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Alessandro Esseno page
Hi TerryAlex,

thanks for your kind response. Let me explain what's going on. I think I'll need your help. After many years, the Italian Wikipedia page of composer and pianist Alessandro Esseno was canceled on the pretext that this artist would have released all his records with the record label owned by him. This is totally false. There are link iTunes and Amazon that witness. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/186-0955803-3150508?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=alessandro+esseno In addition to this has been put in doubt that this artist can be "encyclopedic". This is despite a slew of articles about him in specialized journals since 1990, radio and television interviews, concerts in Italy and abroad, and of esteem on the part of people like Carla Bruni-Sarkozy and Sting. http://www.tvnumeriuno.it/?p=982 Many of us in Italy, to admire the musical art of this great artist, and frankly what's going on there seems deeply unfair to him. Every news has been checked with great care. In 2006 the CD "La Terra non finisce all'orizzonte" published by Rai Trade, has passed into the iTunes charts, the album by Ennio Morricone. This is not quite encyclopedic? Esseno was a guest in 2009 of the prestigious Ravello Festival, in 2011 he performed at the Auditorium Parco della Musica in Rome. It is not a stranger. So why all this malice against him? In 2013 Rai Uno (the TV most important in Italy) has dedicated a special visible on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_2-K8GW-NZA Until the publication of his groundbreaking method of composition: http://www.inmondadori.it/metodo-composition-Alessandro-Esseno/eai978889112507/ I am convinced that the truth always wins in the end, both the prejudices that on lies. I would be honored if you would help me to fix the page en.wikipedia. Esseno deserves it. Ars gratia Artis. Thank you.--91.252.214.148 (talk) 19:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Tiffany
Hi TerryAlex I am absolute beginner at Wiki edits and saw you improved the wordflow on my edit for(Tiffany Girls' Generation article) thanks! I think that her Korean Name needs to be tagged asking for it to be sourced. Can you do that? I do not know if I have user privilege to do it myself, and I do not know how wiki markup wise. Obiwan92507 (talk) 16:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi again,

I checked that ref and it looks good to me. Even with my poor Korean knowledge I can read some of the headlines. First I've seen her Korean name referenced. I probably should think about adding some other stuff to improve the article, if I do feel free to point out any errors I make! Obiwan92507 (talk) 17:02, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

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"good faith edit"
I'm sorry, but how does "I like turtles" constitute a good faith edit?Fungal vexation (talk) 14:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fungal vexation, you mean I should have marked it as a "vandalism" instead? because I don't see anything in that statement that can contribute to that article --TerryAlex (talk) 14:50, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was vandalism, yes.Fungal vexation (talk) 14:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fungal vexation: Ah well, I guess, I can be a bit lenient at times. I always like to assume good-faith first unless it is blatantly profanity or words that are very offensive. Thanks for advising me.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Whoa, I've thought my self as a vegetarian for many years, because I did not consider dairy products and eggs to be meat. I guess I've never been a vegetarian before. Is this octo-lacto thing new? And I'm sorry if I came of as rude. You didn't do anything wrong. Fungal vexation (talk) 15:03, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Fungal vexation, so I'm guessing that you don't eat meat? Well, if so, then you are really a vegetarian. There are many types of vegetarians out there.  Some eat both milk and eggs while others only eat one type or the other (see here Types of Vegetarians).  On the other hand, those who don't eat any animals by-products at all are called vegan. By the way, there is no need to apologize, I guess I have to be reminded sometimes that I can be a bit too lenient. --TerryAlex (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Texas A&M University
Please look more carefully before you follow ClueBot and hit revert, followed by a warning. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Drmies, thanks for the notice. I do make a mistake sometimes.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure thing--and I appreciate the note you just placed. Drmies (talk) 18:39, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Jain Acharya Vijay RatnakarSuri
Hey TerryAlex, The Article Jain Acharya Vijay RatnakarSuri is an Article about a Living Jain Monk Who is a popular personality among all jains in India. And I have references in written (printed in an newspapers)of india and I can show it to you too. please tell me where to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenishjain17 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Jenishjain17, it might be helpful that you take a look at this here Template:Cite news and here Biographies of living persons. All biographies of persons need to have at least a reliable reference/source; otherwise, it would be deleted as in your article's case. So if you want to recreate this article or other new articles in the future, please keep it in mind. Hope this helps.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks TerryAlex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenishjain17 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Content Removed
Hi! Regarding the change I have made to the site Islam in Slovakia.... well I thought the info were old and I wanted to get some new ones in... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otapka (talk • contribs) 08:02, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Otapka, please specify it in the "Edit summary" the next time. Thanks so much. --TerryAlex (talk) 12:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

How to restore
Hello sir, How do i restore the page It would be very greatful if you could help me im restoring my page "Jain Acharya Vijay RatnakarSuri" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenishjain17 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Jenishjain17, take a look at this page Recreation of previously deleted pages. Hope this helps --TerryAlex (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

TTS Sales
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October 2014
Monica potter has three children, not four. If she has four, each should be listed under the "personal life" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrvmsv (talk • contribs) 03:05, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey TerryAlex, On the Australian_domestic_limited-overs_cricket_tournament page I changed the name of the Qld Bulls as they are no longer sponsored by XXXX Gold and are now sponsored by my FootDr. Not sure why this was marked as spam ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfishau (talk • contribs) 03:22, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

K-pop "rappers" and "dancers"
Hey TerryAlex, I noticed your edits on the Amber Liu and Sulli pages and saw that you edited rapper from both pages because as you put it, "[they] do not rap the whole songs". This reasoning is flawed, primarily because by that logic, they should not be classified as singers either as they do not sing whole songs. Both do not have any solo songs and are performing as part of f(x) so of course they have not demonstrating rapping or singing a whole song. Therefore, they should still be classified as both singers and rappers because that is what they are promoted as when they are performing with f(x) (particularly Amber who raps a lot more than she sings in their songs).

Secondly, I think "dancer" should definitely still be considered a part of their occupation because unlike Western artists, K-pop idols are specifically trained to dance as part of their performances. Dancing is a part of their occupation because it is part of what encompasses an idol, and they are promoted as entertainers, celebrities who are singers as well as dancers (and sometimes actors and models). Most Western artists are not promoted as dancers and as such, it is not included as part of their occupation. However, K-pop idols are held to a different regard since groups are expected to dance in unison and there are even some Western artists who are classified as dancers such as Beyoncé and Chris Brown due to the level of dancing in their performances. Now I agree with the removal of other occupational titles such as "model", "MC" or "presenter" as they can be considered superfluous and redundant (although "model" may be relevant in some cases such as with Bae Suzy, Yoona and Sulli because they have garnered national success through their promotional model endorsements and I believe that should be recognised in their occupation).

Sorry for the long post about this small issue, but I'd be interested to know what you think about my stance on it, since I too have issues with the current format of K-pop articles. Azuxingmi talk 19:20, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello User:Azuxingmi talk, hmmm, how should I put this, I don't deny the fact that some of the K-pop artists are good dancers, but think it's more relevant to recognize them as singers & actresses rather than anything else. Yes, they were trained in all sort of things such as dancing, singing and acting. But at the end of the day, dancing is only a part of enhancing the singing/performing parts, it's not something that they do separately from it. They hardly ever have a strictly-dancing performance, maybe once or twice during a random concert, but that does not really count [even singers who have no training in dancing, they can do good movements if they practice hard enough right? So I don't see how they can be considered as dancers that way]. My point is: they were trained in dancing in order "to perform" rather than doing anything in professional dancing, they are not the back-up dancers. After all, all K-pop artists are still singers (but some are better than the others).


 * As for the "rappers", it's a bit harder to draw the line for the K-pop artists, because some "rappers" can still sing, and some "singers" can still rap. I think the important point that we should emphasize here is that whether it's rapping or singing, they all do contribute their "vocal" to the songs. Therefore, I find it not important to strictly define them as "rappers". In general, they all are still singers.


 * For "Model", all K-pop artists generally do get many endorsements throughout their career [it does not really apply to any one particular artist], so it's not necessary to include it (as well as the "Endorsement" section) on Wikipedia unless it's something very significant. Most of the time, being recognized as the "model" does not make them anymore famous than they really are. They first, and foremost, are well-known professionally as being singers and actors. They are definitely not professional models.


 * In general, I also have many issues with the current format of K-pop articles. I find many information irrelevant. For example, K-pop as the music genre already includes all types of music within it (pop, hip-hop, dance, etc); therefore, it's not necessary to list out anything else.  On the other hand, lots of K-pop articles do not have any coherent writing styles.  The wordings/word flows are all over the place. Some sentences even have mixed past, present, future tense.--TerryAlex (talk) 21:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification, and I have to say you have me convinced! So I suppose idols shouldn't necessarily be considered "dancers" as a separate occupation, as they only really dance to enhance their performances, regardless of how skilled they may be (with exceptions such as Hyoyeon, Min and Kahi who were professional dancers/back-up dancers prior to becoming idols). And yeah, K-pop articles in general need reworking and I'm assuming that a lot of the editors working on these articles are quite young and inexperienced as the K-pop target demographic primarily consists of pre-teens and teens.  Azuxingmi  talk 22:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Azuxingmi talk Generally speaking, to me they are all entertainers, because they can sing, dance (and act) very well at the same time. And you know, within the fandom world, we do recognize some as the better dancers while others as the better singers. But professionally and specifically, I think it's most relevant to recognize them as singers and actors (like I said). That's what they professionally well-known as, that is their main jobs (being a singer of a certain group, or being a lead actress of a certain drama). So other occupations are not necessary to be listed. Anyways, thank you so much for the discussion.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:45, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Citations in infobox
Does the birth date/place really need to be referenced in the infobox, if it is referenced in the text of the article? There are lots of featured articles that don't reference info in the infobox if it is referenced in the text (e.g. Mariah Carey). Is there a rule or earlier discussion about this? Thanks. Random86 (talk) 20:33, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Random86 (talk),not sure about birthplace (but I made a reference anyways), but birthdate definitely has to be cited--TerryAlex (talk) 22:26, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Random86 (talk), moreover, a lot of K-pop articles either has redundant or unreliable information (with no good references), so it would be good just to input the citation wherever we can to verify that piece of information.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, many K-pop articles are badly written and need references. However, I don't think information necessarily needs to be cited in the infobox if it is cited in the body of the article. WP:WHYCITE states: "Citations are also often discouraged in the lead section of an article, insofar as it summarizes information for which sources are given later in the article, although such things as quotations and particularly controversial statements should be supported by citations even in the lead." I thought this could apply to the infobox as well as the lead section. Having citations in the infobox isn't a big deal, but I think unnecessary ones make it look cluttered. Random86 (talk) 22:59, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Random86 (talk), I asked an admin and this is what he replied to me. It does not necessary has to be cited inside the infobox, but WP:LEAD does recommend not to cite in the lead paragraph. So do you think it is better to cite within the lead or the infobox?

''Hi Materialscientist, does the birthdate/birthplace of a living person need to be cited inside the infobox? Or can it just need to be cited anywhere else in the article? Let me know. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:05, 9 November 2014 (UTC)''

''It must be cited, in the lead, body or infobox. WP:LEAD advises us not to cite in the lead, but many bios don't have refs at all, so WP:LEAD doesn't really apply. Materialscientist (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC)'' --TerryAlex (talk) 23:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Random86 (talk), not to confuse you, the reason why I asked if it's better to cite within the lead or infobox is because for a few articles such as Jessica or Tiffany, their birthdates were not mentioned again after the lead paragraph.

November 2014
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 * Hi Jschnur talk, I don't think that edit even made any sense? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Melbourne&oldid=634326987 --TerryAlex (talk) 04:05, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * My humble apologies, I was trying out igloo (which is in alpha) and it looked like you did the vandalism. Good on you for reverting my edit. I'll be more careful in future. Jschnur (talk) 04:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * BTW, Feel free to remove my erroneous warning. Jschnur (talk) 04:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Wrong revert
Hi TerryAlex. I thought it was sensible to correct the book title to the name under which it was actually published, rather than an earlier working title that was changed sometime prior to that. Ms. Rivenbark's official website which is there as an external link has the actual book cover, if you're in doubt. Whether one likes the final title or not, doesn't quite seem like vandalism to list it. Tonytlc (talk) 23:28, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Tonytlc talk, I overlooked your comment, it was my mistake and I apologize for it.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Encyclopedic?
I'm missing something here. I don't recall a vote as to what is Encyclopedic, and why you are the person to judge it and delete information you have decided in not following such. If anything a vote on the various talk pages should have ensued. But instead, you chose to delete information from Wikipedia. Information that has withstood the changes of time, on some pages as much as 5yrs, and has passed through numerous editors. Mikepellerin talk 05:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi User:Materialscientist and User:Mikepellerin, please see this discussion that I had with another user a while back regarding this issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Drmies/Archive_74#Taeyeon . I think it made a lot of sense. Let me know. I'm just trying to improve the pages here, and not being biased about it. Thanks very much.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


 * By the way, User:Materialscientist and User:Mikepellerin, you are free to add back some of the info that you find to be important, but like my discussion with another user above, trimming is and always will be a good thing. We don't need to know every single event that those K-pop artists appear in. If we do, the list will go on and on forever. And you know, some of those "guest appearances" did not even mention anything besides the name of the show, and the fact that that one particular artist appear in it. If it was something like "He won this game show, or he was the main host/cast for the show from 2010-2012" then obviously they have to be kept, but most of these guest appearances happen many times during the year, and have nothing notable to be listed on Wikipedia.
 * And please see this discussion on my talk page as well (regarding the K-pop "rappers" and "dancers") User talk:TerryAlex .--TerryAlex (talk) 05:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Dear User:Qashwablack & User:Mikepellerin (I stopped by you guys' talk pages and saw that you guys were concerned with my edits). So I just want to put all my thoughts together and get my whole point across

In general, I think there are three [and/or] general issues with a lot of Kpop articles: 1. no reliable sources 2. redundancy 3. no coherent writing structures.

At one point in time, someone just has to be that bad guy who comes in and cleans it out before this redundancy becomes too excessive.

One point that I want to demonstrate here is: When I read a Wikipedia article, I want to ask myself, what legacy do these Kpop artists want me to know about? A lot of the Kpop articles, to me, are just a bunch of long-winded words being put together; there is no central point in demonstrating the accomplishments that those artists have done. [Not all though, obviously, there are good K-pop articles out there] Personally, to me, Wikipedia is not like a fanpage where you just input a whole bunch of information into it without any kind of bigger picture/long-term perspective. 50 years from now, nobody really cares about the list of television programs that these K-pop artists appear in. The question here is what did they do in those television shows? Was there anything relevant regarding their career accomplishments? Or did they say something that is worth to remember? If there were, then instead of just listing it out in the table format, we may also indicate it somewhere within the article as well. But if not, then it's pretty irrelevant and need not to be on Wikipedia.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of every K-pop artist out there and I am not too knowledgeable about most of them either; therefore, I can only trim out those irrelevant information that are too obvious to the eyes. For example, do we really need to describe it like this "Singer A is a singer, actor, dancer, rapper, leader, main vocalist, main dancer, MC, communications director, promotional model, businessperson, fashion designer, CEO, producer, choreographer, executive producer." Does Singer A really make a living as being every single one of those description? Is it really that necessary? I think not. Also, do we need to list out every endorsement/brand that Singer A has modeled for throughout their entire life? This is just overly-promoted description, really.

And let's just be clear here, I don't own any of these articles, and don't want to either OWN. Wikipedia, is after all, a community of many editors. So I contribute and you also contribute to it. But I only want to at least take the first step and try to somewhat restructure it a bit, like I said, someone just needs to be the bad guy here. If you are a fan of any one particular artist, then you would know what is relevant and what is not regarding them. I don't. So I cannot write every single one of those Kpop articles out there. Not every edit of mine is perfect. Not every grammar of mine is perfect either. But when I edit Wikipedia, I do try to pin-point what information is relevant and what is not.

Don't we all just love Wikipedia and try to make it better?

Sorry for my long-winded post. And thanks so much for reading.--TerryAlex (talk) 19:57, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

why
why did you delete my edit on meow mix. it was not disruptive.
 * But that is not their slogan.--TerryAlex (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

K-pop chart references
I read your discussion with Drmies where you said you were frustrated with the broken links. Gaon Chart redesigned their website in June/July of this year, so all references to their charts became broken links at that time. They also changed the charts so they all rank the top 100. Before, the digital, streaming, download, and karaoke charts ranked the top 200. The top 200 can now only be accessed via sites like archive.org and not every chart was archived. Also, Billboard put most of the K-pop Hot 100 behind a paywall sometime in the last few months. All of this makes it hard to verify chart positions. --Random86 (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Random86 Well that is why whenever I reference a Gaon chart link now, I archive it first and post the archived link on here, just in case the links become broken in the future. If you go to a lot of album articles, those links are all broken now.--TerryAlex (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Random86 And like you said, that is the problem, you basically cannot verify it anymore, because nobody really want to go back to fix them. They will probably stay like that indefinitely.--TerryAlex (talk) 02:53, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * Rockysmile11, Thanks you for the reminder, I was just cleaning up the article, and forgot to add an edit summary, will do next time :).--TerryAlex (talk) 20:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Happy editing! Rockysmile11 (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Music Video appearances
You've started removing music video appearances from the filmography of artists, so I checked other articles to see if they should be included or not. For example, Daniel Radcliffe and Jake Gyllenhaal's music video appearances are included in their filmography. Several other actors' pages I've come across also have them. I haven't seen Wikipedia's policy regarding music video appearances so I'm not entirely sure myself. Your thoughts? Should they be removed as well? Lone direwolf  08:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lonedirewolf, are you asking me if we should remove that section on those two pages buddy? my question to you is: how important do you really think those music video appearances would have on those artists' career? Including them is fine if you have some justification for it, but the problem with Kpop articles right now is it's lacking so much "real substance", instead of focusing on someone's singing or acting career, all I'm seeing right now is just huge lists without any meanings. That is why I started scraping them off. For Girls' Generation members, as you have seen me removed them, I don't see how the removal would take away anything important regarding their career accomplishments at this point. Their articles just need a lot of "other" improvements, I want to rewrite those articles in a timeline format to be honest (like Taeyeon's), but before then, we need to improve them first. :)--TerryAlex (talk) 15:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, by removing those, it means you also disagree with the sections in those pages, isn't it? Mind you, I'm not adamant on getting those sections back but for one thing to be in one article and not in others because they lack other content? Is that what I'm getting here or I'm getting confused? To add, I think it all just seems ridiculous to some because the parts of their career history (the one that matters to you, singing/acting) are poorly written or aren't written at all. Looking at it as a whole, it would look ridiculous, but I think improvements in their career history is what's needed. Personally I do believe they should be included in a person's filmography/videography and I believe I've read a discussion about this with you on another user's talk page. It also has a use for me, but if you still think they should be removed then alright, I'm just giving my opinion like the other two users. Lone  direwolf  03:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Lonedirewolf, Well buddy, I'm not gonna go through another long discussion again because I'm just tired of it. When I took that section out, I stated very clearly that anyone can revert it back. You can't blame me entirely though because some other editors took that MV section out even before I did, I was not the one that deleted them for all 9 SNSD members' articles. All I can say now is I wish we all can see the big picture here and stop "fighting" over trivial things like this [Yes, I know that you will argue otherwise]. Only when we can see the true underlying problem regarding these Kpop articles and start solving it, then will they ever get a chance to be improved. At this rate, I don't see how these articles can ever be better. I thought Drmies's comment on A Pink's article is already such a "hard slap in the face", but see, that discussion couldn't even just end there yet. Anyways, at the end of the day, I know both you and I mean well, so it's okay if you find me ridiculous. Just remember this, I never intended to "own" any articles. You and I as well as Random86 have been in a lot of discussion lately, so thank you so much for that. Happy editing, buddy and Merry Christmas! :D

Dr.K., it's tough, Doc. I'm giving you back your job!

And Drmies, if you are reading this, thanks for reading!

--TerryAlex (talk) 05:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not blaming you nor do I think you're ridiculous, I said the articles would look ridiculous to some because of their current state at the moment, because most are just lists and their career sections are poorly/not written. I won't bother you about it again, I know I already gave up on that A Pink discussion but you on the other hand are probably exhausted. I might put it back someday or maybe just create an 'Other work' section if I see a need to. Happy Holidays to you as well. Lone direwolf  05:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Lonedirewolf, Hey buddy, just want to say this. It is really time that we gotta rethink what the word "encyclopedia" really means. If we really think every single piece of endorsement deal, every single music video appearance, every teaser news is important, then these K-pop articles will become just "junks" down the line (honestly they are already now). I won't say it anymore. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!--TerryAlex (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Help with AFD?
Hello~ I nominated several pages for deletion, but I can't seem to get them added here Articles for deletion/Log/2014 December 20. When I used the required template, it adds the text of what I wrote on the article's AFD page, but doesn't add a title and the various links I see for other items on the afd list, nor does it add anything to the table of contents box. Any clue what I'm doing wrong? Shinyang-i (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, Show me the pages that you nominated?--TerryAlex (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * List of We Got Married (Khuntoria) episodes
 * We Got Married (Khuntoria) (Season 2)
 * We Got Married (Khuntoria) (Season 3)
 * List of We Got Married (YongSeo) episodes
 * Taeun
 * Shinyang-i (talk) 22:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, one down, 4 more to go--TerryAlex (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks - wish I knew what I did wrong! Seems like the instruction page leaves some things out. :D Shinyang-i (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, Done, you know for that article Taeun, they look so much in love that I had to chuckle. When you find out more articles or if there is anything else that I can help, message me, buddy!--TerryAlex (talk) 23:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ack, I forgot one! List of We Got Married (Taeun) episodes  That should wipe out all the excess WGM articles.  The WGM navigation box should be revisited once the deletions go through.  Thank you so much! Shinyang-i (talk) 23:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Done--TerryAlex (talk) 23:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * Stefan2, please delete the file, it is no longer in use. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Bad Introduction
I would just like to say I'm sorry we got off on a bad introduction. I know you meant well with the sweeping edits K-pop pages, and yes, I was a little protective of the 2PM pages (I wrote 2 of them). I do see that the K-pop pages in general are out of hand. User:Shinyang-i invited me to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture. I hope we can work together there. Mikepellerin talk 06:03, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Mikepellerin, It's okay buddy, I hope you see my good intention now.--TerryAlex (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014
Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Willy Loman, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Dear, I think you messaged the wrong editor.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:17, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Is any cheese content sourced? I have removed it all.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:46, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, you misunderstood it, I merely only reverted an edit that seemed to be vandalism (using Stiki). I have no knowledge regarding that article's content. Thanks for pointing that out though, will pay more attention next time.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

K-Pop DOB and Individual member page
Hi, Do you know about the DOB thing on Apink page that was reverted? I was gonna asked Random86 but notice the s/he on holiday notice. I read the talk discussion but still don't get where is the problem? Is it the source or notability? If it's the source, just like random86 mention based on WP:DOB it's allowed. If it based on "nowhere in Wikipedia" do lists of members list dates of birth. This is untrue since many of kpop group have this with agency website as source.

Beside the DOB thing, there are also the deletion request for Apink member individual pages. I've noticed that you and some other editors have try to do clean up mission for kpop article and i appreciate it. Are these action part of that the cleanup mission? Because there isn't any link to any prior talk page. I asked drmies but s/he haven't answered my question. It's kinda confusing because these two issues only raised on Apink page. --Sonflower0210 (talk) 00:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sonflower0210, Regarding the article deletion, I don't keep track with A Pink's individual activities. I don't know anything about them tbh, so I cannot comment on that. Regarding DOB, we are still unsure about what to do. The member table does look redundant though (at least for those artists that do have their own articles).--TerryAlex (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thank you, since some other group have and some don't so it's kinda confusing. I hope you guys will be successful in your project for improving kpop section. Has any new standard/rules been decided yet? Beside that, any update on apink issues? I've noticed that crayon pop issues already removed because our discussion but Apink issues haven't. Last I talked to Random86, s/he said it was still being discussed on user talk page but it almost finished. Any update on that? Can we removed them now?--Sonflower0210 (talk) 11:28, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

deletion/List of Girls' Generation endorsements
I'm not agree with this. I don't know how you view this but many people see this list as achievement of artists. But if you gonna delete, you at least better add individual endorsement into each member's own wiki page. I know you work hard to try to improve Girls' Generation's group and members pages but the way you edit info out, it almost has nothing left anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usaku (talk • contribs) 02:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Gee
Please unmerge the article yourself and start a proper discussion on the talk page. I personally very strongly object to the merger cause the song is more notable than the EP. The readers will come to Wikipedia for the song. --Moscow Connection (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

We Got Married redux
Someone resurrected those 'We Got Married' couples-by-season and couples episodes listing articles. It appears there were insufficient comments to warrant deletions. So, if you're interested... ^_^
 * Articles for deletion/List of We Got Married (Taeun) episodes‎
 * Articles for deletion/List of We Got Married (YongSeo) episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of We Got Married (Khuntoria) episodes‎
 * Articles for deletion/We Got Married (Khuntoria) (Season 3)‎
 * Articles for deletion/We Got Married (Khuntoria) (Season 2) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shinyang-i (talk • contribs) 21:54, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

test/vandalism?
Hello TerryAlex,

First of all, I'd like to wish you a (late) Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in advance. I saw you removed some of my contributions to the Khokhar page as you described my contributions as 'test/vandalism'. May I ask why you see these as testing edits or vandalism? When I started my account yesterday, Wikipedia asked me if I'd like to edit this page in order to make it better, since the creator of the page noted that it needed a check and maybe some language modifications. So I read through the page and edited some sentences that didn't really made sence to me or that had a rather strange word order.

Is there a specific reason you removed my contributions? I think all I did was trying to improve the page since Wikipedia itself asked me to do so and I didn't change any of the content, just some sentence constructions.

Thank you for your help though, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Kind regards, Gerebernus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerebernus (talk • contribs) 10:15, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Dear Gerebernus, as I went through some articles yesterday, I have reverted your edits by mistake. I apologize for it. Thank you so much for pointing it out. By the way, when you write a message, remember to sign your name after your message by clicking on that "pencil" icon. Since you are a new editor, I figure you had not known about this :). Welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry for the inconveniences.--TerryAlex (talk) 16:53, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear TerryAlex, thank you very much for you support, I appreciate it. As you already mentioned, I indeed didn't know about the pencil icon, I will think of it next time I post something. Best regards, Gerebernus--Gerebernus (talk) 13:00, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

False edit summary
Excuse me, but did why did you use a false edit summary? --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I did not intend to mislead anyone, should have been a bit more precise, but that section will still potentially be deleted (for every group). Btw, this is a clean-up effort for these K-pop articles.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:46, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Hackers
sorry, i am not very familiar with all of the ways to use Wikipedia (I need to learn!). But i don't understand your communication. i was the producer, along with Michael Peyser, and i was simply trying to make the page correct. i was quoted in the NY Times recently, credited as the Producer of Hackers, and i just thought this should all be consistent.

At any rate, thank you for writing.

Ralph ˜˜˜˜ — Preceding unsigned comment added by RWinter195 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * RWinter195, If you look at the infobox for this revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hackers_(film)&oldid=640117880 the words got messed up, so that was why I reverted your edit. I helped you re-edit it. Look at the current revision and see if that is how you want it :).--TerryAlex (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! There are a bunch of kpop-related AFDs that have been listed in the last few days. Take a look! ^_^ WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Korea Shinyang-i (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh hi, you're around
Hey, I left a couple of messages on Drmies' talk page, at the bottom. Maybe you know something about how to handle those topics - care to take a look? My brain really hurts at this point, cannot think well. LOL Shinyang-i (talk) 06:52, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, Your arguments were well-written, buddy.--TerryAlex (talk) 06:55, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, thanks. I just want it to go away.  I actually hate arguing. Sigh.  Anyhoo, do you have any ideas how to handle those two situations I mentioned at the bottom of Drmies' page? Shinyang-i (talk) 07:01, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, for the first one, I think the article title is supposed to be "List of trainees for the No. MERCY variety show" (similar to "List of Got7 members" article). Seriously, I went through the article, such a waste of space. I think both pages might be legible for a speedy deletion Criteria for speedy deletion, especially the 2nd one, since it is "Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion". The first one looks like a fan page, advertising fluff.--TerryAlex (talk) 07:14, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Big thanks for your message last night. I suddenly got really overwhelmed by all of the negativity. I actually really dislike conflict, heh, and I'm a passionate person. And it all came bubbling out all over the place. :P I don't know if I'm just an oddball or something, but some behavior I see is just so bizarre to me that it really catches me off guard. I just can't imagine being as vindictive and negative as some editors seem to be. Anyway, thanks again - I'll try to keep the whining to a minimum, heh. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

The sources debate
Hey there. I'm pretty frustrated with this whole sources debate, as it seems that people are on too many different pages. I just wanted to make sure you didn't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating throwing away all sources because they all suck. Am I just really, really horrible at communicating? Because so many of the responses to anything I say totally misrepresent me and only one person seems to get the idea that we should look at sites individually to see if they're appropriate, and the non-negotiability of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to establish notability. Has anyone looked at any of the sites currently on the list but me? I just don't get where the never-ending misunderstandings (not to mention a lot of anger - not from you) keep coming from. I don't get it. Aaaaggghhhh! ^^ Shinyang-i (talk) 07:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, No, you misunderstood it too, I didn't argue anything against your statement. I mentioned 3family6's instead and re-stated my position because I think it sounded more parallel to what I said earlier (which I worded differently). What I said was reasonable right? I mean, maybe I did not make myself clear enough, but "I agree with you that these sources can be unreliable, but for typical certain things, we can still reference them." That's all that I said :) --TerryAlex (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i, also, the reason why I restated it is because I want the other editors to see the whole picture clearer. I mean I wish Kpop has more reliable sources in both English and Korean, but because we don't, and for certain information (when there is no alternative source for it), if we can't use those sources either, then I feel like we "might" not be able to include all the info that we want to elaborate. That is why I argue that some sources can still be used despite them being unreliable; however, like I said, it still has to be judged case by case. I just happened to put my comment after yours, so you might feel like I was agaisnt something you said, but be sure that I was not. Am I making sense? You have all the right to say that I was incorrect :) Anyways, now that we have Kpopherald, that website can be pretty useful from now on?--TerryAlex (talk) 09:10, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh no, no, I get everything you're saying and I agree. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being misunderstood, that's all.  My "am I just really really bad at communicating" thing wasn't so much aimed at you as in reaction to how hard it seems to be to communicate with many other people.  I guess everyone really comes from different walks of life. This experience is definitely a lesson in that. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Peter Hunt (literary critic)
thanks, I will use the sandbox in future. It is just that I was so pleased to see some input on Peter. Please accept my apologies, no insults intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.92.207 (talk) 11:11, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Clifford, West Yorkshire
Yes, thank you, I was returning to undo as I was indeed experimenting. No offence intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikionmahmarb (talk • contribs) 08:07, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Wassup
I left an incomplete sentence on the Wassup article? No! Say it isn't so! Thanks for the fix. My brain was mush after reading just that much crap. I don't get it, they're a total flop. You have to work HARD to be that unsuccessful in the world of kpop. Why oh why do we have a Wikipedia article for them? I find myself just getting so irritated by the preponderance of articles that shouldn't even exist in the first place and there's more being pumped out every day. Gyah, I'm just so sick of Wikipedia being used as a marketing machine for stuff. Like those filthy rich bastards at SM and the like don't have enough money to pay for publicity.

Okay, anyway, I came to actually talk. The WP Korea page is useless at this point. Too many long discussions that wound up being more about peripheral issues and reached no conclusion. I felt like I was the only one starting discussion so people just stopped listening or whatever. Plus a certain few seemed to be there mainly to derail discussion and get it off track as much as possible. Anyway. So first, what do you think of the music reviews issue I wrote about on the WP Korea page? No one responded except that one editor who follows me around and screams that I hate Korea or whatever. I think I'm just gonna remove all record reviews from allkpop & company because they do violate WP:ALBUM/SOURCE as none of them are remotely professional (they don't even have real names) and none are reliable sources. A lot of them are random "brand new kpop blog of the week that pretends to be something real" junk. That leaves precious few sources for reviews (Billboard does kpop occasionally) because, regardless of what that ill-informed person said, there are no real reviews in Korea. Reviews on vendor sites (which do exist) are disqualified from inclusion on Wikipedia (they have a vested interest in saying it's good, so you'll buy it). Second, I notice that as editors try to replace their allkpop & co. sources on articles they are linking to the original Korean article from which allkpop translated. But precious few can read those articles to verify that what's said in the source matches what's said in the article or to get more info. So the sources need to be formatted as the Korean source first with link, then "translated by" and the English source and link, or something like that. Dunno how to do that. Third, I'm still not happy with the RS list on WP Korea because all of those "kpop news in English" from "professional" sources do exactly what allkpop does - they just translate stuff other people print. There is still no way to find out where they got the info from or evaluate it as a reliable source. Since they are kpop-specialized sources with a vested interest in promoting kpop, they likely print anything, regardless of how trivial or stupid it may be. In other words, they are exactly like allkpop except they happen to be located in Korea. How is that better? Okay, rant over. Shinyang-i (talk) 07:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , Allkpop and Soompi's reviews definitely need to be removed. They are all original research.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:50, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Michel Sabbah
Thanks, I had no bad intentions on putting Michal′s motto. Sorry if it caused any problem, so I will learn how to use the sandbox. The motto is extracted from this Michael Francis McCarthy drawing seen on this PDF (page 8): Thank you again --Collona 17:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello
Hi terry...ok im so scared T___T all i did is come to wikipedia because i wanted to edit a little mistake for my most beloved boyband called Exo...i asked shinyang-i for help because i thought she was profession and cool and non biased but then this person sends me this link about you and Shinyang being bad people and hating korea and kpop...and ohh im just so confused and sad :( All i did is come to wikipedia because i didnt want Exo article to say "Chinese-South korean" because theres more korean members and its unfair...thats all i wanted. i diddnt want to be biased at all...im new here and dont know who to go to for help..and i dont know who i should ask for help :( I dont know who is evil or who is nice on here....that person sent me the link about you and shinyang's true personality and view on kpop and now i dont know who to trust...i want to trust you guys but Im just so hopeless...I hope you guys dont hate korea or kpop....What shinyang-i said about wassup being a flop and "sm filthy rich bastards" made me kinda sad cuz i love SM (exo's company)...and i trused her as a good editor who can help me...it seems you two are friends...Btw how did you find my page? O__O Mayramussarrat12345 (talk) 01:35, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear, I know you meant well so don't be scared :). Just so you know, I am fully aware of that website, but my usual personal preference is to ignore such non-sense accusation like that. Nobody is hating on Kpop at all. In contrast, we desperately need to improve on them. It's a long story, so I don't know what exactly to tell you now, but if you have time, check out this Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and this User talk:Shinyang-i/Archive 1. They are pretty long discussions, but I hope they give you an idea on what we are trying to do. I (and other editors) don't always make the perfect edits, but be sure that we always have the good intention to improve on them. BTW, I'm fully aware of your concern regarding the boy band's nationality issue, too. I don't actually have an opinion on it though, maybe you can try to rewrite it somehow that would emphasize that the group is "dual-nationality" and a K-pop (not a C-pop).
 * Remember this, Wikipedia is a "society" with many editors, many admins are watching the behaviors that we do on Wikipedia, so if I'm (or any other editors) truly that "evil", then I would have been banned a long time ago (unlike the editor that sent you that website link). BTW, be sure to post your message at the end of the page next time, the messages are supposed to go in chronological order. Thanks so much buddy.--TerryAlex (talk) 23:22, 15 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Dear @TerryAlex Ohhh ok :) Thank you for the clarification :) That troll really got to me haha but i know you two have good intentions now :) About the boyband issue, haha you know about it too? >.< Ok well, instead of naming it "Chinese-South korean boyband" or "South korean-Chinese boyband", i was thinking of changing it to "Exo is a K-pop boy band based in Seoul, South korea" becuase its true...they are kpop...they are based in korea...and it mentions no nationality or ethnicity order so people cant fight about that!!! :D But shinyang-i told me not to make any more edits until a consensus has been reached and i dont want to cause her trouble again and if i dont listen to her, she might get mad at me again >.< So i dont know if i should make that edit...What do you think? :)Mayramussarrat12345 (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Rev-dels
Sorry, I didn't look at that email account for a couple of days, but it seems that Materialscientist has sorted it out. JohnCD (talk) 11:45, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Moonaimi
Thank you for your advise. but before I wrote this I'm also compare with other article who has similarity. look at this one Red Velvet (band)Moonaimi (talk) 21:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it is a long story. Let me start though, by emphasizing that we don't have anything against K-pop nor do we try to own these articles at all. But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fanpage. The majority of K-pop articles have been plagued with so many unnecessary/unencyclopedic details for a very long time. It is not a correct practice to input every single trivial thing on here.  Just because something has been done in a long time does not make it the right practice. These K-pop articles are so out-of-hand and just need a good cleanup. If you look at any biography articles outside of K-pop, no such lists as "Endorsements" exists. List of endorsements violates WP:PROMO and definitely needs not to be on Wikipedia. If there is anything important or notable, let's say "his endorsement deal was worth $1 million" (though I'm sure we hardly can ever find such information for K-pop artists) you can put it in prose. Beyonce has a paragraph talking about her endorsement, Yoona has one too, but because there are notable information about it, after I reverted so many times, other editors finally wrote up a pagragraph for Yoona; for her, it's because she is known as one of the CFs queen so it is relevant regarding her career. The same goes for long list of guest variety shows/radio appearances. There is no point in listing out every single guest appearances for the K-pop artists. They appear in these shows a hundred times per year.
 * If you have time, visit this Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and this User talk:Shinyang-i/Archive 1. Hopefully, you will get an idea of what we are trying to do. :) I actually have not been a lot of help lately compare to a few other users, but I do keep a list of articles on my watch list and "Zhou Mi" is one of them. I hope you can improve his article is any other way :)--TerryAlex (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One more thing before I forget. We have to be realistic about it too. Even if such lists do exist for a couple of Western celebrities out there (although we still have to question its encyclopedic values), it still makes more sense. Why? Because in term of monetary values, one of their endorsement deal is probably worth about 100 times compared to our K-pop counterpart. As much as we love our favorite K-pop idols, they don't have that kind of global-scale influences. When you see their endorsement list longer than The Beatles's, for example, then there is already something wrong. And I'm sure such lists would still be backed up with many reliable sources, unlike the kind of un-referenced lists that I see across multiple K-pop articles--TerryAlex (talk) 03:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

you're about to hit...
...3RR on that FNC Entertainment article. I can revert for a bit too. Shinyang-i (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

It's now semi-protected. Shinyang-i (talk) 17:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Idar-Oberstein
Hi, I don't know how to leave you a message. Anyway, I don't know what's wrong with what I did. I only specified that Bruce Willis was born there ((Idar-Oberstein), which is the truth. He doesn't live there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.29.241.128 (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear anon IP, it seems like everyone in that list was born at this place, so there is no need to indicate that he was born there.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

please change the decendents of karlal tribe from gujjar to alexender the great.
some one from rival tribe edited karlal tribe decendents may be due to jealousy or personal hattered, kindly check your finding we have no links with Gujjars.

thank you

link is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlal

and if you need refrences i can provide you about Karlal tribe:

http://karlal-tribe.blogspot.com/p/history.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/60518963/Hazara-Sardars#scribd — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardarjunaidjamshaid (talk • contribs) 09:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you need, please re-add the content with proper source. BTW, that blogspot is not a reliable source. Thank you. :)--TerryAlex (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Who is that?
I'm here to clarify that I did not make any edits on the Anne Bradford page. In fact, I have no idea whoever that is. 153.172.24.60 (talk) 05:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

K-pop
Explain your reasoning for removing the kpop group table off of Mamamoo's page, because from what I'm seeing there is no valid reason. It is by far a more resourceful way of listing group members, rather than writing it briefly in prose. Do you and your "friends" not realize that the Korean Pop Industry is not a like with other music industries? Korean Pop is much more fan oriented than other industries in a way. Specific information is cherished among newer kpop fans. That IS the purpose of a table. Birthday and positions are actually important. They are not meaningless and you would definitely know this if you had a great understanding of Kpop. Silvermoonlight14 (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2015 (UTC) −
 * This might help you understand: Talk:Girls' Generation and Talk:U-KISS. --Random86 (talk) 02:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

--


 * "Drmies thinks "four different spellings" (birth and stage names, in Hangul and romanization) is too much, and he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can't trust the entertainment companies (the source of this information). There isn't a single place on Wikipedia where such lists have anything but name and instrument. At best you find a range of dates for when they were in a band. You never find birthdates..."


 * So basically you guys want every to comply to your standards? Yet again, I see many of you comparing Kpop to Western pop groups. Wikipedia is a free editing space for everyone. If fans want to include birth dates and positions and such then so be it. It should not be up to a small group of users to decide what and what does not go.


 * "he thinks birth dates are irrelevant and unreliably sourced because you can't trust the entertainment companies (the source of this information)"


 * Give me an example. I have never seen such a thing. Only weights and height are infamously unreliable in kpop.


 * Not every member of a specific group is notable enough to have their own page. Therefore basic things such as birthdates, hangeul, romanization, and basic group positions should be listed in a table. --Silvermoonlight14 (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have an issue with it, please discuss it with, we have gone through long discussion and there is not much else we can do. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Terry, it's better to direct the editor to that Korea project page. This is not my dictum--these are by-now agreed on guidelines, not my own rules or something like that. Silvermoonlight, the fans don't get to decide what's in or what's not--if that's what you want, start a page on Wikia. I know what the fans want, and it's not always OK. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Also,, you are a remarkable quick learner! This edit, with its intricate wiki syntax of tables, citation templates, bulleting, and headers--amazing. This one is even better, considering that it was only your third edit ever--at least under this account. Drmies (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * , I don't think the birthdates/table thing was ever discussed on WikiProject Korea. Some editors are obviously under the impression that the "no birthdates in group articles" rule is your personal dictum since there isn't anything else we can point them to. After the A Pink AFDs I merged some highlights to the group's article. Someone else added the birthdates, but other than that, what do you think? We have been thinking this is the way to go; it also could discourage creating articles for non-notables. Also, I have seen articles like List of One Direction members so it is sort of similar. --Random86 (talk) 19:25, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Random86, this was discussed somewhere. Whether it was a "formal" discussion leading to a proper guideline, I don't know. Maybe can find it. But there is something else to point to, and that is the double-pronged tool of common sense and the BLP. Basically, no unverified (or improperly verified) BLP info, and no needless chatter. Drmies (talk) 19:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Drmies, getting off topic aren't we? I have had other Wiki account accounts before. There was also a Mamamoo page prototype that was created by me and a friend. We did not want to publish the article until we had enough sources and such. Unfortunately, someone else beat us to publishing it (though it was pretty incomplete). So I asked the new creator if it would be okay to copy some codings from our already mostly done prototype to fill up empty spaces in the new article. Not really sure why this is of your concern. Back on topic...I have read all of the Korea Project discussions. Actually I'm sure most of the international kpop community has. Everyone is under the impression that it is on your ruling that these many sections and pages are being deleted. I have asked for reasons on why certain things should not be added, yet I am left with the old "it's common sense" excuse.Silvermoonlight14 (talk) 21:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think we are--at least I'm not. This is my concern since I like Wikipedia to look different than a fan site. Perhaps you can read Sock puppetry as well, after you're done with the COI page. "It's common sense" is hardly an excuse, by the way. That K-pop ought to be special somehow from other articles, that's an old excuse. Drmies (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Shinyang-i is tired of looking for stuff and fighting with people who think kpop is soooo different from and more special than the rest of the world. It's practically identical to the world of Jpop idols (most of whom have horribly-written articles) and not so different from much of the world of European boybands & girlgroups.  Get out in the world and get some life experience, and you'll realize kpop is just one part of the world.  And as Drmies said, fans don't get to decide how Wikipedia is run.  I find it so very hilarious when individual fans, or even a little group of friends, think they speak for or even have a clue what's in the minds of "most international fans".  Your little clique is not "most fans" and the postings of a few people on message boards or where-ever are not "most fans".  Bud, I've been around kpop since long before all these kids rushed into it 2009 & after.  You nor I know or can speak for most kpop fans, because kpop fans are way more diverse than the kids that hang out on Allkpop's message boards.  Anyway that issue aside, as Drmies has tried to explain to you, kpop is just another thing in the world, not so different or special as you seem to think, and Wikipedia articles on kpop artists should be written the way Wikipedia articles are written, not like the agency's publicity page.  The idea is that each article should be constantly working toward "Good Article" status, and such status won't include a superficial listing of members in tables.  You say the members are so important, but you don't even want to talk about them, you just toss them in a table.  To see the only examples I know of in kpop that have attained GA status, check out Big Bang (South Korean band) and G-Dragon.  Your article should strive to be like those; if that's not what you want for an article, then you should create it elsewhere. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

RE: Shannon Leto edit. User:DramaSchoolGeek
But you have to admit. It was bloody hil-a-rious. Am I right? Or am I right?

Best Friends Forever (TV series)
Hi go to http://petprojectinc.org/resources/ and also I have sock puppet accounts my ip is 50.82.40.187! CoryMach2 (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Please add proper information next time, thank you!--TerryAlex (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Catskill Mountains
Don't remove a true line just because it's something that doesn't help Lena's reputation I will redo what I had done to the photo Becuase its to small and people with sight problems may not see it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1303wesley (talk • contribs) 23:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC) ==

Gaon chart
Looks like Gaon Chart changed their website again, and all non-archived links to it are dead links once again. I guess I'll be adding archived links from now on like you were doing. :( --Random86 (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I also archived Billboard links too (and other links within an article), just in case something goes wrong.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello! I've been merging songs into albums & EPs and also noticed the dead Gaon links.  A lot of Oricon links are dead, too, as apparently Oricon decided to slam shut their archives pre-2005 and make users pay for access.  They won't be coming back, either, so who knows what's gonna happen.  As I was thinking of archiving chart links, I was thinking that the exact same chart probably gets archived repeatedly by different editors.  I wonder if we could build a link directory of stuff as we archive (or find stuff archived) to cut down at least a tad on that and to help editors find stuff we need.


 * Side note, do either of you know of an easy way to cite archived links? What I mean by that is a little tool like the one built-in to the editing window for "cite web", "cite book", etc. Shinyang-i (talk) 03:55, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I archive gaon links using archive.org, but I use webcitation.org for oricon links instead. When I want to archive a link, I check on these websites first to see whether that specific link that I need has been archived there before.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You've had more luck then me, then. I guess it's not too hard for recent Gaon stuff but trying to look up older charts (RIAK and such) is really hit and miss because you have to know the exact URL; the main URL is no help at all.  I'm making myself a table because I'm going nuts.  It also seems to be really hit and miss to find old Gaon yearly & monthly charts archived.  Any ideas? Shinyang-i (talk) 05:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to cite archived links (IMO) is to use the ref toolbar like you mentioned. If you click "show/hide extra fields" you will see the fields for archive url and date. I've only used archive links from archive.org. If there is an existing citation, you can just add archiveurl and archivedate fields to the citation. I also noticed Gaon removed all album sales numbers for some reason, so I might make a link directory for the archived monthly album charts. I never tried to look for pre-Gaon charts, but it sounds hard. --Random86 (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hot damn, you rock. Gonna use that tool like a MF.  And yeah, I noticed all the numbers are gone, except for the previous year's top albums.  An archive of links for that would be excellent. Shinyang-i (talk) 05:57, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

The reason why I use webcitation for oricon is because archive.org never saves these links properly for some reasons. When you click on the archived link, it ends up to a different page instead of the chart ranking.

I think Gaon charts are all there at the moment (2010-present), but when they change the website, then good luck on going back to replace all of those links (:p). It's harder to find Oricon charts in my opinion, the links are hard to find, and the total amount of sales is only available for only a couple of days, after that they no longer show that amount, so either you have to archive on the same day the chart is out, or that sales amount is completely lost (unless you can find the year-end chart).

Gaon just removed the total album sales? Well, but I got the year end 2014 link here https://web.archive.org/web/20150114120032/http://gaonchart.co.kr/chart/album.php?f_chart_kind_cd=T&nationGbn=&f_month=3&f_year=2014&f_type=year Let me try to find previous years. TerryAlex (talk) 06:07, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * 2013 https://web.archive.org/web/20141006113650/http://gaonchart.co.kr/chart/album.php?f_chart_kind_cd=T&nationGbn=&f_month=3&f_year=2013&f_type=year


 * 2012 https://web.archive.org/web/20141006120956/http://gaonchart.co.kr/chart/album.php?f_chart_kind_cd=T&nationGbn=&f_month=3&f_year=2012&f_type=year


 * 2011 https://web.archive.org/web/20141006105032/http://gaonchart.co.kr/chart/album.php?f_chart_kind_cd=T&nationGbn=&f_month=3&f_year=2011&f_type=year

--TerryAlex (talk) 06:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I started a link directory in User:Random86/sandbox2. --Random86 (talk) 06:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * If I see weekly links, I'll tell you.--TerryAlex (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, I was able to get archived album charts for each month in 2011-2014. When I got into 2010, the numbers are weird, which is something I noticed before. It's like the numbers are three digits off or something. Sales are only reported monthly (and year-end), so we don't need weekly chart archives, right? --Random86 (talk) 09:14, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The weekly charts always show up in those album articles though, so from now, if you update chart, archive it as well, so it's easier to verify the numbers down the line.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Beautiful, guys! We must have been thinking alike because earlier I started linking the old RIAK album charts from way back in the day.  Only two years are done so far but if you ever dive into some older articles feel free to make use of them at User:Shinyang-i/sandbox2.  If we get these nice and tidy-looking maybe they can be a page at WP Korea.  Shinyang-i (talk) 12:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Slater
Not sure if this is the right way to respond. RE Matthew Slater's marriage. Not sure what references you want. A marriage license? I was at the wedding. I know the couple. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportfane (talk • contribs) 08:42, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to cite a reliable source: from a news/magazine article, for example.--TerryAlex (talk) 08:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

FYI, other wives are mentioned without references. Check out for example wiki pages of Dan Conolly, Kyle Arrrington, and Vince Wilfork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportfane (talk • contribs) 09:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The correct practice on Wikipedia is to always add a reliable source. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 09:42, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

List of South Korea idol group
I think this extreme scale-down of the pages lost a lot of valuable information. For example now we have no clue which bands are still active and which ones have disbanded. I was looking to get some stats and it's all gone. All three lists became utterly useless. Teemeah 편지 (letter)  13:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Discographies
I'm working on some discographies and have been looking at the Girls Generation one (a FL). I saw your name on the editors' list (a little bit) and was wondering if you know much about the formatting and, well, other stuff. I could use some guidance, as some of the citations are very complex, and there is precious little info at WP Discographies. Holler at me if you're going to be on for awhile and we can do some back-and-forth chatting, or point me to someone else if you prefer. :) Shinyang-i (talk) 23:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * , what specific formatting are you looking for?--TerryAlex (talk) 23:32, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, well for starters, you know how there is no direct link to all of an artist's chart placements on Gaon, plus a lot of chart placements come from the RIAK (2008 & before). On the GG discog, since there is no single link, the column that lists all the Korean chart placements has a very complex link table pop up when you mouse over the reference for that column.  (Gaon only, none for RIAK, so I dunno where they got the older data).  Is that kind of thing necessary?  Even looking at the code for the table itself, it looks unbelievably hard to understand or edit.  Do you know if something that fancy is needed?  Because whoa.  If not, what link is supposed to be used for Gaon (or RIAK, or any other non-centralized charting website)?  I figured we had to link directly to the chart placement for each claim and was surprised to see such generalized links being used.  I guess that's my main question for now. Thanks!! :) Shinyang-i (talk) 23:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually somewhat understand the code. It's a bit complicated, but if you look at it hard enough, it actually makes sense. Is there a specific Gaon link that you want to use? BTW, all the Gaon links in that GG's Discography page are dead links :)--TerryAlex (talk) 00:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

, I changed the Live Album for Hyesung to the same format as the GG's Discography (as a demonstration)

--TerryAlex (talk) 01:03, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh this is quite helpful,. I think I could probably get used to the coding like on GG but it really threw me for a loop at first. I was totally confused ha ha. Another question for you: since the discographies I'm working on span two different charting systems (RIAK and Gaon), do you think I should split each chart into its own column, the way it's typically done for Gaon & Billboard Kpop Hot 100? Obviously those latter two overlap temporally whereas RIAK and Gaon do not. But what do you think? I know GG debuted around the very end of RIAK so I think a few of their works probably were measured by that instead of Gaon, but I didn't see it delineated, only the Gaon.

One more question, if I may. I'm not good at determining whether a discog needs its own article based on article size. Shin Hyesung and Lee Minwoo were pretty obvious so I created those, but do you mind checking the following articles and giving me your opinion of whether their discog sections should be split? (Keep in mind the prose in their articles will eventually grow....once I get working on them...though I may be gray-haired by then...) Kim Dong-wan, Jun Jin, Andy Lee (South Korean singer). I'm also going to improve Shinhwa's discog too...little by little. I have no idea what to do about a discog for Eric Mun, as he has no solo material per se, but has tons and tons of songs on which he was featured. Wish there were more Korean discogs that were FLs...maybe I will scour the FL list some more.

Shinhwa's new music video and TV performances have just come out, along with their digital album. I'm so excited that my tummy is all butterflies lately. It makes me want to make all their articles better, but it's much more time consuming than I predicted. You notice the leads on the discog articles I created are puny and lame for now. Prose is hard work, as is even finding info. I feel like I'm in college again! :D Shinyang-i (talk) 02:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I think you should combine the two charts (Gaon and RIAK) together. For GG, there is a note that says RIAK info is unavailable. For the Discography, I think if it gets too large, a separate article would look nicer. But I'm not sure about that, I think Jonghyun recently got a separate discography article, but Bangtan Boys got theirs merged into the main article, so...
 * {| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="text-align:center;"

!scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:6em;"|Title ! scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:250px;"|Details !scope="col" colspan="2"|Peak chart positions ! scope="col" rowspan="2" style="width:140px;"|Tracklisting ! scope="col" style="width:3em;font-size:90%;"|KOR ! scope="col" style="width:3em;font-size:90%;"|JPN
 * style="text-align:center" |2012-2013 Shin Hye-sung Concert The Year's Journey
 * Released: August 30, 2013 (VDCD-6434)
 * Released Under: Liveworks
 * Sales: 10,000
 * 8 || 2
 * Sales: 10,000
 * 8 || 2


 * style="text-align:center" |Album 2
 * Released: August 30, 2014
 * Released Under: Liveworks
 * Sales: 10,000
 * 2 || 1
 * Sales: 10,000
 * 2 || 1

--TerryAlex (talk) 05:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * }


 * Girls' Generation's article claims chart placements for things released under the RIAK, so I don't know how they did that if they're saying RIAK is not available (which it is available in archives). But that's no big whoop.  I actually borrowed the note formatting and content from the GG discog for my own work, as the discogs I'm doing have releases during that 'dead time' in 2009.  I was so happy to finally find the formatting for notes; I'd searched everywhere it seems, ha ha.  I actually just separated Gaon & RIAK into two columns (easy to change back), because they are different sources, but in the end it doesn't matter because unless an elaborate format is done like on GG for the Korea column, every chart placement has to be sourced separately.  In your example above, the JPN column would have as its source the "Shin Hyesung" list from Oricon, but no such list exists for Gaon or for RIAK (I guess it used to but no longer) - you can't search by artist.  I don't know the best practice in this situation and GG's is the only Korean discog I found in the FLs. :|  I don't even know who to ask.  Guess I'll put the issue on a back burner for now. ^^


 * Regarding splitting the discogs into new articles, I know there is a quantitative way to figure it out on an article-by-article basis, but I've not done it myself. Now that I think about it, Random86 has been doing some of that (I think?) so perhaps I'll bug him/her.  I was mixed up and thinking it was you. :D  Jonghyun having a discog article makes zero sense to me, but hey it's kpop. LOL


 * Before you remove the woefully unsourced info on the various Shinhwa articles, would you consider sticking some of it on the talk pages or such? Stuff like that fashion show info for Jun Jin is difficult to re-find, but having the details would help in sourcing it for prose (I agree it doesn't belong where it was at).  I know it'd be in the page history but it's potentially hard to dig it out.  I feel no regrets about wiping out new info because it's easy to re-find but old stuff I really hesitate on unless there are BLP concerns.  I've been amazed how very hard it is to find older info.  I went through 350ish pages of articles on KBS' English site for Shinhwa stuff, because there is no search function on the site and search engines don't pick up a darn thing. @_@ I wish I had a clone of myself so I could get to all this more quickly.  On the other hand, I could copy all those articles to a bunch of sandboxes, but I don't know if that's permitted?  If I'm making no sense, please forgive me.  My allergies are killing me and I'm at least half zombie right now.


 * Many thanks, as always. "Thinking out loud" with you is really helpful to me :) Shinyang-i (talk) 06:26, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I made a Google Custom Search Engine that I use to find sources. I put in all the domains I want searched (e.g. english.chosun.com, billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town, koreatimes.co.kr), and it's very useful. You can also do custom searches on Google.com. For example, searching for "shinhwa site:world.kbs.co.kr/english" (without the quotation marks) would give you everything on Shinhwa from KBS World Radio's English site. You can also limit the results by date using Google's Search Tools. Random86 (talk) 07:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ho ho ho! Thanks R86, you are always the savior! :D It seems to me there are about 100k news links that I have to go through...hahaha. BTW, do you know if Hankooki has an English version?--TerryAlex (talk) 07:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There isn't an English version, but The Korea Times is part of the same newspaper group. Random86 (talk) 08:07, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Would you look at this?
I rewrote the lead on Shinhwa discography, something I've not done before. Will you read it over and tell me if it sounds okay? By looking at a few FL discographies, it looked like it wasn't necessary to provide a reference for a simple statement of "The album Blah Blah was released in 2005", so I didn't. Anyway, whenever you're not too busy I'd be thankful for a read-through. :) Thanks! Shinyang-i (talk) 01:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good summary to me :)--TerryAlex (talk) 06:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hyoyeon's header image
Hi, I understand there was a copyright violation on the picture I uploaded to Kim Hyoyeon's wiki page, but I wasn't sure how to go about verifying that! I assumed it was public domain as they had released it on their image site as well as social networking sites. Sorry for the trouble! -Angrydrummergirl (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, that picture is copyrighted to SM Entertainment, so it cannot be uploaded onto Wikipedia. If you happen to come across a fanpage where there is a small picture of a person (look at the guide here http://i.imgur.com/sHBRlgE.png), then the pictures on that page should be okay to be uploaded. If not, we are out of luck. GG has a lot of good fan pictures individually and as a group; but most of them are copyrighted, so they cannot be used.--TerryAlex (talk) 20:16, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response, ! Would it be inadvisable to use a picture from her Instagram or Weibo, then? -Angrydrummergirl (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, unfortunately.--TerryAlex (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

TVXQ
MugenDarkness here, regarding about the page TVXQ, i edit about the sales of record sold to date. I think you should edit it from 10 million to 14/15 millions. It was stated by Oricon and Gaon Chart during early 2012/2013 that TVXQ sales that period is about 12 millions already. Plus,TVXQ sold more than 1 million album in Japan alone during 2013 and another 1 million in Japan (2014) and around 400 hundreds thousand in Korea(2014) thus make it already more than 14 millions/around 15millions. I checked Wiki around october last year and it stated more than 14million sold to date. I checked it again in march this year and it come out 10 millions suddenly lol. Did wiki not update or just incorrect about the current situation? or what...by the way, the page said that TVXQ is one of the best selling Kpop act,NO! TVXQ is THE BEST SELLING KPOP ACT..so you better solves this matter soon..another method to solves is calculate it yourselves
 * Hi MugenDarkness, I reverted your edit because you did not provide a (new) source for it. Mwave only cited that the group has sold more than 10 million copies. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * it was offially reported by Oricon Gaon during early 2013 that their sales was more than 12 millions,it ranked 1st far from other Kpop artist. you must update the sales bcuz it would be ridiculous if Oricon or any others chart would update all Kpop group sales everytime (i mean they would not bother much about these things). Other groups got update so why dont TVXQ ? sound not fair to me. and their sales in Japan alone is around 9 millions maybe more so how can it possibly be 10 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 15:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Then please provide the Oricon/Gaon and any other sources when you update.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:43, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I dont know whether you ignorant or what but there are many proves on website and it even stated by oricon itselves, well then here are several proof that i found in short time that proves TVXQ sales is more than 10 million in 2012 (late)/(early)2013 and of course it would multiple over the years lol. another proves is you can just do a simple calculation about their sales yourselves

http://www.allkpop.com/forums/discussion/33852/list-and-ranking-of-total-album-sales-by-south-korean-idol-g

http://dongbangdata.net/2013/02/15/trans-130213-the-japanese-media-reports-tvxq-have-the-highest-worldwide-sales-amongst-k-pop-groups/

https://eternally5.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/info-list-and-ranking-of-total-album-sales-by-south-korean-idol-group-since-debut/

there are more proves coming if i want to list... — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 16:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please note that none on the list (Allkpop, Wordpress) that you gave me is considered to be a reliable source on Wikipedia. And let's be clear here, I'm not responsible for any of your edits. As I stated above, I reverted them because you did not provide a source to back up the changes. I have nothing against TVXQ.
 * Now, I briefly looked at the links you gave me. I think if you can find the Newsen or Japanese link to that Dongbangdata translation, maybe you can highlight the fact that they have "the highest worldwide sales". However, the translation does not seem to state anything about "15 million copies", so if you want to highlight that claim, then a Oricon/Gaon source would still be better. Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 16:52, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

i dont know if this will get offended but this situation is like someone said they didnt believe in wind bcuz they cant see it while wind speak through its act and you can feel it.

i will put a simple example here and facts...

oricon,japanese media and gaon report about kpop group total sales in 2012. TVXQ at that time is around 12millions and others artist such Kara is 4 million and Bigbang is around 2millions,my point is if you checked about BB sales now in their wiki it stated its around 2,700,000 which mean it got update. However oricon or gaon never release an official statement about this after 2012 same for other group,but no one claim it false or no valid source even though thats only fan made. The same goes TVXQ, the 15 million sold speak throught their sales. If its not bcuz of oricon reported in 2012,where did you think fans would know about other group sales? If its false for TVXQ than other group also false but thats not the case bcuz its true. Even a simple calculation from their album will surpass 10 million mark. What kind of source are you talking about? the those total sales for each album by all group was published by Gaon Oricon and MIAK themselves. What fans did just took all those numbers,add and combine it together to get the totalsl sales. All fans of other group do this and update it every 2 month at least. But i dont see you do the same to TVXQ page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 15:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Please read OR. Thanks--TerryAlex (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

by the way there was a proof to it ,it was released by newsen in early 2013,the content was published by many other websites but the real content is in Korean and a bit hard for me to find since i cant read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 15:32, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

then should not it apply the same for other group such as BB and Kara then? Since there is no valid source that stated about their 2,700,000 and 4,300,000 but why did their page allow that? it doesnt seem fair though.
 * Which articles are you talking about?--TerryAlex (talk) 15:39, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of number-one albums of 2011 (South Korea)/archive1
Would you mind leaving some comments? Thanks, HĐ (talk) 10:32, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

krystal jung's occupation, instruments
I was trying to add an information about her occupation and her instrument. as you knew, she isn't just an actress and singer. She also a dancer and model. She appears on SBS's figure-skating show Kiss & Cry Kim Yuna as an ice dancer. and can you see? She also appears (often) on magazine as a model. That's why i'm trying to write 'dancer' and 'singer' on her wikipedia. and i wanna tell you that actually she can plays a piano. She's playing it when she duet with her sister singing 'someday'.

and i want to add some information again about her instagram. as you knew that now she has an account in instagram ( her account: vousmevoyez).

So please do not change it anymore.

Please do not change it again Soojungfan (talk) 01:02, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * 1. Celebrities ought to appear in many magazine photoshoots and/or endorsements. This is a part of their job. That does not make them become a model.
 * 2. Krystal is not an (ice) dancer. She was only a contestant for that show and ended up winning it. She is not working as an (ice) dancer now.
 * 3. Krystal does not play piano professionally in f(x). Playing the instrument once or twice on a variety show/music show does not count.
 * 4. Her real occupation is being a member of the girl group f(x) and an actress.
 * Hope this addresses your concern on why I reverted your edits. Thank you very much.--TerryAlex (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Girls' Generation all-kill and reality show
Hi, I noticed that we had some confusion about information I posted to the SNSD page. The all-kill occurred with #1 on Melon, Mnet, Bugs, Olleh Music, Genie, Naver, Soribada, and Monkey3, so this is an actual all-kill, not #1 on a single chart like you described. I'm going to add that back since it is factual, but I wanted to communicate with you first so it didn't seem like I was starting an edit war. Also, I don't understand why you removed information about the upcoming reality show. Is there a standard I don't know about for adding that kind of information to the History section? Katzenlibrary (talk) 22:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear ,
 * 1. The Melon, Genie, etc are all single-vendor charts and should not be documented on Wikipedia. Please refer to WP:Charts and there was a discussion here regarding this topic Discussion.
 * 2. The Variety show has not been aired yet (please refer to WP:Crystal ball), and unless there is something worth talking about (maybe the members might talk about something that would be worth a mention in the main Girls' Generation article). Otherwise, I think it will only need to be added into the Filmography article.
 * 3. Bottom line, please wait until the Gaon chart comes out. Thanks. :) --TerryAlex (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree about the reality show. That's probably a better place for it, and I've already added it to the Videography page. I'm still a bit hung up on this all-kill question, though. Although they are single-vendor charts, the achievement of topping all of them is extremely relevant to the Kpop world, since it is a testament to the success of the release and artist. Reliable news sites often dedicate an entire article to a group's all-kill(s) – it's an impressive feat worth noting. I checked out the source you sent and it does prohibit single-vendor charts, but only as a reference for discography tables or individually in prose. However, noting an all-kill isn't the same as saying "reached #1 on Melon." I'll certainly wait for Gaon for the discography table, since that's the accepted chart, but I feel that the all-kill is worth inclusion in the prose. Katzenlibrary (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:CHART lists charts that are recommended for inclusion in both article prose and discography tables. Instiz iChart / all-kills is not on the list. Feel free to start a discussion on Wikipedia talk:Record charts if you think it should be on the list, or want more opinions. Random86 (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a good point! So, what about the article? If the article talks about a group being #1 on all charts, is it still inadmissible? Katzenlibrary (talk) 02:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm assuming you are talking about news articles? News articles mention iTunes charts all the time, but those aren't acceptable on Wikipedia either. If you meant Wikipedia articles, the answer is still yes because they are single-vendor charts. Random86 (talk) 03:51, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, news articles. Interesting input. Thanks, I'll be thinking about that! Katzenlibrary (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Just a thought: (Correct me if I'm wrong) Melon, Genie, etc are all the Korean-equivalent of the US iTunes. One minute, a song can shoot up to the rooftop, while the next minute, it might sink down to the bottom. Thus, it is considered as unreliable. Achieving an “all-kill”, to me, is not so much about achievement, but rather about the perfect timing. A song not achieving all-kill does not make it a bad song. I know as Kpop fans, we take a lot of pride in that kind of stuff, it's a fandom thing, and it certainly counts a lot towards those music show points (so do go vote and stream for your favorite Kpop artists). But looking at a larger context, it seems like only fans care about them (all kill and the total number music shows wins) while the general public does not seem to care so much. Gaon chart, and the like, take into account various things and is considered more suitable to be mentioned on Wikipedia.--TerryAlex (talk) 17:32, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * , I totally agree with what you're saying. To clarify: I'm not suggesting including all-kill information because it satisfies me as a k-pop fan. I was just under the impression that it was a bigger deal than it actually is, so it seemed suitable for inclusion. I'm all for weighing what information is suitable and what information isn't (even though as a fan I might want to include it). I think discussions like this help identify which info is relevant according to the industry and social climate, so thanks. :) Katzenlibrary (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Apink#Articles recreated by SkateABaround for Park Cho-rong, Yoon Bo-mi & Son Na-eun
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Apink. Thanks. Edward (talk) 07:06, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Kpop Members Info
Hey, I got a question about the inclusion of birthdays for members on Kpop group articles. I remember we had an unofficial format going after a discussion, but I'm having trouble locating where the discussion is. Do you happen to remember? Thanks Asdklf&#59; (talk) 02:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What format are you referring to?--TerryAlex (talk) 04:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Girls' Generation and Promotional singles
Hello TerryAlex! AllKpop is unacceptable, I accept you. If I change to local news agency about Mwave (Mnet (TV channel)), You will be accept or not. For Japanese Promotional singles, I argument. I search from offical website, Universal-music.co.jp that is real offical news from Japan label and from Recochoku that is seem itunes distribute song countdown to album release programs that is called Promo single. Exceptly, "Time Machine" was released as promo single to radio stations which was appeared on Billboard Japan, Radio songs chart and Japan Hot 100 March 12, 2012 on No.9. Chinese promo single, "Find Your Soul" was also released distributed for free to promote the game, Blade & Soul. I hope you will agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjoyso (talk • contribs) 04:53, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear, I cannot completely understand what you are saying. Sorry about that. Here is my question to you: I really don't see why we need to separate the section. They are all "promotional" singles to me.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Promotional single isn't official single. Official single is a song from the album that has music video, promoting on music show and enter to high chart positions. So it should separate the section because the promotional single is just song to try to convince the listener to buy the album or advertise some products. Beside, It has lower price than official single (official single such as "Party" price is 1.99 USD but "Chocolate Love" price is 0.99 USD on itunes). For Japan, the official single released as physically, CD single but some digitally format released by Recochoku and Itunes before one a week to release official album that indicates to Promo single. Sorry about that you do not understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjoyso (talk • contribs) 08:50, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * With the way K-pop operates, I just find it hard to distinguish that at times. "Chocolate Love", "Time Machine", "Indestructible" and "Divine", etc. all had their music videos. "Catch Me If You Can" was not promoted on any Korean nor Japanese music shows, but it was still an "official" single. Big Bang is not promoting their two latest official singles, "If You" and "Sober", on any music shows either. and, what do you think about this? --TerryAlex (talk) 14:51, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh, I didn't get a notification for this either. I think "promotional single" has a different meaning in Korea. It just means singles that are promoted (e.g. on music shows), as can be seen from these Mnet articles:, , . I'm going to ping again just in case he didn't see this. Random86 (talk) 06:01, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

To me some songs added in this old version could be included in the section "Promotional singles" (ex. "Divine" and "Indestructible", which were made available on pre-ordering of The Best, "My Oh My" was released digitally in Japan). And the rest: "Chocolate Love" and "Visual Dreams" somewhat cannot be identified as promotional singles as they are released individually on music retailers. Simon (talk) 09:04, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. I will add only Japanese promo single. If it is incorrect, they will discuss again.

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Featured list candidates/T-ara discography/archive1
Would you mind leaving some comments please? Thanks! Simon (talk) 06:26, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, just wondering if you know there is anyways we can verify the Japanese/Oricon sales number? I know some have ranking.oricon.jp for the references, but sometimes I'm just confused on where those numbers come from. I'm not just talking about Tara discography page, but I also looked at GG discography recently and saw the same thing.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, as Oricon sources are fragile I think we should include archiveurls as well. Thanks for reminding, I'm checking the sources at T-ara discography. Simon (talk) 09:07, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I am concerned the Oricon sources are still good and have no problems. Simon (talk) 09:15, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , I find it quite hard to keep track of the sales numbers, I guess we are aware not every K-pop sales number is up-to-date on Wikipedia, or they are up-to-date but but there aren't any sources lying around to confirm them, accept for maybe OneHallyu, which isn't considered to be a RS. What do you think about this?
 * Back to Tara's discography, I think you should elaborate a bit more about the last 3 EPs that they released. As far as I'm concerned, they ranked quite high on the Gaon chart so there should be an indication of that. It looks incomplete to me to end the paragraph with "The group has released three further EPs, Again, And & End, and So Good from 2013 to 2015". --TerryAlex (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sales are not required to be up to date I think. Several artists' discographies do not have the latest sales figures up to 2016, some of them even date back to 2009 or earlier. About their 3 latest EPs, I'm considering expanding it. Thanks! Simon (talk) 15:42, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have trimmed the lead a bit. Their latest 3 EPs have been added their positions of the Gaon but I did not add too much information as they do not contribute much to T-ara's career like their previous releases. Simon (talk) 05:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

, I went through the references:
 * Reissues: No chart position reference for Mirage
 * Singles: I see a reference for "Log In" under Korean Hot 100, but that song was not included as a part of the overall chart
 * Promotional singles & Collaboration singles: you should clean up the references under Korean Billboard, since many of those don't apply
 * Other charted song: Gaon - no references for "Hurt" and "Don't Get Married", Korean Billboard chart also has many redundant references that don't apply.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up a bit. Added source for Mirage position. "Hue" and "Love Game" should have Billboard positions when registered. Thanks so much! Simon (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know about formatting so can't comment on that, but the content looks good to me.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Are there any concern left? Simon (talk) 10:18, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No concern left for me :)--TerryAlex (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
 * So would you mind voicing your support? =) It's been nearly a month and there are no comments lately... Simon (talk) 08:49, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , I reread the lead paragraphs, though the last 3 EPs only managed modest success, is there really nothing else to say? Maybe you can mention the single "Number 9" reaching top 5.--TerryAlex (talk) 05:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Girls' Generation for GA
Hi, I'm thinking of promoting Girls' Generation article to GA status. It would be great if we work together on the article. Btw, inviting Random86 or anyone who is interested would be superb. What do you think? Simon (talk) 09:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , absolutely. If there is anything I can do, I will help. I have always had the intention to get GG article to Good article status someday, but I was so (and still am) inexperienced as an Wikipedian that I did not know how to start it. Instead, I resided to work on the members' article first. You have been doing a great job on the article lately.--TerryAlex (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, should we have a short "Fandom" section like Big Bang? I gathered some sources that mention the group's fandom name or Girls' Generation slogan, but don't know if we should utilize them (my sandbox).
 * , I always ask for your help in looking things over for me. Please look over the article and give your input and suggestions as well.--TerryAlex (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * , I think it would be great to state that GG has won several awards at Japan Gold Disc Award (since that is a major music award), but not sure how to group the awards together to make the sentence succinct, can you help with that? Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm going through the article now, and I think it's in great shape so far. Random86 (talk) 05:55, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Something for you!
Simon (talk) 05:39, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much ! Did not expect this at all. I'm always happy to help in any way I can. Really love how the article is looking now.--TerryAlex (talk) 06:06, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Korean sources needing translation
Hey, Terry. You know anyone who is Korean or learns Korean? We need to translate some sources to improve Girls' Generation or any other artists articles. Like this one for example. Simon (talk) 10:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, hopefully these can be helpful
 * Albums: Lion Heart Mr.Mr I Got a Boy The Boys Hoot Run Devil Run Repackaged Gee


 * Title Tracks: "Lion Heart" "Party" "Catch Me If You Can" "Run Devil Run" "Oh!" "Genie" "Gee"


 * TTS: Dear Santa Holler "Twinkle"


 * Taeyeon: I "I"

--TerryAlex (talk) 04:55, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but unfortunately I can't gain access to such sites owing to what is referred to as "security reasons" when I clicked on them. — Simon (talk) 13:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, I made minor changes to Tiffany Hwang and Jessica Jung articles (adding their nationalities as both South Korean and American). Thinking back, I thought that they were clueless as I couldn't find any sources regarding their actual nationalities. Could you help me out with this? Simon (talk) 13:00, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I had the site on "private" without knowing, I think you should be able to view the site entirely now. Let me know if there is still any problems. Regarding their nationality, this is just my assumption, but I think they are both American. I believe South Korea previously did not allow dual nationality, they have changed the law now for certain circumstances, but in Tiffany and Jessica's case, I think they don't have dual nationality. Most articles refer to them as either "American" or "Korean-American", but I'm not sure which term is more correct? --TerryAlex (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

GANs for "Mr.Mr." and "CMIYC"
Hey, TerryAlex. I wonder if you can do me a favour? As I am extremely busy with my real-life projects regarding my assignments at work, I am unable to address the issues at Talk:Mr.Mr. (song)/GA1 and Talk:Catch Me If You Can (Girls' Generation song)/GA1, therefore I entrust you to take the two GANs. Much appreciated, Simon (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
 * , it took me a bit of time to complete, congratulations!--TerryAlex (talk) 07:01, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Mr.Mr. (song)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Party / Lion Heart CD
Hey, I was wondering if you have the CD for either "Party" or Lion Heart. Ideally, the articles should have a credits/personnel section, and the one on Lion Heart (album) doesn't look complete. I tried searching for scans or a digital booklet but couldn't find anything. Random86 (talk) 01:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * , I do have Lion Heart (not "Party"), I'll update it soon (I won't have much access to a computer until a couple more days).--TerryAlex (talk) 22:05, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Catch Me If You Can (Girls' Generation song)
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Message
Hi! Why are you changing? YoonGd (talk) 19:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, as I stated in the summary edit, I don't think those awards were awarded for "The K2" drama, especially the Swan Best Dressed. The other one 8th Busan International Advertising Festival, [edit] you provided the wrong citation for it, I believe (I apologize for the wrong edit summary comment). Thanks!--TerryAlex (talk) 20:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi TerryAlex! If Yoona were not playing in the "THE K2", she would not be able to win these prizes. YoonGd (talk) 16:54, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yoona could no be a candidate for "Most Popular Actress"... YoonGd (talk) 16:56, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, although "The K2" is Yoona's work in 2016, but the awards don't necessary have to be given out based on any specific dramas/work. It can just be based on her overall image/popularity as well, which I think is the case here. Thank you. --TerryAlex (talk) 06:49, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If she could have been a candidate without a series then she would have been nominated for the "Baeksang Art Awards"! YoonGd (talk) 09:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * She had not been a candidate since 2013 because she did not film series or film in Korea. However, after winning THE K2, she was nominated and won a prize. YoonGd (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is no doubt that she might have been nominated for these awards because of her participation in The K2. But the awards don't have to be correlated with the drama directly. They can just be based on her overall image/popularity. Thus, we don't hear any mentions of the drama during the award ceremonies. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This idea belongs to you. Ji Chang Wook's award table says "THE K2". I hope you give importance to others thoughts without considering your own thinking. Thank you for speaking to me if our ideas are different. YoonGd (talk) 16:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please show me where specifically during the award ceremonies where they mentioned the name of The K2 drama. Then feel free to change it then. Please don't point to Ji Chang-wook article as an example, because there are a lot of unsourced stuff lying around in K-pop/Korean-related articles. I've been contributing a lot to YoonA as well as other SNSD's related articles. Of course, as someone who admires SNSD as a group, I want YoonA and SNSD's articles to be as accurate as possible. I don't always make the perfect edits and I don't own any of these articles, but I can't just ignore things being added/removed without the accuracy. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 16:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have posted this discussion link on YoonA's talk page, so other experienced editors can voice their opinions regarding the issue. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 18:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding to your concern and your interest in me. I hope SNSD has more activity and the page gets bigger. Thank you. YoonGd (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It would also be nice if you could open a page for "Confidential Assignment". Thank you. YoonGd (talk) 20:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Girls' Generation

 * Hi, thanks so much for the review! :D--TerryAlex (talk) 15:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Girls' Generation
Omg, it's a GA now! We've did it! Yay! — Simon (talk) 10:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * , finally! I'm so happy! Thanks so much for all the hard work, buddy! :)--TerryAlex (talk) 15:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that it's got to GA, do you think of any fact to get it promoted on DYK? Also, the article Girls' Generation received approximately 1.2 million annual clicks, do you consider that we get included at the Million Award? — Simon (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have not done a DYK myself yet so let me reread the article and I'll see what facts stand out to me the most. And the stats link keeps on giving me an internal server error for some reason. I'll be looking into it as well...Happy New Year to you!--TerryAlex (talk) 06:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Message 2
hi, why undo my edit? Is correct. u just make wiki less informative. yoona DID made guest appearance in stated episode in my edit. feel free to check. why u undo correct information? U don't like running man? O_O curious and curious-er Bluegal01 (talk)
 * I have no reason to like or not like Running Man. I'm well-aware that YoonA did guested on the show on a few occasions. However, Wikipedia is a encyclopedia, and not a collection of information/resume. Korean pop stars tend to appear in variety shows many times per year. Unless there is something notable or significant about a particular appearance, which can be discussed in the main body as a sourced prose, it is not encyclopedic to list every single one of those appearances on here. This topic was discussed on her talk page. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ah its alright then normally i find actors or actress i like after finishing a drama to stalk them on guest appearance too. just right i found out that she looked familiar and realised she was in RM episodes so i added in case other people like me like to wiki stalk and find out information. guessed the next time i stop by ill probably already forgot about it its ok. i can watch other stars in RM episodes with information on the wiki or i see on google HAHA ill just skip her out then. Many stars have their fully listed including cameo. I prefer stalking them then~ If fans of yoona hate seeing too much information its alright then ill just say byebye due to less informative to stalk-hunt shows... i have my own opinions and will not disturb you guys.
 * i'll just continue stalking stars with more information =p i mean if i cant find information then no point of me staying here LOL ill go stalk IU now with better variety column. CHEERS Bluegal01 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:05, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Please focus on expanding their life/career instead of these trivial guest appearances that won't matter much in the long run. Thank you.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year TerryAlex!
Happy New Year! Hello TerryAlex: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Simon (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, may I ask if you can check Template:Infobox K-pop artist awards, apparantly something has gone wrong when the customs awards were added to the list, it is showing as "{{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:|" below the image of the artist, like on List of awards and nominations received by Girls' Generation even though the code is exactly the same as before in awards section like MAMA, GDA etc, I checked on Template:Infobox musician awards and it looks the same (I will add every single award so the custom list will not be needed on awards articles), cheers 86.58.36.145 (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, you dont need to waste your time with this since the template is somehow broken, and actually I think its better to manually add awards to infobox with "custom" parameter because otherwise they are not sorted alphabetically, American artists which are featured lists are using this format too, like List of awards and nominations received by Adele, I think the SNSD awards page could become a featured list with just a little bit of work (adding remaining few sources and a little bit better and expanded lead section), it would be good since the main article is now "good article" and discography is also already featured list 86.58.36.145 (talk) 20:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I just added a couple of awards onto the template and I think that "{{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:| {{#if:|" did not show up anymore? Regarding the featured list, we need sources for those nominations and Korean media never seem to report on the full list of nominations for any of these awards? Let me know if you have any ideas? Thanks.--TerryAlex (talk) 20:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I dont know what exactly have you done but now it works, I added exactly the same code and it displayed those "#if"'s at page preview. You are right, its hart to find sources for nominations, I thought it would be easier, awards like MAMA, GDA, Melon etc. are easier to source but some others are not. 86.58.36.145 (talk) 21:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that you or someone put ||| instead of just one |, so perhaps that was the coding error. Oh btw, just a suggestion but if you have any plans of staying on Wikipedia for a long-term, consider making a username. Hope to see you around :)--TerryAlex (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I will create an account soon to avoid being reverted all the time, because people see an IP account and automatically assume that it is a vandalism. Regarding rewards, do you think that weekly "Melon Popularity" award is notable to be included in infobox? Like this http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/211379/20150618/big-bang-5-crown-on-melon-music-chart.htm ? 86.58.36.145 (talk) 12:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, if it is a yearly award, I would say yes, but if it's some sort of short-term popularity award from a single-vendor charts like Melon, tbh, I really doubt its notability. By the way, because Melon, Genie, Bug, etc are single-vendor charts, they are not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Hanteo is not either, only Gaon chart is. If you see stuff like "Song XYZ has claimed the number one spot on several music charts like Melon, Genie, etc.", those should be automatically taken out.--TerryAlex (talk) 22:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for note, I didnt know that and will watch closer for other charts, I asked about popularity because some bigbang fanboy (or fangirl) is keep adding it back to the awards section of the group, but since apparently they get a trophy for it and Korean news actually mention it occasionally its probably okay to include it as the people would add it back anyway, it looks like the more "soompi awards" etc. we remove the more fanboys appear and add it back 86.58.36.145 (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

FAC: House of Music
Hello. Would you care to review or comment at my nomination of House of Music for featured status? The previous nomination did not gather enough commentary, so anything at all would be appreciated. Dan56 (talk) 23:13, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Million Award
Just to notice you, we have been honored at the Million Award Hall of Fame for bringing Girls' Generation to GA! Congrats us! — Simon (talk) 04:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

New GG article
I just found out a quite good article regarding Girls' Generation (http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2017/01/16/2017011603209.html) but I can't translate it. — Simon (talk) 12:59, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * , here is the translation :) --TerryAlex (talk) 03:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Girls' Generation
 Schwede 66  12:01, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Cho Yoon-sun
--Bejnar (talk) 20:16, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Need help...
Hi, need help on the page of Nam Joo-hyuk and Ryu Jun-yeol. An IP user is removing award nominations from said page, claiming its unsourced. But from what I see, the nominees are already listed on the award page itself with sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:E800:E610:1D5:E817:CD4A:A8F8:65E (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Move request - could you take a look?
Hi TerryAlex, I requested to move the page "Im Yoon-ah" to "Lim Yoon-ah" here. Could you take a look and offer your opinion on it?

Please read all that I've written, including my replies to Snowflake91's opposition, and all the evidence I provided in support of this move.

Thank you very much! GeT RiGhT (talk) 01:01, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Loveppears by Ayumi Hamasaki
Hi there. I know you usually are aware of the asian articles on wiki. The user who nominated aforementioned article for GA status seems to be MIA, do you think you could handle it? I know very little so I only addressed the basic comments. 

Thank You. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:41, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I definitely wouldn't mind helping out, but I'm more knowledgeable about K-pop, and don't follow J-pop at all. I can help with some minor issues, but am afraid I don't have the resources for missing citations, etc.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Why (Taeyeon song)
Hello! Your submission of Why (Taeyeon song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
 * TerryAlex, it's been a week and you haven't yet responded to this. You'll need to do so soon if you wish to continue pursuing the nomination: the hooks have run into trouble because they are not supported by the sourcing, which means either than a new reliable source needs to be found that does, or a new hook that doesn't involve the unsupported facts needs to be proposed. I hope we hear from you soon; you have edited since the original message was posted here, so that means you should have seen it. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested input
Hello, I frequently see you contribute to articles listed in WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and would very much appreciate your input on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture so that a conclusion towards variety show appearances can be made. Thanks. Abdotorg (talk) 18:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

If you agree, can you delete the part of Seohyun's Wikipedia (4 places below)?
I would like to trust you. If you agree, can you delete the part of Seohyun's Wikipedia (4 places below)? I'm a big fan of Seohyun and SNSD for 10 years. However, if we delete them, there are one or two specific persons to be undone. I thought you were also trusted by those people. (1) "fierce voice" → Please see attached document. I do not know whether it is intentional, but I think that it is a mistake caused by translation. If you read the whole sentence, even if there are similar words, that is not an important part. (2) "clumsy" → Please see the attached document.I can not find where it was mentioned. (3) "she rejected casting offer because she felt unprepared." → Please see the attached document.I can not find where it was mentioned. (4) "and traditional Korean drums in her early childhood. She also learned horseback riding and skating as a child." → I can not find where it was mentioned. We understand that she has experienced various kinds of lessons. However, she was particularly passionate about piano and ballet. I think that other lessons were not so important for her. that's all. Please consider. I'm sorry to trouble you. you do not need to hurry.--Mrorakigoritar (talk) 01:26 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Contrary to your thinking, any editor can edit on Wikipedia, it is not a privilege for me or anyone in particular. We are a community here. However, make sure your edits are not disruptive, helpful and are meant to improve those articles. Now, to address your concerns:


 * (1) https://snsdwikipedia.wordpress.com/2017/10/16/reviewgone-with-the-wind-actor-seohyuns-potential-osen/


 * (2) https://snsdwikipedia.wordpress.com/2016/12/18/review-enthusiasm-of-snsds-seohyun-reborn-as-a-musical-actress-musical-gone-with-the-wind-chosun/


 * Note: both of the translations for the two articles above were translated by a trustworthy fan of the group, so the translations should be correct


 * (3) She said it here http://www.playdb.co.kr/magazine/magazine_temp_view.asp?kindno=1&no=400 (again there should be a translation somewhere, but I cannot find it now)


 * (4) the original Korean article is now a broken link, but if you google up the title of the article, this should come up and it was written in there http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=pah1202&logNo=40128616290&parentCategoryNo=&categoryNo=48&viewDate=&isShowPopularPosts=false&from=postView


 * Of course, since the original articles are in Korean, variations of English words (translation) could have been used. However, I believe it shouldn't stray away from the original meanings of the writer. Now, I've noticed that perhaps, you want to delete these contents as you find them to have a "negative" tone towards Seohyun. On the contrary, it does not. The current context of the article explains a brief history of her career so far and looks decently-written overall. And I don't see any reason to have it taken out. Thank you. :)--TerryAlex (talk) 03:13, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you. You will find out what you do not have attached material later on. I expect it. However, I feel that the translator (who you call "a trustworthy fan of the group") has no positive view on Seohyun. However, more than half of the fans in this group are fans of Taeyeon and Yoona. Seohyun and other members are also very popular, but many of the people who have power at the group's fan base are fans of Taeyeon, Yoona or Tiffany.The most troubling thing is that Seohyun 's anti is in them. I spent ten years feeling the regrettable facts from time to time. For example, this sentence(1) "앙칼진 목소리로 도도한 스칼렛 오하라를 표현했고, 깨끗한 목소리가 역할과 잘 어울렸다. 무엇보다 서현의 가창력도 기대 이상이었다. 파워풀하지는 않았지만 소녀처럼 순수했고, 때로는 강인하며 날카로웠다."  In this, "beautiful voice" "pure" "singing ability is more than expected", but the translator (who you call "a trustworthy fan of the group") picked up only "fierce voice".  As this world is The law of the jungle, I have given up giving it up for years. They do not have to like Seohyun. I am sad about it all the time,but, someday, I hope they will release the freedom of some fans of Seohyun. Seohyun and the fans of her will continue to love All members and the fans of Girls' Generation forever. Thank you as always.--Mrorakigoritar (talk) 04:14 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, don't be negative, Wikipedia is not a place for antis or anything. Everyone is welcome to contribute on here. Keep this in mind, if a disruptive/untruthful edit is being made on Wikipedia, be assure that it will be reverted right back, by the fellow Wikipedia editors (like you and me). By the way, I think the translation to the above sentence you mentioned is here "More than anything, Seohyun’s singing surpassed expectations. It wasn’t powerful but it was pure like a girl, while also robust and sharp". The translators only translated the context of the original articles, don't worry, I don't think they (or any editors here) have any negative views on Seohyun. Keep this in mind, not every "negative" information is bad. On the contrary, it might be able to show someone's growth as an artist. The important and hard part about writing biography is to illustrate it as truthful/unbiased as possible. We have to illustrate both the negative and positive light. I am still learning how to do this properly as a Wikipedia editor everyday. :)
 * Side note: I see that you don't sign your post properly. After you type your message, look up to the top left part of the message window, there should be a "pencil" icon, click on it to sign your name and timestamp. Hope to see you around :) --TerryAlex (talk) 04:47, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I and you seem to have different views, but I would like to make an effort to accept that different view. The fact is that in Seohyun's wikipedia, we have little freedom and authority. The strange thing about Seohyun's wikipedia is that they(and you) are picking up some of the sentences of one to three critics with prejudice, although they(and you) do not post the date of the action she actually did (For example,No Encore Concert date). By the way,【Snowflake 91】 does not give us more freedom and authority than you. Our writing will be deleted quickly. Our deletion will be restored to haste. It is iteration. But, Snowflake 91 seems to have power with wikipedia. I did not know beforehand that wikipedia has not been given such freedom and authority. It is a sad reality.  However, I pray for Seohyun, Girls' Generation, you and [Snowflake 91] happiness. -- Mrorakigoritar (talk) 05:53 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If you read carefully, the overall reviews of her musical performances give her good/positive compliments. And it does reflect on her current Wikipedia article right now, just because there are a couple of seemingly "negative" words, it does not mean that it is prejudice. Basically, the context from a reliable source(s) is being incorporated into her article. It basically says" Although she is clumsy on some part, she is still doing her part/role very well". This is positive, not negative. You have to read it from a larger context, not dwelling on only a couple of words.
 * Other Wikipedia editors aren't refraining you from your freedom to edit on here, but if your sole purpose is to take out something because you think it is "negative" to your favorite artist, then that is a biased view, and in turns, your edits become disruptive and not helpful. Wikipedia is not about a fanpage, where we include only the "praises" and every little details like concert dates and what is her favorite T-shirt during the summer. Wikipedia biography is about picking out the most important parts/events about someone's career, and write it in a most succinct and unbiased way to illustrate their legacy (using third party reliable sources). It is about neutral tone and balance. We have to have the mindset "What is the most important things for people to read and know about Seohyun, 100 years from now?". We have to shift out thinking from being a fan to an encyclopedia editor.--TerryAlex (talk) 15:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

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Why did you remove my edits on Jonathan Sacks. They are factual so what was the reason? Johnno ..holl (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello, whether true or not, information like "Favorite Grandchild" isn't encyclopedic content. Thanks!--TerryAlex (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right ;). Sorry, couldn't resist although as a grandchild myself I can assure you he has 10 grandchildren. Do you think we could put this information up at least or 'several grandchildren' perhaps specifying my name. Thanks and sorry for wasting your time. Elisha White (boy) Johnno ..holl (talk) 20:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. I noticed you just reverted some vandalism at Death by Burning. Looks like there is more but I'm not sure what the original wording was. See the "Side effects" section where this nonsense has appeared: "Shrinkage and contraction of the muscles may cause joints to flex and the body to adopt a child called Bob (boxer stance), with the elbows and knees flexed and the fists spread out and then their balls got burned so bad that they screamed." I don't know if you have the ability to lock the article to edits, but it might be necessary. I hope this is of interest. 23skidoo (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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