User talk:TelusFielder

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Edmonton Trappers
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! As you likely noticed, I have been reverting or re-writing some of your edits, particularaly to the Edmonton Trappers article, mostly for consistancy and spelling. However, I wanted to discuss two issues with you rather than just engaging in an edit war. I have repeatedly removed the claim that 11,000 fans attended the Trappers final home game, as Telus Field does not hold remotely close to that number of fans. I was also at that one inning game, and am quite certain that they didnt find a place for 2000 extra people. I would ask that you refrain from re-inserting that claim unless you can provide a verifiable source for it.

Also, I would ask that you refrain from using Wikipedia and the Edmonton baseball articles as a means of promoting the Edmonton baseball history site you evidently intend to create. Signing your name to the link is also a violation of Wikipedia's vanity guidelines.

Otherwise, I look forward to seing what you can do with some of the Edmonton baseball articles you have created. Have a good day! Resolute 15:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, I noticed the Edmonton's baseball history article you created. As it stands right now, that article will likely be deleted quickly as long as there is no content.  I did notice in the history that you attempted to create a list of team records for Edmonton's early teams before blanking the page.  If you like, I can help you with formatting charts, or even put that information into a chart form for you.  Though if it does get deleted before you (and other editors, nobody can claim ownership of an article) can populate it, it can be recreated at a future date.  Resolute 15:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't add more and more text to the main article. There is a sub article on sports if you would like to add more detailed information. Rendar 05:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

RE: Comment
Your Post: Why did you put up that message on my article with I created? I didn't plagerize or do some sort of vandal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TelusFielder (talk • contribs).
 * My Response: Can you please specify the page you're referencing? Thanks! — NM  Chico  24  [[Image:Flag of New Mexico.svg|25px]] 00:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

St.Albert RiverProspects
Just wanted to let you know that I am putting this article up for deletion, as it is a duplicate article to St. Albert Big River Prospects, which you also created (though I moved to its proper name) as well as being a misspelling. Also, with respect to your article on Brad Cuthbertson, just an FYI: minor league players generally are not considered notable unless they have done something outstanding. Once they make it to the majors, they are then considered notable. Resolute 01:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Rexall Place sound level
Do you have a link to back up your change to the Rexall Place article that claims noise in the arena hit 124 dB? If not, it should likely be changed back to the highest level that can be backed up with a citation. Currently the highest I've seen is 106 dB. --Bdoserror 03:35, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Responding to Telusfielder's email: The problem with adding the 120dB figure is that it cannot be verified under Wikipedia's policies for verification. Lacking a source that others can easily see to be true, such statements cannot remain. Resolute 14:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Baseball team years
Thank you for adding the articles about minor league baseball teams in Alberta. Could you please add to each article the years that the team was active? Also, I noticed a spelling mistake in the name of one of the teams. Lloydminister should be Lloydminster, so I moved Lloydminister Meridians to Lloydminster Meridians. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 19:49, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleted page "Diamond Park"
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TelusFielder wrote:
 * I dont understand. So your saying that Diamond Park could mean anything unlike telus field or john ducey park?

Hi, sorry for the confusion. Having an article about that stadium at Diamond Park is fine. The problem is that we have to try to keep the content of the encyclopedia manageable (or at least as manageable as possible, 1.5 million articles is a lot!) and for that reason we can't accept articles about just anything. The most common problem is people creating articles about themselves, their friends, a band they've started, an organization they belong to or something like that. Obviously we do not have the resources to write and maintain a good quality article about every person with internet access. In order to enforce this, we therefore have a set of notability guidelines to weed out articles about unimportant and insignificant things.

The subject of your article, being a fairly large stadium, is probably important enough to have its own article. However, we can't just assume something is important – the article needs to explain this. Your article was only one line of text, and didn't really offer any explanation of importance. (Don't take this personally: hundreds of articles are deleted every day, it's not your fault.) A s I mentioned before, you are welcome to re-write your contribution. Providing a more detailed article will help, of course, but by far the best way to ensure it is kept is to provide sources for what you state in the article – preferably reliable sources. Hope that helps – Gurch 12:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Uploading images
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Calgary Zoo and Light Shows
Please provide a reference or, at least, name the event. --Arch26 04:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Edmonton area
Buddy, you still haven't addressed my previous comment.

Anyway, see the comment that I placed on NorthernFire's talk page regarding Edmonton and Ottawa. --Arch26 07:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Numbers
Sorry, I had to step in... this is just such a stupid argument. Do you know how ridiculous it sounds to say that a place is the furthest north of any city over 712,000? So, I could say that Calgary is the furthest north of any city over 991,000? Oh wait, I think Toronto is the furthest north of any city over 2,358,987. 500,000 is a nice ROUND number. And last time I checked, 712,000 GREATER THAN 500,000... of course, I'm no math wiz. Anyway, it just sounds better and less anal retentive to say, "over 500,000" rather than over "712,000". I believe the accurate anal population is stated a number of times elsewhere in the article. --Arch26 21:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it does have more than 500,000, which is why it was stated that "Edmonton is the northernmost city in North America with a population of OVER 500,000."

To demonstrate, here is a list of other cities with populations of over 500,000:
 * Calgary (because 990,000 is OVER 500,000)
 * Toronto (because 2.4 million is OVER 500,000)
 * Montreal (because 1.5 million is OVER 500,000)
 * Vancouver (because 600,000 is over 500,000)

When you look at a map, they often make a dot for cities with populations between 500,000 and 1,000,000. I have never seen a map with a dot for 712,000. Why? Because at some point, you just have to use round numbers as a bracket. Otherwise, it gets totally ridiculous. --Arch26 21:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, 700,000 would be better than 712,000, BUT I would say that population milestones are usually very round quarter numbers like 250,000, 500,000, 750,000 and 1,000,000. For smaller cities, it would be numbers like 25,000, 50,000, 75,000, and 100,000. 700,000 isn't really one of those. --Arch26 04:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Edmonton edit
If you mean the changes to Edmonton, I reverted because of the acqward style (square brackets, no space after comma, etc). If something you contribute is removed, you can discuss it, don't just stubbornly add it back, see WP:BRD. Thanks. --Qyd 17:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Grey Cup
Just so you know. The three largest crowds in Grey Cup history were in Montreal, including a record 68,318 for Montreal's 41-6 win over Edmonton in 1977 and 65,255 the last time the game was at the Big O in 2001, when Calgary beat Winnipeg 27-19. They had 65,113 in 1979 for Montreal's 17-9 loss to the Eskimos. --DJSasso 15:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Your Email
You wrote: "Every single time I make a change to something, you either take it out or put it how you like it. Capital Ex is short for Capital Exhibition, the Edmonton Trappers lead all leagues in Canada in attendance except major, and Edmonton's Baseball History sounds much better than Baseball in Edmonton."

Yes I understand Capital Ex is short for Capital Exhibition, but to actually spell it out makes the flow of the article not work as well and assumes the reader needs to know that. The official name is no longer the Capital Exhibition. They changed it to Capital Ex. As far as attendance, that is fine, however, you need sources before you can make statements like that. And the reason the articles name was changed to Baseball in Edmonton, was that it fits a standard naming pattern we have for articles like this. I didn't make the change on my own it was voted on by users of Wikipedia and during the voting period which was a fairly significant period of time you could have made your thoughts known, but it was unanomously voted to change the name to match the other articles of the same type of subject for other cities.--Djsasso 15:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Kinsmen Park
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BC Lions attendance
They Lions averaged close to 33,000 fans last year. I don't know where you got your number from.http://www.cfl.ca/index.php?module=sked&func=view&year=2006 --J3wishVulcan 01:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please use talk pages
Instead of emailing please use talk pages. As for the roster structure in the Northern League. It was correct. You need to reread what was there. It said the exact same thing you wrote but in a much easier to understand way, you needlessly complicated the article. As far as the Fan 960 article goes. That morning talk show is nationally syndicated which is why it is listed there. --Djsasso 19:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Edmonton Cracker-Cats
No worries. Although, there is a Golden League in track and field, its typically what CBC shows for track every spring/summer on Sports Saturday. Shootmaster 44 08:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Golden Baseball League
I removed it because it was a general statement about independent baseball, not the Golden League itself. Articles should remain specific to the topic. The statement, as presented, belongs on the Independent league baseball article. If there was a source that says that players choose the Golden League in the hopes of returning to affiliated leagues, then it would belong in the GBL article. Regards, Resolute 17:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Major religious groups
The article uses adherents.com as it's source for consistency. Please refrain from changing numbers which are cited. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Rexall Place trivia
If some of the trivia points actually mean anything to the building, they could be integrated into the article in a prose format rather than a point format - i.e., the location of the benches and how the players walk through the concourse to get to the ice surface. The statement arguing Rexall has among the best ice in the league uses a six year old article as its citation. That this statement might have been true in 2002 does not mean it remains so in 2008. I would suggest a much more recent article stating the same, if one exists. Resolute 22:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Muslim population
Hi TelusFielder, relating to your edits on Islam: a reliable source is needed for any assertion made in the article about the global Muslim population. You are welcome to locate more recent estimates from reliable sources, but I don't think websites like islamicpopulation.com should necessarily be used. Regards,  ITAQALLAH   12:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If they (islamicweb.net) say they took it from the CIA factsheet, it would be best to locate and source the factsheet directly.  ITAQALLAH   23:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Correction to my reversion statement
Heya, so I reverted your addition on Tel Aviv. I was partly incorrect in my statement though. Istanbul is mostly in Europe (I forgot that the Asian bit is part of the city, not just a suburb) and is often treated as a European city. From what I understand, the Middle East ends at the Bosporus (maybe further back) and so the situation is a bit tricky as we have a city in two regions. It doesn't really make sense to classify it as a Middle Eastern city though. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 8 Tishrei 5772 04:40, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Syariah Court
Hi Telus. I did not exactly say that Art. 121(1A) supports the functioning of the Syariah Court in M'sia. I said that the dual-justice system is supported by Art. 121(1A) of the constitution. Art. 121(1A) says: "(1A) The courts referred to in Clause (1) shall have no jurisdiction in respect of any matter within the jurisdiction of the Syariah courts." U may amend my sentence if u think the sentence is confusing or inaccurate (if u can find a better section of the constitution supporting the establishment of the syariah court). ќמшמφטтгמ torque 06:01, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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I don't know who you think you are, threatening to warn someone if they keep reverting your "contributions" that were moved asked to be moved to the bottom long before you starting reverting some chivalrous anonymous user's correct edits. --99.255.146.18 (talk) 23:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Honor killings - ethnic Swedish families
Hi, the article your are referencing does indeed cite honor based violence, but not murders by ethnic Swedish families, therefore it's irrelevant in the Honor killings article. It does specifically mention ethnic Swedish families, but not a single murder case. That is why I reverted your edit. Beatings and death threats aren't murder.

I suppose that you are referring to this section in the article:

''In another case cited in the report, a Swedish woman who became pregnant with her partner of Middle Eastern origin was beaten by her family. "They told her they would 'rip the Arab out of her belly' among other threats," Sabuni said. "These are examples of honour crimes in ethnic Swedish families, even though the term 'honour crime' is usually reserved to people of non-Swedish origin."''

Nobody died and nobody was charged with murder. Why do you think it should be included in an article about murders based on honor/shame? As it stands, it's irrelevant to the subject of that article. So I tagged it with "Dubious" for now. AadaamS (talk) 07:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, an anonymous user deleted this section and you reverted that delete instead of starting a discussion on the Talk:Honor_killing. I have started this discussion now here so please participate so we can resolve this issue. AadaamS (talk) 06:57, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I thought I'd stop in and extend an olive branch. It's easy to see editors deleting material, as I am, as villains in a conspiracy to cover up human rights abuses.  But really my concern is perspective.  If things are bad, we should say they are bad.  If things are ok, we should say they're ok.  Let me give you an example.  I was reading a story about London.  Apparently a couple of Muslim men had commented on a woman's clothes, telling her she was dressed too promiscuously and should cover up.  Do you know what the headline was?  "MODESTY POLICE FORM IN LONDON!"  There are many problems in London, as there are everywhere, but the existence of "Modesty police" is not one of them.  It is the same here.  While some Swedes may have beaten a pregnant woman, it is not enough for us to say "SWEDES LEARN HONOR KILLING FROM MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS".  A single event does not indicate a pattern.  Murder and assaults happen all the time in countries with millions of people.  It is bad journalism to project the motivations of one person or one small group of people onto an entire population.  So I'm not protecting anyone or hiding anything.  I am merely skeptical.  My proposal for you to find more/better sources is a sincere one.  If you can find those sources, I will even add the material to the article myself. PraetorianFury (talk) 20:17, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

May 2013
Hello, I'm Kathovo. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Anne Bayefsky without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry: I restored the removed content. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks!  K a t h o v o  talk 11:43, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Your Edits

 * Fordham is an highly ranked acredited research university. If you dispute its neutrality make a complaint in WP:RSN.
 * Here you replaced a published book with an apologetic website, please don't do it again.--  K a t h o v o  talk 10:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Nikolai Safonov


The article Nikolai Safonov has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Subject fails WP:NHOCKEY. The World Championship only qualifies for notability at senior level and in the top pool, junior level does not qualify."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Tay87 (talk) 10:04, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Brunei Research Department (International) for deletion
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Azuru79 (talk) 10:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of SELEX Galileo (Saudi Arabia) for deletion
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished. Sgubaldo (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)