User talk:TerminalPreppie/Archive2006

ECHL Matadors Deletion You Made
Dear CCWaters:

You said "spam link" when removing my contribution -- and I disagree strongly. I made the post, and indeed it does refer to one of my own pages. However I was, indeed, one of the two Miami Matador webmaster. I thought all of that info I still have posted (with the permission of Bob Snyder -- owner of the Matadors) would be of vast interest to anyone who found that link.

You Said: 07:12, 17 January 2006 Ccwaters (rv link spamming)

I don't want to get into a war with you over changing it back and forth, but I think in this one case you made an error.

(I also appreciate your removing the "rat story" under NHL Panthers -- I wanted to remove it but didn't want to do it without leaving evidence which is why I posted my link above it and noted it was theived. Again, I don't mind if it's used if credit is given. You don't need to provide a link but a simple attribution followed by 'used with permission' would suffice.)

I make very few changes to Wikipedia and am careful to make sure they are factual and helpful. So I would, if you don't mind, an explanation of your removal of the Matador link.

Sincerely, Eric (darsys @ AOL dot COM)


 * Basically... I don't think anyone should reference themselves or their own work in wiki. I'm not the only one that thinks this way... Check this out: WikiProject_Spam. It's nothing personal. ccwaters 01:16, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

(Read your link)

Well, look at it this way. It was fundamentally work-for hire as it was originally created as work for the Matadors. While they retained the visual rights (no idea -- don't ask), I was allowed to keep the information. I would basically agree that most self-referential links are likely spam. However, this is not a commercial site in any way (as you can see by visiting it) and I derive no income from it, and in fact pay to keep this website up and running (most of which has nothing to do with the Mats.) Anyway, I feel the site has value which is why I posted it. I think you will agree, if nothing else, it CERTAINLY wasn't spam. I don't think another 4 or 5 hits a week to my site really matter one way or the other.

So what's the plan when there's a great source of information? You would prefer I be sneaky and have someone else post it for me? (I won't because that's stupid and if you don't want it, I'm not going to force it on you.) But your rule is designed to stop spammers and leeches and all that good stuff. So what do you do in the case like this where the site has nothing but bonafide information? Pretend it doesn't exist? That's NOT a good answer.


 * Put it back if you wish, I won't stop you. However, It would be ashame if someone with such knowledge of the Miami Matadors didn't improve the article. Ideally the end result would look something like this: Worcester IceCats ccwaters 12:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I'm not as hardcore about self-referential links, but a self-referential link on a two-sentence article is not good.  Such a link -- if the site was good and informative -- would be acceptable if the poster took the good faith effort in making the Matadors' article into one consistent with the quality of the Team Pages Format found in the NHL and AHL team pages. RGTraynor 20:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

There it's done. I'm not great at Wiki Code, but I've given it an honest workout. Feel free to check it out and fix it :) I've included some stuff that's not on my page to show how the team was run, etc, etc. I have not included the team logo because Mr. Snyder has given me permission to use it ONLY on my site. I have written him and asked for his permission to add it to the Wiki article. He's not good about answering email so don't hold your breath.


 * Permission isn't necessary under current copyright law to display logos in such a fashion. RGTraynor 14:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * That's great. Thanks. And sorry about the Florida Panthers rat plagiarism thing. Generally when some one adds multiple paragraphs to a NHL or AHL hockey related article, I'll search for a sentence or two on Google. That slipped by. ccwaters 01:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Olympic coaches
Hey. For the coaches, I just basically did internet searches. The Russian and Czech coach were in TSN.ca articles. Don't remember where I found the Slovakian coach. For others, you would probably have to go to individual countries hockey federation sites... and learn to read the languages the sites are in. :) Bigdottawa 16:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Antero Niitymaki
I was thinking of doing it, the creator of the article appears to have left Wikipedia as a backlash to me moving the article. But I noticed right away that it sounded like a grade 8 research assignment, and not very uncyclopedic. I think I will knock off the unencyclopedic content. Croat Canuck 23:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Piece it all together and you'll find she's a 15 yearold in the suburbs of Philadelphia who brags about having multiple items signed by him. I'll say this: the article is ummm.. thorough. :) ccwaters 23:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm 17. Almost 18. Nice math. I was Antsu's #1 fan before Philadelphia even knew he existed. Yea. But anyways. I took both pictures you tagged without a source.... I dunno if you wanna change the tags or whatever but they're both mine. I thought that was obvious with pd-self but whatever you want. Hazelorb 03:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * All scariness aside, the mask close up is an obvious screen grab of a Comcast Sportsnet telecast of a Flyers/Bruins game. Its belongs to Comcast/Flyers/NHL/whatever and isn't yours to release into public domain. If the other image was taken by you via your camera at a game, then just say so in the description. ccwaters 04:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:Broomecountyarenasign.jpg
I have listed the source on the photos page. www.gosensgo.com


 * I don't see it on there anywhere, but I do vaguely remember it there before (?). I emailed the site owner though. ccwaters 03:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Ice hockey
OK, I will try to do it, so then I need to add my name to the list of participants? ---Gragox

Reverting diacritics from Czech Ice Hockey template
I saw you reverting adding diacritics Czech ice hockey template. I think you should explain such reverts next time (I got it from IIHF does not explain it well - editor probably had feeling that he improved things). The editor might not have read our conversation and might get confused or even ofended. During olympics it can often be even biting newbies (many people will probably come to the ice hocky players pages). Actualy did you notice I abstained from adding diacritics while adding Elias to the template? --Jan Smolik 22:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * He's not a "newbie". I'm sure he could figure it out. There's link to to WP:HOCKEY at the talk page, there's my user contribs, etc, etc. I think my comment is pretty self explanatory anyway. ccwaters 20:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Hockey
As a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey, I urge you to check out the current discussion that is going on at This Place, it is regarding how the WikiProject can be improved. Croat Canuck  03:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Finnish Olympic team template
I'm not writing this to discuss the matter with you. If you don't understand what's wrong with what you're doing, or with the attitude you have to your fellow Wikipedians and to other languages and nationalities, then obviously I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise. I have no respect at all for you or your opinions; your and your buddies' treatment of User:Hazelorb is nothing short of reprehensible, and your actions in removing Finnish letters from articles about the Finnish Olympic team while the whole issue is still under dispute are disgusting. I won't be reverting any further edits you make because you're not worth the bother. If you have any intelligence at all, I wish you'd take a moment to use it to actually think about what would be the smart, NPOV, Wikipedia way of handling this issue, instead of choosing this way of going about things. Your bigoted, high-handed and simply rude attitude disgusts me, so I'm taking the same line with you. Elrith 21:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not being stubborn. Last fall I propagated a lot of foreign characters into hockey related articles . I since then have researched it and have changed my mind. I'm willing to change my mind again- as I previously stated: Simply demonstrate a pattern of Finnish hockey publications using Czech characters in players names and vica-versa. I'm curious, but I'm ignorant and wouldn't know where to start.


 * And as stated before: I'm done the Hazelorb thing. If she wants to pursue it, then so be it. Its not your fight so let it go, besides it not like I told her to F*** herself or anything ccwaters 21:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

AHL categories
I see that I made a mistake in recategorizing a subcategory and you corrected it before I realized. Thanks. — Feb. 26, '06 [07:20] 


 * No problem, Isn't a bot supposed to do the dirty work? ccwaters 14:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for edit summary
Hi. I am a bot, and I am writing to you with a request. I would like to ask you, if possible, to use edit summaries a bit more often when you contribute. The reason an edit summary is important is because it allows your fellow contributors to understand what you changed; you can think of it as the "Subject:" line in an email. For your information, your current edit summary usage is 10% for major edits and 62% for minor edits. (Based on the last 150 major and 98 minor edits in the article namespace.)

This is just a suggestion, and I hope that I did not appear impolite. You do not need to reply to this message, but if you would like to give me feedback, you can do so at the feedback page. Thank you, and happy edits, Mathbot 02:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sven Butenschon
''The Vancouver Canucks prospect Sven Butenschon had a Canadian flag originally. He was born in West Germany, so changed I changed him to Germany. I didn't see any obvious ties to Canada (It very well could have just been me being sloppy way back when). If I'm missing something, feel free to change it back ccwaters 01:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)''


 * I'm surprised people actually use my page as a reference or something. :) Anyways, yeah... ditto for me as well. I remember hearing something about Butenschon being a Canadian player but I can't seem to find any definite evidence online. -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! 02:07, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Follow-up: This is the closest I can find so far. It MIGHT be a better idea to use a Canadian flag... -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! 03:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Second follow-up: He'd prefer to play for Canada if he had a choice. I think a Canadian flag might work better here... -- Buchanan-Hermit™ .. CONTRIBS .. SPEAK! 03:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Wrestling Arenas
I'm going to make a deal with you...I would like to only put major annual wrestling ppvs on the arena sites; it is an honor to be chosen. That is better than no mention, but not as far as I was planning to go...all 12 ppvs per year. I think that is fair. WillC 01:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think once you get up to an event a month, its starts to get non notable. Personally I think statements like "The Spectrum was an important venue for the WWF, hosting shows on a more or less monthly basis for over fifteen years." at Wachovia Spectrum are the way to go. Probably every arena in the States has hosted a wrestling event at some point. Anyway, I wouldn't get in your way if you stay with major events. Oh, and I didn't try to email you. ccwaters 02:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with you. And that's why I am staying with major events. So I would appreciate venues such as Copps Coliseum go back the way I had them. Would you mind doing that or shall I? By the way, tremendous hockey work. You sir, are a Wiki-asset. WillC 03:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I put copps back. I took out a few others earlier (Dunkin' Donuts Center, Giant Center, Hartford Civic Center, Pepsi Arena, Wachovia Spectrum). I'll let you decide what should go back, wrestling isn't my forte. ccwaters 03:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have added comments to the articles discussion pages with regards to Starrcade, which was WCW's flagship event in the goold ole days. That event was considered an honor to host. TruthCrusader 19:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Unless said event is significant to the history of the venue (see WrestleMania III at the Pontiac Silverdome), adding wrestling event mentions to all sporting venue articles as a rule is adding irrelevant content. You might as well be adding mentions of how many times the building has hosted the Ringling Brothers circus. - Chadbryant 01:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That is your opinion which, I wish to point out, is not in the majority. Please do not turn this into another revert war. Thank you.

TruthCrusader 07:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok... I said my 2 cents and I really don't care anymore. Please don't turn my talk page into the battleground for this. ccwaters 11:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

NHL team cats
Sorry about that, I first thought it was only the present team the player was playing for then I hopped on to a category page and saw both the past and present, at least trading day was calm enough that I could keep up :) -- Tawker 21:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

NHL infoboxes
You know, there's no need to be rude. I didn't BREAK anything - if the NHL infoboxes did not show the information (just the code with brackets around it) with regards to the correct conference or championships, all anyone had to do was go in and fill it in - the system worked correctly, I tried it out, and someone already put in the information for Colorado and Detroit - I filled it in for Carolina. I put in the "Alternate Captains" slot a few weeks ago as well and all teams have that information filled in now. It's not my fault if people didn't fill in the information two seconds after I made the changes. If you know a better way to put the information in there or just think that it makes the infoboxes look cluttered/crowded, just say so instead of sending me a message that says "thanks for breaking everything." I was just trying to do something worthwhile.


 * That's fine if you wanted to just let me know, I just thought you could have been a little nicer about it - as in tell me why what I did was not acceptable instead of giving me a sarcastic "thanks." I was just trying to give people an avenue for filling in that additional information in one location (as a lot of teams' "Facts" sections are different and do not contain the same types of information); but I do apologize for not filling in the information for all of the teams - again, I was just trying to provide a way for people to fill that stuff in (I didn't know I was actually obligated to go in and do it all myself), but if it "broke" the pages, then I'm sorry about that - I read the discussion on the WikiProject and I agree that the additions would make the pages more cluttered for teams with long histories or a lot of championships, so sorry about the unauthorized edits, I didn't know you guys had a WikiProject going on to regulate all this stuff. Anyway, sorry about the mess.

Admin nom
Hey, CC, how goes it? Just wanted to let you know -- in the shameless self-promotion of the morning -- Croat Canuck was kind enough to nominate me for adminship, and I'd be grateful for a kind word from you in support! Regards, RGTraynor 15:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

AHL Categories
Hey, I'm busy updating a lot of player pages, and while I'm at it I figured I might as well help on adding things. I know you were working on the AHL categories, and I was just wondering what is the status of those, how many do we have? Do we have IHL team categories etc.? Do we just have current teams sprinkled with a few notable old teams? Just wondering. I also would be able to help out in filling out those categories and creating more. I haven't taken on a real project in a few months, and I could do what I did for the CHL alumni category pages and just run thru NHL player articles A-Z and just add categories. I would also do minor-cleanups on the player pages as well. Just a thought. And if you could reply on my talk page, that would be greatly appreciated, or I might not remember to come back here to see your reply. Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go   02:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: TD Waterhouse pic
I'll try my best, but I don't stop there that often. It might be soon, or it might not be, judging from my post nearly a year ago. :-) I'll see what I can do, though. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 23:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Your turn now! I've deleted the old fair use image and uploaded a photo I look last weekend under the same file name, Image:TDWaterhouseCentre.jpg. On retrospect, not the best photography and not the best resolution, but a free image is better than a fair one, right? ;-) All right, how 'bout some shots of the Wachovia Center? Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 19:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * P.S. I'm throwing in a "bonus" picture: Bob_Carr_PAC.jpg, now illustrating a previously lonely article. How about also throwing in a "bonus" pic? :-) Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 19:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * That's great I'll grab a Wachovia pic when I get a chance (maybe this weekend). Is there something in particaular you are looking for? ccwaters 19:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Not really; just responding to the challenge you gave me and the offer :-). Anything to improve the encyclopedia! Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 21:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

129.128.229.97
Just so you know, this IP is one of the ones for the University of Alberta so quite a few people probably just got your message. :D

--Masamax 19:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it looks like a wireless DHCP pool. Oh well. ccwaters 20:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

American Hockey League page
Sorry I was so impatient. It's just that on the United Hockey League page, it already has the 2006-07 teams, and the regular season isn't even over yet there. And yes, Cleveland is official for next season, it says so on one of the AHL news releases. Thanks! --M. Burmy 13:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah... that vote finally happened: . Sorry. ccwaters 18:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

MDG Computers
Hey man, thanks for the help in controlling MDG's self-aggrandizing editing. Same thing has been going on at the site SMS.AC but at least that guy doesn't have the gall to create several obvious sockpuppets. Themindset 16:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Free Sports Venue Image project
Hey, if you do get that started up, please let me know, and I'll gladly do what I can to help contribute to the cause. --fuzzy510 03:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, to kinda ride off of that, I was wondering if you'd maybe consider reviving the sporting venues Wikiproject, since it's been dormant for a while but would still be the best vehicle for both your image initiative and my initiative to expand some of the articles in the ever-growing list of stadium stubs. Let me know what you think. --fuzzy510 01:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll look into it. Thanks. Just got back from camping.... ccwaters 23:58, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Birth Nations
No offense, but that wasn't the best example. Caesar lived and died in the Roman Empire, long before that area was called Italy. The two are almost totally unrelated. Do you think George Washington would consider his birthplace as the British Colonies, or the United States? His country changed in the course of his own lifetime in the same way Jagr's did.SportsEditor 23:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he was born in the British Colony of Virginia. Considering he served as an officer of the colony's militia during the French & Indian war, I'm sure he acknowledged the geopolitical status of his birthplace. Bear in mind that we are referencing states (legal entities), not nations (cultural entities), if your going to argue this. Like others have said: I suggest you bring it up at WP:HOCKEY where all interested parties are likely to notice. ccwaters 00:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments on article naming
Talk:World Junior Ice Hockey Championships If you're interested. Thanks. ColtsScore 08:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Corrupting the spirit of Wikipedia
Seriously, the whole purpose of Wikipedia was the addition of public content, and easy access to it. Does it really matter if I, or one of my readers, bothers to include access to added NEWS information content (Not promotional or sales items) when we're here? It's still valid information, good content, regardless of who made the contribution. \

Are you telling me that providing depth where you cannot, is not a service to the Wikipedia reader?

That is not how Wikipedia was intended to work. Wikipedia is supposed to be both information resource and gateway to other valid resources of information on the web. Go check the founding statements, and see the other valid links in sections to content of interest. There is no difference.

You have appropriated the spirit of the open flow of information into some sort of ccwaters proprietary thing. You corrupt the very spirit of the Wiki movement. It's ccwaters personal sports fiefdom.

Get a life, get a blog, and get out of here, if you are going to restrain the flow of valid information to readers. Interfere with the placement of valid news, and I will go to Wikipedia's management and ask for your removal as an editor.


 * Go ahead. Ask "management" about policy. I await their reply. ccwaters 16:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Mediation
Hi; please see User talk:Mlnsports for a mediation case you've been listed under. Sdedeo (tips) 23:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Junior B Teams
Hello, a user has decided that he does not want us placing hockey stubs on Wikipedia to expand later into teams. In particular he doesn't like Junior teams... I was wondering if you could please voice your opinion. Articles for deletion/Thunder Bay Northern Hawks DMighton 01:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there some sort of article on Junior B teams/leagues that would explain the confusion between junior/juvenile/etc? Maybe that would save everyone some grief... -- nae'blis (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about that, I never made that particular assertion. The PDF FAQ found off of http://www.hockeycanada.ca/7/5/3/4/index1.shtml lists levels as:

Initiation –5&6 Novice    –7&8 Atom      – 9 & 10 Peewee    – 11 & 12 Bantam    – 13 & 14 Midget    – 15 – 17 Junior    – 20 and under

My Toews Article
On the talk page for the deletion of Jonathan Toews, I see there is a general consensus that people want the article to stay. As the creator, can I remove the Deletion tag? Or do I just wait? Let me know, I'm a noob. Pmorrow136 23:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

English names vs. non english names
Hello Ccwaters, i was wondering if you could take a look here Talk:Plzeň at the poll about which name should be used. I am not saying "support me", but have a look and add your thoughts. Thanks Masterhatch 02:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hurricanes
I say we just ignore the guy; he's already explicitly said he just hangs around Wikipedia because he's bored, and seems to have little respect for its rules and process. Heaven knows his talk page is studded with complaints about him. I certainly don't think we need to get into his attempts to turn this into some partisan screed. Perhaps he'll just go away. RGTraynor 01:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not taking the bait anymore... ccwaters 11:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

World Hockey Association (Proposed)
Is it because the syntax is confusing and may be interpretted as a NHL backed replacement?? ccwaters 18:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Im not sure of the question you ask but I will try and answer it the way I see it. The reason I feel that the information below in quotes should be removed is because the information talks about the NHL and its labor problems. To me the World Hockey Association (proposed) and the NHL are two seperate leagues and should have their information seperate. I do not think it is a NHL backed replacement. I just feel that the information below does not need to be in the World Hockey Association (proposed) because it is not a part of the World Hockey Association (proposed) it is a part of the NHL and its labor problems. If you take a look at their websites you will see that it still is trying to start a league the first site is rather long http://www.worldhockeyassociation.net/ and the second one is just a regular site. They are also a publically traded company Ticker symbol WHKA. So they are still trying to succeed today.

"The league was regarded by many as an attempt to fill the void that loomed as the NHL's serious labour problems, which led to the 2004-05 NHL lockout, became apparent. Most hockey writers and many fans felt that the league's best hope was to operate while the NHL playes were locked out and try to develop enough of a following to survive once the NHL labour problems were resolved."

I hope that I was able to answer your question and I hope you agree with my point of view. If you have any questions please ask. John R G 08:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

re: Mighty Ducks CFD
It is probably best to discuss it on WP:HOCKEY as to whether to keep both versions, or move all of them to one version. If we do decide to move all of the articles to one version, also remember that in most cases CFD can be bypassed with CSD #C1: empty categories with no articles or subcategories for at least four days can be speedy deleted. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Hurricanes trivia
Why did you remove my edits in the "Trivia" section of the Carolina Hurricanes article - lack of sources? I can discuss the credibility of what I put in, if you like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.3.83.224 (talk • contribs)
 * I replied at Talk:Carolina Hurricanes ccwaters 13:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

MY God!!!
That was creepy, he has actually incorporated himself into the articles as if he really is famous. DMighton 23:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: IHL (1904 - 1907)
I've ony seen a couple of references to International (Professsional) Hockey League or International (Pro) Hockey League. The vast majority of books, articles and sites that I've referenced (Hall of Fame website, Total Hockey and so forth) refer to this league as, simply, the International Hockey League. I'd like to verify the proper name before I post the article, so if you have a link to articles of incorporation or anything like that, I'd appreciate it if you'd post it.

--James Warner-Smith 21:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hold on, I'll check at WP:HOCKEY ccwaters 21:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Need this to be unblocked please
Thanks for doing a really good job of overseeing articles but this one is ok. I have sent this to an admin as well for review and asked for the page to be uploaded as is.

Commercial driver's license I built this page and yes I used the Gov site for info for this page. I have edited it numerous times to keep if from being a total copy but really can't edit the laws, type of classes and violations as these need to be in correct legal language.


 * I have called the government site in case point 202-366-2952 and have been assured I am not breaking any copyright laws. There aren't any copyright restrictions on the site.

Any Federal Government site is owned by us the public and free to use copy print transmit etc. Please call the number I have given you to verify my statement.

Thanks for your time into looking into this for me. God Bless --Supplements 14:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not blocking anything. Maybe its not copyrighted and perfectly legal, but it is in poor form to copy it verbatim. Why not keep it as it was before and link to that website? Anyway, my CV notice will probably bring in a third opinion to help resolve the matter. ccwaters 14:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * "True statement poor form" The article is not verbatim never was maybe a little to much copied text but never really totally copied. I took your edits constructively and reworded about the entire article but as I said rules, laws and cdl classes. These really need to remain intact for legal purposes. --Supplements 14:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Catman Cohen censure issue
removed crossposting of Talk:Catman Cohen ccwaters 16:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Identity of 24.57.136.32
I read his talk page and saw that you thought he was the same guy as Hasek is the best. I remember when I first came onto the article, 24.57.133.202 was Hasek is the best's IP prior to registration. Running a quick WHOIS on one and the other shows they're both from the same area. --Wafulz 02:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Whalerguy1 21:30, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins
I remember hearing when this franchise was first placed in Wilkes-Barre, that this was the rebirth of the dormant Corwall Aces - Halifax Citadels franchise. I remember hearing that at the end of the 1995-96 AHL season, the Pittsburgh Penguins puchased the Corwall Aces and left it dormant until they could find a city for the team to play in. I remember them intially trying to place the team in Hartford for the 1997-98 season after the Hartford Whalers left they lost their bid to the New York Rangers who placed the Wolf Pack in Hartford. So then Penguins waited until they waited until the 1999-2000 season to bring back the franchise when Wilkes-Barre offered them a home for their minor league team. Do you have any information of knowledge that can confirm this?


 * See Talk:Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins

Staright from the ECHL's website, eh?
Why did you take out the Gulf Coast Swords, which ARE listed? Tom Danson 17:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Mistakes happen. Sorry. ccwaters 20:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

IHL team categories
I just wanted you to know (if you didn't see my post on WP:HOCKEY, that I put these six IHL team categories, some of which you created, up for renaming. You can take part in the discussion, if you'd like, at Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_20. Skudrafan1 23:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hockey
A couple things. . . . First, thanks for removing the stuff about Nicklas Lidstrom being named captain, twice. I've also had to remove it yet again. Let's keep watching it. Wikipedia isn't the place for speculation and rumors.

Second, since you've been such a good editor of hockey articles, I think your input would be valuable on the Talk:Ales Hemsky page. There's a little dispute going on, and I'd rather have some outsiders help us out, to avoid edit wars, etc. --Muéro 23:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
Would like to know because you judge vandalism the paginates maid???

Can you explain to me please?

Eduardo A. de Paula and Tada Ima Dojo


 * The deletion templates full explained the process to contest them. They clearly state "do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself". Thus the vandalism. ccwaters 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal attack
Please don't threaten me with blocks. Personal attacks are also a reason for you being blocked. Anyways, I didn't revert anything. Kingjeff 18:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ?? Are you saying that those are not your edits logged here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toronto_Blue_Jays&action=history ccwaters 18:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not talking about my edits. I'm talking about your message for me on my talk page. Kingjeff 18:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * What?? Adding Template:3rr is a personal attack? ccwaters 18:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes. And haven't you ever heard of archiving? Kingjeff 21:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you think that was a personal attack, then report it. ccwaters 22:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:RochesterCanal RochesterNY.jpg
Hi, thanks for your message on Commons. If you look at the source page it specifically says that it's public domain. The copyright notice applies to materials that are outside of the Digital Media Library (or Press Room, when accessed from the byways.org home page). Regards,  howch e  ng   {chat} 16:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh.. I see it. Sorry. ccwaters 17:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Wrigley Stamp
I'm not sure how to tag it, but I'd like to know whether you think the subject has merit. The postage stamp fair use thing about "talking about the stamp but not its contents" makes no logical sense. What are you going to say about a stamp if you don't talk about its contents? Wahkeenah 04:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not quite sure. You licensed the entire image based on 1/3 of the composite. I'd ask at Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. I'm going to bed. I check up on it tomorrow. ccwaters 04:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, come on, the night is young. :) I'll work on enhancing the fair use argument. Wahkeenah 04:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * My guess is that you could claim fair use on one of the individual images to illustrate a past configuration of the ballpark, but melding them all together complicates the claim. I'm not a lawyer though. ccwaters 14:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I broadened it to a more general fair use claim, including the fact that it's to be used only in that one article, which is normal. If anyone challenges the use of the stamp, I do have a possible fallback, in that they also issue a series of postcards supplementing the stamps, so I would substitute that. I would still like for a stamp maven to explain how or why anyone would talk about a stamp without talking about the illustration on it. Wahkeenah 17:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Albany Skyline
Hi, thanks for the notice. Actually that image does fall under fair user because it was promotional material from a government organization (in this case, Albany County). I have removed the deletion tag - please remove the image from the deletion list. Thanks. Mets 18:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It has a copyright right on the image, and the site itself states "Copyright © 2006 Albany County Convention and Visitors Bureau, Inc.". Specifically the "Inc." Don't confuse a loca tourist organization with the *Federal* gov't. ccwaters 18:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sarasota "Spam" link remove
If you are going to call our site spam and remove it, you might as well remove SRQ magazine as well. SRQ racing has as long a history in the Sarasota area, even if you dont know us. I've been there supporting since 2001, and recently took charge of it since the principle founder moved out of state. Spam inherently means a site out to take money or otherwise do harm, this site is about bringing the car community of sarasota together. I recieve no compensation for hosting the site and I'd appreciate it if you'd re-add it. Jgregg 23:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Metsbot
Hi, your bot tagged the Albany River Rats as WP:North Carolina. That's an ice hockey team in Albany, New York whose only connection to North Carolina is a new affiliation with the Carolina Hurricanes. I guess you can argue it either way, but I think most people would lean towards not including the article. ccwaters 22:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's one problem with bots. It's in Category:Carolina Hurricanes, so it was tagged.  I've removed it. — Mets 501  (talk) 23:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hershey Bears, etc
Thanks for the note of welcome. I have been writing about pro hockey (three books, 2,000+ articles) for 35 years in the Philadelphia area and have attended more than 2,500 games. (About 350 of these have been in Hershey.) Much of my professional writing has been about hockey history, especially in Philadelphia and Hershey. I also work as lead statistician on all home telecasts of the Flyers and Phantoms and attend on average from 80 to 90 NHL and AHL games a season. As time permits, I will concentrate on working on the articles relating to the AHL, the Hershey Bears, and all the major and minor league pro teams in Philadelphia from 1927 to today. (For more information about me see HockeyScoop.net.) Centpacrr 07:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Newenglandsports
This template you made Template:Newenglandsports is up for deletion here. T REX speak 20:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Lehigh county ballpark aerial concept.png
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Copyright problems with Image:Lehigh county ballpark aerial concept.png
An image that you uploaded, Image:Lehigh county ballpark aerial concept.png, has been listed at Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Alphageekpa 12:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Allentown, Pennsylvania
Hi. I wasn't the source for that original Lehigh County Ballpark photo/sketch, so I wasn't aware of its copyright status and I'm fine removing it since the one you found is better anyway. Could you assist me in fixing the caption on it? I'm not sure what the heck I'm doing wrong there. By way of introduction, by the way, I am a member of the Pennsylvania Wikipedia project and a long-standing editor on Pennsylvania-related topics. Thanks for your input and assistance. PAWiki 15:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

More Spider Baby: Clarrification
Now hang on just a second. Just because it was Bakersfield doesn't mean it wasn't a professional production. Also the Jesus Christ Super Star and Jekyll & Hyde soundtracks floated around the ether for years before their broadway debut. The concept CD is out there. Folks buy it. The fact is there is a musical out there based on Spider Baby. Why shouldn't the fans of that movie or horror fans get to know about it? Jack Hill himself endorsed it why not let it be on his page? Heck the script is his. Not an attack just trying to figure out the criteriea. Boffotaco 08:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Cross-posting your reply is not something bad, in fact, I think it's beneficial. I always cross-post, as it serves as a reference for both parties in a conversation. There are times when people forget about messaging another user. There are times when other users don't look back at my user talk page, and they only remember again once I post my message on their talk page. I just think it simplifies things a bit. And I also know a number of fellow admins and users that do the same. Nish kid  64  19:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

PI ETA Consulting Company
Careful - CSD G4 only applies to articles deleted per AfD, not per CSD. To be deleted again under CSD it has to meet the CSD criterion again - G11 here - which it did. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Brevet des collèges
Hi. I'm the author of the Brevet des collèges topic. I've uploaded an image now (the only difference since you last saw it), but I was wondering if you could reassess the article and tell me how to improve upon it.Thanks  ViperBlade  Talk!! 18:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

L.A. vote
Since you recently voted on the Philadelphia article name change, I thought you might be interested in participating on the vote to make a similar name change for another city on the AP style guide, Los Angeles. See Talk:Los Angeles, California. Also, if you put my user page on your watchlist, you'll see notifications of other similar votes. --Serge 18:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Atlantic League trophy
The Atlantic League trophy image at Image:AtLtrophy.PNG is "owned by either the organization hosting the event or the artist which produced the poster in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of sporting event posters:


 * to illustrate the sports event in question"

This is a direct quote from the licensing statement for sports posters. Obviously the Atlantic League owns the image posted on its website referring to its own championship.

KnoxSGT 19:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It is NOT a poster (IE a big printed graphic used to promote the event in question like this Image:1950 Football World Cup poster.jpg). That is what that image tag is meant for. ccwaters 19:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

BarnstormersJersey
One can't simply create another pic like this as it contains a copywritten wordmark and a logo. As it comes from the team's store, it is promotional.

KnoxSGT 19:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Responded at Image talk:BarnstormersJersey.PNG ccwaters 21:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Petr Nedved and Niko Dimitrakos
When you edited those pages, I had it written that Bob Clarke said that neither would play with the Philadelphia Flyers again. It was Paul Holmgren, so my source is correct and I will repost it. If you disagree, please leave a comment at my talk page. Briememory 19:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about my comment. I deleted it as it was emotional and irrational. Thanks for your response.

Image:Joe-Bruno-Stadium.jpg
"I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created."

So...are we taking your helicopter or my private jet to go get that aerial shot? Mets 04:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding
Image:IMG 3108.JPG and Image:Serenityimage.JPG. Why would an image I photographed be contested? I am well within my rights to grant fair use to a photograph I took with my camera. Gateman1997 23:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

fair use images
Thanks for looking through Category:Replaceable fair use images disputed. I'm glad you often agree with me, but even if you don't, it's good to have other opinions on those. Thanks. – Quadell (talk) (random) 21:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Milwaukee admirals 2006-07 logo 250x250.png)
Thanks for uploading Image:Milwaukee admirals 2006-07 logo 250x250.png. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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Wanamaker organ
Hi there. I'm not sure why this is tagged as fair use, because this comes from a press kit, so I'm not sure that the rights are reserved. Is it possible for my father to draft an official release of rights or some other legal statement with the same effect? Essentially, my question is this: my father has some great images, and they are liscensed to him, but I know without a doubt that he is willing to release them. How can this be achieved? AdamBiswanger1 01:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Image
Hi. Thanks for uploading that image of NYC Marathon? lol It was uploaded almost six months ago! Without problems to no one but you now, and I'm wondering why.

Well, I don't know how to do what you suggested me and I appreciate if you could do that for me. (This replacement fair use dispute)

The reason because we can't have a free image of that is because that photo was shot over Verrazano Bridge, NY, as you can see, moments after the start of the marathon, and no one, but the media or pro-photographers working to New York city Marathon Road Runners Club (NYCRRC), who has the credit and copyright of that image, can stay there, in that place, at that point of the race, over the bridge. The bridge is closed to people and traffic since the night before the race. Everybody who runs knows that, I think you're not a runner :-)

Could you do this for me, please? Thanks. Machocarioca 00:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)machocarioca

American Hockey League
For the corrections I made having to do with the New Haven Nighthawks & the Cleveland Barons (1937/38 to 1971/72), I got my information from Total Hockey (2nd Edition 2000), the Official Encyclopedia Of The National Hockey League. I'm in the process of notifying hockeyDB.com of the error in their stats as well.

--Theonlymoose 04:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:BOK Center-BothRenditions.jpg
I noticed you tagged this photo with an improper license tag. I left a comment on the picture's talk page. Please take a look at it when you get a chance. Thank you.--NMajdan &bull;talk 19:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't notice the talk page. Sorry. Do you happen to have anything regarding the release of Image:OMU.jpg. I nominated it for deletion earlier. Obviously if you have evidence of it, I'll retract. Thanks. ccwaters 20:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't. That image needs to be deleted. I mentioned that on the image deletion page as well.--NMajdan &bull;talk 20:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Sunstone
I took the picture and assigned it to creative commmons. Please write the correct template for me to assert the copyright as appropriate. I have never experienced an objection in my uploads of my pictures. If the issue is that I truly own the copyright as creative commons, please let me know. I never worried about it. --Ancheta Wis 18:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:WorldTradeCenterAttack.png‎
Hello, I noticed you edited the above image I uploaded. I am having a hard time understanding the image rules. This photo was originally uploaded as a Government image. There is a place under the images saying you can edit the images, so I downloaded it and edited its width to fit my article. I then uploaded it with, I thought, the same copyright information. Please let me know if this was incorrect. Thanks Sugplumxx 19:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The original image was Image:Twin Towers in fire - 911- Fema picture.jpg from WikiCommons. Sugplumxx 19:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You have the image Image:WorldTradeCenterAttack.png listed as PD-self, implying that you took the picture and are releasing it into the public domain. Obviously this isn't the case. Read WP:IT if you need help. It is also required the you list a source for each image (where it came from). This image isn't the only image you uploaded that has this problem. I see images of graffiti from across the globe that you have claimed as your own work. I'll check back soon regarding those. ccwaters 20:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I specifically remember copying the information from the WikiCommons original photo and putting it in the description of the trade tower image. It was a link to a PDF file.  As far as the other images, I have tons of photographs from all over the world (former attendant for UAL) that I have taken.  Are they not considered my own work, or does your own work mean "from-scratch" art that you have created?  Sugplumxx 01:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You are speaking of Image:911.png which you have properly tagged, though I don't understand why you uploaded it if its already in the commons. You certainly have a knack for stumbling upon anti-US graffiti. When is the last time United went anywhere near Tehran? ccwaters 12:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

help me out with google maps
Can you help me out in defining the copyright for the Image:KLIA from satelite.JPG? And with other of my uploaded images? the rules for images are confusing. THank you for commenting. Zack2007 03:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Antero Nittymaki
Hello, Ccwaters. I've requested a compromise with the 'Nittymaki' article creater. I asked her to take the diacritcs off the title of the article, in exchange for leaving the article contents in diacritcs. Here's hoping the compromise will be accepted. GoodDay 00:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Kasparaitis
Eek, yeah. That's a tough one. My gut feeling tells me that on the tem page, it should be Russia (due to intl. play) but it might be wiser to have both Lithuania and Russia on his actual article. That's what I think though -- what do you think? -→Buchanan-Hermit ™ /?! 02:28, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Copyright enforcement
Couldn't you contribute to wikipedia in a more constructive way? - Diceman 15:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Is knowingly claiming copyrighted works as your own constructive? ccwaters 15:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleveland Barons
Your comments are sought at Talk:Cleveland Barons (1937-1972). Thanks. Flibirigit 21:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

AHL overtime loss
Your comments are sought at this talk page. Talk:American_Hockey_League. Thanks! !!!! Flibirigit 18:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

ARROW PARK Rockland COunty, NY
The picture was taken in Natural Recreation facility named, Arrow Park located in Rockland County, New York State. It is just around 2 hours to drive from New York City. Take the I-87 thorughway get off at exit 15, and then .... drive (dont know where) and in another 30 minutes you will get there.

Navy Yard Ballpark - Overlay
Image is an overlay of a Nationals ballpark blueprint, as released to the media, over a Google Maps image. This image created myself. Fair use. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NatsFanY2K (talk • contribs) 15:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC).

Images
Hi, thanks for your message regarding {Image:Kourion.jpg) and (Image:Machairas 2.jpg). I was under the impression that material distributed on the web and pamphlets by organisations, for publicity of their cause (in this case the CTO (Cyprus tourist board)) was covered by fair usage. Am I wrong? The CTO has these photos freely available for download in much higher resolution at the link that i included in  my description.StephP 15:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Read WP:FUC. ccwaters 15:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see any notice stating the conditions related to those images. You have to assume they're copyrighted unless stated otherwise. If you can produce evidence that the images are freely licensed, then they should be tagged accordingly. Otherwise they are are subject to wiki's policy on Fair use images referenced above. ccwaters 16:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read it again (twice), can't see which of the 10 points is violated. Have you read it? StephP 16:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * #1 says No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information...if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken. ccwaters 16:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Need your help
Hi, Could you help me to select the correct copy-right tag for this picture? -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  Walkie-talkie |undefined 19:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Prodding articles
Hey there. Just a friendly request to mention in the edit summary when you propose an article for deletion (like here). It makes the page history easier to read. Thanks. NickelShoe (Talk) 22:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar
I see you accepted your barnstar, which I find great. You've been doing a lot of work for the hockey section of Wikipedia for a long time and I thought it was time you received tangible recognition. Personally I really appreciated your work on the AHL players categories the best, you did a really good job on those. From one CC to another, it was fully deserved and keep up the good work! Croat Canuck  Go Leafs Go   02:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

About my wallpaper collages...
Well, I didn't know they were copyrighted, because nobody informed me, and and since I made iy myself, I thought they were ok to put on. Oh well. Hasek is the best 20:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No, I'm assuming the pictures were not taken by you. And any logos are registered trademarks that you have no right to appropriate. ccwaters 20:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I thought it was confusing because I made it myself but the pics weren't taken by me. So that was hard to figure out if it was copyrighted or not. Hasek is the best 20:25, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Its called derivative work. ccwaters 20:35, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh. Hasek is the best 20:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)