User talk:Tewapack/Archive 15

Espirito Santo Tr
Creating the women's worlds t'ments has raised questions conc. female players names. Early t'ment results sometimes states "Mrs" followed by husbands first and last name. Some players are named their birth last name and in later t'ments their married last name. (For example Anne Quast played under four diff. names.)

I think; players with a link to an own article, no problem, use the name used at the time (like Liv Forsell 1964-1970, Liv Wollin 1972-1980).

Players without a link; Avoid "Mrs" and husbands first name if possible. Note both last names, before and after marriage, to make it possible to follow it's the same player in diff. years. Ok? EEJB (talk) 16:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with most of this but pre-married women should not be listed with their eventual married name. Tewapack (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

And what about Korean and Chinese names? Ryu So-yeon or So Yeon Ryu or something else? Sometimes they want to be known as I.K. Kim, Grace Park or Amy Yang, then it's easy. But the others? Result reports are not always consequent.


 * See WP:NCKOREAN and WP:NC-CHINA. Tewapack (talk) 17:58, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. May I ask for a template with each year of the Espirito Santo Trophy tournaments on each article?


 * Created and added to each year and main article. Tewapack (talk) 00:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I just came to this talk page out of curiosity, noticing the recent edit to Poppy Wingate, and saw this item about women's names: I'd remind everyone concerned that with all biographical articles, but especially women, it's important to provide a redirect from every name by which they were ever known and all reasonable variations! So we have redirects from Hannah Sophia Wingate, Poppy Eadie, Poppy Hinchcliffe and Lady Hinchcliffe for this twice-married lady known by a nickname, just to be on the safe side.  Pam  D  16:21, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Tiger Woods/ General Reults in Majors
Two things, first for early golfers, the order of these changed often. Results are still reported by year by "decades." Having early 21st century golfers listed reults with 2019 "out of order" would not be inconsistent.

Regardless, you treat 2020 differently as the order was not normal anyway.

Kevinskogg (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * This was discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf/Archive 6 with the consensus to start a new table beginning in 2019. 2020 order is being treated as an aberration with an appropriate note. Tewapack (talk) 17:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, the choice is inconsistent as it doesn't match the earlier male results but that was your choice I guess.  Thank you for the information!  BTW It might have been helpful to mention the discussion when you did the revision.
 * Kevinskogg (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Barry Vivian's OWGR link
You changed his OWGR link in "External links" but it wasn't correctly done. If you could correct it that would be great.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:11, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

European Challenge Tour
As far as I've found, the Challenge Tour started in 1989 with its Order of Merit. In 1986 the national tours of Sweden, France and Italy became open to foreign players, ( https://alpstourgolf.com/about-us/ ) but it became a tour in 1989, covering several countries, and it was called the Challenge Tour at the beginning of 1989, but maybe officially named the Challenge Tour in late 1989 ( http://www.e-magin.se/paper/08tbtd6q/paper/123#/paper/08tbtd6q/122 ) ( http://www.e-magin.se/paper/08tbtd6q/paper/159#/paper/08tbtd6q/159 ) ( http://www.e-magin.se/paper/j0btbf03/paper/1#/paper/pr35c39r/70 )

If my observations are correct, the template should be expanded to 1989 and the history description corrected. Regards/EEJB


 * I'd suggest a post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Golf with your findings to reach a larger audience. Tewapack (talk) 00:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

centering rows for q-school info
I just created a bunch of pages for all of the q-schools between 1965 and 1989. It sounds simple but I am having much trouble centering information in the first column (where the players' placing is). Other than the first row it is left-indented. Do you know how to change the indent?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 08:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * I just edit the wiki text. I don't use the visual editor. Tewapack (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:4TeamBracket-with 3rd-NoSeeds
Template:4TeamBracket-with 3rd-NoSeeds has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 19:54, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

European Amateur Team Championship
Hello. May I ask for a template with each year of the European Amateur Team Championship tournaments on each article? Just as with the Espirito Santo tournaments. EEJB (talk) 21:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Done Tewapack (talk) 21:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Great!

Helping me also with a template with each year of the European Ladies' Team Championship? Thanks in advance. EEJB Thank you. Now I've some work to do. :-) EEJB (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Michael Campbell PGA Tour
If Campbell was never a member of the PGA Tour, then why is (n/a) not a factor on the 2005 PGA Tour page? Surely it's standard procedure and consistent when non-European Tour members win on the ET on their season pages? Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The PGA Tour pages, unlike the ET pages, have never distinguish members from non-members. Tewapack (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah true, but I would say that's probably because every player who's won the PGA Tour has either been a member or became a member soon after their win e.g. Garrick Higgo of recent. I would suspect Michael Campbell would be one of the very few exceptions. Jimmymci234 (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Jimmymci234,


 * Just came across this... Just wondering, how do you know Campbell never became a member? The PGA Tour has a whole site for him. Not saying this guarantees he was a member but maybe. In addition, he played at least 10 events a year on the PGA Tour several times...


 * But if Campbell never became a member I think we should be consistent just include the (n/a) next to his win total. Thank you for spotting this.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly


 * Hi Oog, I suppose it would be hard to find something that says in black and white that Campbell was never a PGA Tour member. Although, when I went through his results on his PGA Tour profile, the only events he played were the majors, WGCs and invitational events i.e The Players, Bay Hill (which are open to non-PGA Tour members as long as they are eligible). Even after 2005 it was a very seldom amount of events he played in USA. If he was a member there would definitely have been more regular tour events he would have played in, in order to keep his card. Hopefully that makes some sort of sense. Thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Jimmymci234,


 * Thank you for the response. Yes, it looks like Campbell was never a PGA Tour member. I think we should just put (n/a) next to his name in the 2005 PGA Tour calendar.


 * In addition, I think there are other golfers like this. Ian Woosnam comes to mind. He won two events on the 1991 PGA Tour however I don't think he ever became a member. He never played more than eight events a year. Also, I think I noticed on someone's sandbox page that even a couple years after winning the 1991 Masters Tournament (which then gave a ten-year-exemption) he still refused membership. I think it was on the page of Jopal22 or Wjemather. Any clarification would be helpful.


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * Yeah you’re probably right Oogly. I think it may be the same case for Seve Ballesteros. Back then it was not very common for Europeans to play more of their golf in the States, they all played full time on the ET, so subsequently would’ve never taken up PGA Tour membership (how times have changed!) Even Martin Kaymer didn’t take up PGA Tour membership when he originally won the 2010 PGA, it was only a number of years later when he decided to move across to the States. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey, I wanted to respond to this. Ballesteros briefly did join the PGA Tour. I actually put this information on his PGA Tour page a couple years ago. He joined for the the 1984 and 1985 seasons. I am almost positive that the other three guys (Faldo, Lyle, Langer) from Europe's "Big 5" of the era joined the PGA Tour, at least briefly.


 * Otherwise, I can't think of any other international players who won on tour and never joined. Can you?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly


 * As I stated above, the PGA Tour season pages have never had (n/a) for non-members. I see no reason to change this. The number reflects how many PGA Tour events they won, regardless of membership status. Tewapack (talk) 18:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Brad Faxon's political information
I noticed that you recently deleted information I published concerning the political donations of Brad Faxon. You labeled it as "trivia." I also noticed you've done this with other related posts. Just wondering but why? Are there wiki rules related to this I should know about?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * The fact that Faxon has donated money to a few political candidates is trivia and not worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. Tewapack (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I agree with Tewapack....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Tewapack and ...William,


 * Look, I won't change your edits. But just wondering but when can we include information about the political orientation of a golfer? If it is mentioned in an article by a reliable third-party source (e.g. Sports Illustrated) then can we use it? And if it is mentioned exclusively in DonorsLookup is that not ok? Just looking for some clarification.


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 01:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I would say that for anyone not known for their politics/activism, such things need to be fairly widely covered (i.e. multiple intellectually independent reliable sources), and preferably over an extended period of time. wjematherplease leave a message... 07:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * David Duval's article has mention of his politics. It is referenced to two separate articles....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Barry Coxon citations
I am basically done with the page of Barry Coxon. However, I am having trouble with two of his citations. They are numbers #142 and #148 in the References section. I'm not sure how to fix them. Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Fixed. Tewapack (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Small font re no. of wins
I noticed that you undid the small font text on my Japan Golf Tour edits. I suppose it is within MOS:SMALLFONT, which is fair enough even though I would argue that it makes the tables look less neat. But my question is, are you willing to change this so that every golf page on here is reflective of that, rather than have some pages that are and some that aren't, which is ultimately inconsistent. Thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I’ll change them as I find but I won’t seek them out. Tewapack (talk) 18:08, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

At Your Leisure - Alternative Fed Ex Cup Top 30 Scenarios
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Disambiguation link notification for September 10
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Fredrik Andersson Hed
Of course you would shorten the quote in your edit summary, because the second part states: "By default, Wikipedia does not abbreviate dates". Nice try though. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:50, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Tour column
I can see where you're coming from re PGA Tour Latinoamerica abbreviation use in the tour column. However per discussion last year at WT:GOLF we decided that relpicating OWGR abbreviations made the most sense in relation to this. The abbreviation 'SAM' is also explained in the notes as well. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * There are already two non-OWGR abbreviations in the Tour column for that page (ARG and TLA). I see no reason to use SAM to stand for PGA Tour Latinoamerica when PTLA works. Tewapack (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Aye very good. Those tours didn’t feature on the OWGR so some abbreviation has to be used (happy to discuss those if you think something else would be better.) Don’t think it makes more sense to change to PTLA. More people will be familiar with SAM abbreviation as they would have seen it on the OWGR pages and it has simply been replicated here. Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

European Ladies' Team Champiponship
Thank you for some reviewing of my articles. I do my best with fact checking of all details, but the immediate Wikipedia review of each article does apparently not include any checking of golf facts.EEJB (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

By the way, should medals from European Amateur Championships and Espirito Santo Trophy and Eisenhower Trophy respectively be named under "Medals" in player article info boxes (like Mediterranean Games, Youth Olympic Games and Olympic Games)?EEJB (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd bring it up to the larger community at WT:GOLF, but my initial position would be no. Tewapack (talk) 16:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you för helping with all links. EEJB (talk) 19:45, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Mike Colandro citations
I am pretty much done with the page of Mike Colandro. There are a couple of OWGR citations that need to be fixed. They are #142 and #151 in the references section. If you could fix them that would be great.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly