thread here you can add something if you like to. BTW I think you are also a AFCH developer?    J i m Carter  ( talk ) 18:24, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Merging drafts from AfC
Thank you for your comment at WikiProject Ireland. My problem is a technical one. Can draft articles at AfC be merged into other articles in exactly the same way as articles in mainspace? I don't know the technicalities of AfC and I don't want to "break" anything. I suggested to that he should go ahead and create the article, and then we can go through the normal merge process, but he seems reluctant to do that. Scolaire (talk) 09:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it is probably going to require an administrator to do a proper WP:HISTMERGE and with it being four pages as such, it will likely be a complicated one, and administrators willing to do complicated histmerges can be hard to find. You can try posting it in the Cut-and-paste-move repair holding pen, noting that it may get declined because there are slightly parallel histories, but you should not in the request that you are requesting this before any text-merging is done to make sure that you avoid any problems. I don't know a lot about history merging, it's not something that is done on the other wikis I'm an administrator at. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 12:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Exists template
Regarding your curt edit summary: (a) You broke the template. Unintentionally, of course, but it was broken, and it's in use in hundreds if not thousands of other pages. (b) I am not an expert on the template or how to code it, nor did I have time at the moment to look into it. I just knew that it was broken, and I reverted it to a version that, for my test, worked. It may not have worked for the cases that you were attempting to fix it for, but it worked for cases that your version didn't work for. (c) I could have just contacted you ... but how would I have known whether you were still online, or when you would be next? It needed attention now and I took care of it as best I could for the moment. —Largo Plazo (talk) 14:30, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You misunderstood what I was saying. You knew that "Talk:Tony Hawk's Whatever" was a pagename, and you could see it was previously "" and all you had to do was replace one for the other... I'm taking care of it now. Thanks for letting me know. Happy editing. :) I do believe it is fixed now.. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I get it. But macros are very delicate, especially when there are constructs like 12 consecutive right braces; and I really couldn't be sure that that's all there would have been to it anyway. I wasn't going to take the chance! Thanks. —Largo Plazo (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Request Edit templates
Hey I noticed you were tinkering with the Request Edit template and was wondering if you could help with something User:Sphilbrick has been looking for a technical person for. Basically if you see the Fake Examples section here we need someone to work their magic to make it work.

I think it's the only thing needed before moving it live. CorporateM (Talk) 02:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Ping and .  I'm going to need more details here... Make what work exactly, and what is the definition of "work". — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It sounds like they want a script to make a list of all recent closes of COI edit requests, the same way AFCH makes a list of all recent article accepts. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if that's the case, then the need an EditCOIHelper that can log for them... :p You want that job since it should be a fairly simple adaptation of you EPH, ? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:53, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Yuppers. We have all these categories for closed Request Edits, but with no way to sort them by date to see the recent ones or to see who is closing them, etc. It's sort of a black box system where nobody can see what's going on. The volume is much smaller than AfC or NPP, so the system is not well-developed yet. Volume is growing quickly, so we need something a bit more scalable. CorporateM (Talk) 03:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

At the recent Wikiconference USA, we had a meeting to talk about how to move forward. One aspect is finding a better way to keep track of what we are doing. User:CorporateM is using the AFC templates as a model for a project page, so it seems natural to recycle some of the tools used there for COI Request Edits. However,User:NativeForeigner also suggested that the table at Sockpuppet investigations might also be useful. Obviously, not all fields, but if there were a way to generate a table like that, identifying items such as:
 * Location of request
 * Name of editor making the request
 * Time of original request
 * Name of editor most recently working on servicing the request
 * Time of most recent edits related to the request
 * Interim resolution (not yet touched, open)
 * Final resolution (fully implemented, partially implemented, declined, with reason)
 * Time of final resolution
 * Elapsed time between initial request and final resolution (or current time, if not final)

The table would have all recent items, with items closed over 90 days moved to an archive list.

The above is just off the top of my head, we are likely to identify additional information needed, but this should give you a flavor of what I was hoping to accomplish. I do not have strong feelings on whether the AfC or SPI model is the best starting point, just wanted to make sure it was considered.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  12:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I'm starting to understand, what you need is a bot like or  To check certain categories and build you a response table kind of like what already exists on User:AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable or more like Template:AFC statistics? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:02, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, something like the AfC Statistics seems fine. At some time, it may be useful to analyze some metrics - average length of time from request to resolution, counts of how many are implemented fully, versus partial, versus rejected, etc. I mention this in case it affects how it should be structured. -- S Philbrick (Talk)  13:26, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, the existing AnomieBOT/EDITREQTable has some shortcomings. It doesn't identify who takes up requests, and once an item is handled, it disappears from the table. I don't want items to last in the table forever, but I would like old ones to be archived, so they can be viewed.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  14:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I've tried asking about that, and iirc (my memory is horrible), he said he didn't know how to go about making it accurate information without developing a whole new system and he just didn't have time for that kind of project.  All of his source code for that bot is available from the bot's userspace and if someone was to develop the rest of the system, I'm sure he would consider edit requests for the bot to be more efficient.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I'll check the code. NativeForeigner Talk 20:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Please don't...
...hide the content of Bonkers's user page. It has survived MfD twice, so there's no consensus that it needs to be removed (or rather a consensus that it need not be removed), and doing it without a supporting consensus, and without a request from Bonkers himself, just seems like rubbing salt in the wound to me. I don't think it's necessary. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 22:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I see multiple requests on his talk page for it to be blanked and no opposition, this looks like a consensus to me. I still intend on fixing the coding on the page so it "can" be done, and am wondering if maybe just hiding it from unconfirmed editors would be okay with you (this should block random IPs and search indexers that don't follow robots.txt). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, it's not all right by me (though I don't have any kind of final say about it, of course). It's his user page; I know he doesn't own it, but users have wide discretion on their own user page, and we shouldn't circumvent it without reason. The correct place to go to if people don't like that is MfD, and as I mentioned, the page has already survived two of those. If people want to try it again, they can file another MfD, but until then, I don't see the value of blanking their user page, even if it's only for non-admins. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 22:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine. I'll just fix the broken and missing code then. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
A quick sincere thank you for unlocking Adverse Childhood Experiences (study). FeatherPluma (talk) 01:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Testing changes to individual Twinkle modules on wiki.
I have a change to the Twinkle friendlytalkback module I'm working on, and I'm wondering what I need to do to test that it works properly? The test code is on User:ShoeMaker/Gadget-friendlytalkback.js (which is a alternate account of mine that currently has the regular Twinkle disabled (because I reset it to site default settings for testing)). What do I need to setup on that account to have Twinkle load with my test module instead of the live one? I'm assuming that I need to load a modified main MediaWiki:Gadget-Twinkle.js (I can just through it in my "skin.js" file for testing) that calls my test script instead of the live one? Thanks. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We all have different setups to test Twinkle I think (personally I've set up a local web server and import a dynamically combined script from my hard disc, via my monobook.js). For that reason nobody has ever invested any time to make it easy for /everybody/ to switch to test modules even though it wouldn't be particularly hard to do so (we could even include the github HEAD files ...). Anyhow, if you're only planning minor changes that won't require a whole lot of iteration something like this may be sufficient:undefinedYou'll need to execute the three statements separately to give them time to load the scripts, and the first statement will throw errors since a number of Twinkle modules will be missing and the initialization code can't cope with that. But it will get your module loaded. :) Amalthea  17:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature assistance
Hi T13, I noticed your offer at Village pump (idea lab) to assist those wishing to bring their signature into the 21st century. I made an effort to do this recently but I'm not good enough at CSS. Generally, I want to keep the brown and blue colors and have a larger lowercase "t" at the beginning if possible. Thanks for your help. -  t  u coxn \ talk 00:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello ! Welcome!  I think you will be happy with:
 * which is fourteen characters less than the length of your existing signature, looks nearly identical, and contains no deprecated code.
 * In order to have your t, simply use this code (which makes your signature code length identical to what it is now):


 * Existing: -  t  u coxn \ talk &#160; &#160; New: -  t u coxn \talk &#160; &#160; With  t : -  t u coxn \talk
 * Enjoy! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

"a" vs "an" for acronyms
Ah, yes, maybe I should have begun by googling it. For reference, this is what I was looking for. Here's an excerpt on correct usage. It depends on whether the acronym is pronounced as a word, or as letters, and whether the first sound of the letter/word is hard or soft: a FASB rule; an FOB airfield a LAN schematic; an LAPD memo a MOMA exhibit; an MRI test a NICU nurse; an NPO order a SAM base; an SAT exam Squish7 (talk) 02:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Archiving of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)
Why did you manually archive ? None of them were particularly old (one of them was last commented on yesterday); would have handled them eventually. It would also have put them into the current archive, and not, which was last used for archiving in November 2013. -- Red rose64 (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * They all appeared to be marked as resolved, and they were last commented on 6, 5, 4, & 4 days ago based on the last post. "Something" needed archiving because I was hitting some kind of page length limit that was preventing me from scrolling down to the bottom of the page on my mobile in desktop mode.  I'd never had that problem before and archiving those sections fixed it.  As far as where it got archived to goes, that should be looked into in more depth because Equazicon's archiver uses whatever the regular bot would be using based on the configuration on the page.   Sounds like cluebot isn't updating the page counter like it should be.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:36, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Once again you're blaming the system for errors that you made. Check your edits before saving. I have moved the threads to the proper archive - I would have undone your edits, because (despite what you put above), none of those threads were marked, but subsequent edits to the page mean that "undo" is not possible. -- Red rose64 (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Once again, you are telling me that I need to check my edits before saving when using a fully automated editing tool where checking my edits is impossible as there is no edit window. The final post in most of the threads is the original poster saying "thank you for your responses" which strongly implies that it is resolved.  However, thanks for bringing it to my attention that cluebot isn't preforming all of its duties if it is not updating the count for the archive page number.  I'm digging into that now. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * CB3 never has and never does update the archive counter on the source page. That is how it was designed. It is not a failure of CB3 not "preforming all of its duties". The problem is that One Click Archiver (OCA) was designed specifically to function only with the MizaBot/lowercase sigmabot III style of bots using only numbered archives (lcSB3 does update the counter when moving to a new numbered archive).  OCA was not intended for any other use, except for when a manually updated additional template was placed on the page to give it a counter reference. The real issue is that One Click Archiver is a script which works in a very limited subset of situations, but was released for public use without making it clear that it does not function properly under a large number of situations. Even if that issue had been made clear, I still disagree that it was appropriate to release it for public use with its current limitations. The current limitations are guaranteed to be encountered by most of the people attempting to use it and are guaranteed to cause issues when it is used in that manner. &mdash; Makyen (talk) 03:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * By me removing the commented out and dead MB/LCSBIII config at the top of the page, no-one should be able to use OCA on that page anymore. Issue resolved itself by removing the unused and expired code from the target page. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 03:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I had just looked at your changes on the VPT page and was making a similar statement that the changes should result in OCA failing on the page when I found there was an edit conflict. I agree that this is an acceptable solution as indicating failure to the user is better than archiving to the wrong page without informing the user.
 * The only other significant thing I was saying in that now non-existant edit is that OCA really should be re-designed to properly parse both CB3 and lcSB3 (MizsaBot) configs and handle date based archives in addition to just numbered lcSB3 archive schemes. &mdash; Makyen (talk) 03:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Automatic archiving
Hey I noticed you archived posts on Talk:Yank Barry from a few days ago. You might already know this but wanted to mention that *any* thread that had a reply within the archival-timeriod (in this case which used to be 30 days) would still be kept on the main talkpage. The system was working so far as I can tell - it's just that some of those apparently older threads had very recent replies. I fixed the talkpage Notice so it is clear that the archiving will occur for threads that have no replies within the past 15 days. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , please see User talk:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver. I was tinkering around because there was a report that archiving wasn't working. I couldn't figure out why exactly it was giving that error (which means it must be a bug in the way the script handles the configuration I've been unable to dig into yet), so I tried an alternative measure so that it would work in the future.  That thread was the most stale (no edits in something like 21 days which is over the 15 days you claim it should be now), and made a good testcase. Anyways.  Happy editing and thanks for stopping by! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * So far as I can tell, lowercase sigmabot was apparently working as it was supposed to, it was carrying over content from the main talk into the Archives every day until 8 June when OCA was used a couple of times. I guess I don't understand what you mean by "there was a report that archiving wasn't working" - is archiving in general having issues or was there a concern about that particular talk page?  Also, will it make a difference that there are now two separate sets of code containing "archive = Talk:Yank Barry/Archive %(counter)d|counter = 1"? Thx, Shearonink (talk) 05:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * After I posted above, I saw that the redundant code has been removed by another editor. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Final Appeal
Please stop being obstinate. Per Template_editors I have grounds to believe that you have fallen astray of multiple of the conditions for revocation (including a pattern of performing obviously controversial edits to protected templates without first determining consensus, used the permission to gain the upper hand in disputes, and performed any blatant vandalism). I therefore ask you to do the right thing and revert your controversial implementation. If I do not get satisfaction I will have no other option but to appeal to the appropriate venue (WP:ANI per RFPERM). I would prefer not to do this as it would be a blunt club to deal with a issue and put a permanant stain on your template editing privileges, but your continued misrepresentation of consensus is not acceptable. Hasteur (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * if you believe there is a pattern of misuse (and not just a few bad calls) then the best course of action would be WP:RFC/U. If, at the conclusion, there is firm consensus that some advanced privileges should not be held by this editor, this can be enacted. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 June 2014
A purely procedural note, but I don't feel it was appropriate for you to close that edit request. The nature of the request was a disagreement that Hasteur had with an edit you made. That makes you involved (in a non-admin sense) and therefore, in the eyes of much the Wikipedia community, poorly placed to rule on matters of consensus or to use advanced permissions impartially. I'm not suggesting you re-open the request, but a better course of action would have been to let an uninvolved template editor or admin make a call on the request. Bellerophon talk to me 10:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was involved. I had considered that, but based on the frequent and disruptive requests from that user, and the fact that his basis for the request no longer existed, I felt it was the only logical conclusion that anyone would come to. Based on these facts, I remember vaguely there is a clause that says if it's the only reasonable solution IAR applies and and involved closure is fine. Anyways, I appreciate you stopping in to make sure I understood what I was doing and had justifable and sound reasoning. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Technical 13, please do not close any edit requests where you are involved or any requests involving Hasteur from now on. Thank you. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Help
Hey friend, I have done what you said here, but I'm still facing problem. I have installed the script here but the script is not working? What should I do now?  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 11:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey I it's working now. Thanks.   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 16:12, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw this before I was awake this morning and forgot about it... My first thought was that you needed to WP:BYPASS your cache (and waiting a little time automatically did it for you. Anyways, happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature
(Replying to what you said at Tucoxn's tp) How silly of me. Is there a tag I can use for the color that isn't deprecated? I've seen some kind of "span" tag that some use. -- Amaryllis Gardener talk 16:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes.
 * should give you an identical appearing signature to what you have now: -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk
 * Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Replaced. Thank you! -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 16:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Second guessing other editors
I noticed before that you had added additional responses to one or two of the edit requests I serviced. (I check pages in my contributions list for which my response was no longer marked current to catch some of the replies where the requester fails to reactivate the template.) That behavior raised a concern on my part that you had some issue which you weren't bringing up in a direct manner. Now you've escalated to "calling me out" about a decision on an article talk page. That increases my concern to the point where I need to bring it up with you. You should voice any concerns you have about how I service edit requests on my talk page. If a mature conversation there does not reach an acceptable conclusion, feel free to try other forums for addressing user behavior. But you need to stop and think about the appearance of your current approach. The new editors who are asking for our help are instead treated to an unprofessional display of two editors bickering with one another. Please stop that and just bring up your concerns on my talk page. Thanks, Older and ... well older (talk) 17:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I apologize if it seemed like I was second guessing your responses, that is not my intention at all. I am not sure what the previous times that I have done that were, but I'm guessing the reason you are here is due to my asking if you saw the hidden reference that the user had offered. I don't see them when I'm responding most of the time, and that makes me question if other people have seen them as well, especially when the URL looks like something that may be considered reliable.  I use 's Edit Protected Helper script, which means that I respond most of the time right from the action=view for the page instead of from the action=edit edit window.  This is why I don't see hidden comments or things hidden in </ref> tags.  I've requested that the script scan the section for those and report on anything that may be hidden I can't see directly, and I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to make the changes myself and request the script be updated.  I'll try to remember that if I have any questions for you, that I should go to your talk page to ask instead of pinging you to the discussion to ask.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and again I apologize if I've offended you in any way. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 17:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the pleasant reply and I'm sorry for having misinterpreted the earlier events. At Talk:List_of_emoticons, I did go out to the link and it appeared to be a personal website, so I declined the request with an plus a few words to that effect. If someone else had chosen to add the emoticon, it wouldn't have hurt the encyclopedia and the normal evolution would have either improved the source or removed the emoticon, so it's really no big deal. I'd just rather we give the impression that we are working as a team when we service requests. With that in mind, I'll improve my reply to you there. Regards, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. I'm sure I'm fairly odd in my beliefs on what working as a team means.  I believe it means that we should question each other when we are unclear on each others' meaning or if there is something that we see that the other may have overlooked.  I believe it is good to not agree on everything each other does, and when that occurs, I believe that discussion and compromise to reach a consensus are paramount.  Anyways. I'm glad you came here and we talked this out. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've heard that description of a team. I like to think of it more like a baseball team, myself. Everyone is taking care of their own duties and trusting their teammates to be doing the same. Sometimes one sees that another player needs help and steps in, but nothing is as funny as seeing two outfielders run into each other and miss catching the ball. (Unless it is the sight of two outfielders stopping just next to each other while the ball drops between them.) As long as we both assume the other is doing their job correctly, there's nothing wrong with asking questions and making observations. Cheers, Older and ... well older (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MWML


Hello Technical 13. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "MWML".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. It's been WP:USERFIED and debannered. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 23:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Commenting on draft submissions
Hello Technical 13,

I've seen you comment elsewhere that discussion related to draft articles should take place on the talk page, rather than the submission itself. This is something I agree with, in principle. (It was the matter of implementation that was the issue, I recall.)

So I when I attempted to bring discussion to the talk page in the case of Draft:Epigenetics of partner preference I was quite surprised when you and another reviewer kept posting comments to the submission page.

Do you have any comments on this? Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , the comment was posted by the script on my behalf as part of the decline. It's still just the issue of getting the technology updated to post comments to the talk page. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 11:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editnotice
Hi, I just saw your change at Editnotice so that only those that actually can edit editnotices can see the create rows. Can you help me understand that? I have in the past week created an editnotice template as requested at the talkpgae of an article. There is consensus to use editnotice on that article and on the subarticles (hence the template). The visual appearance on the editnotice has been discussed at the talk and at realated wikiproject to for consensus how it should look. Now that I was about to add a request for this editnotice-template, the rows to create edit notice was gone. I would have used that to come to the correct page and then pressed the link on that page to create a template-protected edit request. It is a fast easy way to make request of your editnotice instead of trying to find the correct "name" and path for your own editrequest. QED 237  (talk)  11:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting, . I hadn't thought of that indirect use for it.  I'll revert that template for now and see if I can find a way to revise the input box to only show a create button for those that can actually create AND show a button for everyone to go to the talk page for where an edit notice would be and request its creation.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.


 * While you're here on my talk page, are you aware that the tags in your custom signature are deprecated and disallowed per policy?  They were deprecated in HTML 4.0 Transitional, invalid in 4.0 Strict, and are not part of HTML5 at all.
 * As such, I suggest replacing:


 * with:


 * which will result in a 204 character long signature with an appearance of: QED 237   (talk)
 * compared to your existing 222 character long signature of: QED 237 &#160; (talk)  — Either way.  Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:06, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for restoring it, there are always some things that is easy miss and this is certainly one. Maybe I am the only one doing it that way. However the solution you described above sounds great (if it is possible) especially if the editrequest template exists on the talkpage when you get there (as it is now) and it is only to fill in.


 * Regarding my signature I dont remember how I made it and I had no idea at all that it is incorrect. If i remember correctly I took signature from an other user and modified it (by looking at several signatures). I will make the changes you suggested and I cant even see any difference in the signature. Thank you! QED 237   (talk)  20:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Article wizard
Thank you for answering my request and fixing Article wizard. 2001:18E8:2:1020:114D:7C6F:FA83:BE0 (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

WT:TW / WP:VPT
Since it has already been noted at WT:TW that the problem is NOT Twinkle-related, the discussion at WT:TW should be closed and centralized at WP:VPT, not the other way around. As such, I have undone your mistaken close at WP:VPT the panda ₯’  21:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I was just centralizing it where the topic was first mentioned. I don't care if you want to move and consolidate all of the half dozen or so different conversations to VPT.  That is fine.
 * While you're here on my talk page, are you aware that the tags in your custom signature are deprecated and disallowed per policy?  They were deprecated in HTML 4.0 Transitional, invalid in 4.0 Strict, and are not part of HTML5 at all. As such, I suggest replacing:


 * with:


 * which will result in a 196 character long signature with an appearance of: <small style="border:1px solid #000;padding:1px"> the panda ₯’
 * compared to your existing 221 character long signature of: the panda ₯’  — Either way.  Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 21:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's kind of disingenuous to say one of your pet peeves is "disallowed by policy" when you're the one who wrote it into the policy. Just more signature nonsense that you agreed to stop when you were unblocked. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Written in and apparently uncontested.  I'd say that passes as a consensus. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Rogue entries can sneak into policy pages and remain for years even if they lack consensus. See the ongoing RFC at WT:UP as an example. That no one has yet reverted your unnecessary and unilateral change does not mean it has consensus. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 01:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not doubting you, but could you provide a link to where he said he would stop? -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 22:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * See here and work your way back. Though our host seems to be backpedalling and wikilawyering out of his commitment to leave signatures well-enough alone. He will probably catch a re-block sooner or later if he keeps it up. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 01:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Indeed, even editing the sig policy page should have resulted in an immediate re-block the panda ₯’  23:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Manggahan High School
You may want to take a look at User talk:Piguy101 regarding Manggahan High School. The page is now blanked with CSD G7 on it. I am not sure what is vandalism or not here. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 19:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion request of creator of article, Manggahan High School
Hey Technical 13, I'm sorry but I would like to say that I'm not vandalizing and I just want first to strengthen the article before posting it because other infos there have no reference so please don't state that I'm vandalizing. I'm the CREATOR OF ARTICLE and accdg. to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page that if you are the article creator, you can request deletion of it, but I don't vandalize.

Neilvin John Aventurado (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * According to CSD:G7, which is the specific deletion criteria you are requesting deletion under, since you are not the only substantial contributor, this criteria can not be used to request deletion. You are more than welcome to improve the article (or request improvements on the talk page), but you may not request deletion using the Db-g7 template.  Since the deletion is controversial (the tags have been removed by multiple editors), it is also not eligible for a WP:PROD deletion.  Your only possible way to get it deleted at this point is to achieve consensus for deletion at WP:AfD, which is going to be difficult to do considering it seems to meet the guidelines for inclusion that can be seen at WP:NSCHOOL. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:53, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Jodosma and The Teahouse
Sorry I got this person so upset. I was trying to make sure the explanation was actually correct. I went to the proposals Village Pump and told them if a person doesn't post on a talk page then that person's signature shouldn't appear. I use a template where I have to manually include my signature and the time and date, but it's something a bot could do. The bot could do the notifying and say it is from the person who activated it (what Jodosma did), and the only response I got was a lecture on responsibility when using Twinkle, which is why I never intend to use it. But that response was worded in such a way as to suggest maybe the explanation was wrong. Thanks for clarifying.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 20:51, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Pink Team Cleaning Services (June 16)
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My signature
It keeps telling me my signature is too long.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  • 13:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC) 13:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC) 13:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is this the one you wanted me to do, because it does look different.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •
 * , that's an improvement to me. :) Looks different in what way?  The only difference in actual appearance is that instead of using bold &amp;middot;s, you are using regular &amp;bull;s. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In the edit window. As for why my signature looked the way it did, I copied someone else's I liked years ago. That person doesn't seem to come here any more.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •

User:Technical 13/SandBox/HTMLdump/Page 1
When you use media: links it generates a file usage. See the bottom of File:AngryParsley.png. Using the :File prefix enables a link, but does not create the file usage. Werieth (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * We have a split discussion here, so to consolidate, I'll only reply here from now on. Linking to a file, does not violate NFCC#9, only displaying the image in an inappropriate location does.  I've set the links back to the colon prefixed File: links because what the goal of that dump is to fix is actually on the File: pages anyways.  Anyways.  Happy editing. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The issue becomes that usage of the media prefix causes reports to flag the page as having non-free media. Converting them to Werieth (talk) 14:12, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a headache that is the fault of the report, WP:NFCC#9 specifically says that uses outside of article space must be linked, it does not specify how they are linked or restrict it from being a link directly to the file. Using media: is exactly that, a link per NFCC#9 itself.  I would be happy to look into how the reports that are mis-flagging that as pages having non-free media are set up and working to see if I can propose a fix for that, but that is a flagging error, not an NFCC issue. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Its a core mediawiki issue, nothing to do with the reports. Mediawiki treats Werieth (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Brian Kennedy (businessman)
Hello and thank you for the review. I don't understand what you are referring to as copyright material in my article.? could you please clarify.

I'm new to Wikipedia and this is my first article.

Regards

Darran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darran Wilde (talk • contribs) 17:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia.  copyrighted material is material that is copied (not necessarily word-for-word, just close enough) from another website onto Wikipedia.  Because such copying of material is illegal, it can not stay on Wikipedia.  That doesn't mean that the topic of the article you want to write can't exist on Wikipedia, you just need to very clearly state all of the facts in your own words and the more sources you use to do that, the easier it will be.  Note that sources must be considered reliable in order for them to be considered towards establishing the topic's notability on Wikipedia (which isn't necessarily the same as notability in the rest of the world).  Please check out all of the pages I have linked in blue text, and if you need further help, I would be happy to point you in the right direction.  Thanks again for your interest in contributing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 18:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback Technical 13. I have completely rewritten the paragraph in my own words taking care to not copyright or sound close to the original. I have now resubmitted the article with hope that it meets the Wikipedia criteria. Regards,

Darran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darran Wilde (talk • contribs) 20:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Wikisource author
Hi Technical_13 - Your recent edit to this template seems to have broken it - could you take a look please? Colonies Chris (talk) 22:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

You edit to the locked template Template: Wikisource author broke it. You inserted an extra set of close brackets. Sorry, but since it's lockes, I cannot fix it myself. Relatively minor, affecting only a few tens of thousands of pages :-) Arch dude (talk) 22:33, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys, should be . — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:50, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring?
Edit warring? Really? Over this? You are of course not "fixing" anything since you can't show consensus that anything is /broken/ in the first place. And if you plan to edit all pages now to replace tags considered deprecated in HTML5 (and there's really no point in you insisting on changing user comments only on one obscure talk page if you aren't) then I'm sure that you are facing trouble. If using AWB for cosmetic changes isn't going to do that first. I don't get why you are in such a hurry about this. If this really ever turns into a problem then we /still/ can make changes to all pages with consensus-backed tools. If MediaWiki /does/ handle them (and I'm very optimistic that the simle tt/big/font tags are going to be translated automatically at some point) then all you are doing now is making pages less maintainable by adding loads of inline CSS to wikitext. Harmful, not helpful. Amalthea 12:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, ... It is broken now as my mobile device doesn't support half the tags I am fixing. They just show as empty spaces.  I've even modified my skin css to try and force them to show, and they are just dropped on my blackberry.  So... If MediaWiki isn't going to fix them, something needs to start getting done by someone. I've got a screenshot comparison I'll upload at lunch in a couple hours after my exam. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 12:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * a simulation (since I can't actually take screen captures on that device, not enough resources to run any of the apps for that) of what I see when I use my old BlackBerry is:


 * — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I really cannot believe that a Blackberry (and an "old" one at that) doesn't support font tags. Are you sure this isn't because it's not supporting those styles you are using. Is this really reproducible when you're logged out? Amalthea  15:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I added those styles because the elements disappeared after an update, and I wanted to see if I could force something to appear in those spots. I can't log in on that device (See 46241). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:55, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Expand: I'm not saying it wasn't a corrupt update on that specific device, but I find it odd it only seems to affect, , , , and that I've seen so far. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Licensing issue
Please fix the licensing of your image. You can't take cc-by-sa content that is not yours and release it into the public domain. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in there that isn't in the PD because it is all text and basic shapes which fall under PD because they are too generic to be licensed. Thank you. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Alan and Amalthea's text is too generic to be licensed? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. Works must show sufficient human creativity to be eligible for copyright at all. - There is no creativity. Alan's reports an issue (just the facts and an undetailed inquiry), Amalthea says "no", Alan suggests making it look like something else (again, lacking detail). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you're mistaken, but I'm no lawyer or expert. ( not a huge deal, but I am curious: are talk page contributions like those in the image above sufficiently creative to be eligible for copyright?). – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, talk page contributions like those in the image above are sufficiently creative to be eligible for copyright. Threshold of originality might contain more helpful information. The courts have been very clear that the threshold is low; see for instance, which notes " To be sure, the requisite level of creativity is extremely low; even a slight amount will suffice. The vast majority of works make the grade quite easily, as they possess some creative spark, 'no matter how crude, humble or obvious' it might be. Id., § 1.08[C][1]. Originality does not signify novelty; a work may be original even though it closely resembles other works so long as the similarity is fortuitous, not the result of copying. To illustrate, [p*346] assume that two poets, each ignorant of the other, compose identical poems. Neither work is novel, yet both are original and, hence, copyrightable." --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:06, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ but I disagree there is any creativity there to make it eligible for copyright. Not even the slightest amount, in the crudest interpretation. But, in the interest of diffusing the user that just came here to disrupt this discussion (If that was not their intent, they would have properly left it on the file's talk page on commons, my commons talk page, or at very least in its own section on this page.  Anyways, let's move forward and worry about building the encyclopedia. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * When Amalthea et al. were posting to the talk page, the notice 'By clicking the "" button, you agree to the Terms of Use and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution.' will have been displayed just above the button. That's not edit-page clutter: it's a legal notice. They clearly clicked that button, or performed some other action like  which initiates the save: hence, whatever they had just typed was instantly dual-licensed CC-BY-SA 3.0 with GFDL. The terms of CC-BY-SA include that if you publish a copy, you must use the same, similar or a compatible license. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes except when the image doesn't meet the threshold of originality to allow copyrighting.  Such as the BIG example on our threshold of originality page The logo of Sony is not considered a "work of authorship" because it only consists of text in a simple typeface, so it is not an object of copyright in respect to US law, on this basis, since these talk page posts only consist of text in a simple typeface, they are not an object of copyright in respect to US law. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you're operating from a very fundamental misunderstanding here, but I don't have time to discuss it further. Thank you for updating the license, and sorry for moving the above thread onto a tangent (I've split this section out for you). – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 20:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Too little too late in my opinion, but the damage is minimal, and I really don't care. Happy editing. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Amalthea et al. didn't create an image, they posted text. That text was licensed CC-BY-SA. Any published copy of that text - whether it be also in the form of text or converted into an image which represents that text, is subject to the same license. Saying that it's in a simple typeface won't stand up in court: it's the words that are depicted, not the shape of the letters, that the lawyers are interested in. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

MadmanBot/CorenSearchBot code
Is linked from User:MadmanBot, and may have some of the functionality you were looking for, it certainly does a function related to what you're trying to do, and that DupeDet does. I'm not an expert on it, just found it some years ago trying to figure out why I do a better job than that code at finding copyvios. (I think the answer is ... it doesn't use Google.)   HTH, --j⚛e deckertalk 23:21, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

HTML5 standardization question
As a programming enthusiast (who isn't necessarily aware of recent technical advances) [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:W-screen&diff=prev&oldid=613586744 your edit] to Template:W-screen makes me wonder: what's the idea behind this? Is this preferred; and, if so, in which situations?

It seems like the thing to do would to be to have MediaWiki come up with an update to the software to re-interpret <big ></big> as something like rather than hunting down old-style markup and changing it bit-by-bit.

Just musing here... meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 05:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Reply to your Articles for Creation Help Desk question about User:Technical 13/Drafts/Caroline Strong
Hello, Technical 13! I'm Bellerophon. I have replied to your question on the Articles for Creation Help Desk about User:Technical 13/Drafts/Caroline Strong. <span style="font:small-caps 1.0em Alexandria,serif;color=#00008B">Bellerophon <span style="font:0.75em Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif;color:#9966CC;">talk to me 08:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just testing your talkback link ;)

My sig
Any suggestions to make it compliant? -- Neil N  <sup style="color:blue;">talk to me  16:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure! I suggest replacing:


 * with:


 * which will result in a 147 character long signature (4 characters shorter) with an appearance of: --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>
 * compared to your existing 151 character long signature of: -- Neil N  <sup style="color:blue;">talk to me 
 * — Either way. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 16:21, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks! --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Apologies and thank you
Hi! I did not mean to ping you from wllm's talk page. Honestly, I do not entirely understand this notification concept. I linked your name so he would know who I am referring to. I apologise profusely for interrupting your day and am very sorry. I am happy it worked out with new signatures all around for Wil and NeilN. I promise not to link your name again, even if I directly mention you, okay? All the best. <b style="color:#595454">Fylbecatulous</b> <b style="color:#DB7093">talk</b> 20:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , no no... It was no interruption or inconvenience at all. Please do ping me. I prefer that method of communication and I can always offer the replacement code and if they choose not to accept, that is their choice. :> — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:36, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Awesome ツ. Thank you again.  <b style="color:#595454">Fylbecatulous</b> <b style="color:#DB7093">talk</b> 20:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:East Germany
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Archiving
Hey, Technical! Hope you're OK. Do you know anything about MiszaBot? It stopped archiving my talk page and I was wondering if you'd heard anything about it. Will I have to change bots? How would I go about doing that while keeping my current order of archived material? Thanks for your help, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * took over archiving for MizaBot months ago. Many have noticed its archiving habits are sporadic at best most of the time. You might consider User:Equazcion/OneClickArchiver to fill in the gaps and get the sections the bot misses because of missing or bad timestamps. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:55, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OneClickArchiver is not working when I tried it here even when they have archive counters. Do you know how to solve this problem???   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 19:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , OCA is extremely space sensitive and that is my hypothesis for why it isn't working. I intend to submit a "pull request" of sorts to  to resolve this issue, but in the mean time, make sure the counter and archive have no spaces before the parameter name (before or after the pipe). — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * So, I fixed the spacing issue, and archived the top section for confirmation and it is ✅. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Oups I thought I already replied here. (Short term memory loss) Thanks for fixing that.    J i m Carter  ( talk ) 06:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Rollback
Have at it. I'll forgo the obligatory spiel about not using it for good-faith edits, etc., as I think you can be trusted to figure those things out. Let me know if you have any questions. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

BotRq
Please see Bots/Requests for approval/T13bot. — xaosflux  <sup style="color:#00FF00;">Talk  01:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I've  per your request. I'm calling it a night, but I'll get all those trial edits done tomorrow.  Thank you for your quick response. :) Happy editing. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature
OK, thanks for that, looks better <b style="font-family:chiller;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  05:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 10:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Glad you stayed around
I remember the early days when it was touch and go. Glad you stayed. I've been meaning to place this message for some days now. Fiddle  Faddle  19:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * LOL, I'm still constantly under fire by some... It's all good.  The only thing that I can't do right now, and wish I could sometimes is make changes to and edit interface messages and other users css/js on request.  Not interested right now in becoming an administrator (which is would it would require at this point), but maybe someday.  I'm holding off until after the RfC to give those additional rights to . Anyways, I'm not that easy to run off...  lol — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

This may be right up your street
Please would you look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Reviewer_help and consider if my suspicions may have a grain of truth in them? Fiddle  Faddle  23:34, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

BAGBot: Your bot request T13bot
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US-PD
You seem to have accidentally requested speedy deletion as copyvio for Daniel Webster Comstock, a page that was copied from a US government source, and is therefore in the public domain.  DGG ( talk ) 01:37, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the information.  Learn something new every day.  Question: does everything .gov fall, under PD like this, if so, I can filter those URLs out out my copyvio detection script I've been working on. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 01:54, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * it is unfortunately a little complicated. .gov usually but not always means us gov. -- see .gov. Only US government works are PD-US, not state works (there are exceptions that are PD, such as California and Florida and possibly Texas), or publications of some independent government agencies. And it does not apply to works originally published elsewhere, but republished there by the US gov by permission of the copyright owner -- which often applies to illustrations ans sometimes very rarely to text. To deal with all cases, there might need to be  different message for .gov.     DGG ( talk ) 06:36, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay,, I've been working on my script all day, and it now has improved filtering for duplicates, filters out all links in the AfC submission template, all external Wikipedia (even to other 2 character languages), toolserver and labs links, and webchat.freenode links. I'm doing some digging on this PD stuff that you brought to my attention and it certainly is complicated.  I will admit that I currently know little about what is PD and what isn't and where copyright laws point on many things (I have just an extreme basics of it down), but based on my research so far, it might be safe to filter out all pages that were created by 's , and all links with   and  .  I'm not sure what other ones to do... I can also add  ,  ,   ,  . The filter might look like:    If there are many more states, I might test it another way in which I chop up the url into everything from the "https?://" to the ".gov/" and then see if the result of that is in an array containing all of the qualified states. You are unsure about Texas, so I'm going to leave it out for now.  Where can I find which states' sites are in the PD, or how can I find out if a specific state's site is in the PD I guess is the better question.  Thanks for your help on this project. :) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 19:17, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Leo Zeitlin
Hi, sorry, but this is a mistake surely? 04:13, 27 June 2014‎ Technical 13 (talk | contribs)‎. . (1,417 bytes) (+12)‎. . (Requesting speedy deletion (CSD A7). ? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , what part of NMUSIC are you claiming this person meets? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 04:20, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Can I ask, have you used a CSDA7 on classical composers with de.wp and ru.wp articles before? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, but you're welcome to go through my CSD log. All I know, is I look at the article and some nothing that matched any of the points of the en.wp NMUSIC guideline that  covers. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 04:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft talk:Propulsion methods utilizing fuel accelerated from a remote fuel source
I will be interested in seeing what you do with the draft. I think you might be in for more of a headache than you think, unless you are going to cut it down into a article so small that it will have little encyclopedic value. I won't be coy here, I'm a bit irritated over the whole matter, but if you can put it into article space, you are welcome to do so. I am also very interested in seeing what references you find, as I have spent two years digging. There ARE more references out there, but I didn't want to load down the page with one-off discussions. For example:
 * 1) At least one of the Slingatron patents mentions launching fuel in the form of explosives that explode in a reinforced combustion chamber.
 * 2) Kare has created a paper on using thin film diamonds as a remote fuel. Beamed power accelerates the thin film to the vessel at extreme velocities, and as the films approach the vessel, a plasma cannon blasts the incoming projectile, and the particle components are harnessed for acceleration.

As sad as it might seem, there really has been very, very little research in remote fuel propulsion technologies. My guess as to why would be because they are, for the most part, pie-in-the-sky, impractical applications. When I realized two years ago that there was a practical application for them, and we could do it with existing technology, I spent a LOT of time digging for information.

I do not know how, exactly, I can allow you the rights to reference the little book I wrote, or even if you would want to reference it. To my knowledge it is the only existing document in the public domain describing the function of a practical remote fuel system for use outside Earth orbit. If you do find other references to methods of remote fueling that uses launchers, delivery systems, and capture systems, or some close facsimile, I will be very interested in reviewing those references myself. Matthewhburch (talk) 01:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I've listed some possible stuff I found in a precursory search on the web on the draft's talk page you can look over. I really am tired now, but the bottom reference (the paid subscription thing I get access through my University for) seems most promising.  You might be able to access as well on JSTOR, if you apply quickly, the list is nearing the 500 limit quickly.  — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 02:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , My account is not a year old, I do not meet requirements for JSTOR Matthewhburch (talk) 02:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Since I'm as old as dirt, and my account is a few years old, I must've entirely overlooked that requirement. You might add your name to the list anyways mentioning you know you are under that requ but noting how useful the access would be to your developement of this article and similar articles.  If you alreafy have access as I think I though I saw in one of your replies, this is a moot point. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 03:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I can see the articles and recognize a great many of them. I'll poke around and check on the limitations of my access there as they stand.  I'm a lightning rod right now and am not going to ask for any special considerations to be made for me.  If a year is required, a year is required.  If someone wants to give me permissions, fine, but I'll not ask for them.  Despite what some might think, I am a strong proponent of following rules.  If I understand them.  If they are documented.  Matthewhburch (talk) 06:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of the so-called-rules on Wikipedia are well documented in the 60 or so links in that big welcome template I left on the top of your talk page (which you deleted calling clutter). I could add a collapsible navbox to the bottom of your talk or user page with the same links if you like... looks a little less cluttered and is a great rule reference guide.  Just let me know. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 10:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I did see what Hasteur did to the draft. Something like that seems to be potentially useful, but I don't want to collect too many collapsible subsections either.  If you put one up there, I'll play with it and see how much it irritates me, heh.  If you hadn't figured it out already, I'm a bit on the OCD side about some things.  My workspace is one of those things.  Matthewhburch (talk) 15:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox football biography
I agree with all the changes you just made except the matter of centering the title. I used the center html element because the title doesn't seem to center itself when the template is embedded onto, say, Infobox officeholder (see Michel Platini for example). Unless you know how to fix that I think the html element would be better. Davykamanzi →  talk  •  contribs  •  alter ego   12:12, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I've by wrapping it in a css styled div, although I'm not happy I had to do that.  That actually appears to be a bug in the infobox Lua module, and since that module is way too complicated for me (a "hello world" module would be too complicated for me right now), I'm going to see if maybe we can't get one of  to look into it. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Friendly request for Davy
, while you are here on my talk page... I am noticing you have a lot of obsolete HTML elements in your signature, and I am wondering if you might be interested in bring it more up to date as such. If you are interested, I suggest replacing:

with:

which will result in a 231 character long signature (20 characters shorter) with an appearance of: Davykamanzi → <b style="color:#0AE">talk</b> • <b style="color:#ED2">contribs</b> • <b style="color:#264">alter ego</b>

compared to your existing 251 character long signature of: Davykamanzi →  talk  •  contribs  •  alter ego  

— Either way. Happy editing! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 13:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Davykamanzi → <b style="color:#0AE;">talk</b> • <b style="color:#ED2;">contribs</b> • <b style="color:#264;">alter ego</b> 15:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I originally overlooked the fact that the contrast ratio for your contribs link make it near invisible... Would you consider making it a darker color or adding a contrasting backgorund color to fix the issue? — 15:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC) — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c)

Mobile
Hey T13, I'm starting a new thread. While I was playing around. I found a bug or something I don't know. I was watching this user page (Melanie I'm sorry for the ping) through the mobile version wikipedia. The collapsable section of barnstars are just vanished when I was watching the page through the mobile version. When I clicked the edit button, I found the barnstars are in a collapsable box. But no "show" button is appearing when I was previewing the page.  J i m Carter  ( talk ) 21:12, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if that is a bug . I've seen people bring that kind of thing up before and I believe that is how it is suppose to work for that (You're welcome to bring it up on WP:VPT of course, there maybe someone who knows more specifically why there). I can teach you how to mention someone's user page without pinging them though... Noping is your friend for these things.   for example does not ping . — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 22:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's got the  class. This class always has the property   on mobile view. -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you T13 and for the help. @T13 thanks for that noping template. I will use it when needed. Thanks again.   J i m Carter  ( talk ) 06:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I should perhaps have been more specific: the section Barnstars and such begins with and it is that templates which sets the   class. -- Red rose64 (talk) 06:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Minor edit...
I need help with the script, because whenever I use this script, my edit is marked as minor edit. You can answer here. Thanks Occults (talk) 14:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , which script? — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 14:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Occults/common.js - Occults (talk) 14:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * , I see. That's a lot of code to read... I have no time to really dig into that, but when I view the source for the "mark as minor" checkbox for this edit window below, I see:


 * Good luck! — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 15:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Thanks a lot. Occults (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)