User talk:TempPass

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Proposed deletion of Natural Born Thieves


The article Natural Born Thieves has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Per WP:NFF, films that have not finished production are not notable unless the production itself is notable (and I see no indication that it is per the guidelines there). According to IMDB, this film is still in pre-production, which definitely makes it non-notable as Wikipedia does not predict the future.

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Articles for deletion nomination of Natural Born Thieves
I have nominated Natural Born Thieves, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Natural Born Thieves. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I apologize in advance if this comes across as an attack
But for the love of god, read WP:NFF before de-prodding. A film in pre-production for which the production itself is not notable does not get an article. Period. Unless Marlon Brando is returning from the dead to star, the fact that a famous person is signed on to act in the film doesn't make it notable. I repeat: READ WP:NFF! Everyone thinks "It's notable enough for me" and ignores the guidelines, but they really are there for a reason: Films that haven't finished production die all the time for all sorts of reasons, and we don't want articles lingering around for films that never were. As such, until the film enters post-production, it's *strictly* not notable unless a notable event occurred during production that makes it stand out from 99%+ of all film productions. &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:06, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for reading the guidelines. This had absolutely nothing to do with the notability of the star or the film, and the moment they finish principal photography (or a notable event occurs during principal photography) you are welcome to recreate the article. I'm just amazed you actually listened. Thank you very much for approaching this with an open mind; you're already ten steps ahead of most of the pre-production movie article writers. :-) &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:16, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. I hope the film's company will make a better article when they finish making the film. --TempPass (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, I (and Wikipedia) would prefer *you* made the article when the time comes. Both the conflict of interest and advertising policies strongly discourage companies or people writing about themselves or their products. You may be a fan, but you don't have material motivation to skew the article away from a neutral point of view, so your input is valued a lot more highly than that of a studio. &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:26, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

OK! That would be great. Though, I'm sure that someone else will beat me to it. What if I make an article on the director of the film, and merge this article with his? --TempPass (talk) 22:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Is he notable enough to have an article? --TempPass (talk) 22:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Read WP:BIO for the rules governing notability of people. Keep in mind, per the biography of living persons rules, you *must* provide references for any material that is even remotely contentious. It would be perfectly acceptable to note that he is currently working on this film, but you couldn't include the entire article (undue weight and all that). If you think you've got enough *referenced* material to establish the director's notability per WP:BIO, feel free to write his article. In the meantime, you might make a copy of the existing movie article's text on your personal machine, so you have it accessible when the movie enters post-production and the time comes to recreate the article. &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for your help sir!--TempPass (talk) 22:44, 27 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem at all. Thank you for listening! Good luck with your future articles. &mdash;ShadowRanger (talk 22:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

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